I keep seeing this connection to Nipsey and the Dr Sebi doc floating around...and in the other thread there was some fuckery as soon as this was brought up...



What's the OKP consensus on Dr Sebi?

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The conspiracy theory that Nipsey’s tragic killing was the result of his involvement with a documentary about Dr. Sebi is the problem.

The scope of the documentary has not been divulged as far as I know. And I suspect that the young brother was not about to be out here taking on the U.S. government by implicating it in Dr. Sebi’s death.

Videos, of the shooting, have surfaced. That’s not enough though because folks are now asserting that the triggerman was a gov asset. Even seeing some say that the six shots had to have been from a trained Jason Bourne like assassin. Mofos are completely disregarding that the dude walked right up on Nipsey and hit him from close range. Again, the videos of the assault are out there.

Either way, Dr. Sebi’s influence on healthy living/eating is phenomenal. No issues with him.

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I agree that theres no conspiracy...which is why I made a separate thread...

It did seem though like the insinuation was that Sebi is a clown or some shit? I dunno, just wanted to start a separate thread so we can pay our respects to Nipsey and have a talk about Sebi separately...

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Doubt there will be a consensus....

Some will say he promoted a healthy lifestyle that was needed at a time when the information wasnt as obvious... veganism etc..

But dude said he cured AIDS (and beat the govt) viruses arent real, every ailment is caused by mucus imbalance and charged people a whole lotta money for cure-alls... we know none of this is true..

So depends on how deep you went with it..

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You just can't set up shop in the u.s. saying you can cure diseases. They'll shut you down. That's not a conspiracy.
Trump is our president and big pharma can operate without any culpability, so I really doubt the govt is on some assassination shit regarding a fruit and lettuce diet.
His cellfood diet contains many healthy foods but its kinda lacking in proteins. Most cardiac hospitals now are recommending plant based diets to their patients. Dr. Sebi's plan is just missing protein options like legumes and soy otherwise it's the same shit the Cleveland clinic hands out in their literature. Not exactly a conspiracy. Just don't say it cures cancer.

Also add pine nuts, hazel nuts, and tahini
These are all on his list of recommended foods, so what you're saying isn't true.
It is true however that he didn't value the concept of protein very much.

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Some people even have a hard time digesting them. They have 5x more fat than protein. Getting most of your calories from fats probably isn't going to make you feel your best. In nature how would you eat walnuts? You'd have to crack them open with a rock and it would take quite a bit of time to eat 20. They're not available but only for a few months out of the year. Fruits are the main source of calories on his diet. Easy digestion and available year round. So yeah, nuts do contain some protein but also are high in calories and fat. Not many people wanna eat 800 calories worth of nuts to get 18 grams of protein.

I would eat a cup or 2 a day when I first tried Paleo bc it seemed like a clean snack. I quickly learned why the serving sizes are usually so small.

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You also said nothing about garbanzo beans in your reply (which are legumes, but you said the diet didn't have those).
Also, you don't need a lot of nuts or nut butter because the protein is more easily absorbed than in meat... and since you're talking about having to crack open a nut, do you just eat meat conveniently without having to kill and cook it in nature? You out here eating raw rabbits like the tethered? You a beast, fam. Literally.

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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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Not many have the discipline to follow his recommended regimen strictly, so you have to take just about everyone's assessment of it with a grain of salt... sea salt, preferably lol. I appreciate his contribution to the conversation and his dedication to his people. His main purpose was to balance the acidic diets alotta ppl were eating in the 80s and 90s by introducing a unique take on alkaline foods. As most know, the ideal in bodily PH balance is somewhere near the middle of the scale (a 7 or so). His list of alkaline foods differs from every other one I've ever found, and is the truest one I've found as well. I've moved on from eating the diet strictly, but it's probably the single greatest health resource I've ever been blessed to come across.
That's my assessment, but I'm not the best representative of okp at large, as will probably be evident from the other replies in this post.

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I've never had aids, so I can't speak to that. As far as I understand tho, his healing for specific issues revolved more around a consultation and a personalized plan, while the diet was just for overall health. That's about as serious as I'm going to be with you tho, because you are truly a piece of shit who continues to approach me in an antagonistic manner for years at this point.

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it's not like it hasn't been debunked countless times.

Like I said tho, not alotta people have the discipline to stick with it or the knowledge to understand how to make it work for them. It's also important to look at the sources of this so-called "debunking." You know people debunking that your body has PH balance?

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Good job moving along

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But he helped some Erykah Badu fans eat kale, nor entirely a bad thing.

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dealing with AIDS, but he encouraged black people to eat better so he ain't all bad."




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On twitter now, cats are moving goalpost like shit when it comes to the HIV and cancer cure claims like

"but he singlehandedly made black people eat better didn't he?"
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but.....

Fuck aliens.

The same people talking about Willie Lynch and sharing Umar Johnson videos are caping for Dr. Sebi. A lot of people have been harmed by his claim that he could cure AIDS. That alone is enough for me to write him off.

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and i actually met with clients that would forego Rx treatment for natural remedies without their doctors.

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basically just fuck organic chemistry.

thats the only video ive ever seen of him and that was enough.

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he had some valid points.

Nipsey Hussle lived in a food desert. Imagine what getting ANY kind of knowledge would do to you/for you if you been livin on candy, slim jims and fast food, noodle pakcs and shit.

he was right about some shit and wrong about some shit, but as a street nxgga coming around to being woke, Im sure Nipsey was exceited to bring that knowledge to a greater audience.

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This was the perfect response. Sebi wasn’t always wrong and I do believe in different kinds of knowledge, but yeah, he took a lot of money and pushed falsehoods, too.

I had coined a phrase in my head called “hotep hood vegans” to describe the people from Nipsey’s demographic who fall prey to certain health gurus and documentaries and become annoying (see: What the Health) though affluent folks are vulnerable to this, too.

The fake deep hood vegans, at least the preachy “hey, look at me” ones, irk me something FIERCE, but I try not to be critical. Negroes are trying to better themselves, and this is what it comes to...

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Oops. I had to fix a typo. I meant “hotep hood vegans.”

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I just re-read my message and kudos to you for deciphering that mess.

that was the best term I could conjure so as not to slander any particular group of people coming around to 'new' (to them) knowledge.

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he based his whole "career" on a lie and bilked a lot of people out of a lot of money over the years. his "followers" are about who you'd expect. the fact that he admits to never going to school or reading books on the topics he claimed to be an expert on .... and people still follow him like he's all knowing is astonishing. this day and age where we can fact check just about anything in a matter of seconds, you'd think someone like him couldn't exist. can't say i'm too surprised though. there will always be people like him and more than enough people willing to follow and defend him.

School can't teach you God's wisdom or ancient ancestral whatever.

They just replacing blind faith in Christianity with this shit.

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Our pill approach to healing all illnesses I think leaves us high and dry and only treats symptoms of illnesses.

I also believe exercise and a good diet can dramatically improve lives and is a cornerstone of healthy living.

But mayne you going to need more people if you out here claiming to cure aids. Science might not got him to such results, but results should be able to be scientifically validated.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

the venn-diagram intersections of the social world can and will be wedged, infiltrated and exploited by capitalism...and everything moves by degrees of incremental growth.

you can start with the 5%, Hebrew Israelites, hoteps, woke nxggas, and move up or down the scale...wherever the rift in beliefs are there will be someone who will capitalize. Dr. York, Farrakhan, Hon. Elijah Muhammad.....


you can call em all con men if you want...but those that they lead will say different and both would be theoretically right.

a nxgga who just NOW gettin off the pork in 2019 will look strange to you, right? you 'shit on him' cause 'you BEEN known swine is wack. And now, instead of giving him YOUR knowledge, you've 'stumbled him' with your high-horse attitude and now he goin to Dr. Sebi.

He better off than he was (to him) and you're shaking your head like 'THIS, nxgga.'

That's how it works

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>swine is wack. And now, instead of giving him YOUR knowledge,
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I 100% agree. Folks like to look down on others who are just "waking up" so to speak. I see it all the time in the so-called conscious community... but I also have come to recognize this as a stage many in our community go through having been told their whole lives that they're less than.

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he charged many thousands of dollars just to have people come down to his retreat in Honduras telling them that the water down there had special properties that would heal them. he also sold a very expensive package of pills and herbs on his website. not going to even get into all the information he spewed that was just factually and scientifically incorrect.

I can not in good faith co-sign giving any credence to this dude when he's so wrong on so many levels. if you want to better your life or get into herbs or whatever, there's countless black folks out there who are legit that you can follow instead of this clown.

I'm just sayin....when you're hopeless hope is a thing.

L.A. is different than say, South Philly where the street soldiers may eat halal. Nxggas out here lost it when Ice Cube cut his curl, and some of the same ones who bought Death Certificate bought Westside Connect Gang

The key to success is simple: don't be doin shit that doesn't align with your goals. Right? So why the self help section at Barnes and Noble on swole? Why is Tony Robbins rich?

It's like that, and thass the way it is

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That's how they get you - they have a few things that work, and a LOT of bullshit.

Lots of this type of bullshit out there for all races.

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that is the LITERAL definition of a con man. gain your confidence with a little bit of something legit and then scam you. he didn't promote anything good that didn't already exist before him.

Until that happens, as far as I'm concerned it does not work.

Show and prove.

the alkaline diet thing alone is enough to never listen anything he has to say about anything.

(sorry. had to do it for old times sake).

ppl be doing a whole ass lot, tho.


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Sebi was big in NYC, I take his info with a grain of salt. His family is very cool, the few I've dealt with.


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Definite health benefits to the diet

...shoulda stopped there...

Claiming cures, nah.

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>Definite health benefits to the diet

I almost think that AIDS shit is basically the "Bought NBC" of his story. did he even claim that?

They took out advertisements claiming to cure aids, etc... (9 diseases in total)

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I believe Dr. Sebi could be telling the truth but I can't get behind his claims fully because I haven't been presented any actual proof from any of his believers/fans. The same goes for the circumstances surrounding his mysterious death. I've seen (mostly black) people jump onto conspiracy theories so willingly only for the facts to totally crush their theory. I've also seen the opposite happen.

So...I don't know what to think about Dr. Sebi's claims or his death. Yet.
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Dr. Sebi represents what more black people SHOULD do. He was brave enough to leave this toxic ass country, start a health movement and teach people to live naturally off the land.

He lived in black Honduras, which is beautiful right on the coast but without many resources.

He designed an entire community and he really opened black Americans up to asking more questions about their food, their diets and how we treat our bodies.

We will never know who he helped but he didn't really hurt anyone nearly as much as the the American medical and food systems.

I don't live by his diet but I respect his legacy.

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Do I feel he has the cure for certain disease states? No. But I am interested on what he has said and willing to look at things from an alternate perspective.

As a healthcare professional, I can honestly say that they (universities) steer you away from natural medicines and into pharmaceuticals. All natural things are bad/quack science and all good things are pharmaceutical with a 300% markup. The extreme point of view is off. Mankind survives off the earth for thousands of years yet it is unproven science? Really? Yet these pharmaceutical companies are rummaging through Africa, as well as other places in the world, to discover and replicate natural active ingredients; synthetically make them into pill form, then sell them for 100 x's the price with a shit load of side effects. I see it first hand. It is wrong.

Yes pharmaceutical companies/industry are good for some things....but looking at what it has become. Sad, ridiculous, very worrisome. Healthcare teaches you to live WITH disease, not reverse it. On top of that, when you get certain disease states, they teach you to stay away from certain foods. Well, if certain foods make certain conditions worse, could they also be the cause too? I am not talking blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes because we all saw 'Supersize Me'; but conditions like arthritis, multiple sclerosis, etc.

And this is where Dr. Sebi comes in. Promotion of natural health and vegan diet. I don't follow him but I wonder how he came to the conclusions he has. Unfortunately, nutraceuticals and natural medicines are not regulated by the FDA so the door is open for scammers. They don't have to produce any scientifical evidence, reproduce studies, or any of that. But seeing how the healthcare system scams and lobbyists paying off government officials to lie about proper diet, then yes natural medicine is worth looking into. Like everything, be careful and do the work to become knowledgeable.

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But they don't say stay away from meat, dairy, and eggs. Eat in proportions. Nah, reality is it is best to stay away from it. I've watched high blood pressure normalize when cut from the diet. Better than any pill and less costly.

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Also supposedly had breakthroughs in the treatment of HIV/AIDS.
He also made headway in the treatment of cancer, I think, in the 1980's. Research was suppressed by the higher ups of the medical community then reintroduced approximately 30 years later as revolutionary cancer treatment with oncologists at universities (such as Duke/etc.) supposedly leading the way. Oh, and on top of having his research suppressed, he was set up for a car bomb. Luckily he wasn't blown to bits and is still with us today.

The medical community is not as truthful as we'd like to believe and have been known to suppress evidence of beneficial treatment; especially if it does not align with conventional belief and/or corporate greed.

Because of that, there is nothing wrong with looking to alternative medicine. With everything, be careful, do the research, and be critical. I mean, if you hear on the news that chocolate is good for your health and the study is sponsored by Hersheys....then you might want to question the methodology, incentives, and results.

So yeah, I understand the problems with Dr. Sebi. But I am curious on how he made these bold claims and got off in the court system if he was such a conman. It is an interesting story and worth looking into for me.

....that’s all I needed to hear.

He’s a quack in my books

I can never understand folks who claim western medicine is evil yet try to explain their products/diet with science and spit nonsense as facts.

it's one of the tells.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

he said we shouldn't eat broccoli didn't he? cuz its a hybrid (unnatural) plant?

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Apparently Nipsey never reached out to them regarding the documentary.

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