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_explain555
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"next up on da summer jam screen: touchy feely Uncle Joe"


          



https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/29/18241598/joe-biden-lucy-flores-touching-women-media-history-explained

https://nypost.com/2015/02/18/6-joe-biden-gaffes-that-prove-the-vp-dances-to-the-beat-of-his-own-drum/


damn @ da dossier of creepiness

dudes brazen lol




  

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dem pics look like he put on a santa suit year round tryna trick
Mar 29th 2019
1
damn thats a long thread lol
Mar 29th 2019
2
Just here to laugh at the dummies who thought he was a good idea.
Mar 30th 2019
3
This pic right here is pure COmedy
Mar 30th 2019
4
Looks staged. Like he slid up from under the table.
Mar 31st 2019
10
dem candidates dropping like flies by the hands of their own voters
Mar 30th 2019
5
LOL nah yo if joe sinks he got his own damn hands to blame on dis one
Mar 30th 2019
6
who has dropped? All but one have to eventually
Mar 30th 2019
7
Joe never should've been in the running this year.
Mar 30th 2019
8
"There aren't enough Dems running" is certainly a take
Apr 01st 2019
19
      dude's politics takes are worse than his movie takes
Apr 01st 2019
22
wouldnt be surprised if he pulled out.
Mar 30th 2019
9
This is too easy
Apr 01st 2019
16
i'm a little suspicious of her
Apr 01st 2019
11
Why? Joe has a history of this shit
Apr 01st 2019
18
Decades of shit with this guy
Apr 01st 2019
12
Trump won!
Apr 01st 2019
13
chickens coming home to roost
Apr 01st 2019
14
They gonna Al Franken him
Apr 01st 2019
15
trump said grabbing
Apr 01st 2019
17
standards are very different
Apr 01st 2019
20
We have to stop labeling folks when talking politics
Apr 01st 2019
23
      fair points
Apr 01st 2019
24
whats good for the other man is not whats good for the brother, man.
Apr 01st 2019
25
could you just not do politics anymore
Apr 01st 2019
21
LMAO.. thats how this reads too
Apr 02nd 2019
29
      every post he makes is like this
Apr 04th 2019
106
see y'all Wednesday
Apr 01st 2019
26
2nd woman complains, says Biden grabbed her by da face to "rub noses"
Apr 02nd 2019
27
ionno yo i think dis shit might be a bad look. a repub lady da only one
Apr 02nd 2019
28
Stop doing dis
Apr 02nd 2019
30
Ahahahaha.
Apr 02nd 2019
32
LOL
Apr 02nd 2019
41
you kidnapped NoDrawls
Apr 02nd 2019
40
Bruh...Faux news is running a sportscenter top 10 inappropriate public
Apr 02nd 2019
43
What was the argument FOR Biden?
Apr 02nd 2019
31
Minus all this stuff, it's electability. He'd win PA back, and probably
Apr 02nd 2019
33
Is he actually electable, though?
Apr 02nd 2019
36
      I think the electability thing applies to 2016.
Apr 02nd 2019
37
           OK, that makes more sense
Apr 02nd 2019
38
Basically.
Apr 02nd 2019
34
He would've had a better shot in 2016 than 2020
Apr 02nd 2019
35
There isn't one.
Apr 02nd 2019
39
That he can attract the working class white vote in the rust belt
Apr 02nd 2019
42
Biden won’t win those votes back
Apr 02nd 2019
44
      Ionno. Hilldawg is a special case. People hated her
Apr 02nd 2019
46
           I don't disagree
Apr 02nd 2019
47
                Individual 1 I love that.
Apr 02nd 2019
48
                Old white folks trust old white men
Apr 03rd 2019
51
                     I hear you
Apr 03rd 2019
71
lazy ass Democratic strategists trying to get paid for nothing
Apr 03rd 2019
58
I bet he's still going to run anyway, though
Apr 02nd 2019
45
I actually think he's still the frontrunner.
Apr 02nd 2019
50
      Unfortunately this is probably correct
Apr 03rd 2019
52
      So many people going out of their way to stick up for him
Apr 03rd 2019
53
           I doubt that happens.
Apr 03rd 2019
54
           Outside of this, I still don't think he's winning the nomination
Apr 03rd 2019
55
                Hilldawg was in it for a minute tho
Apr 03rd 2019
56
           I don't know why so many Democrats despise Democrats these days.
Apr 03rd 2019
59
           and yet you so eloquently summise my feelings toward democrats
Apr 03rd 2019
60
           Because the Constitution makes it impossible to pass laws right now?
Apr 03rd 2019
64
           Despise is a strong term
Apr 03rd 2019
66
                I don’t think it’s that serious
Apr 03rd 2019
75
                     No one is saying rape in here
Apr 03rd 2019
76
           just like some folks are for Cardi druggin and robbin niggas..same bird.
Apr 03rd 2019
63
man, Biden's time was 2016 anyway.
Apr 02nd 2019
49
My issue with these accusations is they all say it wasn’t sexual
Apr 03rd 2019
57
Old world Dems are so pressed to elevate Biden
Apr 03rd 2019
61
Agreed...Hope folks are legit prepared for 4 more years
Apr 03rd 2019
65
This is what kills me, they don't need to do this
Apr 03rd 2019
67
right. And not to mention
Apr 03rd 2019
70
right - it's not only a total lack of imagination
Apr 03rd 2019
77
EVERYBODY has baggage.
Apr 04th 2019
80
      This is actually nothing compared to scrutiny of his record
Apr 04th 2019
84
           LOL
Apr 04th 2019
86
                Millennials and Gen Z will comprise almost 40% of the electorate
Apr 04th 2019
88
                     Millennials aren’t young voters anymore tho
Apr 04th 2019
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                          RE: Millennials aren’t young voters anymore tho
Apr 04th 2019
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                               I think it’s 18-29.. but they aren’t reliable.
Apr 04th 2019
99
                                    This is what's so curious about the Dem strategy right now.
Apr 04th 2019
103
old world Dems... like an Old world Dem?
Apr 03rd 2019
73
      Democrats who only eat this
Apr 03rd 2019
74
CONVINCING OR NAH?
Apr 03rd 2019
62
Did he sniff Obama's hair?
Apr 03rd 2019
68
Perfect illustration of what a Biden presidency would look like
Apr 04th 2019
78
I just can't see this being a big deal.
Apr 03rd 2019
69
notice the "boys will be boys" Trump 'Grab em' defenders...
Apr 03rd 2019
72
And now Trump's going in on him
Apr 04th 2019
79
I'm all in on this back and forth as long as Joe doesn't run
Apr 04th 2019
81
I don't think anyone thought Trump wouldn't
Apr 04th 2019
82
Huh? This won’t hurt Biden vs Trump
Apr 04th 2019
83
you're giving the media and voters too much credit
Apr 04th 2019
100
Oh, I agree, it could absolutely hurt Biden more
Apr 04th 2019
94
      Right. This too
Apr 04th 2019
104
Trump goes in on everyone
Apr 04th 2019
85
This is weird.
Apr 04th 2019
87
      ...
Apr 04th 2019
89
      RE: ...
Apr 04th 2019
93
           Is Biden a creep?
Apr 04th 2019
97
                You'd have to ask the women
Apr 04th 2019
108
      Welp. Trump just made Biden official.
Apr 04th 2019
90
      This absolutely sucks, but you are probably right
Apr 04th 2019
95
      exactly. its a reason da orange one wanna go up against biden or beto
Apr 04th 2019
98
           Who doesn’t he want to face? Bernie?
Apr 04th 2019
101
           i think he said bernie too. ionno, i just think he dreamin of how theyd
Apr 04th 2019
105
           He probably thinks he could beat everyone
Apr 04th 2019
107
      Dude can't keep on script
Apr 04th 2019
91
           Stephen Moore was being floated a couple days ago.
Apr 04th 2019
102
"I'm not sorry for anything I've ever done" (video)
Apr 05th 2019
109
WOW, I thought that would happen...but I also thought it would take
Apr 05th 2019
110
      Yea - I'm not quite sure how his approach will play w/ voters
Apr 05th 2019
111
Thought piece on how uncomfortable Joe made her feel...holding her hand
Apr 10th 2019
112
From what I hear he's held his lead in the primary.
Apr 10th 2019
113
      Only people bothered by Biden’s shit...
Apr 10th 2019
114
           Or they're people with different standards and priorities than you
Apr 10th 2019
115
                But he didn't say "nobody actually disagrees with me"
Apr 10th 2019
116
                This right here was about the size of electorate demographics?
Apr 10th 2019
117
                RE: This right here was about the size of electorate demographics?
Apr 10th 2019
119
                     It's an argument
Apr 10th 2019
125
                point still stands
Apr 10th 2019
118
                     I don’t think women and gays will sit this one out
Apr 10th 2019
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                     RE: point still stands
Apr 10th 2019
122
                          Young voters vote Dem WHEN they vote
Apr 10th 2019
124
                Legs has gone grumpy old man on us or something
Apr 10th 2019
120
                     Nah. I just think WE (OKP’s, twitter progressive, social media)...
Apr 10th 2019
123

_explain555
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1. "dem pics look like he put on a santa suit year round tryna trick"
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womein into sittin in his lap

lol

  

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2. "damn thats a long thread lol"
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3. "Just here to laugh at the dummies who thought he was a good idea. "
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He was a shitty candidate without even mentioning this stuff.

  

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4. "This pic right here is pure COmedy"
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https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/aptopix_obama_2012.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=680

At least Joe and the Lady in the middle look happy

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10. "Looks staged. Like he slid up from under the table. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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5. "dem candidates dropping like flies by the hands of their own voters"
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sadly trump got 2020 on lock

  

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6. "LOL nah yo if joe sinks he got his own damn hands to blame on dis one"
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7. "who has dropped? All but one have to eventually"
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So I’m scratching my head at your comment.

Literally no one should be surprised/upset that these
Biden stories are dropping. One of many reasons he
would be an awful candidate.

Better now than later too.

Trump probably does have 2020 on lock, but it isn’t
because folks are starting to admit how awful Biden
is.

And, candidates are going to drop. That’s the idea.

  

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8. "Joe never should've been in the running this year."
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He could've ran in 2016 and didn't. Now the times have changed, the party has continued to evolve, and his form of charm ain't it.

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19. ""There aren't enough Dems running" is certainly a take"
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22. "dude's politics takes are worse than his movie takes"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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9. "wouldnt be surprised if he pulled out."
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from the #metoo shit to the abrams snub to painting lefties as the face of tribalism...dude really hasnt done *anything* right in the lead-up to his launch.

his campaign would be a nightmare for him and his family.

  

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16. "This is too easy "
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Joe still got the jimmy hat on...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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11. "i'm a little suspicious of her"
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not defending Joe here, just saying.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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18. "Why? Joe has a history of this shit"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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12. "Decades of shit with this guy"
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13. "Trump won!"
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14. "chickens coming home to roost "
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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15. "They gonna Al Franken him"
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This seems like a misguided/over reaction by the left coupled with bad faith cheering by the right.

I say stick it out and work it out.

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17. "trump said grabbing "
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va jay jay was all good if youre a celebrity

biden in the clear

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20. "standards are very different"
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Really scratching my head at dudes in here caping for Joe Biden.

I'm convinced a lot of people just think "oh, Obamas veep? They seemed to get a long..."


There are reasons Joe hasn't won the nom before.

  

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23. "We have to stop labeling folks when talking politics"
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I’m not a Biden fan but it’s not caping to think this won’t have a big impact if he runs.

One of the problems with OKP and progressives in general is thinking their take on politics is THEE take on politics. The average Dem won’t give a shit about Joe being Joe.

A part of also thinks Joe’s camp could be relived this is out there now if he is serious about running. By the team we get to the meat of the campaign trip this won’t even be a real issue for Joe.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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24. "fair points"
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>I’m not a Biden fan but it’s not caping to think this
>won’t have a big impact if he runs.

Yeah...I can see that. I should have said "I'm surprised there are dudes who seemingly want Joe Biden to run"..my bad.

I disagree it won't have an impact though. I think the media would go hard on Joe, and the left would essentially be painted as hypocrites.

As I said, the standards are unfairly different. Compare the responses to Omar and Steve fucking King.


>
>One of the problems with OKP and progressives in general is
>thinking their take on politics is THEE take on politics. The
>average Dem won’t give a shit about Joe being Joe.

I dunno man, I don't see how this shit flies on the left in the age of MeToo, etc.

>
>A part of also thinks Joe’s camp could be relived this is
>out there now if he is serious about running. By the team we
>get to the meat of the campaign trip this won’t even be a
>real issue for Joe.
>
>

I do think better now than later for everyone.

  

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25. "whats good for the other man is not whats good for the brother, man. "
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21. "could you just not do politics anymore"
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we don't need posts written by talkingpoints usa fanboys



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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29. "LMAO.. thats how this reads too "
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106. "every post he makes is like this"
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and then he's like ooopps I guess I didn't do enough research and does it again.

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26. "see y'all Wednesday"
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27. "2nd woman complains, says Biden grabbed her by da face to "rub noses""
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LOL who does dis?!

mf done perfected da creepy non-sexual old man touchin to a tee gatdamn lol

dis woman sound more politically motivated than da latina woman tho

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/01/politics/biden-second-accusation/index.html

A second woman has come forward in an interview with a Connecticut newspaper to allege that former Vice President Joe Biden touched her inappropriately.

Amy Lappos told the Hartford Courant on Monday that Biden pulled her in to rub noses with her at a 2009 fundraiser in Greenwich, Connecticut. Biden was vice president at the time.
"It wasn't sexual, but he did grab me by the head," Lappos, who was then an aide to US Rep. Jim Himes, told The Courant. "He put his hand around my neck and pulled me in to rub noses with me. When he was pulling me in, I thought he was going to kiss me on the mouth."

Lappos added her voice to that of Lucy Flores, a former Democratic politician in Nevada, in saying is she felt Biden touched her in an inappropriate manner. Flores said on Friday that Biden made her feel "uneasy, gross, and confused" in 2014 when, at a campaign rally, she said he kissed her on the back of the head.
Biden now faces those two accusations as he considers a bid for president in 2020. He is expected to announce his decision as soon as this month.

A source familiar with Biden's thinking told CNN the allegations against the former vice president won't dissuade him from running in 2020, but notes the final decision has not been made.
In response to Lappos' allegation, a spokesperson for Biden referred CNN to a statement the former vice president issued on Sunday.

"In my many years on the campaign trail and in public life, I have offered countless handshakes, hugs, expressions of affection, support and comfort," Biden said in a statement. "And not once -- never -- did I believe I acted inappropriately. If it is suggested I did so, I will listen respectfully. But it was never my intention."

Lappos later said in a statement that she decided to speak out due to her disappointment over Biden's response to Flores' accusation.
"Referring to this type of behavior as 'simply affection' or 'grandpa-like' or 'friendly' is ridiculously dismissive and part of the problem. Saying 'but Trump ...' is dangerous and sets the bar for Democratic men far below where it should be," Lappos said.
She added she thinks all the men who have thrown their hat in the ring to be the Democratic nominee for president ought to step aside in favor of the female candidates in the race.

"If Biden truly supports women and gender equality he would step aside and support one of the many talented and qualified women running," Lappos said. "The same goes for the other men who have thrown their hat in the ring. Women are 52% of the population. We are not a minority, we are the majority. It is time we are represented as such. After 45 male presidents it is time we elect a woman."

In her interview with the Courant, Lappos said she didn't file a complaint because he was the vice president.
"There's absolutely a line of decency. There's a line of respect. Crossing that line is not grandfatherly. It's not cultural. It's not affection. It's sexism or misogyny," she said.
A longtime Biden ally told CNN's Jeff Zeleny on Sunday there were no signs the former vice president was reassessing his 2020 plans in the wake of the allegations, but cautioned Biden had still not made a final decision.

After Flores went public, some of Biden's potential 2020 competitors addressed the allegations, with many of them expressing that they believed Flores.

"I think what this speaks to is the need to fundamentally change the culture of this country and to create environments where women feel comfortable and feel safe and that's something we have got to do," Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday on CBS' "Face the Nation."
Also over the weekend, former Biden staffers came to his defense in response to Flores' essay.

Kendra Barkoff Lamy, who worked for the former vice president, tweeted, "As a former staffer for @JoeBiden and also someone who works on women's issues, I can say unequivocally that I was never uncomfortable with how he treated me or other women. He dedicated his career to women's empowerment, safety & equality. That's one reason why I worked for him."

Late Monday night, Meghan McCain -- the co-host of "The View" and the daughter of the late Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who was close with Biden -- also defended the former Delaware senator.

"Joe Biden is one of the truly decent and compassionate men in all of American politics," the conservative commentator and co-host of ABC's "The View" said. "He has helped me through my fathers diagnosis, treatment and ultimate passing more than anyone of my fathers friends combined. I wish there was more empathy from our politicians not less."

  

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28. "ionno yo i think dis shit might be a bad look. a repub lady da only one"
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defendin him and he need to win over dem women to win da nom?

after feelin up half da women politicans n wives in da party?

and theres actual women runnin already?


lol


if dis is a takedown da shit kinda masterful

  

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30. "Stop doing dis "
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32. "Ahahahaha."
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I stopped myself earlier from calling him out on always being the first to respond to his own posts. It's like, there's an edit button for a reason, if you have subsequent thoughts to add.

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41. "LOL"
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40. "you kidnapped NoDrawls"
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IG: amadu_me

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43. "Bruh...Faux news is running a sportscenter top 10 inappropriate public"
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moments with Joe Biden

https://youtu.be/vHTncNdoqzk?t=133

Literally don't need anyone to come forward

This is all in plain public view

actually, it's a benefit that this is happening now

had he announced his candidacy, won the nomination...and then this came out

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31. "What was the argument FOR Biden?"
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that he would be essentially a third term for Obama?

Just trying to wrap my head around why people want to die on the hill of America Needs Joe Biden of all people.

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33. "Minus all this stuff, it's electability. He'd win PA back, and probably"
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MI and WI too. Plus the Obama connection.

  

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36. "Is he actually electable, though?"
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Or just well known? Because most people still aren't really paying close attention and it's all about name recognition, but that becomes less important as the campaigns roll on, they have more debates and the other candidates get some shine.

Because everything Hillary got banged on for supporting, Biden also supported, and there was also the Anita Hill thing.

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37. "I think the electability thing applies to 2016."
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He's feeling it out now because a lot of people gave him shit for not running in 2016. But times have changed and it's becoming pretty clear that his electability expired after 2016.

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38. "OK, that makes more sense"
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34. "Basically. "
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I can’t lie, I wanted him to run in 2016 because I had no faith in Hilldawg and I know America will run out and vote for an old white dude who they could drink a beer with.

No idea what his policies would be at the time either.

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35. "He would've had a better shot in 2016 than 2020"
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in a general at least (still would've been hard for him to beat Hillary in the primary.)

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39. "There isn't one. "
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42. "That he can attract the working class white vote in the rust belt"
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The ones who caused the midwest to swing from Obama to Trump.

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44. "Biden won’t win those votes back"
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For a variety of reasons,

One being how upset/disappointed/whatever those
folks had to be in Obama admin to put their faith in
Trump.

Hillary ran on “four more years of Obama”’and lost. There
we’re obviously other issues, but the Obama connection
wasn’t strong enough to overcome them.

As of right now, Don Don can claim a better economy too.

“Let’s go back four years” just isn’t a winning message
for some people

  

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46. "Ionno. Hilldawg is a special case. People hated her"
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and that hate aged like a fine wine.

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47. "I don't disagree"
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That hate certainly did age like fine wine (lol)


But, I really don't think running old-ass-creepy- Joe Biden on a "hey, remember the Obama admin? Lets go back four years to that" will win back midwest "swing" voters.


Like you said, we can't pretend that other voters think like us on okayplayer. Those voters probably aren't as upset, maybe not upset at all, at how things have gone under Individual 1. They were also probably frustrated with Obama admin.

Why would they go back? And what is the message?

"Lets make America great-er again"? I just dont see it.


I don't think Johnny amerikkka six pack trump voter would get excited about going back to the Obama years- especially if Individual 1 is able to claim a good economy in 2020.

I think Dems need to get those voters back with a fresh face and policies that speak directly to them.


I agree with you that Biden probably would have done better in '16 than Hillary. I just think his time has passed.


Add in the issues he would have with the far left (by pretty consistently shitting on them), etc...?

Nah. I'm not saying he would, but I also would not be surprised if he did worse than Hillary in 2020.


At the very least, this idea that Biden would be a lock to win PA, OH, WI, MI etc is very suspect...because I don't think it digs deep enough into why they went to Trump in the first place. I don't think its *all* Hillary hate.



  

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48. "Individual 1 I love that."
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>Those voters probably aren't as upset,
>maybe not upset at all, at how things have gone under
>Individual 1.

Mad I didn't think to use this sooner. I've been going with "45*" for some time now.

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51. "Old white folks trust old white men"
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IMO it’s why Biden is polling so well even though he hasn’t announced yet.

and I think you underestimate how many Dems and Indies hated Hillary. Not saying they all voted for Trump either.

The margin of victory in those rust belt states was extremely slim.

I’m not even a Biden supporter but I think he wins those states easily if he ran in 16.

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71. "I hear you"
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but even at that I think there are better/safer candidates to run.

Hell Beto could probably appeal to a lot of those same voters, while still keeping the left/young people etc engaged.

I don't trust voters on either side.


I get there is a lot of passion to just beat Trump, but I think if Biden wins the nom the left's engagement goes down for a variety of reasons.

Yeah Hillary was hated but she also had passionate supporters. Does Biden? I don't trust the left to get fully behind creepy Joe, especially after he has shit on them so much.

Maybe he could help that situation and make a slick vp pick, but I dunno.

At some point he is going to have to stop being just that old white guy who gave Obama fist bumps or whatever.


Basically, you don't trust the middle voters to vote for anyone other than a white guy- and you might (probably, actually) be right.

I just don't trust the left to vote for Joe, and I think some are over-rating Biden's ability to get those voters back.

So...lets run a different white guy haha

  

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58. "lazy ass Democratic strategists trying to get paid for nothing"
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Too scared to do some actual voter outreach, they just want to hold big rallies and buy tv commercials and shit away $2 billion like they did with clinton


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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45. "I bet he's still going to run anyway, though"
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50. "I actually think he's still the frontrunner. "
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If it doesn't go beyond "touching people in a weird, space-violating, but non-sexual way," then I'd anticipate he can survive this with most of his lead intact. Let him survive the early contests into the "super" days where people can't locally campaign anymore, and his name recognition will take over.

  

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52. "Unfortunately this is probably correct"
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unless someone says he violated them I doubt he drops out over this.

Maybe he drops out because he thinks back and realized he has a few women who could do him in but more than likely it’s just Joe being huggy touchy Joe.

His name is strong tho. Real strong.

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53. "So many people going out of their way to stick up for him"
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And they're all going to pretend like they didn't a few years form now.

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54. "I doubt that happens. "
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unless he gets a serious accusation of continuing to touch and hug after being asked to stop I don’t think it’s going to go on much further.

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55. "Outside of this, I still don't think he's winning the nomination"
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He's polling well now, when the average voter still isn't really paying close attention and only knows Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders (maybe they know a little bit about Harris or Warren, couldn't pick any of the other candidates out of a lineup.) And even then, he's polling below where Hillary was at this point in the 2016 cycle (and 2008.)

Maybe if Obama goes really hard for him (not a half-assed endorsement, but actively campaigning for him across the country and making speeches on his behalf,) but he doesn't seem like as much the heir apparent as Hillary was in 16.

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56. "Hilldawg was in it for a minute tho"
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Pretty much after 2008 everyone said it was her turn next.

I think Biden still has a good chance just due to his name and lets be real. Most voters aren’t going to care about policies. They are going to go with a name and a feeling.

I hope I’m wrong but I have zero faith in American Voters until they prove me wrong.

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59. "I don't know why so many Democrats despise Democrats these days."
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But it's an unhealthy thing for progressivism.

Why would people be pretending they never supported him in a few years?

Biden is not my favored candidate, mainly because he doesn't always think before he speaks. I wish he was more cautious, poll-tested, robotic, lol. So I'm worried a few gaffes in the general election could bring down his campaign.

That said, he'd be just as good a president as ANY of these other Democratic candidates. Nobody's gonna pass any laws. All we can expect is that the administration is staffed with people who believe in climate change, are willing to spend on education, willing to make and enforce environmental regulations, etc. All of the candidates will be taking political appointees from the same pool. And as for supreme court justices, they'd all make the same decisions there.

A Biden presidency really would be like four more years of Obama (sadly, the later Obama years, when all he was able to do was make administrative decisions and temporary executive actions). That's exactly the same as what it would be from any of the other candidates (except maybe Tulsi Gabbard; that might be a shitshow). Bernie might put on some kind of push for the laws he campaigns on, but after a few months it would be clear that he doesn't have the votes and it'd stop there. (Then the people who don't care how politics works and developed Obama regrets could start to develop Bernie regrets.)

From Biden, or any of the candidates, the best we can hope for is also pretty much what we'd get. A Democratic administration, making left-of-center administrative decisions, and appointing left-of-center judges. Let's not get hung up on "policy." Now is not an age of policy, and we really can't change that.

  

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60. "and yet you so eloquently summise my feelings toward democrats"
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Fuck the democrats as a party
staff
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64. "Because the Constitution makes it impossible to pass laws right now?"
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Who do you think IS gonna pass laws?

The Republicans can occasionally do it, when they hold the house, on reconciliation measures or if they kill the filibuster. But progressives won't even be able to do *that* until they control the Senate, which they won't for at least a few more cycles (and likely a lot longer).

It's just math. I'm not gonna say fuck math as a crew.

  

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66. "Despise is a strong term"
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>But it's an unhealthy thing for progressivism.
>
>Why would people be pretending they never supported him in a
>few years?

Because "sticking up for someone who obviously can't keep his hands to himself around women" is a position that doesn't age well. If he never gets the nomination, or does get the nomination but loses to Trump, sticking your neck out for Joe Biden right now is going to be a much worse look than the people who threw themselves in front of Bill Clinton (as shitty as they were to Lewinsky, at least most people agreed he shouldn't have been impeached.)

And if a Biden presidency wouldn't be that different from a Sanders/Warren/Harris/O'Rourke presidency in terms of policy achievements, why not just choose one of them? At the very least, people won't spend the whole campaign talking about how they can't stop groping people.

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75. "I don’t think it’s that serious"
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but of course we are going to make it sound like Biden is rapey

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76. "No one is saying rape in here"
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But if we can avoid stepping on this rake, why not do so? It's not inevitable that he's going to be the nominee.

At the time, the way Joe Biden treated Anita Hill was not exactly out of the mainstream and plenty of people thought he didn't do anything wrong. Are any of those people talking about that now? Or are they staying quiet? Same with the center/left people who defended the Iraq War (and honestly, some of the right wingers, too.) They get very quiet when that comes up now, even though it was a completely mainstream position to take back then.

That's all I meant by "pretend they didn't defend him."

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63. "just like some folks are for Cardi druggin and robbin niggas..same bird."
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49. "man, Biden's time was 2016 anyway."
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and he had his reasons, but still. in a as-yet-to-be-run primary, Biden's solo record would be fair game. and if we go back to the '90s? he lookin' funnystyle.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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57. "My issue with these accusations is they all say it wasn’t sexual"
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what are they saying that we don’t already know?

Is this there way f saying Joe is out of “touch” with the times?

Seems like every candidate has a week of “but what about her emails” and then we move on.

True photo of Joe with the Statue of Liberty tho.. lmao.
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61. "Old world Dems are so pressed to elevate Biden"
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in their pursuit of #NeverBernie lol. It's sad.

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65. "Agreed...Hope folks are legit prepared for 4 more years "
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67. "This is what kills me, they don't need to do this"
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It's not like there aren't a ton of other candidates with less baggage out there.

He doesn't currently hold office
He's not the nominee
We're 10 months before the first primaries are even held

Sure, there are times when (politically speaking, not necessarily morally) you have to shut your mouth and rally behind your guy against the opposition. We're not even close to that point here, and we can actually avoid it entirely by spending the next year or so choosing literally anyone else.

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70. "right. And not to mention"
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"the guy who got his ass kicked in 2008 by Hillary is a lock to win the general in 2020" is some suspect-ass thinking.

Yeah, people hate/hated Hillary. She still kicked Biden's ass though.

Are there any Biden fans out there who don't mention "Obama"? Homeboy is living off that connection for real- because people forgot/don't know the real Joe. He's like a prop in Obama's story.

If Dems really believe that a white guy is the only way to win the midwest (and hell, that probably is unfortunately true), go Beto or Pete or even fucking Inslee. Or beg Brown to change his mind.




  

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77. "right - it's not only a total lack of imagination "
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but it discounts the fact that there's a very diverse field of candidates - many with great strengths who are far more active and in tune with where the 2020 electorate is.

Sadly - not much has changed in the aftermath of the 2016 debacle - and it's largely because the Dems are still in denial about their own role in botching the election and missing the wide-open dunk vs. Trump.


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80. "EVERYBODY has baggage."
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The fact that Joe's is coming out this early in the process is a good thing, not a bad thing.

This is one of the reasons people like "known quantities" in politics.

  

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84. "This is actually nothing compared to scrutiny of his record"
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Joe is beloved by many in older circles - but not so much by the young, emerging electorate which will significantly sway this election.

They ain't gonna be too keen on his record dating back to the 90's - and he'll have to really show his work to substantiate his (absurd) claim that he's "the most progressive candidate running." He needs to distance himself from that claim as that's not where his appeal is or will be.


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86. "LOL"
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>the young, emerging electorate which will significantly sway
>this election.

  

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88. "Millennials and Gen Z will comprise almost 40% of the electorate"
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in 2020. And within a couple of years, Millennials will surpass Baby Boomers as the largest voting bloc in the country.

Time to remove your Clinton/Kaine bumper sticker fam. It's gonna be ok.

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92. "Millennials aren’t young voters anymore tho"
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Aren’t they damn near 35 now?

Is that still considered a young voter?

Who will they vote for in the GE if Biden wins the nomination?

If you mean the Dem primary then sure, they could make it harder for Biden but unfortunately a lot of them don’t vote in primaries.

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96. "RE: Millennials aren’t young voters anymore tho"
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>Aren’t they damn near 35 now?
>
>Is that still considered a young voter?

Yes. Under 40 voters are definitely considered "young"

>Who will they vote for in the GE if Biden wins the nomination?

Biden - by an overwhelming majority (there's ample data to prove this). Here's how the under 40 vote played out in 2016:

https://mic.com/articles/159119/if-only-people-under-40-had-voted-here-s-how-the-electoral-college-would-have-looked#.aeaqB7kGm

>If you mean the Dem primary then sure, they could make it
>harder for Biden but unfortunately a lot of them don’t vote
>in primaries.

A lot of them came out in 2016 - and many more will come out in 2020. You can longer trivialize or ignore this segment of the electorate. They will make very real electoral impact moving forward.


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99. "I think it’s 18-29.. but they aren’t reliable. "
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103. "This is what's so curious about the Dem strategy right now."
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Instead of being buoyed by the AOC energy and harnessing it (as that's a segment of the electorate that really has nowhere else to go but the Democratic Party) - they are dismissing it as irrelevant, "unreliable" and even unwelcome within the Democratic ranks.

Horrible strategy.

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73. "old world Dems... like an Old world Dem? "
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I’m shocked. lol

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74. "Democrats who only eat this"
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62. "CONVINCING OR NAH?"
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https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1113515882960052224


he really goin in on da uncle joe thing

  

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68. "Did he sniff Obama's hair?"
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If not, why not? Didn't he think it was important to "make a human connection" there?

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78. "Perfect illustration of what a Biden presidency would look like"
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Could his response be anymore...get off my lawn?

The boundaries of personal space have not changed

I'm pretty sure personal space has always been personal space

His inference to the boundaries now shifting...is some blaming millenials bullshit

The difference now, is that those who suffer this inappropriate conduct are being given a space to voice their greivances

...and not just be dismissed by the old boys network like Anita Hill was...

Also, I didn't hear an apology...?

I'm assuming he didn't contact Ms Flores for insight into the issue or to offer a personal apology directly

Completely tone deaf.

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69. "I just can't see this being a big deal. "
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There is outrage from folks who don't want to see him get the nomination and their are those who aren't really offended by the behavior but are worried others will be offended by the behavior and are concerned about his electability.

Other than that most people don't seem to give a shit.


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72. "notice the "boys will be boys" Trump 'Grab em' defenders..."
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are the ones ACTING most outraged...

shits hilarious to me.

  

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79. "And now Trump's going in on him"
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Lest you think "Trump would never bring this up with his history."

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81. "I'm all in on this back and forth as long as Joe doesn't run"
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82. "I don't think anyone thought Trump wouldn't "
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>Lest you think "Trump would never bring this up with his
>history."

bring it up necessarily.


I DO think people are under-estimating the higher bar set for Dems and how shitty the media is at "both sides" and false equivalencies.


And therefore people are also underestimating how effective Trump's attacks can be here. Biden gives Trump someone to attack rather than be on the defensive.


Dems risk looking like hypocrites here too.


The other thing, this will be brought up in the primary if he runs...so the primary could get unnecessarily ugly/personal/distracting.


He really should not run. If folks want a middle-of-the-road white guy, Tim Ryan just announced.

  

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83. "Huh? This won’t hurt Biden vs Trump"
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I don’t see it.

Now vs Kamala? Maybe.

The problem for me is Dems have this unrealistic fantasy of who should run and win. I’m not a Biden guy but if he runs I think it’s his to lose.



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100. "you're giving the media and voters too much credit"
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I think it hurts Biden in the primary and the general.


You really think the media is going to have nuance in comparing the two?


You really think Johnny Amerikkka is going to stop and compare the two on the details?


You keep saying your're "not a Biden guy"- but...you're starting to sound like one man *shrugs*

You're also starting to sound like the folks who yelled at us (you included) that people were making too much out of Hillary's risks.

"Oh people won't care about emails/Benghazi/Bill in the general"..."She will be a continuation of Obama, who is very popular" ...."moderates will vote for her over Trump" "hers to lose" etc

Its like a replay. Yeah Hillary was hated, but she also had a lot of passionate followers, etc.

Biden has risks. His creepy behavior is one of them.


Biden running against Trump gives Trump a lot of extra ammo that another candidate wouldn't provide. That includes painting the entire Dem party as hypocrites.


And a-political, apathetic, typical Amerikkkans will fall for it.


I don't have any fantasies about Bernie Sanders, Warren, etc becoming President. I think they would lose in a general.

I just also think Biden would lose.

  

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94. "Oh, I agree, it could absolutely hurt Biden more"
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Because the media will just "yeah, but everyone knows that about Trump" and shrug it off.

I have seen people suggesting that Trump would never use this line of attack on Biden, because apparently they forgot the 2016 debates.

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104. "Right. This too"
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>Because the media will just "yeah, but everyone knows that
>about Trump" and shrug it off.

I can picture the post 2020 Trump-voter profiles now

"Mrs Wisconsin decided to vote for Trump again because she didn't see much of a difference between the two candidates. In fact, she says that she thought the standards should be higher for Biden since he was an experience politician. 'Trump comes from the business world, its different. Biden should know better. Plus, it seems like Trump improved and learned his lesson. I don't think Biden has.' Mrs. Wisconsin also stated that Democrats just came off as hypocrites. 'Seems like they ony care about harassment when its a Republican'..."

...and shit.

>
>I have seen people suggesting that Trump would never use this
>line of attack on Biden, because apparently they forgot the
>2016 debates.

Ah, I thought you meant here. I can't understand how anyone would think that. He attacked Hillary for shit Bill did.


I can't believe people are downplaying how different the standards are for Republicans...especially for Trump. Trump got away with extra terrible shit because "he isn't a seasoned politician"

  

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85. "Trump goes in on everyone"
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he's probably got a war-room of lames (led by Miller) brainstorming on nicknames right now for each candidate.

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87. "This is weird."
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If Trump and his handlers were smart, they'd let the Dems trounce on Biden rather than have a sitting Republican president give Biden attention and therefore give those on the left a reason to support him.

He's almost legitimizing Biden as a potential opponent.

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89. "..."
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>If Trump and his handlers were smart

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93. "RE: ..."
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>>If Trump and his handlers were smart

I'm not of the belief they are, but they just made Biden a victim rather than the narrative be focused on Biden allegedly being a creep. Pretty wild to me. It'll be interesting to see how this is spun.

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97. "Is Biden a creep? "
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108. "You'd have to ask the women"
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accusing Biden of making them uncomfortable and invading their personal space, not me.

I personally never understood why folks were clamoring for Biden to run before that whole mess, so that news breaking didn't really change my opinion of him that greatly because I never had a great opinion on the man beforehand.

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90. "Welp. Trump just made Biden official. "
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Can’t see Joe not running now or it looks like Trump punked him.

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95. "This absolutely sucks, but you are probably right"
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If there was a 1% chance he wasn't going to run before, that's out the window now, alleged fundraising issues be damned.

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98. "exactly. its a reason da orange one wanna go up against biden or beto"
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its cuz he thinks he could beat em

n he might be right

they got so much damn bullshit for him to make fun of on da trail

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101. "Who doesn’t he want to face? Bernie? "
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That’s the only other name I think that has a legit shot at beating him this time around.

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105. "i think he said bernie too. ionno, i just think he dreamin of how theyd "
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give him lotta material n shit

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fbn-reveals-2020-rival-dems-radicalized

  

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107. "He probably thinks he could beat everyone"
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In reality, he's pretty vulnerable (but not dead, could still win reelection.) But his approval rating hasn't really moved that much since he was inaugurated, and he basically can't afford to lose any of his 2016 states.

I mean the man makes world leaders look at his 2016 electoral map, which is like the 38th biggest win in presidential history, like it's some great symbol of conquest. He definitely doesn't think he can lose to anyone.

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91. "Dude can't keep on script"
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Trump is about to announce Herman Cain for the fed board

He's got his own accusations out there as well (if you remember why he dropped out of the presidential race)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-plans-to-nominate-herman-cain-to-fed-board-aiming-to-add-loyalist-to-independent-central-bank/2019/04/04/8a9bb7a8-56f6-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html



"Cain ran for president in 2012 but lost during the Republican primary to Mitt Romney. He became famous for a simplified tax plan, known as Nine-Nine-Nine. His candidacy unraveled over complaints that he sexually harassed multiple women, including an allegation that he groped a woman and tried to force her into a sexual act. (Cain has denied the accusations.)"

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102. "Stephen Moore was being floated a couple days ago."
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Now Cain? Trump has a number of appointments now which are essentially as atrocious as anyone could imagine (Perry, Bolton etc..) - Swamp Circus mode.


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109. ""I'm not sorry for anything I've ever done" (video)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj0mr4HJlw

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110. "WOW, I thought that would happen...but I also thought it would take "
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more than a few days

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111. "Yea - I'm not quite sure how his approach will play w/ voters"
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but I don't think it will ultimately play well. His speech today was pretty tone-deaf. Joe's got a good story and is a likable guy, but he already struggles with resonating with younger voters - and this approach of not wanting to evolve to changing norms isn't a good look in a Democratic primary where a large % of voters care deeply about changing the culture/norms of our society.


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112. "Thought piece on how uncomfortable Joe made her feel...holding her hand"
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/joe-biden-lilly-jay-touch-essay.html

I feel like Joe could pull a Trump-lite and just embrace the fact that he is touchy feely and that will earn him votes.

This will peel more Trump voters off towards him them any Warren Policy Proposal.



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113. "From what I hear he's held his lead in the primary."
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I was ready to write the guy off when he joked about it at that union appearance. He has a boundless ego and absolutely no command over basic appropriateness. This is not the last Biden gaffe we'll have.

But even progressives, by and large, don't seem to be bothered by it. And the broader electorate, even less so. The progressive movement is a lot more pragmatic than certain people want to think it is.

  

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114. "Only people bothered by Biden’s shit..."
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are the people who say shit like Black me. are the white people of Black folk...

You know, the people who spend all day on twitter looking for shit to be mad about

Average voter doesn’t give a shit about a hug 20 years ago.

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115. "Or they're people with different standards and priorities than you"
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The idea that "nobody actually disagrees with me, they're all just pretending to, for the internet" is a weird one. Like, I don't think Joe Biden would make anything resembling a good president, but I believe that there are people out there who genuinely think he would. They do exist.

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116. "But he didn't say "nobody actually disagrees with me""
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In fact he listed groups that did.

The Point you are missing is that the group upset with this aren't significant enough to sway an election.



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117. "This right here was about the size of electorate demographics?"
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>You know, the people who spend all day on twitter looking for shit to be mad about

Weird, it doesn't read like that at all. How would he even know, nobody is voting on anything for another nine months or so at least.

Is there a lobby for Big People Who Spend All Day On Twitter Looking For Shit To Be Mad About that I wasn't aware of? Is this a demographic that gets polled often? Admittedly I've only ever participated in a telephone poll a couple of times, but they did not ask me about this.

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119. "RE: This right here was about the size of electorate demographics?"
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>Is there a lobby for Big People Who Spend All Day On Twitter
>Looking For Shit To Be Mad About that I wasn't aware of?

Yes. The lobby is called "social media." Lobbying is just communication with politicians, and politicians communicate through Twitter all the time.

>Is
>this a demographic that gets polled often?

Yes. The polls are called "social media."

Basically Legs is making a "silent majority" claim. Whether you take the claim seriously or not, it's a pretty standard political argument. One that most of the self-appointed "true progressives" also couldn't figure out in 2016.

  

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125. "It's an argument"
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But if he's got a silent majority, like half of it is staying REALLY silent.

He very well might win the nomination. But it's so early, I don't know how you could possibly determine one way or the other.

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118. "point still stands"
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"not enough people disagree with me" is basically the same as "no one disagrees with me"


I think ya'll are underestimating how a Biden nomination would take the wind out of the sails for a lot of important groups- like women and young people. Hell, his Pence praise isn't going to play well.

Folks don't want to call this group the base? Fine. But Dems still need them to turnout.


Not saying that women, young people, and/or LBGQT people vote Trump. They just check the fuck out/stop volunteering/etc and/or stay home.


And checked out/a-political people/ independents who "don't see a difference" between the two parties will continue to think that way, and also stay the fuck home. Both parties are running two ancient white dudes who are inappropriate gaffe machines, while the media makes holding hands = pussy grabbing??

And their 401ks are up? They'll skip the election.


And the idea that he will peel off Trump voters is ludicrous. I can't believe people still put faith in the "moderate Repbulicans" after the last 2-3 years.


Like dude said, Biden has his fans in the Dem party. No one disputes this. Shit, its probably why he will eek out the nom. The problem is a lot of folks take his poll results in the Dem party damn near two years out...sprinkle in his bromance with Obama...and assume he will win the general.

I don't think he will. Maybe a dope VP pick would help, but I'd rather not risk it personally.

  

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121. "I don’t think women and gays will sit this one out"
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Anyone is better than Trump IMO so I don’t think people will check out if Biden wins.

He would be smart to go younger with a VP tho.

Some reverse Obama 2008 type ticket.

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122. "RE: point still stands"
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>"not enough people disagree with me" is basically the same as
>"no one disagrees with me"
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>I think ya'll are underestimating how a Biden nomination would
>take the wind out of the sails for a lot of important groups-
>like women and young people. Hell, his Pence praise isn't
>going to play well.

Maybe young people. But young people don't vote anyway. I don't think we've seen any evidence that he'd have a problem with women.

I think YOU are underestimating how a Bernie nomination would take the wind out of the sails of a lot of far larger and more important groups.

Both of those things can be true, in which case we're fucked. But it seems pretty clear that apart from unexpected dumbfuckery from the candidate (that he usually weathers surprisingly well) we'd be less fucked under a Biden candidacy than a Sanders candidacy.

>Folks don't want to call this group the base? Fine. But Dems
>still need them to turnout.

Dems need a lot of people to turn out. But I think you drastically overestimate the importance of college students, which is really who we're talking about.


>And the idea that he will peel off Trump voters is ludicrous.
>I can't believe people still put faith in the "moderate
>Repbulicans" after the last 2-3 years.

You're right that there are no moderate Republicans anymore. But there are a lot of *former* Republicans. And because they'd be going from one side to the other, their votes count for twice as much as the apolitical.


>Like dude said, Biden has his fans in the Dem party. No one
>disputes this. Shit, its probably why he will eek out the
>nom. The problem is a lot of folks take his poll results in
>the Dem party damn near two years out...sprinkle in his
>bromance with Obama...and assume he will win the general.
>
>I don't think he will. Maybe a dope VP pick would help, but
>I'd rather not risk it personally.

He would definitely be a risk. But name another candidate who wouldn't be a bigger risk. The only ones I can think of are looking VERY unlikely to make it through the primary, mainly because there are just too many names. People wanted a bigger primary field, they got it, and as a result we again seem to have a binary choice.

  

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124. "Young voters vote Dem WHEN they vote"
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but they are unreliable as hell.

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120. "Legs has gone grumpy old man on us or something"
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He is sounding more and more like that old dude yelling at the kids to toughen up.

(shit, he sounds like Joe- it just hit me)


I've seen a lot more folks upset/disappointed/hoping Biden doesn't run in real life than online.

This idea that no one cares about this, especially in the MeToo era?

That's some very odd out-of-touch Dem party arrogance that doesn't seem like Legs.

That's some "for every liberal she loses, she'll pick up two moderate suburban Republicans" ass thinking.

Folks want to run a middle of the road white dude to lock down the midwest?

Fine. Lets do it. Just not an 80 year old hair-sniffing one who praises Pence, laughs at his own fuck ups, campaigns for Republicans, and actively shits on the left.

  

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123. "Nah. I just think WE (OKP’s, twitter progressive, social media)..."
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have artificially inflated numbers when it comes to the average voter.

Real talk, in another week this isn’t going to be an issue. I’m sure they will keep trying to run with it but it’s not going to have the impact long term if he runs.

I’m not even a Biden fan but I don’t think the metoo movement is strong or large enough to impact the Dem election when it come to Biden’s touchy feely ways.

Now he could definitely lose on policy but if he won the nomination I don’t see him losing to Trump.

Old white dudes trust old white dudes.

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