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Buddy_Gilapagos
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"If you plan on defending Michael, you should read Unmasked"


  

          

There is a documentary to be released about two of Michael Jackson's accusers who are now in their thirties.

https://themuse.jezebel.com/michael-jacksons-alleged-child-sexual-abuse-is-the-subj-1831630093

A few years ago I read Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson by Ian Halperin.

https://www.amazon.com/Unmasked-Final-Years-Michael-Jackson/dp/1439177171

The story is Halperin set out to investigate the alleged assault claims and prove MJJ's guilt but by the end of the investigation, he concluded that MJJ was innocent. He also concluded the big secret that MJJ was hiding was that he was indeed gay.

I have forgotten the particulars but it was a good read and seemed well researched and now seems like a good time to re-read since it's all that twitter will be talking about in about 2 weeks.

You can get it on amazon for 4 bucks. Check it out.


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couple things...
Jan 10th 2019
1
followup - re: repoasting former-gawker-site articles
Jan 10th 2019
4
^^^^Hulk Hogan in disguise^^^^
Jan 10th 2019
20
      lemme tell ya something brother!
Jan 10th 2019
24
      I'm saying!! I didn't know gawker properties were so triggering?!?
Jan 10th 2019
31
           gotta brother like
Jan 10th 2019
34
Dang now you want to shame my twitter habit? SMH.
Jan 10th 2019
5
      lol
Jan 10th 2019
7
           I read the book because of those types of conversations.
Jan 10th 2019
14
           DING! you having all kinda revelations
Jan 10th 2019
23
           we;re very much in a post-factual world. very big factor in why i stoppe...
Jan 11th 2019
44
                and we are all the worse for it
Jan 11th 2019
45
HE IS DEAD.
Jan 10th 2019
2
RE: HE IS DEAD.
Jan 10th 2019
3
i agree with all that, which is why i'd rather discuss that than MJ
Jan 10th 2019
39
This is kind of why I recommend the book. He is dead isn't a great way
Jan 10th 2019
6
Twitter sounds like it sucks.
Jan 10th 2019
8
Twitter's great if you know how to use it.
Jan 10th 2019
12
I follow Antonio Brown, some UX blogs and design and architecture
Jan 10th 2019
15
      Literally took me a year to get the UI.
Jan 10th 2019
18
But twitter gave me this this morning.
Jan 10th 2019
19
Twitter seems like high school, without the youth and hope for the futur...
Jan 10th 2019
38
So we shouldn't defend Mike...because he's gay...?
Jan 10th 2019
9
He literally did not say a single thing even resembling that, no.
Jan 10th 2019
10
Lol. Let that man stir
Jan 10th 2019
16
I am coming to the conclusion you can't read very well.
Jan 10th 2019
11
      For clarification...I was asking for the clarification in post 14
Jan 10th 2019
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      those kids were not
Jan 10th 2019
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      umbrage
Jan 10th 2019
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           Ripped me a new one rightfully so!
Jan 10th 2019
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                I would rather not be associated with the
Jan 10th 2019
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                     Shots fired?!?
Jan 10th 2019
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                          ngccot
Jan 10th 2019
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                               when I googled that I got this. LOL.
Jan 10th 2019
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                                    that is so awesome
Jan 10th 2019
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thanks for the recommendation.
Jan 10th 2019
13
hate to sound "classist" or what ever but....any book that costs $4...
Jan 10th 2019
21
Whet?
Jan 10th 2019
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      "You can get it on amazon for 4 bucks. Check it out."
Jan 10th 2019
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           If you don't believe in paying for books it's probably in a library
Jan 10th 2019
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                $4 suggests the value is low.
Jan 10th 2019
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                     Oh now I follow. That's the used price. If you want to pay full price
Jan 10th 2019
40
Unmasked is truly trash.
Jan 10th 2019
41
fantastic replies in this post bro lol.
Jan 11th 2019
42
yeah, reply #41
Jan 11th 2019
43

Selah
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1. "couple things..."
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Jan-10-19 11:01 AM by Selah

          

>RE: If you plan on defending Michael, you should read Unmasked

I'm curious about the idea of people who are PLANNING do defend a dead guy (10 years...maybe this planning is to coincide with it being a decade)?

still, methinks whatever opinion one might have 10 years after his death is pretty set in stone, so what exactly would be the point of this "planned" defense? who would the planner be trying to convince?

*ponders*

>There is a documentary to be released about two of Michael
>Jackson's accusers who are now in their thirties.
>
>https://themuse.jezebel.com/michael-jacksons-alleged-child-sexual-abuse-is-the-subj-1831630093

this is a sidebar...

i'm, a bit nonplussed about the number of former-gawker-site articles that are presented here on OKP for discussion. the number of poorly written and barely researched root/deadspin/jezebel "articles" that are imported makes me think of the chinese knockoffs with lead paint that you see all over LA from the ships @ san pedro (but I digress...)

its like we have become/are becoming a satellite site for their comments sections

remember back when people would come HERE for content then go write/post it elsewhere for internet props (as opposite)?

how the mighty have fallen

guess we gotta post *something* (content matters), but still

sheesh

>The story is Halperin set out to investigate the alleged
>assault claims and prove MJJ's guilt but by the end of the
>investigation, he concluded that MJJ was innocent. He also
>concluded the big secret that MJJ was hiding was that he was
>indeed gay.

he dead. *IF* he hid that, is it REALLY cool to dig up his bones and tell secrets he didn't want told so you can get rich $4 at a time

>now seems like a good time to re-read since it's all that twitter >will be talking about in
>about 2 weeks.

as a brother, on some unsolicited intervention steeze, yesterday when i left work (and therefore this site) the last thing i saw was a comment from you about what twitter is saying/doing

today, the first thing I see is you trying to get ahead of the twitter-curve

you seem like a decent enough cat, so with all due respect, please consider that perhaps you are (getting?) too caught up in what a bunch of not-that-cool-at-all folks out in the ether-web are doing

please don't give them (more) power like that

the world is already screwed up enough

PLEASE know i'm saying this with no intended snark, and I fully recognize that you might/can easily get huffy and retort all salty and whatnot for your own points

I just really think this kinda muckraking (the speculation and whatnot on graves) and fishing for props (wanting to be the flagbearer in the "what da innanet is talkin' 'bout") is one of the real problems of the world and am willing to title at the windmill of trying to be civil and inject a little light into the darkness. i really want us to be better

let the poasting commence...

  

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Selah
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4. "followup - re: repoasting former-gawker-site articles"
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Thu Jan-10-19 11:24 AM by Selah

          

i just realized...

we have always done the whole "respond to current issues in the news" type posts

sadly there are fewer news sources where any type of research and editing-for-factual-erros, editing for actual RELEVANCE of newsworthiness in this "must have fresh content" era, or legit QUALITY in the writing matter

as such sites like the aforementioned are the places where we get "news" from (or perhaps where we simply spend out internet-hours for the sake of being entertained)

that sidebar rant is more tied to my personal disdain for the lack of quality in those places and hating seeing this place digress to following vs leading

but, many of "us" are now actually creating the content in those places so perhaps the thoughts just slid elsewhere

i dunno

its still early in the morning here

this gonna be a long day trying to keep myself entertained

  

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20. "^^^^Hulk Hogan in disguise^^^^"
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24. "lemme tell ya something brother!"
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hee-hee-hell

  

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31. "I'm saying!! I didn't know gawker properties were so triggering?!?"
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34. "gotta brother like"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClXJY53rV8E

  

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5. "Dang now you want to shame my twitter habit? SMH. "
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Thu Jan-10-19 11:31 AM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

But for real, I might be a little too heavy on the twitters but I like to think that when I am referring to twitter I am using it as a proxy for public discussion (I probably should have said "twitter, the media and everyone will be talking about".). But twitter is a good indicator to what everyone will eventually be discussing including here and the mainstream media. Which is unfortunate because twitter is also an awful place to try and have a thoughtful nuanced discussion. I think that's why I tend to take topics from there and try to have better discussions here.

As far as linking the jezebel article, wasn't trying to discuss the article, was giving details about the documentary to be released. I linked it for the facts, not the commentary (was there commentary?). I could have used any link discussing the doc but that is the first to pop up in google.

As far as why I am planning to defend MJJ? That's easy I am a fan and I also think he is innocent after researching the allegations. There is already an effort to link him to R Kelly and I think folks should be armed with the facts to push back on that. My kids were singing his songs last night and I want to help protect his legacy.

Do you approve?


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7. "lol"
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>But for real, I might be a little too heavy on the twitters

m'jus sayin.....

>but I like to think that when I am referring to twitter I am
>using it as a proxy for public discussion. It's a good
>indicator to what everyone will eventually be discussing
>including here and the mainstream media. Which is unfortunate
>because twitter is also an awful place to try and have a
>thoughtful nuanced discussion. I think that's why I tend to
>take topics from there and try to have better discussions
>here.

twitter and twitter people kinda suck (by and large)

i don't think they should be the arbiters, and am chagrined at how much power that pack of rabid jackalpoes are being given toward what should be "the norm". but who am I?

>I could have used any link
>discussing the doc but that is the first to pop up in google.

wherever you would have referenced would have been a "cosign" to the veracity of the source. in essence pointing people to it <-- this is the whole purpose of a reference, right?

>As far as why I am planning to defend MJJ? That's easy I am a
> fan and I also think he is innocent after researching the
>allegations. There is already an effort to link him to R
>Kelly and I think folks should be armed with the facts to push
>back on that. My kids were singing his songs last night and I
>want to help protect his legacy.

i remember the day he died. i sat with my then office-mate and was completely given pause by the news. he (a then early 20s white dude, fresh outta college) couldn't get why I would be bothered AT ALL. He was literally on some "good. he was a child molester"

i have rarely seen someone so convinced of anything

we went around and around (me pointing out things he wasn't aware of: just how famous jackson was at one point, the charitable works, and the researched refutations to the allegations, etc) and he was like: nope

he had been raised to believe that Jackson was the boogeyman

this to me is one of those OJ things

folk gonna believe whatever the believe till THEY die

>Do you approve?

we are all just bouncing thoughts. my "approval" doesn't matter

  

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14. "I read the book because of those types of conversations. "
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I wanted to shut people down with facts when they started spouting that bullshit. I am learning facts in arguments are overrated.


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23. "DING! you having all kinda revelations"
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>I am learning facts in arguments are
>overrated.

i'd amend that to "arguments are overrated" period

again:

sick.sad.world

  

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44. "we;re very much in a post-factual world. very big factor in why i stoppe..."
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writing.

not the only one.

but i think my last published article was in '09.

i used to care about convincing ppl about stuff. now i'm not convinced that people can be convinced.


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45. "and we are all the worse for it"
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the loss of you writing is a great one
the loss of facts mattering

all that

  

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2. "HE IS DEAD."
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and isn't a threat to ANYONE

can we please focus our energy on those that are ALIVE AND STILL ABLE TO RAPE?

maybe help upend the social protections that exist for people who hurt kids?

maybe root this shit out your own families and communities?


why is that so hard?

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3. "RE: HE IS DEAD."
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>and isn't a threat to ANYONE
>
>can we please focus our energy on those that are ALIVE AND
>STILL ABLE TO RAPE?
>
>maybe help upend the social protections that exist for people
>who hurt kids?
>
>maybe root this shit out your own families and communities?
>
>
>why is that so hard?

a few (in no way intended to be exhaustive) reasons why its hard to to the above things:

1. the way the justice system is set up

2. the way power is set up

3. how society ofen de-values victims

4. how society often de-values "the weak" in general

5. backlash against "you must believe the accuser" pendulum swinging

6. the fact that victimization is often the outgrowth of being victimized or oppressed

a couple of reason

1. dead people *can't* defend themselves, or argue back
2. sensationalism sells (for example capitalizing on a death "anniversary") more than listening to tales of abuse told directly from some kid or victimized person. today's culture absolutely loves "the tea" right?

file all under: sick.sad.world

  

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39. "i agree with all that, which is why i'd rather discuss that than MJ"
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6. "This is kind of why I recommend the book. He is dead isn't a great way"
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way to defend anyone.

His estate reaps millions. If he were indeed raping children then the money should be going to better causes.

If he raped children I don't think I want my kids idolizing him and singing his songs.

There is also some whataboutism in your post as well.

Either dude is a child rapist which should be reflected in his legacy or he is someone wrongly accused of crimes he didn't commit. We probably have to choose one.


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8. "Twitter sounds like it sucks. "
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I have it but rarely use it and don’t follow many people.

shut up already, damn

  

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12. "Twitter's great if you know how to use it."
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Thu Jan-10-19 12:40 PM by Brew

          

You read articles on the internet right ? And you mostly ignore the comments to maintain your sanity, right ? That's what Twitter can be. If you follow the right people (who provide insightful articles and threads rather than one-liners and bullshit thinkpieces) it is a *great* place for to-the-minute information and intelligent discourse.

If you read someone's think piece, then dive into the muck with the commenters, you're in deep shit. Never, ever, ever do that.

Follow thinkers, sports journalists, historians covering the Russia investigation (covering it well, not the hyper folks), shit like that ... and read their threads and articles. And like I said, never start reading the comments ever ever ever even for a single moment, just like you wouldn't go balls deep in the comments section of any news article.

Beyond the practical uses of it, and if you're looking for actual fun - NBA twitter is the best twitter, if you're a basketball fan.

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15. "I follow Antonio Brown, some UX blogs and design and architecture "
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but I only visit twitter when someone post in here.

I don’t like the UI for Twitter so I’m off it after 2 minutes.

Prolly don’t like it because most of the links I click from news sources or here is to some controversy.

shut up already, damn

  

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18. "Literally took me a year to get the UI. "
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19. "But twitter gave me this this morning. "
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https://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1083140191362048000


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38. "Twitter seems like high school, without the youth and hope for the futur..."
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Just a bunch of old clique-y folks that can't even express real opinions because the collective frowns upon dissenting views.

  

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9. "So we shouldn't defend Mike...because he's gay...?"
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Not that that would be any earth shattering revelation

...but I'm confused by the premise of your post...

You're saying we should watch the documentary for affirming his innocence IRT child molestation...but we will be all the way done with him based on the doc concluding he's gay

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10. "He literally did not say a single thing even resembling that, no."
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>RE: So we shouldn't defend Mike...because he's gay...?
>Not that that would be any earth shattering revelation
>
>...but I'm confused by the premise of your post...
>
>You're saying we should watch the documentary for affirming
>his innocence IRT child molestation...but we will be all the
>way done with him based on the doc concluding he's gay
>
>He made thriller...thriller (c)

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16. "Lol. Let that man stir "
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shut up already, damn

  

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11. "I am coming to the conclusion you can't read very well. "
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1. I did not at all suggest that anyone watch a documentary affirming MJJ's innocent.

2. Nowhere did I suggest that there is anything wrong with him being gay. I think if I even hinted at that Selah and Damali would have ripped me a brand spanking new one.


Maybe try reading again really really slowly.




>Not that that would be any earth shattering revelation
>
>...but I'm confused by the premise of your post...
>
>You're saying we should watch the documentary for affirming
>his innocence IRT child molestation...but we will be all the
>way done with him based on the doc concluding he's gay
>
>He made thriller...thriller (c)
>
>


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17. "For clarification...I was asking for the clarification in post 14"
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Thu Jan-10-19 01:08 PM by bentagain

  

          

It's an oddly worded post

and I wasn't sure what you were saying

There's a doc coming out that reintroduces the child molestation allegations...and we should read unmasked so we can push back against those allegations

^^^ this is what you're saying...correct?

I'm good on that...thanks

Mike was under FBI investigation since 1993, that's all I or anyone else needs to know

IRT the R Kelly connection

I actually brought this up in that post

I think the fact that Mike was basically destroyed as a public figure by the child molestation allegations...and there was never any proof...or any criminal convictions

Feels like a huge omission from the R Kelly docuseries

yes, we do have the tendency to protect our own

But given the Mike example, I think that that had a lot to do with why people didn't just automatically stop R's career

IMO.

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22. "those kids were not"
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black girls/women. ones that didn't look like the girls/women that kellz is messing with.

plus gay was 'bad' during that time.

nah, you trippin

  

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25. "umbrage"
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>I think if I even hinted at that Selah and
>Damali would have ripped me a brand spanking new one.

BRUH!!!!!

  

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27. "Ripped me a new one rightfully so! "
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Selah
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29. "I would rather not be associated with the"
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"mEn R TRash...but by the way, i need help so loan me some ca$h" brigade

please

and I, again, wasn't trying to trip. just questioned some of the perspective(s)

i actively don't get into all that rah-rah broad-brush, pissing-contest stuff

no point in it

  

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30. "Shots fired?!?"
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35. "ngccot"
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one person's "stated facts" is another's "shots fired"

*shrug*

  

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36. "when I googled that I got this. LOL. "
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_mesg&forum=18&topic_id=50917&mesg_id=50996&page=

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Selah
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37. "that is so awesome"
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and pretty much proved we've been a bunch of a-holes forever

  

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13. "thanks for the recommendation."
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>A few years ago I read Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael
>Jackson by Ian Halperin.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Unmasked-Final-Years-Michael-Jackson/dp/1439177171
>
>The story is Halperin set out to investigate the alleged
>assault claims and prove MJJ's guilt but by the end of the
>investigation, he concluded that MJJ was innocent. He also
>concluded the big secret that MJJ was hiding was that he was
>indeed gay.
>
>I have forgotten the particulars but it was a good read and
>seemed well researched and now seems like a good time to
>re-read since it's all that twitter will be talking about in
>about 2 weeks.
>
>You can get it on amazon for 4 bucks. Check it out.

I think though that they have not yet been named, I highly suspect the subjects of the forthcoming documentary to be Wade Robson and James Safechuck, both of whom filed a number of suits against Michael Jackson and related entities posthumously. the suits were dismissed in court on a legal technicality; Robson's claims are most interesting because he actually testified under oath in the 2005 case otherwise. Wondering what this documentary is going to reveal that hasn't already come out in the cases against MJ they filed.

I do find it funnystyle that they went after a dead man like this, though. what's the end goal? and most importantly, where are the receipts? usually, when there's someone famous doing THIS kind of shit... there's always some NDA, some payoff, something.

the MJ receipts we do have through criminal reports, FBI investigations, court cases, all come to the same conclusion. There is no evidence that even suggests MJ was doing this sort of thing.


Also, the filmography of Dan Reed (the director) also gives me pause but I'll wait and see what happens when the film is in public hands.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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21. "hate to sound "classist" or what ever but....any book that costs $4..."
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...shouldn't be the basis for defending or not defending anybody.



>
>You can get it on amazon for 4 bucks. Check it out.
>

  

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26. "Whet?"
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28. ""You can get it on amazon for 4 bucks. Check it out.""
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^^^that

  

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32. "If you don't believe in paying for books it's probably in a library"
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of you could just read this twitter thread I guess:

https://twitter.com/MJJLegion/status/874793293464432640


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33. "$4 suggests the value is low. "
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yep

  

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40. "Oh now I follow. That's the used price. If you want to pay full price"
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Please feel free.


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41. "Unmasked is truly trash."
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I own it. I read like 50 pages and felt bad about buying it, but here we are.

Anyway, it's a really bad book - poorly written, and while it may have elements of truth - it reads like fan fiction.

With that said...with all the evidence, articles, books, and podcasts I've ingested over the years...I still think MJ is innocent. This doc may change my mind, I dunno. But still...the accusers up until now have been majorly unreliable.

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42. "fantastic replies in this post bro lol."
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43. "yeah, reply #41"
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OKP still got it.

  

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