it's still fuck socialism as a staff, record label, and muthafucking crew
but I'm coming around to AOC stirring Dems shit up and getting shit done
She's got the momentum and good will for now, best not overplay her hand
pansy ass liberals are going in on her on Twitter, but they need more people
Watch how! she runs New York

"That dynamic was on full display Tuesday, when Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), a rising star on the left, made a splash on her first day of freshman orientation by joining more than 100 youth protesters outside of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) office to demand action on climate change.

“This is not about me, this is not about the dynamics of any personality,” the 29-year-old Latina, who toppled veteran Rep. Joseph Crowley in the New York Democratic primary, told reporters. “This is about uplifting the voice and the message of the fact we need a green new deal.”

“We are here to back up in pushing for 100 percent renewable energy,” Ocasio-Cortez added. “This is an encouragement of her.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/416564-historic-class-storms-capitol

she did one photo op with protestors and got credit for pelosi pushing to revive a climate change subcommittee that pelosi created in 2007 and was going to bring back anyway (since repubs disbanded it).

aoc is in no leadership position and hasnt taken a single vote. she heads up no caucus in the house even figuratively. what does she run? lol.

this damn social media generation i tell ya smh lol.

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The way twitter libs are going in on her you'd think she was speaker of the House tho

the constant media attention and headlines she gets got me kinda on edge. cuz they are turning her into a celebrity. but theyre really setting her up for failure/disappointment.

folks expect her to be a revolutionary/innovative 'star' 24/7 instead of just letting her gradually grow into her job (a lot of that falls on her and her constant thirst for attention too). people like that have a history of flaming out in washington once the realities of their role hits them.

to come in guns blazing and stick to your goals, flame out in one term or to sit idly by and pay your dues and become a life long member of congress that stays inline?

i wouldnt mind for congress to be focused on one/two terms of actually taking action then get out.

>to come in guns blazing and stick to your goals, flame out in
>one term or to sit idly by and pay your dues and become a life
>long member of congress that stays inline?
>
>i wouldnt mind for congress to be focused on one/two terms of
>actually taking action then get out.


Do they want fresh faces who will fire up the base and say "fuck norms, fuck your feelings, we are going to get ours"

OR

Do they really just want things to be normal.


While I agree with Reeq in that AOC should pace herself, get oriented, etc...she should NOT stop being herself.

And Dems need to F I G H T.


AOC being a star isn't a bad thing either- the Dems need young stars these days.


Finally, Dems can't be the "calm down young lady, know your place" party AND the party that sticks up for women.

maybe that becomes how you get reelected moving forward.

But most of the representatives don't have that luxury. And if they pretend they do, we'll have a very fiery, exciting, inspiring caucus with about 120 members.

There's nothing new about any of this.

for sure some reps cant go for the same style but if you run on certain issues and are elected then i dont see how pushing for those issues once youre in is a bad thing. the issues of importance will vary but take action on what you were elected for.

That's also how it's always been.

But I don't really see how any of this counts as "taking action." I'm not criticizing Ocasio-Cortez here, she's not even seated yet. But simply speaking (in remarkably vague terms, if you listen to what she actually said) to a crowd of student protestors who themselves don't have a plan on the issue they're protesting --- that isn't action, it's pointless social media, theater for the people who are already on her side anyway.

i will be surprised if she is not pushing once shes seated though. i dont think shes worried about fitting in with the status quo.

im seeing it more as shes taking the energy from social media and trying to find ways to get it into DC. trying to turn it into something.

pushing, even if they know some of the people from swingier districts will probably never be out there with them. That's how these things eventually become mainstream enough for the rest of the party to support it.

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Yeah, the people in the safe seats aren't beholden to anyone (and not entirely in a good way --- this freedom tends to make them irrelevant in the long run).

I don't agree that their pushing of issues brings those issues into the mainstream. The major breakthroughs of my lifetime have either come from rigid party discipline (Obamacare), or from sea-changes in public opinion over individual, personal experiences (LGBT rights/marriage equality, weed legalization). The "left" has been on the proper side of history on all these issues, but at best they were irrelevant to actually making it happen or even building the early support.

for being on the 'right' side of these issues too.

so while progressive patty in her dark blue coastal district celebrates being on the forefront of marriage equality before the rest of her caucus...moderate mary has to figure out how to keep her job while the democratic party in her home state of arkansas/tennessee/kentucky/missouri/iowa is getting wiped out at every level of government because of the national party support for pro-lgbtq legislation.

Do you just not like progressives? I'm not going to cosign dude below calling you a Republican obviously, but damn certain days you go full condescending moderate.

Also, dude mentioned Obamacare.


Do you feel that was a mistake? honestly?

It was an Obama passion project where he spent all of his political capital.

I don't think we're ever going to be at a place where major progressive legislation doesn't carry a potential political cost.

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Activists (and whatever politicians they were able to get on their side) have spent decades working on those issues and pushing them into the mainstream. People didn't wake up and just randomly decide that they supported marriage equality. Hell, it took them a long time just to get the big LGBT organizations on their side back in the 90's.

And the rigid party discipline might have been what passed the ACA in Congress, but making that a top priority for the Democratic party was because of the people who had been fighting for health care reform forever.

Same with the Civil Rights Act, the VRA, any sort of environmental legislation, etc. Progress never comes from the top down.

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Especially politicians in the House, where each member only represents a tiny fraction of the overall public.

You're absolutely right that activists are essential. The example of civil rights and voting rights is obvious, and clear cases can be made on all the other issues we've mentioned here. So I'm not diminishing the role of activists. They're essential. (Though sometimes, the way to be an effective activist is not obvious.)


But when it comes to making laws, the game theory of how our system is designed inevitably makes it such that the political side is always from the top down. LBJ (not a hero by any stretch) glad-handed every single member of the House and Senate to push the new society and civil rights legislation through. The issues didn't come from the top down, but the laws most definitely did.

The people in safe seats never need the support of the party, so they don't get it, and they don't expect it. But there are never enough of them to pass anything on their own. The people in swing seats DO need the support of the party. They need everything packaged in a way that they can sell to their shaky constituents. When all these interests align, *then* legislation can happen. But if the interests don't align, it remains an empty talking point.

Single-payer health care has been an empty talking point for the better half of a century. It was only when it was packaged into a palatable but overcomplicated mess (the Public Option in Obamacare) that it *nearly* became a reality. It could come back one day, with another swell of activist fervor. I hope it does. It's certainly a lot more likely than Medicare for all.

My point isn't that people shouldn't be progressive. It's that we shouldn't expect politicians to be overtly activist. The politicians who matter are, by nature, cowards, and they always will be unless someone is ever able to completely rewrite the Constitution. The job of activists is to turn progressive ideas into things that even the most cowardly politicians are compelled to support.

but not having the legal/institutional knowledge/experience to back it up yet.

she already has a track record of getting tripped up on policy in interviews (palestine/israel, govt spending, etc). thats because she spiked the ball and ran to the cameras before even learning the playbook (and the media loved her for it).

wait until she has to start explaining her votes. and why she put her name behind some non-progressive legislation instead of causing a shutdown and jeopardizing re-election for her entire caucus. or wait until she spends her political capital on some progressive passion project that is bypassed by the majority-moderate dem coalition in congress that is actually responsible for flipping red seats to blue and giving dems control of the chamber (0 'justice democrats'/'our revolution'-backed candidates flipped house seats in the midterms).

or wait until she becomes more known for firing on democrats than she is for firing on republicans. and even her democratic supporters grow tired of her.

theres a big difference between being an activist and a legislator.

just look at ayanna pressley and ilhan omar. 2 freshmen reps...just as progressive and committed...but with actual city/state legislative experience...and not as craving for the limelight. aoc would be best served long term to follow their approach.

One day you are "Dems need moderates"

Another day you are "Its fuck they feelings"

On day its "things aren't normal, the other side might not even give up congress"

Another say its "the Supreme Court will rule in our favor" and "new progressive dems need to ..." basically shut up.

etc etc.

If it really is "fuck they feelings" then it HAS TO BE LOUD man.


That's the point. And based on who she beat in the primary, it seems her district wants exactly this. I think if she changed, her voters would feel cheated.


>but not having the legal/institutional knowledge/experience
>to back it up yet.
>
>she already has a track record of getting tripped up on policy
>in interviews (palestine/israel, govt spending, etc).

She's what, 27? Was a long shot to win? We can't be patient with a progressive Dem as she gets more comfortable giving interviews, etc?

I mean, Fuck, Biden (who you want to run for PRESIDENT) often stumbles on his words.

Cmon Reeq.



thats
>because she spiked the ball and ran to the cameras before even
>learning the playbook (and the media loved her for it).


Honestly? You're being a hypocrite here, Reeq. Literally every politician runs to the cameras. From AOC to Pelosi to Beto to Bernie to Hil to the other side.

How are you mad at a politician, of all people, for running to the camera?


And how are you mad that a YOUNG, MINORITY, FEMALE progressive is getting attention and bringing awareness to issues that are important to other people who look just like her.

That should be embraced on principle AND strategy.

DEMOCRATS NEED YOUNG PEOPLE TO VOTE

Telling one of their young stars to quiet down, hide from the cameras, play in the background, etc would not only be hypocritical, but fucking stupid.

She shouldn't change too much. If she does, how is she different than the previous guy? Why did Dems in her district want a change?

Also, would you rather the media interview fucking Ted Cruz? You think Trump and the GOP should get MORE media attention?


>
>wait until she has to start explaining her votes. and why she
>put her name behind some non-progressive legislation instead
>of causing a shutdown and jeopardizing re-election for her
>entire caucus.

Can one person cause a shutdown? I don't think so. Barbara Lee is still in congress. In fact, a lot of people want her to be speaker...

So this idea that AOC is going to have to cave on her principles and shit is not true. Its also...weird that you said it.

It also sounds like you are rubbing your hands together waiting for her to trip up.




or wait until she spends her political capital
>on some progressive passion project that is bypassed by the
>majority-moderate dem coalition in congress that is actually
>responsible for flipping red seats to blue and giving dems
>control of the chamber (0 'justice democrats'/'our
>revolution'-backed candidates flipped house seats in the
>midterms).

**blinks**

So are you saying we don't want progressive passion projects? Are you saying people who we send to congress shouldn't be passionate and/or willing to spend their capital?

Are you saying every progressive Dem in congress should just give up because some moderates won in other districts?




When she comes up, you sound salty as hell. Do you just not like her? If so, how is she different than any other politician who had an audience?

No one is saying she doesn't need to learn, or that she isn't about to face some very tough decisions.

But you honestly sound like you are rooting for her (a progressive Democrat, no less) to fail.

>
>or wait until she becomes more known for firing on democrats
>than she is for firing on republicans. and even her
>democratic supporters grow tired of her.

This is 100% projection on your part. There is no way to say she will do this.

BUT

She is in a safe blue seat, and beat a popular Dem incumbent. Maybe firing on the Dem establishment is what her voters want?

AND maybe its what Dems need to hear. Look to the Amazon deal. What kind of hypocrite/Repub in Dems clothing is DeBlasio?? I knew the governor was like that, but I honestly didn't know Bill was.

He (and others like him) need to be checked. That's the idea.

>
>theres a big difference between being an activist and a
>legislator.

Reeq, you are coming across as "sit down young lady"

That ain't the jam in general, especially in this context.


She attended a protest to "show Nancy that we have her back when she attacks climate change"...

I mean, cmon. You don't want active reps? Okay, maybe thats not the precedent.


You and I say all the time, things aren't normal. So the GOP doesn't have to play by the rules, are you saying progressives do?

Don't we want fight, action, poc, and youth?

How are you mad at this young woman? It literally makes no sense.

>
>just look at ayanna pressley and ilhan omar. 2 freshmen
>reps...just as progressive and committed...but with actual
>city/state legislative experience...and not as craving for the
>limelight. aoc would be best served long term to follow their
>approach.

K. Have they reached out to mentor?

** Oh, and is the media trying to talk to them and they are hiding behind their desks? lol cmon man


It sounds like you just don't like her and you don't really have a good reason, because you don't have a ton of substance- which is really, really odd for you.


Are you mad she won the primary?


Do you not like progressives in general?



I mean, yes OAC needs to learn and grow into her role. But we should all be VERY HAPPY she is there for many reasons.

but i got some unix error when i tried to post.

i gotta type this shit up again tomorrow or something fam lol.

just know i aint blowing you off and i have no issues with aoc personally lol.

Word, I hate when that happens.

I'm not trying to take up a bunch of your time- but just reread your posts man.

Maybe you don't have a problem with her or progressives, but sometimes it feels like it lol

It’s not her fault.

I think heads are mad because she is young, raw and the media is trying to crown her in some Tebow shit. She isn’t first string but getting treated like a starter.

Feels like a set up but the reality is there is enough room for her and the other folks. Not sure she should be out here protesting Pelosi tho.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

the left should try and control the narrative a little better.

I stumbled on this thread (I don't even know who dude is) but its on point-

https://twitter.com/johnastoehr/status/1062761886796668934


And skimming through his twitter, he seems really pro-Pelosi and wasn't bothered by the sit in (he is careful not to call it a protest)

Now, maybe he's trying to save face for Pelosi but he still makes great points and, again, Pelosi handled it well imo

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Haha

Seriously though, I think we agree for the most part
at least

The issue is the GOP is great at making the Dems play defense in the media because the GOP operates on a basic level.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Hopefully she and others push the party/other Dems to stop making very GOP like business deals.


That deal is fucking terrible and horrible look for Cuomo and Bill. Fuck were they thinking?


And again, she will help bring young people to the party, man. That is a very, very good thing.

anything progressive from the D party...you go into attack mode

You're allowed to be a moderate republican...in the republican party

It's okay.

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Shouldn't even be a debate on her policies and views

She won.

The bigger issue with folks that want to dig in against her

is what she represents

Female
Youth
Minority

Should be obvious post the midterms

Elections that had high turnout in those demographics went to the Ds

you want a blue wave?

How does that work by rejecting a young female minority elected official within the party?

Old and yt is not a winning strategy.

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i prolly done more for progressive candidates/causes than both of yall combined.

do yall wanna start posting them actblue stats? lol.
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You averaging 1570 a donation?

Shit.

Trying to get like you.

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She is all positive and trying to do the right thing. It's crazy to me that anyone could possibly hate her (even if they disagree with her policies).

Compare her to someone like Tomi Lahren who is doing hateful shit and deserves to be hated.


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nah, i think theres a valid point that she isnt fully versed on a lot of these topics so she does have some public failures.

if she can mitigate that then shes good.

it's theater, but constructive. at least will show the Speaker what the new blood is about, and hopefully will get some of these things back on the table.

(I watch the Majority Report more than I do the Young Turks nowadays)

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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the unknown upstart
the upset victory
the buzz
the media frenzy
the Faux News assault
the establishment liberal crying on social media: it's not your turn, go sit somewhere, etc
Repugs going apeshit when her name is mentioned

I fully expect her to steal the show at the next DNC
POTUS talk to follow?

Mainstream Democrats were saying he'd be president before he even won a federal office.

I mean I also don't see how anyone thinks the establishment is opposed to Ocasio-Cortez. I've literally never seen a Democrat say anything negative about her.

It's not healthy for progressives to hate themselves so much.

>Repugs going apeshit when her name is mentioned

They really go excessive on Fox News comments about her. Sexual/appearance and intelligence-insulting comments and all

>the unknown upstart
>the upset victory
>the buzz
>the media frenzy
>the Faux News assault
>the establishment liberal crying on social media: it's not
>your turn, go sit somewhere, etc
>Repugs going apeshit when her name is mentioned
>
>I fully expect her to steal the show at the next DNC
>POTUS talk to follow?
>
>

She is approaching her representation as an organizer. Love it.

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to watch her twitter feed and IG stories for one week.

she's the real deal. young, energetic, showing us the behind the scenes of Congress in ways we've never seen before, open to new ideas and fully into calling repubs on their lying ass bullshit

she's not afraid to be wrong or admit when she's made mistake. this the kind of shit so many of us have been waiting for, then when we get it, we hating.

she can hold her own and will be fine.

just tonight, she made a "brand is strong" quip regarding Bodega Boys and somebody tried to come at her on some "oh you trying to call yourself a brand already" LOL


d

A freshman rep from a safe Dem district with no committee chairmanship or power post is driving repugs batshit and I don't get it

https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-slams-disgusting-conservative-media-after-fake-nude-photo-published-no-1286203

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theyre scared of the momentum she appears to have taken the lead on. they want to kill that momentum.

i love how she has been approaching this. i think shes way smarter than they expected. they probably thought they could make her stumble since shes inexperienced but shes rocking it.

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one...going back to newt gingrich and the republican revolution...repubs want to nationalize the identity of the democratic party and define it by its most extreme elements. radicals, activists, nutbags, etc. this is why you see repub candidates in races across the country brand their dem opponent with being another liberal in a party that has gone too far left (even when the dem candidate is moderate or even conservative). its been very effective.

two...its to tarnish and kill her career in its infancy before she rises up the ranks and retains real power/influence and possibly starts winning senate/presidential/etc elections. basically the attacks dont even have to be substantive. just throw a bunch of shit at her to where she is constantly under a negative light and on the defensive (repub super pacs basically just do this the entire campaign season). and whenever she really does do something bad...youve already got confirmation bias in place to make past attacks look credible (the media has a history of abetting this behavior...either wittingly or unwittingly).

both of these approaches work well against a woman. and doubly well against a woman of color. even dems/liberals are liable to fall for some of it to some degree.

A little rough around the edges, but she'll get better.

I like that she fights back head on. I'm not saying she should run for Pres or be the face of the party, but I like what she is doing.

she's not white, and the streets seem to be fascinated with her. she already took out an entrenched politician so they know they gotta shut her down before she can actually build a resume.

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>A freshman rep from a safe Dem district with no committee
>chairmanship or power post is driving repugs batshit and I
>don't get it

Obama changed the game. If this is 30 years ago, yes it probably doesn't make sense... but Obama went from State Senator to President in 4 years. The precedent has been set for a young, energetic personality to make quantum leaps through the Dem ranks and skip over the 'paying your dues" stage. Republicans will continue to spend a lot of energy attacking the bright new stars and try and head them off before they gather too much momentum.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/


i definitely support her. But this was kinda eye opening