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c71
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"Poll question: "Luh to have my cake, luh to eat it, too""


  

          

"I got cake - what the **** I'm 'sposed to do?"

- Jay-Z/Teairra Mari "how a girl feels" (J was on the intro when this was on the radio, don't know why there's not a youtube of that version)


"Can't have your cake and eat it too, girl...."

- Smooth B (Nice & Smooth "cake and eat it too")


"I don't want a love like apple pie: good while it lasts, but when it's gone you wanna cry"

- George Clinton/Garry Shider (Funkadelic "Let's make it last")




Ahem


Let's explore.........


Is a person supposed to not eat the cake or pie because just possessing cake or pie is such a satisfying thing in and of itself?


or.....


Is it bad to eat up your cake and pie because Ma dukes won't buy you anymore cake or pie for a long time after....so you'll be longing for some more cake and pie for a long time until the next time around?


or.....


a person as an adult with cash won't immediately go out and buy some more cake or pie after he or she finishes off whatever cake or pie they presently have, so that immediate time frame of lacking cake or pie because you just finished it is so deflating/depressing?


or....


You got the money and the time to go out and get more cake or pie but you won't because you're watching your weight. So you're sad that you've had your "reasonable" portion of cake or pie already and you've got to wait until some time later or you'll gain weight?

Poll result (2 votes)
Just having cake or pie is "all that" in and of itself (2 votes)Vote
Ma won't get you more cake or pie real soon after you finish (0 votes)Vote
You won't immediately run out and get more cake or pie after you finish (0 votes)Vote
You just don't want to get fat eating more and more cake or pie, so...... (0 votes)Vote

  

  

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Once the cake is eaten it is gone, if you eat the cake you cannot still
Nov 13th 2018
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Grocery stores, bakeries
Nov 13th 2018
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      RE: Grocery stores, bakeries
Nov 13th 2018
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Jesus, basic idioms need explaining??
Nov 13th 2018
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The way it's phrased doesn't jibe with modern English
Nov 13th 2018
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So this is about SEMANTICS?
Nov 13th 2018
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      Not sure what c71 is asking in the OP, lol
Nov 13th 2018
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           not about "knowing" this post is about "exploring"
Nov 13th 2018
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Jay-Z made a clever line about it. And.....reply #3 got into a whole
Nov 13th 2018
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The unabomber anectdote is pretty fascinating no?
Nov 13th 2018
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can't have
Nov 13th 2018
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your cake
Nov 13th 2018
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and eat it
Nov 13th 2018
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too girl
Nov 13th 2018
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girl....
Nov 13th 2018
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because....
Nov 13th 2018
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having two loves...
Nov 13th 2018
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just won't do.......girl.........
Nov 13th 2018
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depends on how good the cake is...
Nov 13th 2018
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"I love you like a fat kid loves cake"-guess he stay being ass out, huh?
Nov 13th 2018
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      if the kid is fat, it would seem that his mother keeps re-supplying the
Nov 13th 2018
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Can't have a brand new car and drive it too.
Nov 13th 2018
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nah, the state of being "brand new" and "having" something isn't
Nov 13th 2018
22

MEAT
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1. "Once the cake is eaten it is gone, if you eat the cake you cannot still"
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Tue Nov-13-18 11:23 AM by MEAT

  

          

have cake.

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c71
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2. "Grocery stores, bakeries"
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uh......

  

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MEAT
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3. "RE: Grocery stores, bakeries"
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As alluded too above, some linguists have insisted that “Have…Eat” iteration is not correct due to the actual plausibility of the statement. You, in fact, can have your cake and then eat it. That isn’t impossible, therefore it negates what the actual idiom stands for, not unlike the common error of saying, “I could care less!” when one means “could not care less.”

On the other hand, eating it and, then, having it is impossible and absurd, hence why this statement is in fact the correct turn of phrase.

Despite the “Have…Eat” version being more prevalent in today’s society, one amateur linguist in particular insisted on using the “correct” version in a manifesto he wrote. That person was Theodore J. Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber.

“The Unabomber” had been mailing and placing homemade bombs aimed at maiming people who were involved with modern technologies since 1978. The FBI had been trying to track him down for decades. Finally, in April 1995, the FBI had a break in the case when the Unabomber’s manifesto entitled “Industrial Society and its Future” was sent to major publications across the country and was, under the threat of violence, demanded to be released to the public. If it was with conditions met, he promised to stop his bombings.

In September 1995, it was published in the New York Times and Washington Post. In it, he derides that the industrial revolution has been a “disaster for the human race” and calls for a “revolution against technology.”

Additionally, he provides this phrase: “As for the negative consequences of eliminating industrial society — well, you can’t eat your cake and have it too — to gain one thing you have to sacrifice another.”

Upon seeing this phrasing in the morning paper, David Kaczynski finally decided his wife might be right and his brother really might be the Unabomber. For their whole lives, their mother would correct them and insist that this was the correct usage of the phrase. This and other similarities in Ted’s writing style and his political beliefs, convinced David he needed to speak up.

David passed this information, along with old family letters demonstrating Ted’s writing style, to the FBI who employed forensic linguistics to compare the manifesto to other pieces of writing Ted had given to his family. This information, and other stylistic evidence, convinced a judge to submit a search warrant.

On April 3, 1996, Ted Kaczynski was arrested by the FBI at his cabin deep in the woods of Montana. His own demand to be heard did him in. As the Unabomber would say, you can’t eat your cake and have it too.


http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/cake-eat/

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4. "Jesus, basic idioms need explaining??"
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And you missed the best example of it's use by Jeff Goldblum in Deep Cover.

But it means you can not posses a cake AND eat the cake. The act of eating the cake diminishes the cake.

Now, if you say "I can go by some more cake" then bully for you, fuckface. You've missed the point.


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5. "The way it's phrased doesn't jibe with modern English"
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I had the same confusion as a kid. My mom said I wanted to "have my cake and eat it too" and logical me thought "who doesn't want to eat the cake that they have?"

The word "have" is the problem in the statement. One must posses the cake (have) in order to eat it, so one can:

1. Have their cake
2. Then eat it.

"Keep" or another similar word might make the statement more clear.

  

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7. "So this is about SEMANTICS? "
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I understand how a child could not understand it - that's fine.

But if the OP is over - let's say 13 - then it's not.

The idiom is clear if you look at it NOT as a child - there are somethings that you can not HAVE and USE - using it means you no longer have it.

Other things that will confuse people if this does:
"A blessing in disguise" IS NOT a priest dressed up like a kitty cat.

"A penny for your thoughts" doesn't mean you're legally bound to give someone a penny.

"There are other fish in the sea" doesn't mean stop thinking about your ex-girlfriend and instead to go fuck a carp.

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20. "Not sure what c71 is asking in the OP, lol"
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trying to make sense of it as you are.

But yeah, some old saying can be confusing, but once one *knows* what is meant then it is what it is.

  

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23. "not about "knowing" this post is about "exploring""
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Jay-Z explored the statement with his line....so I was further exploring it.


yep

  

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8. "Jay-Z made a clever line about it. And.....reply #3 got into a whole"
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thing about it.....

so......


Thanks for participating but......obviously from Jay-Z's line to the reply #3 contribution, this is a subject that has had people talkin' for a while.


oh..........?


TOKPR would be: "even though Jay-Z had a clever line and reply #3 went into some strange direction on the topic, it CLEARLY is so "obviously" a "basic idiom" that it shouldn't be brought up" (because we bring up "so" many "important" other things here)


yep

  

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17. "The unabomber anectdote is pretty fascinating no?"
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9. "can't have"
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Tue Nov-13-18 12:43 PM by c71

  

          

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10. "your cake"
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Tue Nov-13-18 12:44 PM by c71

  

          

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11. "and eat it"
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Tue Nov-13-18 12:44 PM by c71

  

          

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12. "too girl"
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Tue Nov-13-18 12:45 PM by c71

  

          

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13. "girl...."
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Tue Nov-13-18 12:45 PM by c71

  

          

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14. "because...."
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15. "having two loves..."
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Tue Nov-13-18 12:46 PM by c71

  

          

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16. "just won't do.......girl........."
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6. "depends on how good the cake is..."
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it could go either way

  

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18. ""I love you like a fat kid loves cake"-guess he stay being ass out, huh?"
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19. "if the kid is fat, it would seem that his mother keeps re-supplying the"
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cake.


So......


Presumably the fat kid knows he can keep having and eating cake.


yep

  

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21. "Can't have a brand new car and drive it too."
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Make more sense now?

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22. "nah, the state of being "brand new" and "having" something isn't"
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equivalent.


because.....


like I've been saying over and over, Ma dukes (or any adult with money) can ALWAYS REPLENISH/RESTOCK/(or just bake up) some cake or pie. So presumably a person can always "have" some cake all their lives.


A person can't just keep buying new cars to always have the state of "brand new-ness" with cars.


See?

  

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