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"Jamal Khashoggi murdered -Trumps Benghazi II heating up (swipe)"
Thu Oct-11-18 09:48 AM by LAbeathustla

  

          

and supposedly Kushner is buddy buddy with the Prince and knew the Prince was after this guy and didnt warn him


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/11/politics/khashoggi-us-intelligence-saudi-plan-to-lure-journalist/index.html


Saudis discussed plan to lure Jamal Khashoggi to Saudi Arabia, US intercepts show

By Elise Labott and Gul Tuysuz, CNN
Updated 8:04 AM ET, Thu October 11, 2018


CNN)The US has intercepts of Saudi officials discussing a plan to lure journalist Jamal Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia and detain him, according to a US official familiar with the intelligence.

Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi journalist and critic of the regime, has been missing for more than a week after going to the Saudi consulate general in Istanbul to obtain wedding papers. Turkish officials privately believe he was killed at the consulate, an allegation denied by Saudi Arabia.

The official said it is unclear if the original plan was to murder Khashoggi or if something went wrong at the consulate and that he might have been killed during an attempt to kidnap him. The official said that getting Khashoggi to the consulate appears to have been a backup plan, because he couldn't be persuaded to fly back to Saudi Arabia.

The official said there is no hard evidence as to whether Khashoggi, a columnist for the Washington Post, is dead or alive.

Missing journalist's fiancée 'in a state of deep confusion and sadness'
The source did not say when the US became aware of the discussions. As CNN reported earlier this week, intercepted communications were being reviewed in the wake of Khashoggi's disappearance.

The official would not go so far as to say Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the operation but said that, although he may not have known the specifics such a plan couldn't have taken place without his approval.

US officials think it's possible the Crown Prince wanted Khashoggi silenced, but miscalculated the global impact his disappearance would have.
The Washington Post first reported the details of the intercepts.

US President Donald Trump is facing increased pressure over the Khashoggi case. Late Tuesday, a bipartisan group of senators wrote to the President, calling for the White House to determine what happened to Khashoggi and whether sanctions should be imposed on whoever was responsible for his fate.

The letter, penned by the top Republican and Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, triggers an investigation under legislation that allows the President to impose sanctions on individuals or countries that are deemed to have committed a human rights violation. The White House must respond within 120 days, setting out what actions it proposes to take.

Trump told Fox News in an interview on Wednesday night that "so far it's looking a little bit like" the Saudis are behind Khashoggi's disappearance but said it was too early to say how the US might respond. Blocking further arms sales to Saudi Arabia "would be hurting us," he said.

Trump said that US economic success was due in part to "what we are doing with our defense systems," and added: "Frankly I think that would be a very, very tough pill to swallow for our country."

Investigation continues

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters Thursday that Turkey "cannot remain silent" on the disappearance of Khashoggi.
"We are currently investigating the event in all its dimensions. The event took place in our country. We cannot remain silent in the face of an event like this because it is not a normal occurrence," Erdogan said while returning on a flight from Hungary. He said security and intelligence forces "have been looking at all dimensions of this" and are looking especially closely at the country's entry and exit points.

Turkish officials have said that a 15-man team flew from Saudi Arabia into Istanbul on the day Khashoggi entered the consulate, and were present in the building at the same time the journalist. The investigation has focused on CCTV footage which showed the men arriving at the consulate.

A Saudi source familiar with four of the 15 men told CNN that one is a former diplomat in London and an intelligence officer, and another is a forensics expert.
In a statement to CNN on Wednesday, a Saudi official said the kingdom "categorically" denies "any involvement in Jamal's disappearance."
"At this stage, our priority is to support the investigation, as opposed to responding to evolving comments not directly related to those efforts.

Jamal's well being, as a Saudi citizen, is our utmost concern and we are focusing on the investigation as a means to reveal the truth behind his disappearance. Our sympathies go out to the family during this difficult time," the official said.
Elise Labott reported from Washington and Gul Tuysuz from Istanbul






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2nd benghazi. 1st was the soldiers ambushed and deserted in niger
Oct 11th 2018
1
you absolutely right...so many fkng scandals i cant keep up
Oct 11th 2018
2
that shit got curved to begin with
Oct 11th 2018
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      it lasted a few weeks, which is a lot
Oct 11th 2018
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           I was thinking about this but I don't think it was a case of ...
Oct 12th 2018
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edited.
Oct 11th 2018
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Saudi Arabia is so awful and we'll never do anything about it
Oct 11th 2018
5
Senators push vote to block Saudi arms sales after Khashoggi disappearan...
Oct 11th 2018
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Turks tell U.S. officials they have audio and video recordings that supp...
Oct 11th 2018
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Saudi Arabia are largely responsible for 9/11. That didn't change the
Oct 11th 2018
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Apropos of nothing but
Oct 12th 2018
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How does all this happen INSIDE the damn embassy ?
Oct 12th 2018
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wait why not?
Oct 12th 2018
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Seems like the perfect place to do it.
Oct 15th 2018
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Anyone who knows the Trump-Russia case knows Trump's inaction on Khashog...
Oct 15th 2018
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2 sources tell @clarissaward and @TimListerCNN that the Saudis are prepa...
Oct 15th 2018
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saw that coming once trump said "Rogue elements" or whatever he said
Oct 15th 2018
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We were just going to kidnap him, we didn't mean to kill him
Oct 15th 2018
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Turkish official confirms to CNN that Jamal Khashoggi’s body was cut i...
Oct 16th 2018
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What’s the deal with cutting him into pieces?
Oct 16th 2018
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      I assumed it's so they could more easily dispose of the body
Oct 16th 2018
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      lmao, to hide the evidence
Oct 18th 2018
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Suspects in Khashoggi Case Had Ties to Saudi Crown Prince
Oct 16th 2018
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WSJ has DETAILED info on the tapes (location off killing, doctor telling...
Oct 16th 2018
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this story has me significantly fucked up
Oct 17th 2018
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beheading him sounds like some isis shit
Oct 17th 2018
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RE: beheading him sounds like some isis shit
Oct 18th 2018
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      this is true
Oct 18th 2018
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Of course Trump's talking up "innocent until proven guilty"
Oct 17th 2018
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i wonder if nikki haleys resignation had anything to do with this.
Oct 17th 2018
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i wonder if *andrew brunson's release had anything to do with this.
Oct 18th 2018
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      The timing is suspicious as hell
Oct 18th 2018
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More Khashoggi-MBS Links Revealed as Suspected Killer Dies in 'Suspiciou...
Oct 18th 2018
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might be one of the few conspiracy theories
Oct 18th 2018
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^^^ been waiting on these stories
Oct 19th 2018
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what
Oct 18th 2018
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i hope it turns out kushner was directly involved in some way.
Oct 18th 2018
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...but what about those e-mails?
Oct 18th 2018
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"other Saudi errors"
Oct 19th 2018
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      its so annoying when you accidentally kill a busload of children
Oct 19th 2018
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Holy Shit, they have found a way to blame this on a black man.
Oct 19th 2018
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Saudi claims that Khashoggi died in a ‘brawl’ draw immediate skeptic...
Oct 20th 2018
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WaPo raises prospect Pompeo’s not listening to Khashoggi tape—becaus...
Oct 20th 2018
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they gonna have to leak to the public at this point
Oct 23rd 2018
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How the man behind Khashoggi murder ran the killing via Skype
Oct 22nd 2018
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jesus.
Oct 23rd 2018
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Wow: photo of Khashoggi's son forced to shake hands with MsB
Oct 23rd 2018
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Reports; Body found in Saudi Consul General's yard
Oct 23rd 2018
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Saudi Arabia, in Reversal, Suggests Khashoggi’s Killing Was ‘Premedi...
Oct 25th 2018
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Gen. Ahmed Al-Assiri, the Saudi intel chief taking the fall for the murd...
Oct 26th 2018
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Wow...will he be executed?
Oct 26th 2018
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Prosecutor says Khashoggi was strangled and dismembered, but fate of bod...
Nov 01st 2018
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Did you hear the one about 2 Saudi girls found dead in NYC
Nov 01st 2018
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CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi’s assassinati...
Nov 16th 2018
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Mike Pompeo reportedly hand-delivered a plan to Saudi King Salman and hi...
Nov 20th 2018
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Abramson.
Nov 20th 2018
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Isn't it crazy how much the criminal activity is out in the open?
Nov 20th 2018
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      Yea it's mindblowing.
Nov 20th 2018
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there should be calls for his immediate resignation.
Nov 20th 2018
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Shorter Trump statement: Kill whoever you want, just keep the oil flowin...
Nov 20th 2018
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and buy your weapons from the US!
Nov 20th 2018
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RE: Shorter Trump statement: Kill whoever you want, just keep the oil fl...
Nov 20th 2018
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man. I don't want ANY of this smoke.
Nov 20th 2018
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yeah oil and weapons is secondary. Saudi prince likes him so he's cool
Nov 20th 2018
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Ron Wyden says that he'll introduce legislation requiring the U.S. Intel...
Nov 20th 2018
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POTUS is trolling people about a murder.
Nov 21st 2018
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Intercepts Solidify C.I.A. Assessment That Saudi Prince Ordered Khashogg...
Dec 03rd 2018
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After CIA briefing today Sen. Corker (R-Tenn.) says Saudi crown prince w...
Dec 04th 2018
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but will they sanction Kush & Trump or Khassogi?!?!?!?!?!
Dec 04th 2018
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'I can't breathe.' Jamal Khashoggi's last words disclosed in transcript,...
Dec 09th 2018
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Riot
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1. "2nd benghazi. 1st was the soldiers ambushed and deserted in niger"
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which woulda been a class 1 scandal, senate inquiry, resignations, etc
especially with the gen kelly lies and trump making the widow cry


but scandals & chaos are the new normal


this will get a combined 3rd of a news day cycle



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2. "you absolutely right...so many fkng scandals i cant keep up"
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nobody hardly talks about that 1st one anymore

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4. "that shit got curved to begin with"
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they suppressed the SHIT out of that story, likely because it would shed light on the proxy/shadow war going on.

you right.

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6. "it lasted a few weeks, which is a lot"
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but that was partly cuz the fallout became its own scandal/media circus

they just announced trump' dad laundered half a billion dollars to his kids and everybody shrugged. lets hear more political analysis from kanye instead



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>but that was partly cuz the fallout became its own
>scandal/media circus
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>they just announced trump' dad laundered half a billion
>dollars to his kids and everybody shrugged. lets hear more
>political analysis from kanye instead

... folks "shrugging" necessarily. Just that there's nothing that can be done about it right now that will have any lasting effect. So energy was put into Kav (which obviously failed) and now the midterms (which will also likely fail). No use spending time/energy/resources yelling at clouds about something we can't do shit about. We know Trump's people are who they are. They're hypocrites and don't care about the multitude of crimes this dude has committed and continues to commit. Gotta try and knock em out at the polls, it's the only way.

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5. "Saudi Arabia is so awful and we'll never do anything about it"
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Except buy more oil and send them more weapons to murder people in Yemen while we complain about how bad Iran is.

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7. "Senators push vote to block Saudi arms sales after Khashoggi disappearan..."
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/11/senators-saudi-arms-sales-khashoggi-895341

Senators push vote to block Saudi arms sales after Khashoggi disappearance
By ELANA SCHOR 10/11/2018 05:18 PM EDT


Senators in both parties are gearing up to force a vote on scrapping U.S. arms sales to Saudi Arabia amid mounting frustration over the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a critic of the Riyadh government.

As Republicans and Democrats raise alarms over Khashoggi, whose vanishing and potential killing have been linked to the Saudis by Turkish intelligence, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said Thursday that he plans to introduce a resolution of disapproval once Congress is notified of the next potential U.S. weapons sale to Saudi Arabia.

Murphy and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), his ally in pushback against the arms sales, fell four votes short of blocking a Saudi weapons deal last year — and Murphy predicted that they would fare better this time around.

“I don’t think that a military sale could pass the Senate today. I don’t think that it could pass the House,” Murphy told reporters.

Murphy and 21 other senators in both parties aligned on Wednesday to urge President Donald Trump to investigate Khashoggi’s disappearance and sanction those responsible — even if they hailed from the Saudi government. Murphy said, however, that he’s “very doubtful” that the Trump administration would slap on sanctions.

Trump said Thursday that he’s not interested in stopping arms sales to Saudi Arabia, $110 billion of which he rolled out during a trip to the kingdom last year. “I don’t like the concept of stopping an investment of $110 billion into the United States,” Trump told reporters, adding that the money from sales the U.S. lost out on would likely would flow to China or Russia instead.

However, any move that senators can make against Saudi arms deals couldn’t begin until Congress is formally notified of the next sale, which Murphy said he expects within the next 30 to 60 days. And that clock won’t start until an informal hold by the Foreign Relations Committee’s top Democrat, New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez, is relinquished.

A forthcoming portion of the U.S.-Saudi arms deal has “already been held for some time,” Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said on Thursday.

Menendez said Thursday that he plans to keep his informal hold going for as long as possible.

“Look, if the administration wants to blow the hold and violate the traditional norms, then they face the consequences of getting more resolutions of disapproval on the floor,” Menendez said in an interview. “And as it relates to the Saudis at this time, I think they’d better calculate. Because their calculation may be wrong, that they can sustain a vote. I think they might lose such a vote.”

Khashoggi was seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week before he vanished, and subsequent Turkish intelligence has pointed to Saudi culpability in his disappearance. While the Saudi government has denied any responsibility in Khashoggi’s possible killing, and Trump has described relations with the longtime U.S. ally as “excellent,” Corker warned that all the evidence he’s seen suggests the Saudis killed the journalist.

What the matter “feels like to me is Saudi Arabia is responsible, and that is dead. I hope he’s alive,” Corker said. “And it’s possible that some other country was involved. But everything points to Saudi Arabia today.”

  

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/turks-tell-us-officials-they-have-audio-and-video-recordings-that-support-conclusion-khashoggi-was-killed/2018/10/11/119a119e-cd88-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5f3481291f3e

Turks tell U.S. officials they have audio and video recordings that support conclusion Khashoggi was killed
By Shane Harris ,
Souad Mekhennet ,
John Hudson and
Anne Gearan October 11 at 7:36 PM


The Turkish government has told U.S. officials that it has audio and video recordings that prove Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul this month, according to U.S. and Turkish officials.

The recordings show that a Saudi security team detained Khashoggi in the consulate after he walked in Oct. 2 to obtain an official document before his upcoming wedding, then killed him and dismembered his body, the officials said.

The audio recording in particular provides some of the most persuasive and gruesome evidence that the Saudi team is responsible for Khashoggi’s death, the officials said.

“The voice recording from inside the embassy lays out what happened to Jamal after he entered,” said one person with knowledge of the recording who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss highly sensitive intelligence.

“You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic,” this person said. “You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered.”

A second person briefed on the recording said men could be heard beating Khashoggi.

The journalist has had long-standing ties to the Saudi royal family, but has written critically of the current government and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

The existence of such evidence would explain why Turkish officials were quick to blame Saudi Arabia for Khashoggi’s killing. But Turkish officials are wary of releasing the recordings, fearing they could divulge how the Turks spy on foreign entities in their country, the officials said.

It’s not clear that U.S. officials have seen the footage or listened to the audio, but Turkish officials have described their contents to their American counterparts.

Saudi officials have denied any involvement in the disappearance of Khashoggi, saying he left the consulate shortly after entering.

Turkey said Thursday it has agreed to a request by Saudi Arabia to form a joint committee to probe what happened to Khashoggi.

Mohammed has billed himself as a reformer and moderating force in the country, and he has become a key strategic partner in particular to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser.

Kushner has tried to promote Mohammed to skeptical national security officials, who have long viewed him as an impetuous and ruthless leader who has an overly simplistic view of the complex challenges the United States faces in the Middle East.

During a bill signing Thursday in the Oval Office, President Trump called Khashoggi’s suspected murder “a terrible thing,” but stopped short of assigning blame.

“We’re looking at it very strongly,” Trump said. “We’ll be having a report out soon. We’re working with Turkey, we’re working with Saudi Arabia. What happened is a terrible thing, assuming that happened. I mean, maybe we’ll be pleasantly surprised, but somehow I tend to doubt it.”

Within the White House, on Capitol Hill and among U.S. intelligence officials there is a growing belief that Khashoggi is dead and that Saudi Arabia is to blame.

That conclusion is driven in part by U.S. intelligence reports before Khashoggi’s disappearance that show Mohammed ordered an operation to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia, where he was to be detained. U.S. officials familiar with the reports described them to The Washington Post.

One U.S. official said there was no intelligence that showed the Saudis wanted to lure Khashoggi to the consulate in Istanbul. Intelligence officials and experts have speculated in recent days that the 15-man Saudi security team that Turkish officials say was sent to Istanbul may have intended to capture Khashoggi and bring him back to Saudi Arabia, and not to kill him.

The person who was briefed on the audio recording said it shows that after killing Khashoggi, the security team went to the home of the Saudi consul general, where staff were told to go home early. There is evidence of at least one phone call, as well, from inside the consulate, this person said.

Despite a growing demand for information about Khashoggi’s whereabouts, U.S. officials had few public answers Thursday more than a week after he went missing. The State Department said that it expects the Saudi ambassador to the United States to return from a trip home and provide information about Khashoggi’s status without delay.

“We have said to him that we expect information upon his return to the United States,” State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said in a briefing with reporters.

She added that the United States has offered to provide law enforcement resources to Turkey, but declined to say whether investigators were on the ground there.

On Capitol Hill, some lawmakers were frustrated that the White House hadn’t disclosed more information about Khashoggi before and after he disappeared. Some lawmakers said the administration should consider curtailing sales of weapons to the kingdom.

“Arms sales are certainly going to be, I think, a huge concern if there is responsibility that is irrefutable,” Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) said of any potential evidence supporting Saudi Arabia’s role in Khashoggi’s killing.

Gardner said that the Trump administration had left senators in the dark about intelligence pointing to a Saudi role and demanded that officials give lawmakers a fuller account of what they knew of possible threats to his safety before he disappeared.

“There’s a lot of information that we don’t know that we need to get. There’s an information gap that needs to be filled promptly by the administration, by the intelligence community,” Gardner said. “The immediate question has to be, what exists. The answer to that needs to be, acting on the information that we had, what did we do with it.”

Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that he had seen no definitive proof of who allegedly killed Khashoggi, but “everything that I’ve seen points to the Saudis . . . We have no evidence that points anywhere but to them.”

On Wednesday, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle wrote to Trump and asked him to impose sanctions against anyone found responsible for Khashoggi’s disappearance, including Saudi leaders. The lawmakers invoked the Global Magnitsky Act, giving the president 120 days to make a decision.

On Tuesday, Kushner and national security adviser John Bolton called Mohammed and encouraged him to be transparent about what Riyadh knows about Khashoggi, said officials familiar with the call.

U.S. officials, however, pushed back on calls to halt arms sales to Riyadh, calling such demands premature.

“I think they’re jumping to conclusions,” said Nauert, the State Department spokeswoman. “This is entirely a hypothetical situation at this point. We don’t know what happened. We don’t have the facts of the case.”

Trump also dismissed the possibility.

“They’re spending $110 billion purchasing military equipment and other things,” he said of the Saudis during the bill signingin the Oval Office. “If we don’t sell it to them, they’ll say, ‘Well, thank you very much. We’ll buy it from Russia.’ Or ‘Thank you very much. We’ll buy it from China.’ That doesn’t help us — not when it comes to jobs and not when it comes to our companies losing out on that work.”

Mekhennet reported from Istanbul. Kareem Fahim in Istanbul and Carol D. Leonnig, Karoun Demirjian, Ellen Nakashima and Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.

  

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9. "Saudi Arabia are largely responsible for 9/11. That didn't change the"
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relationship. I can't see how this will change much.


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13. "Apropos of nothing but"
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A shiver went down my spine when I read that there were 15 Saudis on the "hit team". That was also the number of Saudi 9/11 hijackers.

  

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11. "How does all this happen INSIDE the damn embassy ?"
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I've never been in one, but it doesn't seem like a place you could murder, toture, and dismember someone...

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they're little enclaves of that country

you can literally ship operatives in and out of it

it's literally the perfect place to do this especially for a non-democratic state like Saudi Arabia

various secured areas...it's perfect...they nabbed the footage

it was probably handled more cleanly than the marriage papers would have been

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15. "Seems like the perfect place to do it. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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14. "Anyone who knows the Trump-Russia case knows Trump's inaction on Khashog..."
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https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1051501994232430593

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1051501994232430593.html

Anyone who knows the Trump-Russia case knows Trump's inaction on Khashoggi is tied to a 6-nation "grand bargain." More proof—Khashoggi was banned from Saudi TV, newspapers and conferences for criticizing the Saudi Crown Prince's involvement in the bargain:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-donald-trump-journalist-banned-for-criticising-us-president-elect-a7456956.html%3famp

2/ I can't underscore this enough: the Khashoggi case is a chapter in the Trump-Russia scandal. Reporters must understand that the Trumps' relationship with the Saudis is inextricably tied to its relationship with and expectations for the Russian government with respect to Iran.

3/ Trump and Kushner figured out early on—well before the 2016 election—that they could enrich themselves via both the Russians and the Saudis if they dropped sanctions on Russia in exchange for Russia giving the Saudis what they wanted: a curtailing of Russian support for Iran.

4/ I've said before and will say again that the Trump Jr. meeting reporters most need to focus on with respect to Russia didn't take place in June 2016 at Trump Tower but in August 2016 at Trump Tower and did not involve Russian agents but agents of Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Israel.

5/ When Erik Prince met with the Russians and the UAE in the Seychelles in January 2017, it was at a *bare minimum* the *third* meeting to discuss a single topic: a six-nation "grand bargain" involving the Trumps (United States), Russia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, and Israel.

6/ Another meeting—the second, though there may well have been additional intervening meetings we don't know of—happened at Trump Tower during the 2016 transition and involved a secret trip to the U.S. by the Crown Prince of the UAE, who met with Bannon, Kushner, and a Saudi rep.

7/ Kushner's desire for a December 2016 backchannel—via a Russian SCIF—to discuss Iran with the Russians, and his secure backchannel to the Saudi Crown Prince via WhatsApp, are key parts of this. As is the backchannel between Bannon and Erik Prince that began during the campaign.

8/ The lobbying done by Tom Barrack, Mike Flynn, Rick Gates, and Bud McFarlane on giving Saudi Arabia nuclear tech, which led to Flynn's now-infamous "good to go" text at Trump's inauguration—and Trump's plan to drop Russia sanctions right after the inauguration—are part of this.

9/ Trump's IC knew the Saudi Crown Prince planned to lure Khashoggi to (at a minimum) a kidnapping and failed in its duty to warn him. Kushner spoke to the Crown Prince *about Khashoggi* the day before he was killed. This story is *not* going away, as it's part of a larger story.

10/ Don't forget: Kushner already stands accused of taking classified intel on Saudi dissidents from the presidential daily briefing his father-in-law gets and giving it to Saudi's Crown Prince on a surprise visit to Saudi Arabia, thus giving MBS a domestic assassination roadmap.

11/ George Papadopoulos told ABC he was still getting messages from Kremlin agent Joseph Mifsud in 2017, meaning the Kremlin still thought Papadopoulos had value as a Trump agent when Papadopoulos went to Israel the week of the inauguration. So what was @GeorgePapa19 doing there?

12/ Criminal conspiracies are necessarily small in their roster of conspirators—lest the chance of betrayal to law enforcement be too high. The "six-nation grand bargain" is a "theory of the case" in the Mueller probe that helps explain everything everyone was doing at all times.

13/ Why was Papadopoulos—still a Trump agent—telling Greek officials in December 2016 that he "helped Trump win the presidency" and had a "blank check" for any job he wanted? Why was he expected to join the State department—which Trump was about to use to drop Russia sanctions?

14/ If Papadopoulos' wife is telling the truth, and every trip he took was authorized, who sent Papadopoulos to Greece in December 2016 to meet with Putin allies, and then to Israel in 2017, where he met with (he says) people he thought were Israeli spies who offered him money?

15/ Why did Papadopoulos' January '17 trip to Israel come immediately after a 3-man meeting with Trump's incoming Chief of Staff and a top Putin ally in the Greek government (an anti-Russian sanctions crusader) at Trump's inauguration? Investigators don't believe in coincidences.

16/ Not everything Trump does is connected to the grand bargain—not even 15% of what he does is. But we're entering a period of time in which media and investigators being able to see *which* events connect to the domestic interests of the six nations will be a critical skillset.

17/ It's in that context that I say the Khashoggi assassination *must* be seen as connected to the Trump-Russia story by anyone who covers that story—because Khashoggi's fatal misstep was criticizing Kushner pal MBS on his plan to strike a deal with the Trumps and Russia on Iran.

18/ And I say "the Trumps" because we need to start thinking that way. "The Trumps"—meaning Trump Sr., Trump Jr., and Kushner—were one of the six parties in the six-nation bargain, standing in for "the United States." But their interest from Day 1 was solely their own enrichment.

19/ If Kushner (in the campaign) really "nixed" a meeting with Kremlin agent Torshin, why did Trump Jr. ("not" in the campaign) dine with him 72 hours later? Why did (it appears) Kushner and Gates "reject" the Israeli Zamel's proposals just weeks before Trump Jr. met with him?

20/ If Goldstone was just trying to use Trump Jr. to get a message to Trump Sr. in June 2016, why did Trump Jr. immediately bring in Kushner? And why does another attendee of that meeting say *Kushner* was engaged, animated, and angry (at the lack of Clinton dirt) at the meeting?

21/ In every criminal conspiracy, seemingly far-flung events are connected by the people involved, their interests, and the way certain decisions lead to later events. The only way Trump and Kushner slide on this Khashoggi assassination is if media doesn't connect it to anything.

22/ But it seems likely this is the *second* time Kushner violated government protocols in a way that assisted his pal MBS—the Saudi Crown Prince—in assassinating dissidents. And Kushner is only going to do that if the Trumps owe the Saudis or there's money in it for the Trumps.

23/ There's no non-clandestine, acknowledged U.S. diplomatic or security interest in assisting that Saudi Crown Prince in murdering his enemies. None. Zero. The Trumps could easily have said "we support you but want nothing to do with this." Instead, they appear to have assisted.

24/ The co-conspirator list in the Trump-Russia case isn't long. If you're in media and don't have a mastery of each conspirator's movements from mid-2015 (for the Trumps 2013) onward—including every known meeting with an agent from one of the six nations—you're behind the story.

25/ Flynn. Prince. Kushner. Trump Sr. Don Jr. Bannon. Papadopoulos. Sessions. Barrack. Manafort. Gates. Page. McFarlane. Second-tiers like Clovis, Miller, Stone, Schmitz, Gordon. Foreign agents like Mifsud, Nader, Zamel, MBS, MBZ, Torshin, Butina. It's not too much to learn. /end

PS/ Saudi Arabia needed two things from Trump in the six-nation bargain: unnecessary U.S.-Iran hostility (see Trump's lies about Iranian compliance with the nuclear deal) and massive military aid (see Trump's insistence that nothing block his $100 billion military deal with MBS).

PS2/ The $100 billion begins Trump's effort to help MBS get nuclear power/weapons. Why does he care? The Saudi blockade on Qatar forced the Qataris to "loan" Kushner $900 million and a Cohen client—Broidy—stood to get $1 billion in Saudi/UAE contracts. Was Trump to get kickbacks?

PS3/ The evidence suggests that Trump used Cohen as a money laundering apparatus for Russian and possibly Saudi/UAE money. Russians gave Cohen millions in "consulting fees" and in Saudis/UAE paying Broidy, his "lawyer" Cohen—also Trump's "lawyer"—could have gotten money to Trump.

PS4/ At the end of every decision Donald Trump has ever made in his life is a profit motive—same with Kushner. If you think suddenly their motives changed with respect to the endlessly rich Saudi Crown Prince, you are—excuse me saying it—yet another in a lifetime of Trump chumps.

  

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16. "2 sources tell @clarissaward and @TimListerCNN that the Saudis are prepa..."
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1051912600391479298

BREAKING — 2 sources tell @clarissaward and @TimListerCNN that the Saudis are preparing a report that will acknowledge Jamal Khashoggi's death was the result of an interrogation that went wrong, one that was intended to lead to his abduction from Turkey.


2/ One source: report will likely conclude that the operation was carried out without clearance and transparency and that those involved will be held responsible.

One source: report is still being prepared and cautioned that things could change.

  

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17. "saw that coming once trump said "Rogue elements" or whatever he said"
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already setting the table

  

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18. "We were just going to kidnap him, we didn't mean to kill him"
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What a shitshow

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19. "Turkish official confirms to CNN that Jamal Khashoggi’s body was cut i..."
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Turkish official confirms to CNN that Jamal Khashoggi’s body was cut into pieces after he was killed.

https://twitter.com/MarquardtA/status/1052245682428502016



"Two senior Turkish officials...noted apparent Saudi attempts to scrub the scene by bringing in cleaning crews and REPAINTING areas of the consulate. 'People who have nothing to hide,' one official said, 'don’t behave like this.'"
https://t.co/CnSIYLIiYV

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1052281167716773889

  

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20. "What’s the deal with cutting him into pieces?"
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Is it a sign of disrespect or to keep them from eternally resting?

ir just power and humiliation?

shut up already, damn

  

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21. "I assumed it's so they could more easily dispose of the body"
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Rather than lugging out something corpse-shaped.

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30. "lmao, to hide the evidence "
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legs out here ignoring the obvious reasons for mysterious ones lol

*sees body in the river*

legs: i wonder if they left him there to anger the River God Patrick Mahomes? Hmm

or is it bc his mother drowned in the river and they wanted to create a river haunted by family members

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22. "Suspects in Khashoggi Case Had Ties to Saudi Crown Prince"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/world/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-prince.html

  

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23. "WSJ has DETAILED info on the tapes (location off killing, doctor telling..."
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BOMBSHELL in #Khashoggi reporting

WSJ has DETAILED info on the tapes (location off killing, doctor telling others to listen to music, no interrogation).

• Saudis would now know if Turkey knows exactly what happened
• No interrogation taking place would mean straight murder 1/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dpq9AgsXUAAZTBM.jpg


Other implications:

Wall Street Journal report says tape indicates Khashoggi "killed in the office of the Saudi consul general"

That makes it even more suspicious that Consul General has left Turkey for Riyadh.

Didn't want to stick around for interview with investigators? 2/


If Turkey has tape like this, good luck to Pompeo-Trump-MBS covering this up. If Ankara wants to, could draw them out in their coverup story and then drop the tapes for world to see/hear.

Read @aaronstein1 analysis of how Turkey's playing this so far:
https://twitter.com/aaronstein1/status/1052304156579512321 … 3/


Here's the link to the WSJ report with tape's details.

Note it also says: "Turkish officials said they shared evidence in recent days, including the details of an audio recording, with both the U.S. and Saudi Arabia."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pompeo-seeks-answers-amid-crisis-over-missing-saudi-journalist-1539690270 … 4/


I'd hesitated in tweeting Middle East Eye story but its details of what's on tape are now consistent with WSJ.

Plus other specific details like "Khashoggi was dragged from the Consul General’s office...and onto the table of his study next door."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-khashoggi-829291552 … 5/5



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24. "this story has me significantly fucked up"
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Rest in peace Jamal


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25. "beheading him sounds like some isis shit"
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and the saudis are known for their beheadings and support of ISIS

  

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31. "RE: beheading him sounds like some isis shit"
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lol also sounds like some shit people do when trying to hide and dispose of a body...they cut his body into pieces...they usually just do the head in beheadings

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33. "this is true"
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thanks for responding

  

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26. "Of course Trump's talking up "innocent until proven guilty""
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MBS probably has a calendar and a signed letter from 65 classmates saying Saudi Arabia definitely couldn't have been involved. Probably a doppleganger.

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27. "i wonder if nikki haleys resignation had anything to do with this."
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her 'official'/public resignation was on the 9th...after it leaked to the press that she actually made her intention to resign known a week earlier. khashoggi was killed on oct 2nd.

us intel had intercepts of saudia arabia discussing plan to lure him and detain him before that too.

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29. " i wonder if *andrew brunson's release had anything to do with this."
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>her 'official'/public resignation was on the 9th...after it
>leaked to the press that she actually made her intention to
>resign known a week earlier. khashoggi was killed on oct 2nd.
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>us intel had intercepts of saudia arabia discussing plan to
>lure him and detain him before that too.


this shit looks like a trade. definitely will seal up some evangelical votes. Saudi Arabia is one of his allies, so why not give up the 'Christian troublemaker' (bynum) in exchange for the 'enemy of the throne' (kashoggi).

but that's just my hot take.

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34. "The timing is suspicious as hell"
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shut up already, damn

  

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28. "More Khashoggi-MBS Links Revealed as Suspected Killer Dies in 'Suspiciou..."
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https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/more-kashoggi-mbs-links-revealed-as-suspected-killer-dies-1.6572086

More Khashoggi-MBS Links Revealed as Suspected Killer Dies in 'Suspicious Car Accident'

The New York Times also tied Saudi crown prince to the alleged killers, citing that 'American intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that is culpable in the killing'

Haaretz and The Associated Press Oct 18, 2018 1:34 PM

A man who previously traveled with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s entourage to the United States entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul just before writer Jamal Khashoggi vanished there, according to images published Thursday by a pro-government Turkish newspaper.

The Sabah newspaper’s report showed the man also later outside the Saudi consul general’s home, checking out of a Turkish hotel as a large suitcase stood by his side, and leaving Turkey on October 2.

The report came as Turkish crime-scene investigators finished an overnight search of both the consul general’s residence and a second search of the consulate itself amid Ankara’s fears that Saudi authorities had Khashoggi killed and dismembered inside the diplomatic mission in Istanbul.

Saudi Arabia, which initially called the allegations “baseless,” has not responded to repeated requests for comment from The Associated Press over recent days, including on Thursday.

The Sabah report showed the man walking past police barricades at the consulate at 9:55 A.M. with several men trailing behind him. Khashoggi arrived at the consulate several hours later at 1:14 P.M., then disappeared while his fiancée waited outside for him.

The New York Times also tied the crown prince, known as MBS, to the alleged killers, citing that "American intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that is culpable in the killing."

CNN reported Tuesday that Khashoggi's killing in Istanbul was organized by a high-ranking officer with the General Intelligence Presidency, Saudi Arabia's main intelligence service, three sources close to the investigation told CNN late on Tuesday.

CNN added that "one of those sources described the officer as close to the inner circle of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman," who oversees much of Saudi Arabia security and intelligence services.

A report Wednesday by the pro-government newspaper Yeni Safak, citing what it described as an audio recording of Khashoggi’s slaying, said a Saudi team immediately accosted the 60-year-old journalist after he entered the consulate, cutting off his fingers and later decapitating him.

The same Turkish newspaper reported on October 18 that one of the suspects involved in the disappearance of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi died in a “suspicious car accident” in Riyadh.

The paper named Mashal Saad al-Bostani, a 31-year-old lieutenant of the Saudi Royal Air Forces.

Fifteen-man Saudi team

Previously leaked surveillance footage showed consular vehicles moving from the consulate to the consul general’s official residence, some 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) away, a little under two hours after Khashoggi walked inside. The Sabah newspaper showed an image of the man at 4:53 P.M. at the consul’s home, then at 5:15 p.m. checking out of a hotel. He later cleared airport security at 5:58 P.M.

Security services in Turkey have used pro-government media to leak details of Khashoggi’s case, adding to the pressure on the kingdom.

The AP could not immediately verify the man’s identity, though he’s one of the individuals previously identified by Turkish authorities as being involved in the 15-man Saudi team that targeted Khashoggi.

Images shot by the Houston Chronicle and later distributed by the AP show the same man was in Prince Mohammed’s entourage when he visited a Houston subdivision in April to see rebuilding efforts after Hurricane Harvey. The same man wore lapel pins, including one of the flags of Saudi Arabia and America intertwined, that other bodyguards accompanying Prince Mohammed wore on the trip.

The three-week trip across the U.S. saw Prince Mohammed meet with business leaders and celebrities, including Amazon billionaire Jeff Bezos, who now owns the Post.

The searches and the leaks in Turkish media have ensured the world’s attention remains focused on what happened to Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist who went into a self-imposed exile in the United States over the rise of Prince Mohammed. It also put further strains on the relationship between the kingdom, the world’s largest oil exporter, and its main security guarantor, the U.S., as tensions with Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East remain high.

Flying back home after a visit to both Saudi Arabia and Turkey, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo remained positive Wednesday about an ongoing Saudi probe into Khashoggi’s disappearance, but he stressed that answers are needed.

“Sooner’s better than later for everyone,” Pompeo said.

U.S. President Donald Trump, who initially came out hard on the Saudis over the disappearance but since has backed off, said Wednesday that the U.S. wanted Turkey to turn over any audio or video recording it had of Khashoggi’s alleged killing “if it exists.”

On Thursday, the Post published what it described as Khashoggi’s last column in honor of the missing journalist.

In it, Khashoggi pointed to the muted international response to ongoing abuses against journalists by governments in the Middle East.

“As a result, Arab governments have been given free rein to continue silencing the media at an increasing rate,” Khashoggi wrote. He added: “The Arab world is facing its own version of an Iron Curtain, imposed not by external actors but through domestic forces vying for power.”

  

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32. "might be one of the few conspiracy theories"
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i'm willing to ride for

hoping my trump bias and my hate against American diplomatic hypocrisy isn't getting the tin foil fitted ready

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41. "^^^ been waiting on these stories"
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they try to make the Trumpster administration look like mob figures

I've been waiting for Manafort, Cohen or Stone to mysteriously fall ill or completely disappear

MBS like...let a live tyrant handle that.

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35. "what"
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Mr. Kushner has argued that the outrage over Mr. Khashoggi’s disappearance and possible killing will pass, just as it did after other Saudi errors like the kidnapping of the prime minister of Lebanon and the killing of a busload of children in Yemen by a Saudi airstrike.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia.html

absurd times we live in

  

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36. "i hope it turns out kushner was directly involved in some way."
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dude gave classified intel to mbs that led to his purge/crackdown on the royal family and consolidation of his power. nobody remembers that.

mbs said kushner was in pocket. we are seeing the ramifications of that.
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37. "...but what about those e-mails?"
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Kushner and Saudi crown prince communicated informally on WhatsApp: report

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 10/17/18 08:48 PM EDT

link: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/411971-kushner-and-saudi-prince-communicated-informally-on-whatsapp-report

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White House senior adviser Jared Kushner raised concerns among administration officials by communicating with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman on private channels, including through the encrypted messaging service WhatsApp, CNN reported Wednesday.

Kushner's relationship with the Saudi leader reportedly raised concerns among national security staffers early on in his role but has come under increased scrutiny as U.S. officials monitor the findings of an investigation into the disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Once concerns were raised about Kushner's close ties to the crown prince, Kushner reportedly told others within Trump's team about his conversations with the crown prince, according to CNN.

CNN reported that Kushner, who is also President Trump's son-in-law, has worked "behind the scenes" to stay out of the spotlight and help handle the diplomatic fallout in the wake of Khashoggi's disappearance.

A White House spokesperson told The Hill in a statement that Kushner "has always meticulously followed protocols and collaborated with colleagues regarding the relationship with and all of the other foreign officials with whom he interacts.”

Reports have indicated that Kushner and Crown Prince Mohammed have developed a close relationship. The president's son-in-law and senior adviser met with the crown prince most recently in June to discuss the Trump administration's Middle East peace plan.

Kushner spoke with Crown Prince Mohammed last week over the phone to ask for more information about Khashoggi's disappearance. National security adviser John Bolton was also on the call.

The crown prince's image as a reformer has come under fresh scrutiny following Khashoggi's disappearance. Turkish officials have said they believe Khashoggi was killed in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul on orders from Saudi leadership. Khashoggi has been missing since Oct. 2 when he entered the consulate in Turkey.

Saudi Arabia has said it does not know what happened to Khashoggi, and the country is conducting a joint investigation into his disappearance with Turkish officials.

Trump on Wednesday said the U.S. has requested audio and video from Turkey related to Khashoggi's disappearance. The president again denied that he is providing cover to Saudi Arabia in connection with the Khashoggi case.

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38. ""other Saudi errors""
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Who hasn't accidentally hit reply all on an email or dismembered a journalist?

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it really is crazy what governments get away with.

the news cares more about if their PR strategy will work.

  

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40. "Holy Shit, they have found a way to blame this on a black man. "
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Well, a darkskinned person at least.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia.html


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42. "Saudi claims that Khashoggi died in a ‘brawl’ draw immediate skeptic..."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/saudi-claims-that-khashoggi-died-in-a-brawl-draw-immediate-skepticism/2018/10/19/e10d4186-d3ef-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa7603e47c59

Saudi claims that Khashoggi died in a ‘brawl’ draw immediate skepticism
By Shane Harris
October 19 at 10:47 PM

Claims by the government of Saudi Arabia that Washington Post contributing columnist Jamal Khashoggi died in a physical altercation inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul drew immediate skepticism and contradicted earlier dueling accounts from Saudi and Turkish officials.

The Saudi findings, which all but absolved the heir to the throne, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, increased pressure on the Trump administration to mount an independent investigation into Khashoggi’s death.

CIA officials have listened to an audio recording that Turkish officials say proves the journalist was killed and dismembered by a team of Saudi agents inside the consulate, according to people familiar with the matter. If verified, the recording would make it difficult for the White House to accept the Saudi version that Khashoggi’s death was effectively an accident. A CIA spokeswoman declined to comment.

In a statement issued early Saturday morning in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, the Saudis claimed that some number of unnamed “suspects” had traveled to the consulate to meet with Khashoggi, “as there were indications of the possibility of his returning” to Saudi Arabia. The journalist, a frequent critic of Saudi government policy, had been living in self-imposed exile in Virginia.

“The discussions that took place . . . did not go as required and developed in a negative way,” the statement continued, leading to a “fight and a quarrel” and a “brawl” that led to Khashoggi’s death. The unnamed suspects then attempted “to conceal and cover what happened,” the Saudi government claimed, without elaborating.

Current and former U.S. intelligence officials, foreign policy experts and lawmakers were quick to accuse the Saudi government of a whitewash.

“They’re buying time. And they’re buying cover,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) “They are seeking to, in effect, shift blame to a group of fall guys and confine the investigation to the Saudi government.”

Khashoggi had gone to the Saudi Consulate on Oct. 2 to obtain documents that he needed to marry his fiancee, a Turkish citizen. There has been no indication that he was going to meet with Saudis about possibly returning to his home country.

The Saudi government had previously said that Khashoggi left the consulate that day and that officials did not know where he was. Surveillance camera footage soon surfaced of Khashoggi walking into the building, but there was no footage of him leaving.

The White House did not immediately accept the Saudi findings, which amounted to the first official confirmation that Khashoggi is dead.

President Trump has privately expressed skepticism that the operation could have taken place without Mohammed’s knowledge, and the president has been told by a number of advisers that the Saudis would try to create a cover story that avoided blaming the crown prince, Trump’s advisers said.

But Trump is also wary of overreacting to Khashoggi’s death, his aim being to avoid aggravating an international crisis and rupturing U.S.-Saudi relations.

U.S. officials knew what the Saudis planned to say hours before they released their statement, a Trump adviser said.

“Trump’s inclination is not to ruin the relationship,” the adviser said.

But the adviser said that officials such Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) have warned Trump and his advisers that if they don’t react, the Saudis will see it as weakness.

“If they respected you, they wouldn’t do this and think they could get away with it,” the adviser said, reflecting a conversation with the president.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders issued a cautious statement.

“The United States acknowledges the announcement from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that its investigation into the fate of Jamal Khashoggi is progressing and that it has taken action against the suspects it has identified thus far,” her statement said.

The Saudi government announced that it had detained 18 unnamed individuals and fired five top officials.

“We will continue to closely follow the international investigations into this tragic incident and advocate for justice that is timely, transparent, and in accordance with all due process. We are saddened to hear confirmation of Mr. Khashoggi’s death, and we offer our deepest condolences to his family, fiancée, and friends,” Sanders said.

The Saudi government said it would take another month to complete a full investigation, which would be overseen by Mohammed. That decision also drew intense skepticism, since the crown prince has been tied to the operation that led to Khashoggi’s death, including through U.S. intelligence reports.

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said the announcement that Khashoggi “was killed while brawling with a team of more than a dozen dispatched from Saudi Arabia is not credible. If Khashoggi was fighting inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, he was fighting for his life with people sent to capture or kill him.”

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said the Saudi version of events changes “with each passing day, so we should not assume their latest story holds water.”

The official Saudi account did not explain what happened to Khashoggi’s body and was not supported by any evidence.

“This is the worst coverup I’ve ever seen,” said Bruce Riedel, a Saudi Arabia expert who served more than 30 years in the CIA. “Where is the body? Why did it take seventeen days to come up with this account?”

Khashoggi had recently told friends that Saudi officials close to the crown prince had tried to lure him back to the kingdom, but he said he believed that they would never guarantee his safety.

U.S. intelligence had also intercepted communications of Saudi officials discussing plans to lure Khashoggi back, an effort that was personally directed by Mohammed, a frequent subject of Khashoggi’s journalistic criticism, according to people who have seen the intelligence reports.

One of the two top officials whom the Saudis said had been removed from their posts, Saud al-Qahtani, a media adviser to the crown prince, had personally tried to persuade Khashoggi to return, assuring him that he would be safe and even holding out the prospect of a job working for Mohammed, according to the journalist’s friends.

“He said: ‘Are you kidding? I don’t trust them one bit,’ ” said Khaled Saffuri, an Arab American political activist, recounting a conversation he had with Khashoggi the day Khashoggi received a phone call from Qahtani in May.

It was not clear whether any of the Saudis that Turkish officials claim participated in the operation in Istanbul were among those whom Saudi authorities have detained.

The Washington Post has reviewed the passport information and photos of 15 men who Turkish officials say were part of the team. Some of them have links to Mohammed, the day-to-day ruler of the Saudi kingdom.

Five members of the team have traveled to the United States in recent years on trips that overlapped with visits by Mohammed, three more than were previously known, travel records and photographs show.

The proximity of their flights to movements by Mohammed suggests that the men are members of his security entourage, experts said, potentially complicating the ability of the government to claim that the killing was carried out without Mohammed’s consent.

“They’re security officials, almost certainly,” Riedel said. “From what I have seen in the photos of them with the prince, they are security and bodyguards.”

The Post obtained pictures of the passports of seven of the 15 Saudis on Tuesday and used that information to verify that one, Khalid Aedh Alotaibi, arrived in Washington in March, three days before the crown prince.

The Post on Friday obtained passport information for the remaining eight Saudis identified by Turkish officials and found that three others had also traveled to the United States on trips coinciding with travel by Saudi leaders.

Mustafa Mohammed M. Almadani, 57, touched down in New York three days after the start of Mohammed’s nationwide tour, shortly before the crown prince was due in New York City.

A year earlier, a similar scenario played out. In February 2017, Alotaibi and Fahad Shabib A. Albalawi, another alleged member of the team, arrived in Washington on the same day. Three weeks later, Mohammed met with Trump at the White House. Both Shabib and Albalawi left the United States in May.

In 2015, Alotaibi and a fourth Saudi from the alleged team, Thaar Ghaleb T. Alharbi, arrived ahead of a summit at Camp David attended by then-Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef and Mohammed, then the deputy crown prince.

The New York Times reported this week that photographs show a fifth man, Maher Abdulaziz M. Mutreb, with Mohammed during visits in the past year to France, Spain and the United States. Mutreb’s entry and exit records do not show any arrival or departure in the United States during the time of Mohammed’s U.S. visit.

Riedel said the lack of an entry report for Mutreb could mean he used a second passport. “Many security services provide multiple passports to their officers,” he said.

The passport records show that Mutreb visited the United States in July 2016, coinciding with a visit by Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will accept Saudi Arabia’s handling of the investigation, analysts predicted, given the seniority of the Saudi officials arrested.

“Erdogan is going to accept this,” said Soner Cagaptay, a Turkey scholar at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “Erdogan is smart. He knows Trump’s not going to rupture with the Saudis over this. He knows the limits the U.S. can push against the Saudis. He’s getting enough face-saving measures that he’s thrown not one but two big fish under the bus.”


Joby Warrick, Aaron Davis, Souad Mekhennet, John Hudson, Josh Dawsey, Karoun Demirjian, Andrew Ba Tran and Julie Tate contributed to this report.

  

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43. "WaPo raises prospect Pompeo’s not listening to Khashoggi tape—becaus..."
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WaPo raises prospect Pompeo’s not listening to Khashoggi tape—because doing so will box him in

“One diplomat who deals with the issue said that if Pompeo had heard the audio, it would be a ‘total game changer’ and require a much more forceful US response”
https://t.co/P6GWzBWrus


State Dep’t “officials have gone out of their way to deny listened to audio provided by the Turks...

By not reviewing those materials, the top US diplomat is not in an obvious position to refute or confirm the Saudi account, said diplomats familiar with the situation.”

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1053813406615121921

  

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45. "they gonna have to leak to the public at this point"
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if they do in fact exist

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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44. "How the man behind Khashoggi murder ran the killing via Skype"
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-khashoggi-adviser-insight/how-the-man-behind-khashoggi-murder-ran-the-killing-via-skype-idUSKCN1MW2HA

How the man behind Khashoggi murder ran the killing via Skype
OCTOBER 22, 2018 / 1:01 PM / UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO

(Reuters) - He ran social media for Saudi Arabia’s crown prince. He masterminded the arrest of hundreds of his country’s elite. He detained a Lebanese prime minister. And, according to two intelligence sources, he ran journalist Jamal Khashoggi’s brutal killing at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul by giving orders over Skype.

Saud al-Qahtani, a top aide for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, is one of the fall guys as Riyadh tries to stem international outrage at Khashoggi’s death. On Saturday, Saudi state media said King Salman had sacked Qahtani and four other officials over the killing carried out by a 15-man hit team.

But Qahtani’s influence in the crown prince’s entourage has been so vast over the past three years - his own rise tracking that of his boss - that it will be hard for Saudi officials to paint Qahtani as the mastermind of the murder without also raising questions about the involvement of Prince Mohammed, according to several sources with links to the royal court.

“This episode won’t topple MbS, but it has hit his image which will take a long time to be repaired if it ever does. The king is protecting him,” one of the sources with ties to the royal court said.

Qahtani himself once said he would never do anything without his boss’ approval.

“Do you think I make decisions without guidance? I am an employee and a faithful executor of the orders of my lord the king and my lord the faithful crown prince,” Qahtani tweeted last summer.

Qahtani did not respond to questions from Reuters. His biography on Twitter changed in recent days from royal adviser to chairman of the Saudi Federation for Cybersecurity, Programming and Drones, a role he had held before.

Prince Mohammed had no knowledge of the operation that led to Khashoggi’s death and “certainly did not order a kidnapping or murder of anybody”, a Saudi official said on Saturday. Officials in Riyadh could not be reached for further comment.

As the crisis has grown over the past three weeks, Saudi Arabia has changed its tune on Khashoggi’s fate, first denying his death, then saying he died during a brawl at the consulate, and now attributing the death to a chokehold.

A senior Saudi official told Reuters that the killers had tried to cover up what happened, contending that the truth was only now emerging. The Turks reject that version of the story, saying they have audio recordings of what happened.

The kingdom has survived other crises in the past year, including the fallout of the crown prince’s short-lived kidnapping of Lebanese prime minister Saad al-Hariri in 2017. Hariri, too, was verbally humiliated and beaten, according to eight Saudi, Arab and Western diplomatic sources. The man leading that interrogation: Saud al-Qahtani.

France intervened to free Hariri, but Western capitals did not take Riyadh to task for detaining a head of government - and Prince Mohammed emerged emboldened, according to these Saudi sources.

This time is different, with some Western capitals increasingly critical of the murder and the Saudi explanation.

Germany has announced it will stop arms sales, while Britain, France and Germany issued a joint statement asking for an “urgent … clarification of exactly what happened Oct 2.”

President Donald Trump has swung between saying he is unhappy with the Saudi investigation but also that he does not want to jeopardize U.S. arms sales to the country.

SKYPE CALL

To stem the fallout of the Khashoggi killing, the crown prince, commonly known by his initials MbS, allowed Qahtani to take the fall, according to one source close to the Saudi royal court.

A second senior Saudi official said Qahtani had been detained following his sacking by royal decree, but he continued to tweet afterwards. The sources with links to the royal court said he was not believed to be under arrest.

In the Khashoggi killing, Qahtani was present as he has been in other key moments of MbS’s administration. This time, though, his presence was virtual.

Khashoggi, a U.S.-based Saudi journalist often critical of Saudi Arabia and its leadership, walked into the Istanbul consulate at around 1 pm on Oct 2, to pick up some documents that would allow him to marry.

Turkish security sources say he was immediately seized inside the consulate by 15 Saudi intelligence operatives who had flown in on two jets just hours before.

According to one high-ranking Arab source with access to intelligence and links to members of Saudi Arabia’s royal court, Qahtani was beamed into a room of the Saudi consulate via Skype.

He began to hurl insults at Khashoggi over the phone. According to the Arab and Turkish sources, Khashoggi answered Qahtani’s insults with his own. But he was no match for the squad, which included top security and intelligence operatives, some with direct links to the royal court.

A Turkish intelligence source relayed that at one point Qahtani told his men to dispose of Khashoggi. “Bring me the head of the dog”, the Turkish intelligence source says Qahtani instructed.

It is not clear if Qahtani watched the entire proceedings, which the high-ranking Arab source described as a “bungled and botched operation”.

The Arab source and the Turkish intelligence source said the audio of the Skype call is now in the possession of Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan. The sources say he is refusing to release it to the Americans.

Erdogan said on Sunday he would release information about the Turkish investigation during a weekly speech on Tuesday. Three Turkish officials reached by Reuters declined to comment ahead of that speech.

The senior Saudi official who laid out the official version of events – that Khashoggi had got into a fight – said he had not heard about Qahtani appearing via Skype, but that the Saudi investigation was ongoing.

QAHTANI’S RISE

Qahtani, 40, has earned a reputation at home as both a violent enforcer of princely whims and as a strident nationalist. In blogs and on social media, some liberal Saudi journalists and activists dubbed him the Saudi Steve Bannon for his aggressive manipulation of the news media and behind-the-scenes strategizing.

Qahtani wrote odes on Twitter to the royal family under the pen name Dari, which means predator in Arabic. Some of his opponents on social media call him Dalim, a figure in Arabic folklore who rose from being a lowly servant to much greater heights.

According to his biography on his Twitter account, Qahtani studied law and made the rank of captain in the Saudi air force. After launching a blog, he caught the eye of Khaled al-Tuwaijri, the former head of the royal court, who hired him in the early 2000s to run an electronic media army tasked with protecting Saudi Arabia’s image , according to a source with ties to the royal court.

Tuwaijri is under house arrest and could not be reached for comment.

Qahtani rose to further prominence after latching onto Prince Mohammed, who was part of his father Salman’s court as Riyadh governor, then crown prince and finally king in 2015

Tasked with countering alleged Qatari influence on social media, Qahtani used Twitter to attack criticism of the kingdom in general and Prince Mohammed in particular. He also ran a WhatsApp group with local newspaper editors and prominent journalists, dictating the royal court’s line.

When Riyadh led an economic boycott against Qatar in June 2017, Qahtani ramped up his attacks on the small Gulf state. Online, he urged Saudis to tweet the names of anyone showing sympathy with Qatar under the Arabic hashtag “The Black List”.

The high-ranking Arab official and Saudi sources with ties to the royal court said Qahtani was MbS’s “bad cop” late last year when 200 people, including Saudi princes, ministers and business tycoons, were detained and put under house arrest at the Ritz Carlton in an anti-corruption sweep. Qahtani oversaw some of the interrogations, the Arab official said.

A KIDNAPPING

The extent of Qahtani’s power is perhaps best illustrated by the kidnapping of Lebanese Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri last year, several of the Saudi and Arab diplomatic sources said.

The Saudis were incensed at the inability of Hariri, a Sunni Muslim and a Saudi client, to stand up to their regional rival Iran and Hezbollah, the Shi’ite paramilitary movement that acts as Tehran’s spearhead in the region. Hariri belonged to the same multi-party coalition government as Hezbollah.

The Saudis were particularly dismayed that Hariri had failed to deliver a message to a top adviser to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, to stop interfering in Lebanon and Yemen. Hariri claimed he had delivered the Saudi message, but an informer, planted by Qahtani in Hariri’s circle, gave the Saudis the minutes of the meeting which showed that he had not done so.

The Saudis lured Hariri to Riyadh for a meeting with MbS. Upon his arrival on Nov. 3, 2017, there was no line-up of Saudi princes or officials, as would typically greet a prime minister on an official visit. Hariri later received a call that the meeting with the crown prince would take place the next day at a royal compound.

When Hariri arrived, he was ushered into a room where Qahtani was waiting for him with a security team, according to three Arab sources familiar with the incident. The security team beat Hariri; Qahtani cursed at him and then forced him to resign as prime minister in a statement that was broadcast by a Saudi-owned TV channel.

“He (Qahtani) told him you have no choice but to resign and read this statement,” said one of the sources. “Qahtani oversaw the interrogation and ill-treatment of Hariri.”

Another source said it was the intervention of French President Emmanuel Macron that secured his release following an international outcry.

Macron claimed credit in May for ending the crisis, saying an unscheduled stopover in Riyadh to convince MbS, followed by an invitation to Hariri to come to France, had been the catalyst to resolving it. Lebanese officials confirmed to Reuters that Macron’s quick intervention secured Hariri’s return.

Saudi officials could not be reached for comment about the sequence of events or Qahtani’s involvement. French officials declined to comment when asked about Qahtani’s role.

AN OFFER TO RETURN HOME

At least three friends of Khashoggi told Reuters that in the months after the journalist moved to Washington a year ago he received multiple phone calls from MbS’s right-hand man urging him to return to Saudi Arabia. Khashoggi had balked, they said, fearing reprisals for his Washington Post columns and outspoken views.

Qahtani had tried to reassure the former newspaper editor that he was still well respected and had offered the journalist a job as a consultant at the royal court, the friends said.

Khashoggi said that while he found Qahtani gentle and polite during those conversations, he did not trust him, one close friend told Reuters. “Jamal told me afterwards, ‘he thinks that I will go back so that he can throw me in jail?”

The second senior Saudi official confirmed that Qahtani had spoken to Khashoggi about returning home. The ambush in Istanbul seems to have been another way to get him home.

How much did the crown prince know about his trusted aide’s plan to abduct Khashoggi?

Most of the 15 hit-man team identified by Turkish and Saudi authorities worked for the kingdom’s security and intelligence services, military, government ministries, royal court security and air force. One of them, General Maher Mutreb, a senior intelligence officer, who is part of the security team of Prince Mohammed, appeared in photographs with him on official visits earlier this year to the United States and Europe.

The high-ranking Arab official and the Turkish intelligence source said it was Mutreb’s phone that was used to dial in Qahtani while Khashoggi was being interrogated.

Reuters tried to contact members of 15-man team but their phones were either switched off, on voicemail or no longer in service.

The Saudi official said Deputy Intelligence Chief General Ahmed al-Asiri put together the 15-man squad from the intelligence and security forces. Asiri was one of the five officials dismissed on Saturday.

Another key figure was Dr. Salah al-Tubaigy, a forensic expert specialized in autopsies attached to the Saudi Ministry of Interior. His presence – equipped with a bone-saw Turkish sources say was used to dismember the journalist – is hard to explain in an operation Saudi officials now say was aimed at persuading Khashoggi to return home.

It is hard to imagine that the crown prince could have not known about such a delicate operation, the Saudi sources with ties to the royal court say.

The Saudi official who spoke on Saturday said an existing standing order provided authorization to “negotiate” with dissidents to return home without requiring approval, but that the team involved with Khashoggi exceeded that authorization.

Another Saudi official close to the investigation said that Qahtani decided on his own to organize Khashoggi’s kidnapping and that he asked Asiri to get a team together, but that their plans had gone wrong.

Qahtani’s final act may be to serve his boss by assuming the responsibility for the crisis that has hit Saudi Arabia since Khashoggi’s murder. The Saudi king has sacked Qahtani and ordered a restructuring of the general intelligence agency.

To head it, he named MbS.



Editing by Alessandra Galloni and Simon Robinson

  

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47. "Wow: photo of Khashoggi's son forced to shake hands with MsB "
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b/w they tried to use a body double to make it look like he walked out of the consulat

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/remains-of-khashoggi-found-in-garden-of-saudi-counsel-s-home-sky-news-reports-1.6589232

Report: Saudi Journalist Khashoggi's Remains Found
Khashoggi's body was found in the garden of the Saudi consul general's home, according to Sky News ■ CNN reports say investigators found two suitcases with Khashoggi's personal belongings

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The remains of dissident Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi have been found, Sky News reported on Tuesday, with one source saying remains were found in the garden of the Saudi consul general's home.

Multiple sources suggested Khashoggi had been cut up and his face "disfigured," Sky News reported.

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Sources in the Istanbul Prosecutor's office denied that Khashoggi's remains were found at the consul general's home, adding that a picture on social media purportedly showing the corpse is fake.

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Crime scene investigators have found two suitcases which contained personal belongings of Khashoggi during a search of a Saudi consulate vehicle in Istanbul, broadcaster CNN Turk reported on Tuesday.

A Reuters witness said a Saudi team was accompanying the Turkish investigators as they carried out the search in a car park where the vehicle was found in Istanbul's Sultangazi district on Monday.

The report comes after remarks by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who earlier Tuesday said that Khashoggi's body hasn't been found.

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"As it is now clear, there was a murder — and it was clear from the beginning — then why was there a slurry of incoherent statements? And now there's official acknowledgement there was a murder, where is the body? Why do we still not have the body?" Erdogan, speaking before parliament, asked.


>> 'Bring me the head of the dog': How top MBS aide ran Khashoggi's killing via Skype ■ Turkey takes aim at MBS: What's driving Erdogan in the Khashoggi scandal ■ Like a mafia boss, Erdogan plans to milk the Khashoggi investigation for all it’s worth

Erdogan described Khashoggi's killing as "ferocious" and demanded that Saudi Arabia extradite those who killed him to stand trial in Turkey.

Intelligence sources told Reuters on Sunday that Saud al-Qahtani, a top aide for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, ran Khashoggi's killing at the saudi consulate in Istanbul by giving orders over Skype.


According to one high-ranking Arab source with access to intelligence and links to members of Saudi Arabia’s royal court, Qahtani was beamed into a room of the Saudi consulate via Skype.

He began to hurl insults at Khashoggi over the phone. According to the Arab and Turkish sources, Khashoggi answered Qahtani’s insults with his own. But he was no match for the squad, which included top security and intelligence operatives, some with direct links to the royal court.

A Turkish intelligence source relayed that at one point Qahtani told his men to dispose of Khashoggi. “Bring me the head of the dog,” the Turkish intelligence source says Qahtani instructed.

Saudi King Salman received Khashoggi's family members on Tuesday, with the crown prince in attendance, according to Saudi state media.

Erdogan also spoke with Khaashoggi's family on the phone, sending his condolences.

Reports of the discovery of body parts of murdered Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi are deeply disturbing, British Prime Minister Theresa May's spokesman said on Tuesday.

"I am aware of the reports, they are deeply disturbing ... the location of Mr. Khashoggi's body is just one of the questions we need answers to and as such we await the full results of the Turkish investigation," he said.


A recent stream of leaks to national and international media has increased pressure on Saudi Arabia, which is hosting an investment conference this week that many dignitaries have decided to skip because of the scandal.

After initially denying any knowledge of Khashoggi's fate, the kingdom gave a new story on Saturday, saying he died in a "fistfight."

Saudi Arabia said 18 Saudis were arrested and that several top intelligence officials were fired over the killing, but critics alleged that the punishment was designed to absolve the crown prince, the kingdom's heir-apparent, of any responsibility.

Turkey's foreign minister, meanwhile, said his country would cooperate with international bodies if they were to launch an independent probe into the Khashoggi's killing.

U.S. President Donald Trump said Monday he's not satisfied with the explanations he's heard about the killing of Khashoggi and is awaiting reports from U.S. personnel returning from the region.

"We're going to get to the bottom of it. We have people over in Saudi Arabia now. We have top intelligence people in Turkey. They're coming back either tonight or tomorrow," Trump told reporters at the White House before leaving for a political rally in Texas.

U.S. Vice President Mike Pence said Tuesday that the CIA is reviewing evidence regarding Khashoggi's killing.

On Monday, leaked surveillance video showed a man strolling out of the diplomatic post hours after Khashoggi disappeared into the consulate, apparently wearing the columnist's clothes as part of a macabre deception to sow confusion over his fate.


The new video broadcast by CNN, as well as a pro-government Turkish newspaper's report that a member of Prince Mohammed's entourage made four calls to the royal's office from the consulate around the same time, put more pressure on the kingdom. Turkish crime-scene investigators swarmed a garage Monday night in Istanbul where a Saudi consular vehicle had been parked.

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, meanwhile, said Tuesday the investigation into the killing of Khashoggi would produce the truth about what happened and that his country was committed to ensuring "that the investigation is thorough and complete and that the truth is revealed and that those responsible will be held to account."

Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir, in Indonesia, also pledged that mechanisms will be put in place so that "something like this can never happen again."

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-jamal-khashoggi-turkey.html

Saudi Arabia, in Reversal, Suggests Khashoggi’s Killing Was ‘Premeditated’
By Ben Hubbard and David D. Kirkpatrick
Oct. 25, 2018


BEIRUT, Lebanon — Saudi Arabia’s public prosecutor said on Thursday that new evidence indicated that the killing of the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi had been “premeditated,” suggesting yet another shift in the kingdom’s official story of how he was killed.

For weeks after Mr. Khashoggi disappeared on Oct. 2, Saudi officials insisted that he had left the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul alive and well that day. Later, officials hinted that he might have fallen victim to “rogue” agents of the kingdom.

On Saturday, Saudi officials acknowledged that a 15-man team had flown to Turkey to confront Mr. Khashoggi inside the consulate, and killed him there. But they said his death was an accident, the result of a “fistfight” — when he screamed, they said, one of the men put him in a chokehold, killing him accidentally.

The latest statement, which was announced through the kingdom’s state-run news media, said the kingdom’s public prosecutor had received new information from Turkey through a joint Saudi-Turkish investigation into the death. It also said that the investigation was continuing, making it unclear whether Saudi Arabia itself had concluded that the killing was premeditated.

The latest change is likely to cast further doubt on the kingdom’s explanation of what happened to Mr. Khashoggi. Saudi Arabia’s narrative has already been met with widespread skepticism, not least by President Trump, who called it “one of the worst in the history of cover-ups.”

The shift in the Saudi account coincided with a visit to Turkey by Gina Haspel, the director of the C.I.A. Turkish officials said Ms. Haspel was expected to receive access to an audio recording and other evidence that the Turks have said prove Mr. Khashoggi’s killing was a premeditated assassination ordered from the upper levels of the Saudi royal family. Sabah, a pro-government Turkish newspaper, reported on Wednesday that Turkish officials had already shared evidence including audio recordings with Ms. Haspel.

The timing of the latest announcement suggests that the Saudis may be seeking to revise their previous public explanation before Washington received and digested evidence that would further discredit it.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey on Wednesday called Mr. Khashoggi’s killing “premeditated murder” and asked a series of leading questions about who in Riyadh had ordered the operation. Turkish officials have leaked several details that point to premeditation, including the fact that a member of the Saudi team that flew to Istanbul resembled Mr. Khashoggi, dressed in his clothes and walked around Istanbul to create a false trail of security camera images that appeared to show the journalist alive.

The new revision will probably increase the pressure from lawmakers of both parties in Congress for the Trump administration to impose sanctions on the Saudi government, which is de facto led by the White House’s close ally, the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.

Turkish officials have said that the team killed Mr. Khashoggi soon after he entered the consulate and then dismembered his body with a bone saw, which they brought with them to Istanbul.

American intelligence officials have said that such a sensitive operation would most likely not have been carried out without the knowledge of Prince Mohammed, but it is not clear whether Turkey or the United States has evidence linking him directly to the crime.

The Turks have leaked to the news media the names of men on the Saudi team as well as photographs of them arriving at the airport and moving around Istanbul. Several have ties to Prince Mohammed.

Mr. Khashoggi’s body has not been found.

The Turks have said their government was withholding the claimed recordings of Mr. Khashoggi’s death from public disclosure to avoid exposing sensitive intelligence sources. Several former British and American intelligence officials who have worked closely with Turkey have said that its spy agencies almost certainly had audio surveillance inside the consulate.

For the recordings to have real usefulness to the C.I.A. or other agencies, the Turks would have to provide a full copy so American intelligence operatives can perform technical analysis and establish their authenticity. But even then, the recordings would most likely be of little value on the key policy question: whether the Saudi crown prince was connected to the killing, officials briefed on the intelligence said.

Why Turkish intelligence agencies had not previously shown their evidence to their close partners in the American government is a more complicated question.

Two political allies close to Mr. Erdogan had said in recent days that he did want to share confidential intelligence about the killing with the White House because he feared that the Trump administration might seek to aid a Saudi cover up, perhaps by sharing the information with Prince Mohammed.

But while Mr. Erdogan and Turkish intelligence officials distrust the White House, they believe that their longtime partners in the C.I.A. will be independent and nonpartisan, the allies close to Mr. Erdogan said.

The Turks would be reluctant to turn over evidence to the Trump administration “for fear of what the administration” would do with it, said Thad Troy, a senior executive at the business intelligence firm the Crumpton Group and a former senior C.I.A. officer with experience in Turkey. “So instead, the Turks most likely asked the C.I.A. director to come and view their materials there.”

Ms. Haspel, the C.I.A. director, speaks Turkish and previously worked as a top C.I.A. official in Turkey, where the agency collaborates very closely with Turkish intelligence services.

Bruce Riedel, a former C.I.A. official who is now a scholar at the Brookings Institution, said the director would not have made the trip unless she knew she would have access to the evidence.

“She wouldn’t go unless it was to see and hear what the Turks had or at least part of what they have,” he said. “Erdogan has put the ball in her court. He is playing this like a cat with a mouse.”

Speaking to reporters in Ankara on Thursday, the Turkish foreign minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, appeared to confirm that the Turks had shared the evidence with Ms. Haspel.

“We shared information and evidence, within the framework of law” with “those who wanted to have detailed information,” he said.

  

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50. "Gen. Ahmed Al-Assiri, the Saudi intel chief taking the fall for the murd..."
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Gen. Ahmed Al-Assiri, the Saudi intel chief taking the fall for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, hobnobbed in New York with Michael Flynn and other members of the transition team shortly before Trump's inauguration, according to The Daily Beast.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/saudi-arabia-not-fully-cooperating-with-khashoggi-investigation-turkish-official-says/2018/10/31/804bfc2a-dc78-11e8-8bac-bfe01fcdc3a6_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.277a9fbd7f3a

Prosecutor says Khashoggi was strangled and dismembered, but fate of body still a mystery
By Kareem Fahim ,
Tamer El-Ghobashy and
Louisa Loveluck
October 31 at 6:27 PM

ISTANBUL — Turkey’s top prosecutor on Wednesday laid out the most detailed description yet of how the journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed, saying ­Saudi agents strangled him almost immediately after he entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul and then dismembered his body.

But the new information did not address the question that has bedeviled investigators and been the subject of furious speculation: What happened to Khashoggi’s remains?

A senior Turkish official said in an interview that Turkish authorities are pursuing a theory that Khashoggi’s dismembered body was destroyed in acid on the grounds of the Saudi Consulate or at the nearby residence of the Saudi consul general. Biological evidence discovered in the consulate garden supports the theory that Khashoggi’s body was disposed of close to where he was killed and dismembered, the official said.

“Khashoggi’s body was not in need of burying,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive investigation.

While Saudi officials now acknowledge that Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate on Oct. 2, all they have said about his body is that the assailants gave it to a “local collaborator” for disposal.

The senior Turkish official said Turkish investigators do not believe such a figure exists.

A second senior Turkish official said that Saudi Arabia’s top prosecutor, Saud al-Mojeb, who completed a three-day visit to Istanbul on Wednesday, did not provide the location of Khashoggi’s body or identify any “local collaborator.”

Since Mojeb arrived in Turkey on Monday, “Saudi officials seemed primarily interested in finding out what evidence the Turkish authorities had against the perpetrators,” the Turkish official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss private law enforcement contacts. “We did not get the impression that they were keen on genuinely cooperating with the investigation.”

Turkish prosecutor Irfan Fidan issued his public description of the killing shortly after Mojeb left Istanbul, amid mounting Turkish complaints about a lack of Saudi cooperation.

Fidan said Khashoggi was “strangled as soon as he entered the consulate” in line with “premeditated plans.” The body, “after being strangled, was subsequently destroyed by being dismembered, once again confirming the planning of the murder,” Fidan said.

The Turkish statement used the word “bogulmak,” which can also mean suffocation.

Turkish officials say members of a 15-man hit team dispatched from Saudi Arabia killed Khashoggi inside the consulate before flying out of Turkey later the same day. The Turkish government says it has an audio recording of what transpired inside the mission. Although Turkish officials have played the audio for CIA officials, including Director Gina Haspel, Turkish officials have not released the audio to the public.

Saudi Arabia has provided shifting explanations about what happened to Khashoggi, a Saudi citizen, contributing columnist to The Washington Post and critic of the Saudi leadership, including the de facto Saudi ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. For more than two weeks, Saudi authorities repeatedly denied any knowledge of Khashoggi’s whereabouts, then abruptly changed their account, blaming the killing on agents acting outside the Saudi government’s authority.

Turkish investigators initially focused their search for Khashoggi’s body in two wooded areas outside Istanbul, guided in part by surveillance footage that Turkish authorities said showed Saudi diplomatic vehicles apparently scouting Belgrad Forest the night before the journalist was killed.

Last week, investigators suspended the search, focusing instead on the consulate’s grounds and the consul general’s residence. The search focused in particular on a well on consular property, where the assailants could have disposed of Khashoggi’s dissolved remains, the first senior Turkish official said.

Investigators last week also inspected the sewer system near the consulate, according to Turkey’s state-run Anadolu news agency.

Turkish officials, including President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, have repeatedly complained that Saudi Arabia is hampering the investigation by refusing to provide critical pieces of information, including the location of Khashoggi’s body. Turkey has also requested the extradition of 18 suspects who the Saudi government says have been arrested in the case.

Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir said the suspects will be tried in domestic courts.

On Wednesday, a Saudi official said the kingdom had not officially concluded that Khashoggi’s death was premeditated. “The public prosecutor has acknowledged seeing that information from the Turkish side. We have not said if that is true or not true. We are waiting for the results of the investigation,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not permitted to speak to the media.

The journalist’s death and the inconsistent Saudi explanations of his killing have unleashed a storm of international criticism, placing President Trump in a difficult situation. In addition to being a major purchaser of American weapons, Saudi Arabia sits at the heart of the administration’s strategy in the Middle East, in particular U.S. efforts to counter what Washington says are Iran’s expansionist policies.

Trump has said he is “not satisfied” with the Saudi explanations of Khashoggi’s death. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has warned that the crisis could affect regional stability. But there are few indications that Khashoggi’s death will fundamentally alter the relationship between the two nations.

On Wednesday, a group of Republican senators called on Trump to suspend negotiations for a U.S.-Saudi civil nuclear agreement.

They cited Khashoggi’s death, as well as Riyadh’s policies toward Lebanon and Yemen, as cause for “serious concerns about the transparency, accountability and judgment of current decision-makers.”

Although the Turkish announcement Wednesday appeared to partly illuminate what happened to Khashoggi, several central questions remain, including who ordered his killing and whether the crown prince was aware of the operation. While Riyadh has painted the killing as a rogue plot, Western officials say it is unlikely that something this complex could have been carried out without Mohammed’s knowledge.

French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Wednesday that his government would take “necessary measures” against those responsible for the journalist’s death.

“So long as those who are responsible and the circumstances around the killing are not made public, released and evaluated, we will go on demanding the truth,” he said.


Zeynep Karatas in Istanbul and Kevin Sullivan in Riyadh contributed to this report.

  

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53. "Did you hear the one about 2 Saudi girls found dead in NYC"
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after filing for political asylum?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46039480

Mystery surrounds deaths of Saudi sisters found in New York
31 October 2018

Tala Farea, 16, and Rotana Farea, 22, were found duct-taped together in the Hudson River
Police in New York are investigating the deaths of two sisters from Saudi Arabia who were found duct-taped together in the Hudson River last week.

Tala Farea, 16, and Rotana Farea, 22, were discovered facing each other and fully clothed without any obvious signs of trauma, police say.

Investigators say it is too early to determine if any crime occurred or if their deaths were caused by suicide.

The girls had recently applied for US asylum, police said.

The Farea sisters moved from Saudi Arabia to Fairfax, Virginia, in 2015 with their mother, and had a history of running away from home, according to US officials.

But investigators say it remains a "puzzle" as to how they came to be found dead on a riverbank more than 250 miles (400km) from their family's home.

The Saudi Consulate General said in a statement that embassy officials had contacted their family, and added that the sisters were students "accompanying their brother in Washington".

The Associated Press, citing New York police, said that the day before their bodies were discovered, their mother received a call from an official at the Saudi embassy ordering the family to leave because the girls had applied for political asylum.

The girls were discovered in Riverside Park last Wednesday wearing black leggings and black jackets and with duct-tape around their waists and ankles.

Police released sketches of the girls last week in an effort to identify their bodies
Police had originally theorised that the girls may have jumped from the George Washington Bridge, but ruled that out after finding a lack of obvious injuries which they would have sustained in the fall.

After releasing sketch drawings of the sisters, police were able to identify them on Friday, and are now seeking the public's help in learning more about their lives in the New York metro area in the past two months.

At a press conference on Wednesday, the city's chief of detectives said there are some "gaps" in the sisters' history, which investigators are trying to resolve.

"I'm confident that when the complete investigation is done we'll have a good idea of what exactly transpired," said Detective Dermot Shea.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-concludes-saudi-crown-prince-ordered-jamal-khashoggis-assassination/2018/11/16/98c89fe6-e9b2-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?utm_term=.51b900d85202&wpisrc=al_news__alert-world--alert-national&wpmk=1&noredirect=on

CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi’s assassination
Shane Harris, Greg Miller and Josh Dawsey
November 16 at 6:11 PM

The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, according to people familiar with the matter.

The CIA’s assessment, in which officials have said they have high confidence, is the most definitive to date linking Mohammed to the operation and complicates the Trump administration’s efforts to preserve its relationship with a close ally. A team of 15 Saudi agents flew to Istanbul on government aircraft in October and killed Khashoggi inside the Saudi consulate, where he had come to pick up documents that he needed for his planned marriage to a Turkish woman.

In reaching its conclusions, the CIA examined multiple sources of intelligence, including a phone call that the prince’s brother Khalid bin Salman, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, had with Khashoggi, according to the people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the intelligence. Khalid told Khashoggi, a contributing columnist to The Washington Post, that he should go to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to retrieve the documents and gave him assurances that it would be safe to do so.

It is not clear if Khalid knew that Khashoggi would be killed, but he made the call at his brother’s direction, according to the people familiar with the call, which was intercepted by U.S. intelligence.

Fatimah Baeshen, a spokeswoman for the Saudi Embassy in Washington, said the ambassador and Khashoggi never discussed “anything related to going to Turkey.” She added that the claims in the CIA’s “purported assessment are false. We have and continue to hear various theories without seeing the primary basis for these speculations.”

The CIA’s conclusion about Mohammed’s role was also based on the agency’s assessment of the prince as the country’s de facto ruler who oversees even minor affairs in the kingdom. “The accepted position is that there is no way this happened without him being aware or involved,” said a U.S. official familiar with the CIA’s conclusions.

The CIA sees Mohammed as a “good technocrat,” the U.S. official said, but also as volatile and arrogant, someone who “goes from zero to 60, doesn’t seem to understand that there are some things you can’t do.”

CIA analysts believe he has a firm grip on power and is not in danger of losing his status as heir to the throne despite the Khashoggi scandal. “The general agreement is that he is likely to survive,” the official said, adding that Mohammed’s role as the future Saudi king is “taken for granted.”

A spokesman for the CIA declined to comment.

Over the past several weeks, the Saudis have offered multiple, contradictory explanations for what happened at the consulate. This week, the Saudi public prosecutor blamed the operation on a rogue band of operatives who were sent to Istanbul to return Khashoggi to Saudi Arabia, in an operation that veered off course when the journalist “was forcibly restrained and injected with a large amount of a drug resulting in an overdose that led to his death,” according to a report by the prosecutor.

The prosecutor announced charges against 11 alleged participants and said he would seek the death penalty against five of them.

The assassination of Khashoggi, a prominent critic of Mohammed’s policies, has sparked a foreign policy crisis for the White House and raised questions about the administration’s reliance on Saudi Arabia as a key ally in the Middle East and bulwark against Iran.

President Trump has resisted pinning the blame for the killing on Mohammed, who enjoys a close relationship with Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Privately, aides said, Trump has been shown evidence of the prince’s involvement but remains skeptical that Mohammed ordered the killing.

The president has also asked CIA and State Department officials where Khashoggi’s body is and has grown frustrated that they have not been able to provide an answer. The CIA does not know the location of Khashoggi’s remains, according to the people familiar with the agency’s assessment.

Among the intelligence assembled by the CIA is an audio recording from a listening device that the Turks placed inside the Saudi consulate, according to the people familiar with the matter. The Turks gave the CIA a copy of that audio, and the agency’s director, Gina Haspel, has listened to it.

The audio shows that Khashoggi was killed within moments of entering the consulate, according to officials in multiple countries who have listened to it or been briefed on its contents. Khashoggi died in the office of the Saudi consul general, who can be heard expressing his displeasure that Khashoggi’s body now needed to be disposed of and the facility cleaned of any evidence, according to people familiar with the audio recording.

The CIA also examined a call placed from inside the consulate after the killing by an alleged member of the Saudi hit team, Maher Mutreb, a security official who has often been seen at the crown prince’s side and who was photographed entering and leaving the consulate on the day of the killing.

Mutreb called Saud al-Qahtani, then one of the top aides to Mohammed, and informed him that the operation had been completed, according to people familiar with the call.

This week, the Treasury Department sanctioned 17 individuals it said were involved in Khashoggi’s death, including Qahtani, Mutreb and the Saudi consul general in Turkey, Mohammad al-Otaibi.

The CIA’s assessment of Mohammed’s role in the assassination also tracks with information developed by foreign governments, according to officials in several European capitals who have concluded that the operation was too brazen to have taken place without Mohammed’s direction.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said his government has shared the audio with Germany, France, the United Kingdom and Saudi Arabia.

In addition to calls and audio recordings, CIA analysts also linked some members of the Saudi hit team directly to Mohammed himself. Some of the 15 members have served on his security team and traveled in the United States during visits by senior Saudi officials, including the crown prince, according to passport records reviewed by The Washington Post.

The U.S. had also obtained intelligence before Khashoggi’s death that indicated he might be in danger. But it wasn’t until after he disappeared, on Oct. 2, that U.S. intelligence agencies began searching archives of intercepted communications and discovered material indicating that the Saudi royal family had been seeking to lure Khashoggi back to Riyadh.

Two U.S. officials said there has been no indication that officials were aware of this intelligence in advance of Khashoggi’s disappearance or had missed any chance to warn him.

Khashoggi “was not a person of interest,” before his disappearance, and the fact that he was residing in Virginia meant that he was regarded as a U.S. person and therefore shielded from U.S. intelligence gathering, one of the officials said.

Trump has told senior White House officials that he wants Mohammed to remain in power because Saudi Arabia helps to check Iran, which the administration considers its top security challenge in the Middle East. He has said that he does not want the controversy over Khashoggi’s death to impede oil production by the kingdom.

One lingering question is why Mohammed decided to kill Khashoggi, who was not agitating for the crown prince’s removal.

A theory the CIA has developed is that Mohammed believed Khashoggi was a dangerous Islamist who was too sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood, according to people familiar with the assessment. Days after Khashoggi disappeared, Mohammed relayed that view in a phone call with Kushner and John Bolton, the national security adviser, who has long opposed the Brotherhood and seen it as a regional security threat.

Mohammed’s private condemnation of the slain journalist stood in contracts to his government’s public comments, which mourned Khashoggi’s killing as a “terrible mistake” and a “tragedy.”

U.S. officials are unclear on when or whether the Saudi government will follow through with its threatened executions of the individuals blamed for Khashoggi’s killing. “It could happen overnight or take 20 years,” the U.S. official said, adding that the treatment of subordinates could erode Mohammed’s standing going forward.

In killing those who followed his orders, “it’s hard to get the next set to help,” the official said.


John Hudson and Missy Ryan in Washington, Souad Mekhennet in Frankfurt, and Loveday Morris and Kareem Fahim in Istanbul contributed to this report.

  

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Mike Pompeo reportedly hand-delivered a plan to Saudi King Salman and his son, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) outlining a roadmap to help MbS shield himself from the fallout of the Jamal Khashoggi murder scandal.
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https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1064718127903268864

  

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56. "Abramson."
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58. "Yea it's mindblowing."
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60. "there should be calls for his immediate resignation."
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59. "Shorter Trump statement: Kill whoever you want, just keep the oil flowin..."
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61. "and buy your weapons from the US!"
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62. "RE: Shorter Trump statement: Kill whoever you want, just keep the oil fl..."
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This isnt just an oil story anymore

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-energy-iea/u-s-to-overtake-russia-as-top-oil-producer-by-2019-at-latest-iea-idUSKCN1GB0C6

The Seth Abramson thread posted above is pretty wild

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63. "man. I don't want ANY of this smoke. "
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I can't call it.

we're now the top producer of oil so our relationship in that area is coming under question.

then, there is the whole idea that if we say something then we might lose out on...what? 100 billion dollar arms deal over a decade?

but then theres the fact that the Saudis want the weapons so they can keep fucking up Yemen which is being called one of the worst humanitarian crisises in recent memory if not all time.

And then with each passing day true story of what happens has gone from "well, maybe, maybe not..." to "I've seen the videos" to my black ass actually seeing with my own two eyes the pictures of the aftermath of them breaking down the body

The CIA says "they did it". Trump is saying "Yeah but...thats the homie though"

So...its all a bowl of flaming dog shit.

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64. "yeah oil and weapons is secondary. Saudi prince likes him so he's cool"
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same reason he's going after the navy seal who led the bin laden raid.. "he's critical of me so fuck him and whatever he's done ain't shit".

hell, even Trump's lie that he's basing his reason for not criticizing McRaven on is that he preferred Hillary over him.


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65. "Ron Wyden says that he'll introduce legislation requiring the U.S. Intel..."
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Ron Wyden says that he'll introduce legislation requiring the U.S. Intelligence Community to publicly release an assessment of their findings regarding Jamal Khashoogi's murder.
https://t.co/rKx1D10ea2

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1065062239407722496

  

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66. "POTUS is trolling people about a murder."
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-donald-j-trump-standing-saudi-arabia/

"Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!"

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Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let’s go lower!

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67. "Intercepts Solidify C.I.A. Assessment That Saudi Prince Ordered Khashogg..."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/us/politics/crown-prince-mohammed-qahtani-intercepts.html

Intercepts Solidify C.I.A. Assessment That Saudi Prince Ordered Khashoggi Killing
By Julian E. Barnes and Eric Schmitt
Dec. 2, 2018


The C.I.A. has evidence that Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi crown prince, communicated repeatedly with a key aide around the time that a team believed to have been under the aide’s command assassinated Jamal Khashoggi, according to former officials familiar with the intelligence.

The adviser, Saud al-Qahtani, topped the list of Saudis who were targeted by American sanctions last month over their suspected involvement in the killing of Mr. Khashoggi. American intelligence agencies have evidence that Prince Salman and Mr. Qahtani had 11 exchanges that roughly coincided with the hit team’s advance into the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, where Mr. Khashoggi was murdered.

The exchanges are a key piece of information that helped solidify the C.I.A.’s assessment that the crown prince ordered the killing of Mr. Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist and Virginia resident who had been critical of the Saudi government.

“This is the smoking gun, or at least the smoking phone call,” said Bruce Riedel, a former C.I.A. official now at the Brookings Institution. “There is only one thing they could possibly be talking about. This shows that the crown prince was witting of premeditated murder.”

The existence of the intercepts was first reported by The Wall Street Journal, which reviewed a highly classified document on the C.I.A. assessment of Mr. Khashoggi’s killing. The leak of the secret report, according to officials, infuriated Gina Haspel, the C.I.A. director. It has also intensified calls by members of Congress to have Ms. Haspel go to Capitol Hill to brief them.

Mr. Qahtani has been one of Prince Mohammed’s closest advisers. When the head of the hit team, Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb, was recorded by Turkish intelligence saying “tell your boss” that the team had carried out the mission, he was believed by American intelligence agencies to have been communicating with Mr. Qahtani.

People briefed on the intelligence said they believed that the 11 exchanges between Prince Mohammed and Mr. Qahtani could very well have been the time when the aide shared the news.

Current and former officials insisted that while the communications are suggestive and reinforce the intelligence agency’s conclusions about the culpability of the crown prince, they are not the kind of definitive, direct evidence that President Trump has suggested would be needed to convince him that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing.

Such evidence, the current and former officials said, is rarely collected, and the C.I.A. and other agencies often make their conclusions based on imperfect information. The C.I.A. has told lawmakers that it has medium to high confidence that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing. Medium to high certainty is a level short of high confidence, and demonstrates that the agency lacks a recording in which the crown prince orders the killing.

The White House and Mr. Trump have shown little willingness to shift from their policy of continued support for Saudi Arabia and Prince Mohammed. Privately, even some Republicans on Capitol Hill who believe that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing have said they support the administration’s decision not to impose significant costs on Saudi Arabia, arguing that the kingdom’s support is needed to confront threats from Iran.

“Will the White House give up the cover-up of the cover-up? I don’t see any sign they are willing to change their tune,” Mr. Riedel said. “But this will certainly increase the pressure to get Gina Haspel to testify on the Hill.”

Members of Congress were unhappy that Ms. Haspel did not brief the Senate last week in a closed session alongside Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Administration officials had said Ms. Haspel could testify to Congress early next year, but congressional officials said they wanted Ms. Haspel to appear before Intelligence Committee members as soon as this week.

Senior C.I.A. officials have briefed leaders of the committees, but Ms. Haspel herself has not. The nature of the intercepts, whether they are from calls or text messages, is highly sensitive information, and the C.I.A. may be reluctant to share all of what it has collected, or how it did so.

It is not clear if the C.I.A. has the content of the communications between the two men. It is possible that American intelligence agencies know the substance of the communications, but it is also possible that they have collected only so-called metadata about them.

A number of other important questions remain unresolved. One is precisely what Mr. Qahtani was communicating to the crown prince in the 11 exchanges — the two men could have been in constant communication most days, not just at the time that Mr. Khashoggi was killed.

After the murder, Mr. Qahtani was stripped of his title of adviser to the royal court and was accused of contributing to the vitriolic language directed at Mr. Khashoggi. He is not, however, among those who have been charged in Saudi Arabia with his killing.

Mr. Qahtani, who was in charge of social media campaigns in the kingdom, has been involved in the power plays that have cemented Prince Mohammed’s grip on the country, including the detentions of royals and businessmen in the Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh.

Mr. Qahtani began working in the royal court a decade ago, and later emerged as Prince Mohammed’s chief propagandist. With his large Twitter following, he helped create a blacklist of the crown prince’s enemies and then marshaled mass social media attacks against them.

  

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68. "After CIA briefing today Sen. Corker (R-Tenn.) says Saudi crown prince w..."
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After CIA briefing today Sen. Corker (R-Tenn.) says Saudi crown prince would be convicted of murder within 30 minutes if he was put on trial for Jamal Khashoggi's death. Sen. Graham (R-S.C.) says he will not support further arms sales to Saudi Arabia while MBS is in charge.

https://twitter.com/MrDanZak/status/1070016959935365120



After CIA briefing, Republicans say 'no question' Saudi crown prince ordered Khashoggi murder

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cia-director-briefs-small-group-senators-saudi-crown/story?id=59598135

  

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69. "but will they sanction Kush & Trump or Khassogi?!?!?!?!?!"
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70. "'I can't breathe.' Jamal Khashoggi's last words disclosed in transcript,..."
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/09/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-last-words-intl/index.html

I can't breathe.' Jamal Khashoggi's last words disclosed in transcript, source says
By Nic Robertson, CNN
Updated 5:21 PM ET, Sun December 9, 2018

(CNN) "I can't breathe." These were the final words uttered by Jamal Khashoggi after he was set upon by a Saudi hit squad at the country's consulate in Istanbul, according to a source briefed on the investigation into the killing of the Washington Post columnist.

The source, who has read a translated transcript of an audio recording of Khashoggi's painful last moments, said it was clear that the killing on October 2 was no botched rendition attempt, but the execution of a premeditated plan to murder the journalist.

During the course of the gruesome scene, the source describes Khashoggi struggling against a group of people determined to kill him.

"I can't breathe," Khashoggi says.

"I can't breathe."

"I can't breathe."

The transcript notes the sounds of Khashoggi's body being dismembered by a saw, as the alleged perpetrators are advised to listen to music to block out the sound.

And, according to the source, the transcript suggests that a series of phone calls are made, briefing them on progress. Turkish officials believe the calls were made to senior figures in Riyadh.

Some of the details in the transcript seen by CNN's source have emerged in previous reports of the recording's content. But this is the fullest account of the transcript that has so far been published.

It is likely to increase pressure on the Trump administration, which has been determined to separate Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman from the murder, and sought to frame the issue as a binary choice between supporting or cutting off a key partner in the Middle East. US President Donald Trump has been at odds with the CIA, which, sources say, has concluded bin Salman personally ordered the killing.

The revelations also threaten to undermine a key plank of an initial Saudi explanation for Khashoggi's death, that it was a rogue operation that went horribly wrong.

The original transcript of the audio was prepared by Turkish intelligence services. Turkish officials have never said how they obtained the audio. The transcript would have been translated before it was shared with other intelligence services; CNN's source read a translated version and has been briefed on the investigation.

The office of one US senator, who has received a briefing on the investigation by CIA Director Gina Haspel, told CNN that the source's recollections of the transcript are "consistent" with that briefing.

CNN asked Saudi officials to comment on the contents of the transcript as described by the source, and to provide comment from those named in it. A Saudi official said: "The relevant Saudi security officials have reviewed the transcript and tape materials through Turkish security channels and nowhere in them is there any reference or indication of a call being made."

"If there is additional information Turkish authorities have that we are unaware of, we would welcome it being officially handed over to us for review, which we have requested numerous times and are still requesting. And, up until now; we have not received anything." The official did not address the transcript's characterization of the scene inside the Saudi consulate, nor Khashoggi's last words.

'You are coming back'

The transcript begins at the moment Khashoggi enters the Saudi consulate in a quiet residential district of Istanbul at lunchtime on October 2.

Khashoggi thought he had made a routine appointment to pick up papers that would allow him to marry his Turkish fiancée, Hatice Cengiz. But, according to the source, it dawns upon Khashoggi almost immediately that things are not going to plan, when he recognizes one of the men who meets him.

He asks the man what he is doing there.

According to CNN's source, a voice identified in the transcript as Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb, a former Saudi diplomat and intelligence official working for bin Salman, and known to Khashoggi from their time together at the Saudi Embassy in London, addresses him.

"You are coming back," the man says.

"You can't do that," Khashoggi replies. "People are waiting outside."

(Khashoggi's fiancée accompanied him as far as the consulate, with instructions to call associates if he did not emerge.)

Without any further dialogue, according to the source, the transcript indicates that several people set upon Khashoggi.

Noises follow, and very quickly Khashoggi is fighting for air.

In one version of the evolving explanations for his death, Saudi officials suggested Khashoggi was accidentally choked. But according to the transcript, CNN's source says, the journalist's voice can be heard above the noise, repeatedly claiming he could not breathe.

Despite his desperate pleas, the last discernible words the transcript records for Khashoggi are:

"I can't breathe."

The transcript notes more noises, and several more voices.

One of those voices is identified on the transcript by Turkish authorities as belonging to Dr. Salah Muhammad al-Tubaiqi, the head of forensic medicine at Saudi Arabia's Interior Ministry, the source says.

Aside from Khashoggi and Mutreb, he is the only other voice identified by name on the transcript.

As the transcript continues, it is clear Khashoggi is not yet dead.

The transcript notes the noises that can be heard on the tape, almost in the manner that subtitles describe moments in movies where there is no dialogue.

"Scream."

"Scream."

"Gasping."

Then, the transcript notes other descriptions.

"Saw."

"Cutting."

Tubaiqi is noted giving some advice to other people in the room, apparently to help them deal with the appalling task.

"Put your earphones in, or listen to music like me."

During the scene, the transcript notes at least three phone calls placed by Mutreb.

The transcript does not specify the moment Khashoggi dies.

According to the source, the transcript suggests Mutreb is updating someone, whom Turkish officials say was in Riyadh, with almost step-by-step details of what is taking place.

"Tell yours, the thing is done, it's done."

The word "yours" is taken by CNN's source to refer to a superior, or boss.

The transcript has been circulated to key Turkish and Saudi allies, including those in Europe, but only the United States and Saudi Arabia have received the recording itself, the source believes.

The working assumption among those allies is that Mutreb was talking to Saud al-Qahtani, bin Salman's closest aide, the source said. Saudi officials say al-Qahtani has been removed from his former position as media chief to the crown prince.

The transcript only records Mutreb's side of the conversation. Without a recording of that call, or more details of which number was called, further conclusions based on the transcript alone cannot be made.

A source close to the Saudi investigation into Khashoggi's killing told CNN that Mutreb and Tubaiqi deny making any phone calls.

CNN has previously reported how Mutreb, Tubaiqi and 13 other Saudis arrived in Istanbul by private charter jets and commercial aircraft on the day of and the days leading up to Khashoggi's murder.

Turkish surveillance video records the 15-man hit team arriving at the consulate shortly before Khashoggi, and departing a few hours later. A body double of Khashoggi dressed in Khashoggi's clothes is seen on CCTV leaving by the back door.

It is clear from the transcript of the phone conversation that the calls do not describe a terrible situation gone awry, or explain an unexpected set of circumstances, the source says. Instead, the caller appears simply to be informing someone of what is going on. Hardly, the source says, the actions of a panicked ringleader, but more the description of a situation going entirely according to plan.

The transcript is relatively short, given the time span it describes, the source told CNN. There is not much dialogue; certainly no hint of a conversation about why Khashoggi should go "back," and no suggestion either, as advanced at one point by Saudi officials, that he had been drugged by the hit team.

There is nothing in this transcript that the source could describe as a "smoking gun" -- a snippet of conversation or phone call that directly ties bin Salman to the so-called hit team, and to Khashoggi's murder.

But the lasting conclusion the source drew from the transcript is that Khashoggi's killing was a planned assassination by an organized team that carried out its job with ruthless efficiency, keeping someone in Riyadh informed at each step.

While the transcript provides no smoking gun directly tying Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to the killing, it seems to echo Sen. Lindsey Graham's sentiments after hearing the CIA's assessment of Khashoggi's killing.

Graham, who was among a group of senators to receive a classified briefing on the Khashoggi case, said earlier this week that he agreed with the conclusions of the US security services that bin Salman was implicated in the case.

"There's not a smoking gun, there's a smoking saw," he said.

  

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