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"Jamal Khashoggi murdered -Trumps Benghazi II heating up (swipe)"
Thu Oct-11-18 08:48 AM by LAbeathustla

  

          

and supposedly Kushner is buddy buddy with the Prince and knew the Prince was after this guy and didnt warn him


https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/11/politics/khashoggi-us-intelligence-saudi-plan-to-lure-journalist/index.html


Saudis discussed plan to lure Jamal Khashoggi to Saudi Arabia, US intercepts show

By Elise Labott and Gul Tuysuz, CNN
Updated 8:04 AM ET, Thu October 11, 2018


CNN)The US has intercepts of Saudi officials discussing a plan to lure journalist Jamal Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia and detain him, according to a US official familiar with the intelligence.

Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi journalist and critic of the regime, has been missing for more than a week after going to the Saudi consulate general in Istanbul to obtain wedding papers. Turkish officials privately believe he was killed at the consulate, an allegation denied by Saudi Arabia.

The official said it is unclear if the original plan was to murder Khashoggi or if something went wrong at the consulate and that he might have been killed during an attempt to kidnap him. The official said that getting Khashoggi to the consulate appears to have been a backup plan, because he couldn't be persuaded to fly back to Saudi Arabia.

The official said there is no hard evidence as to whether Khashoggi, a columnist for the Washington Post, is dead or alive.

Missing journalist's fiancée 'in a state of deep confusion and sadness'
The source did not say when the US became aware of the discussions. As CNN reported earlier this week, intercepted communications were being reviewed in the wake of Khashoggi's disappearance.

The official would not go so far as to say Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the operation but said that, although he may not have known the specifics such a plan couldn't have taken place without his approval.

US officials think it's possible the Crown Prince wanted Khashoggi silenced, but miscalculated the global impact his disappearance would have.
The Washington Post first reported the details of the intercepts.

US President Donald Trump is facing increased pressure over the Khashoggi case. Late Tuesday, a bipartisan group of senators wrote to the President, calling for the White House to determine what happened to Khashoggi and whether sanctions should be imposed on whoever was responsible for his fate.

The letter, penned by the top Republican and Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, triggers an investigation under legislation that allows the President to impose sanctions on individuals or countries that are deemed to have committed a human rights violation. The White House must respond within 120 days, setting out what actions it proposes to take.

Trump told Fox News in an interview on Wednesday night that "so far it's looking a little bit like" the Saudis are behind Khashoggi's disappearance but said it was too early to say how the US might respond. Blocking further arms sales to Saudi Arabia "would be hurting us," he said.

Trump said that US economic success was due in part to "what we are doing with our defense systems," and added: "Frankly I think that would be a very, very tough pill to swallow for our country."

Investigation continues

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters Thursday that Turkey "cannot remain silent" on the disappearance of Khashoggi.
"We are currently investigating the event in all its dimensions. The event took place in our country. We cannot remain silent in the face of an event like this because it is not a normal occurrence," Erdogan said while returning on a flight from Hungary. He said security and intelligence forces "have been looking at all dimensions of this" and are looking especially closely at the country's entry and exit points.

Turkish officials have said that a 15-man team flew from Saudi Arabia into Istanbul on the day Khashoggi entered the consulate, and were present in the building at the same time the journalist. The investigation has focused on CCTV footage which showed the men arriving at the consulate.

A Saudi source familiar with four of the 15 men told CNN that one is a former diplomat in London and an intelligence officer, and another is a forensics expert.
In a statement to CNN on Wednesday, a Saudi official said the kingdom "categorically" denies "any involvement in Jamal's disappearance."
"At this stage, our priority is to support the investigation, as opposed to responding to evolving comments not directly related to those efforts.

Jamal's well being, as a Saudi citizen, is our utmost concern and we are focusing on the investigation as a means to reveal the truth behind his disappearance. Our sympathies go out to the family during this difficult time," the official said.
Elise Labott reported from Washington and Gul Tuysuz from Istanbul






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2nd benghazi. 1st was the soldiers ambushed and deserted in niger
Oct 11th 2018
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you absolutely right...so many fkng scandals i cant keep up
Oct 11th 2018
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that shit got curved to begin with
Oct 11th 2018
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      it lasted a few weeks, which is a lot
Oct 11th 2018
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           I was thinking about this but I don't think it was a case of ...
Oct 12th 2018
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edited.
Oct 11th 2018
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Saudi Arabia is so awful and we'll never do anything about it
Oct 11th 2018
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Senators push vote to block Saudi arms sales after Khashoggi disappearan...
Oct 11th 2018
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Turks tell U.S. officials they have audio and video recordings that supp...
Oct 11th 2018
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Saudi Arabia are largely responsible for 9/11. That didn't change the
Oct 11th 2018
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Apropos of nothing but
Oct 12th 2018
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How does all this happen INSIDE the damn embassy ?
Oct 12th 2018
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wait why not?
Oct 12th 2018
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Seems like the perfect place to do it.
Oct 15th 2018
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Anyone who knows the Trump-Russia case knows Trump's inaction on Khashog...
Oct 15th 2018
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2 sources tell @clarissaward and @TimListerCNN that the Saudis are prepa...
Oct 15th 2018
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saw that coming once trump said "Rogue elements" or whatever he said
Oct 15th 2018
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We were just going to kidnap him, we didn't mean to kill him
Oct 15th 2018
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Turkish official confirms to CNN that Jamal Khashoggi’s body was cut i...
Oct 16th 2018
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What’s the deal with cutting him into pieces?
Oct 16th 2018
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      I assumed it's so they could more easily dispose of the body
Oct 16th 2018
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      lmao, to hide the evidence
Oct 18th 2018
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Suspects in Khashoggi Case Had Ties to Saudi Crown Prince
Oct 16th 2018
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WSJ has DETAILED info on the tapes (location off killing, doctor telling...
Oct 16th 2018
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this story has me significantly fucked up
Oct 17th 2018
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beheading him sounds like some isis shit
Oct 17th 2018
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RE: beheading him sounds like some isis shit
Oct 18th 2018
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      this is true
Oct 18th 2018
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Of course Trump's talking up "innocent until proven guilty"
Oct 17th 2018
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i wonder if nikki haleys resignation had anything to do with this.
Oct 17th 2018
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i wonder if *andrew brunson's release had anything to do with this.
Oct 18th 2018
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      The timing is suspicious as hell
Oct 18th 2018
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More Khashoggi-MBS Links Revealed as Suspected Killer Dies in 'Suspiciou...
Oct 18th 2018
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might be one of the few conspiracy theories
Oct 18th 2018
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^^^ been waiting on these stories
Oct 19th 2018
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what
Oct 18th 2018
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i hope it turns out kushner was directly involved in some way.
Oct 18th 2018
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...but what about those e-mails?
Oct 18th 2018
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"other Saudi errors"
Oct 19th 2018
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      its so annoying when you accidentally kill a busload of children
Oct 19th 2018
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Holy Shit, they have found a way to blame this on a black man.
Oct 19th 2018
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Saudi claims that Khashoggi died in a ‘brawl’ draw immediate skeptic...
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Riot
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1. "2nd benghazi. 1st was the soldiers ambushed and deserted in niger"
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which woulda been a class 1 scandal, senate inquiry, resignations, etc
especially with the gen kelly lies and trump making the widow cry


but scandals & chaos are the new normal


this will get a combined 3rd of a news day cycle



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2. "you absolutely right...so many fkng scandals i cant keep up"
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nobody hardly talks about that 1st one anymore

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4. "that shit got curved to begin with"
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they suppressed the SHIT out of that story, likely because it would shed light on the proxy/shadow war going on.

you right.

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6. "it lasted a few weeks, which is a lot"
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but that was partly cuz the fallout became its own scandal/media circus

they just announced trump' dad laundered half a billion dollars to his kids and everybody shrugged. lets hear more political analysis from kanye instead



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>but that was partly cuz the fallout became its own
>scandal/media circus
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>they just announced trump' dad laundered half a billion
>dollars to his kids and everybody shrugged. lets hear more
>political analysis from kanye instead

... folks "shrugging" necessarily. Just that there's nothing that can be done about it right now that will have any lasting effect. So energy was put into Kav (which obviously failed) and now the midterms (which will also likely fail). No use spending time/energy/resources yelling at clouds about something we can't do shit about. We know Trump's people are who they are. They're hypocrites and don't care about the multitude of crimes this dude has committed and continues to commit. Gotta try and knock em out at the polls, it's the only way.

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5. "Saudi Arabia is so awful and we'll never do anything about it"
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Except buy more oil and send them more weapons to murder people in Yemen while we complain about how bad Iran is.

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7. "Senators push vote to block Saudi arms sales after Khashoggi disappearan..."
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/11/senators-saudi-arms-sales-khashoggi-895341

Senators push vote to block Saudi arms sales after Khashoggi disappearance
By ELANA SCHOR 10/11/2018 05:18 PM EDT


Senators in both parties are gearing up to force a vote on scrapping U.S. arms sales to Saudi Arabia amid mounting frustration over the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a critic of the Riyadh government.

As Republicans and Democrats raise alarms over Khashoggi, whose vanishing and potential killing have been linked to the Saudis by Turkish intelligence, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said Thursday that he plans to introduce a resolution of disapproval once Congress is notified of the next potential U.S. weapons sale to Saudi Arabia.

Murphy and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), his ally in pushback against the arms sales, fell four votes short of blocking a Saudi weapons deal last year — and Murphy predicted that they would fare better this time around.

“I don’t think that a military sale could pass the Senate today. I don’t think that it could pass the House,” Murphy told reporters.

Murphy and 21 other senators in both parties aligned on Wednesday to urge President Donald Trump to investigate Khashoggi’s disappearance and sanction those responsible — even if they hailed from the Saudi government. Murphy said, however, that he’s “very doubtful” that the Trump administration would slap on sanctions.

Trump said Thursday that he’s not interested in stopping arms sales to Saudi Arabia, $110 billion of which he rolled out during a trip to the kingdom last year. “I don’t like the concept of stopping an investment of $110 billion into the United States,” Trump told reporters, adding that the money from sales the U.S. lost out on would likely would flow to China or Russia instead.

However, any move that senators can make against Saudi arms deals couldn’t begin until Congress is formally notified of the next sale, which Murphy said he expects within the next 30 to 60 days. And that clock won’t start until an informal hold by the Foreign Relations Committee’s top Democrat, New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez, is relinquished.

A forthcoming portion of the U.S.-Saudi arms deal has “already been held for some time,” Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said on Thursday.

Menendez said Thursday that he plans to keep his informal hold going for as long as possible.

“Look, if the administration wants to blow the hold and violate the traditional norms, then they face the consequences of getting more resolutions of disapproval on the floor,” Menendez said in an interview. “And as it relates to the Saudis at this time, I think they’d better calculate. Because their calculation may be wrong, that they can sustain a vote. I think they might lose such a vote.”

Khashoggi was seen entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week before he vanished, and subsequent Turkish intelligence has pointed to Saudi culpability in his disappearance. While the Saudi government has denied any responsibility in Khashoggi’s possible killing, and Trump has described relations with the longtime U.S. ally as “excellent,” Corker warned that all the evidence he’s seen suggests the Saudis killed the journalist.

What the matter “feels like to me is Saudi Arabia is responsible, and that is dead. I hope he’s alive,” Corker said. “And it’s possible that some other country was involved. But everything points to Saudi Arabia today.”

  

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/turks-tell-us-officials-they-have-audio-and-video-recordings-that-support-conclusion-khashoggi-was-killed/2018/10/11/119a119e-cd88-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5f3481291f3e

Turks tell U.S. officials they have audio and video recordings that support conclusion Khashoggi was killed
By Shane Harris ,
Souad Mekhennet ,
John Hudson and
Anne Gearan October 11 at 7:36 PM


The Turkish government has told U.S. officials that it has audio and video recordings that prove Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul this month, according to U.S. and Turkish officials.

The recordings show that a Saudi security team detained Khashoggi in the consulate after he walked in Oct. 2 to obtain an official document before his upcoming wedding, then killed him and dismembered his body, the officials said.

The audio recording in particular provides some of the most persuasive and gruesome evidence that the Saudi team is responsible for Khashoggi’s death, the officials said.

“The voice recording from inside the embassy lays out what happened to Jamal after he entered,” said one person with knowledge of the recording who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss highly sensitive intelligence.

“You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic,” this person said. “You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered.”

A second person briefed on the recording said men could be heard beating Khashoggi.

The journalist has had long-standing ties to the Saudi royal family, but has written critically of the current government and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

The existence of such evidence would explain why Turkish officials were quick to blame Saudi Arabia for Khashoggi’s killing. But Turkish officials are wary of releasing the recordings, fearing they could divulge how the Turks spy on foreign entities in their country, the officials said.

It’s not clear that U.S. officials have seen the footage or listened to the audio, but Turkish officials have described their contents to their American counterparts.

Saudi officials have denied any involvement in the disappearance of Khashoggi, saying he left the consulate shortly after entering.

Turkey said Thursday it has agreed to a request by Saudi Arabia to form a joint committee to probe what happened to Khashoggi.

Mohammed has billed himself as a reformer and moderating force in the country, and he has become a key strategic partner in particular to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser.

Kushner has tried to promote Mohammed to skeptical national security officials, who have long viewed him as an impetuous and ruthless leader who has an overly simplistic view of the complex challenges the United States faces in the Middle East.

During a bill signing Thursday in the Oval Office, President Trump called Khashoggi’s suspected murder “a terrible thing,” but stopped short of assigning blame.

“We’re looking at it very strongly,” Trump said. “We’ll be having a report out soon. We’re working with Turkey, we’re working with Saudi Arabia. What happened is a terrible thing, assuming that happened. I mean, maybe we’ll be pleasantly surprised, but somehow I tend to doubt it.”

Within the White House, on Capitol Hill and among U.S. intelligence officials there is a growing belief that Khashoggi is dead and that Saudi Arabia is to blame.

That conclusion is driven in part by U.S. intelligence reports before Khashoggi’s disappearance that show Mohammed ordered an operation to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia, where he was to be detained. U.S. officials familiar with the reports described them to The Washington Post.

One U.S. official said there was no intelligence that showed the Saudis wanted to lure Khashoggi to the consulate in Istanbul. Intelligence officials and experts have speculated in recent days that the 15-man Saudi security team that Turkish officials say was sent to Istanbul may have intended to capture Khashoggi and bring him back to Saudi Arabia, and not to kill him.

The person who was briefed on the audio recording said it shows that after killing Khashoggi, the security team went to the home of the Saudi consul general, where staff were told to go home early. There is evidence of at least one phone call, as well, from inside the consulate, this person said.

Despite a growing demand for information about Khashoggi’s whereabouts, U.S. officials had few public answers Thursday more than a week after he went missing. The State Department said that it expects the Saudi ambassador to the United States to return from a trip home and provide information about Khashoggi’s status without delay.

“We have said to him that we expect information upon his return to the United States,” State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said in a briefing with reporters.

She added that the United States has offered to provide law enforcement resources to Turkey, but declined to say whether investigators were on the ground there.

On Capitol Hill, some lawmakers were frustrated that the White House hadn’t disclosed more information about Khashoggi before and after he disappeared. Some lawmakers said the administration should consider curtailing sales of weapons to the kingdom.

“Arms sales are certainly going to be, I think, a huge concern if there is responsibility that is irrefutable,” Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) said of any potential evidence supporting Saudi Arabia’s role in Khashoggi’s killing.

Gardner said that the Trump administration had left senators in the dark about intelligence pointing to a Saudi role and demanded that officials give lawmakers a fuller account of what they knew of possible threats to his safety before he disappeared.

“There’s a lot of information that we don’t know that we need to get. There’s an information gap that needs to be filled promptly by the administration, by the intelligence community,” Gardner said. “The immediate question has to be, what exists. The answer to that needs to be, acting on the information that we had, what did we do with it.”

Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that he had seen no definitive proof of who allegedly killed Khashoggi, but “everything that I’ve seen points to the Saudis . . . We have no evidence that points anywhere but to them.”

On Wednesday, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle wrote to Trump and asked him to impose sanctions against anyone found responsible for Khashoggi’s disappearance, including Saudi leaders. The lawmakers invoked the Global Magnitsky Act, giving the president 120 days to make a decision.

On Tuesday, Kushner and national security adviser John Bolton called Mohammed and encouraged him to be transparent about what Riyadh knows about Khashoggi, said officials familiar with the call.

U.S. officials, however, pushed back on calls to halt arms sales to Riyadh, calling such demands premature.

“I think they’re jumping to conclusions,” said Nauert, the State Department spokeswoman. “This is entirely a hypothetical situation at this point. We don’t know what happened. We don’t have the facts of the case.”

Trump also dismissed the possibility.

“They’re spending $110 billion purchasing military equipment and other things,” he said of the Saudis during the bill signingin the Oval Office. “If we don’t sell it to them, they’ll say, ‘Well, thank you very much. We’ll buy it from Russia.’ Or ‘Thank you very much. We’ll buy it from China.’ That doesn’t help us — not when it comes to jobs and not when it comes to our companies losing out on that work.”

Mekhennet reported from Istanbul. Kareem Fahim in Istanbul and Carol D. Leonnig, Karoun Demirjian, Ellen Nakashima and Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.

  

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9. "Saudi Arabia are largely responsible for 9/11. That didn't change the"
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relationship. I can't see how this will change much.


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13. "Apropos of nothing but"
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A shiver went down my spine when I read that there were 15 Saudis on the "hit team". That was also the number of Saudi 9/11 hijackers.

  

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11. "How does all this happen INSIDE the damn embassy ?"
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I've never been in one, but it doesn't seem like a place you could murder, toture, and dismember someone...

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they're little enclaves of that country

you can literally ship operatives in and out of it

it's literally the perfect place to do this especially for a non-democratic state like Saudi Arabia

various secured areas...it's perfect...they nabbed the footage

it was probably handled more cleanly than the marriage papers would have been

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shut up already, damn

  

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14. "Anyone who knows the Trump-Russia case knows Trump's inaction on Khashog..."
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https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1051501994232430593

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1051501994232430593.html

Anyone who knows the Trump-Russia case knows Trump's inaction on Khashoggi is tied to a 6-nation "grand bargain." More proof—Khashoggi was banned from Saudi TV, newspapers and conferences for criticizing the Saudi Crown Prince's involvement in the bargain:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-donald-trump-journalist-banned-for-criticising-us-president-elect-a7456956.html%3famp

2/ I can't underscore this enough: the Khashoggi case is a chapter in the Trump-Russia scandal. Reporters must understand that the Trumps' relationship with the Saudis is inextricably tied to its relationship with and expectations for the Russian government with respect to Iran.

3/ Trump and Kushner figured out early on—well before the 2016 election—that they could enrich themselves via both the Russians and the Saudis if they dropped sanctions on Russia in exchange for Russia giving the Saudis what they wanted: a curtailing of Russian support for Iran.

4/ I've said before and will say again that the Trump Jr. meeting reporters most need to focus on with respect to Russia didn't take place in June 2016 at Trump Tower but in August 2016 at Trump Tower and did not involve Russian agents but agents of Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Israel.

5/ When Erik Prince met with the Russians and the UAE in the Seychelles in January 2017, it was at a *bare minimum* the *third* meeting to discuss a single topic: a six-nation "grand bargain" involving the Trumps (United States), Russia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, and Israel.

6/ Another meeting—the second, though there may well have been additional intervening meetings we don't know of—happened at Trump Tower during the 2016 transition and involved a secret trip to the U.S. by the Crown Prince of the UAE, who met with Bannon, Kushner, and a Saudi rep.

7/ Kushner's desire for a December 2016 backchannel—via a Russian SCIF—to discuss Iran with the Russians, and his secure backchannel to the Saudi Crown Prince via WhatsApp, are key parts of this. As is the backchannel between Bannon and Erik Prince that began during the campaign.

8/ The lobbying done by Tom Barrack, Mike Flynn, Rick Gates, and Bud McFarlane on giving Saudi Arabia nuclear tech, which led to Flynn's now-infamous "good to go" text at Trump's inauguration—and Trump's plan to drop Russia sanctions right after the inauguration—are part of this.

9/ Trump's IC knew the Saudi Crown Prince planned to lure Khashoggi to (at a minimum) a kidnapping and failed in its duty to warn him. Kushner spoke to the Crown Prince *about Khashoggi* the day before he was killed. This story is *not* going away, as it's part of a larger story.

10/ Don't forget: Kushner already stands accused of taking classified intel on Saudi dissidents from the presidential daily briefing his father-in-law gets and giving it to Saudi's Crown Prince on a surprise visit to Saudi Arabia, thus giving MBS a domestic assassination roadmap.

11/ George Papadopoulos told ABC he was still getting messages from Kremlin agent Joseph Mifsud in 2017, meaning the Kremlin still thought Papadopoulos had value as a Trump agent when Papadopoulos went to Israel the week of the inauguration. So what was @GeorgePapa19 doing there?

12/ Criminal conspiracies are necessarily small in their roster of conspirators—lest the chance of betrayal to law enforcement be too high. The "six-nation grand bargain" is a "theory of the case" in the Mueller probe that helps explain everything everyone was doing at all times.

13/ Why was Papadopoulos—still a Trump agent—telling Greek officials in December 2016 that he "helped Trump win the presidency" and had a "blank check" for any job he wanted? Why was he expected to join the State department—which Trump was about to use to drop Russia sanctions?

14/ If Papadopoulos' wife is telling the truth, and every trip he took was authorized, who sent Papadopoulos to Greece in December 2016 to meet with Putin allies, and then to Israel in 2017, where he met with (he says) people he thought were Israeli spies who offered him money?

15/ Why did Papadopoulos' January '17 trip to Israel come immediately after a 3-man meeting with Trump's incoming Chief of Staff and a top Putin ally in the Greek government (an anti-Russian sanctions crusader) at Trump's inauguration? Investigators don't believe in coincidences.

16/ Not everything Trump does is connected to the grand bargain—not even 15% of what he does is. But we're entering a period of time in which media and investigators being able to see *which* events connect to the domestic interests of the six nations will be a critical skillset.

17/ It's in that context that I say the Khashoggi assassination *must* be seen as connected to the Trump-Russia story by anyone who covers that story—because Khashoggi's fatal misstep was criticizing Kushner pal MBS on his plan to strike a deal with the Trumps and Russia on Iran.

18/ And I say "the Trumps" because we need to start thinking that way. "The Trumps"—meaning Trump Sr., Trump Jr., and Kushner—were one of the six parties in the six-nation bargain, standing in for "the United States." But their interest from Day 1 was solely their own enrichment.

19/ If Kushner (in the campaign) really "nixed" a meeting with Kremlin agent Torshin, why did Trump Jr. ("not" in the campaign) dine with him 72 hours later? Why did (it appears) Kushner and Gates "reject" the Israeli Zamel's proposals just weeks before Trump Jr. met with him?

20/ If Goldstone was just trying to use Trump Jr. to get a message to Trump Sr. in June 2016, why did Trump Jr. immediately bring in Kushner? And why does another attendee of that meeting say *Kushner* was engaged, animated, and angry (at the lack of Clinton dirt) at the meeting?

21/ In every criminal conspiracy, seemingly far-flung events are connected by the people involved, their interests, and the way certain decisions lead to later events. The only way Trump and Kushner slide on this Khashoggi assassination is if media doesn't connect it to anything.

22/ But it seems likely this is the *second* time Kushner violated government protocols in a way that assisted his pal MBS—the Saudi Crown Prince—in assassinating dissidents. And Kushner is only going to do that if the Trumps owe the Saudis or there's money in it for the Trumps.

23/ There's no non-clandestine, acknowledged U.S. diplomatic or security interest in assisting that Saudi Crown Prince in murdering his enemies. None. Zero. The Trumps could easily have said "we support you but want nothing to do with this." Instead, they appear to have assisted.

24/ The co-conspirator list in the Trump-Russia case isn't long. If you're in media and don't have a mastery of each conspirator's movements from mid-2015 (for the Trumps 2013) onward—including every known meeting with an agent from one of the six nations—you're behind the story.

25/ Flynn. Prince. Kushner. Trump Sr. Don Jr. Bannon. Papadopoulos. Sessions. Barrack. Manafort. Gates. Page. McFarlane. Second-tiers like Clovis, Miller, Stone, Schmitz, Gordon. Foreign agents like Mifsud, Nader, Zamel, MBS, MBZ, Torshin, Butina. It's not too much to learn. /end

PS/ Saudi Arabia needed two things from Trump in the six-nation bargain: unnecessary U.S.-Iran hostility (see Trump's lies about Iranian compliance with the nuclear deal) and massive military aid (see Trump's insistence that nothing block his $100 billion military deal with MBS).

PS2/ The $100 billion begins Trump's effort to help MBS get nuclear power/weapons. Why does he care? The Saudi blockade on Qatar forced the Qataris to "loan" Kushner $900 million and a Cohen client—Broidy—stood to get $1 billion in Saudi/UAE contracts. Was Trump to get kickbacks?

PS3/ The evidence suggests that Trump used Cohen as a money laundering apparatus for Russian and possibly Saudi/UAE money. Russians gave Cohen millions in "consulting fees" and in Saudis/UAE paying Broidy, his "lawyer" Cohen—also Trump's "lawyer"—could have gotten money to Trump.

PS4/ At the end of every decision Donald Trump has ever made in his life is a profit motive—same with Kushner. If you think suddenly their motives changed with respect to the endlessly rich Saudi Crown Prince, you are—excuse me saying it—yet another in a lifetime of Trump chumps.

  

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16. "2 sources tell @clarissaward and @TimListerCNN that the Saudis are prepa..."
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1051912600391479298

BREAKING — 2 sources tell @clarissaward and @TimListerCNN that the Saudis are preparing a report that will acknowledge Jamal Khashoggi's death was the result of an interrogation that went wrong, one that was intended to lead to his abduction from Turkey.


2/ One source: report will likely conclude that the operation was carried out without clearance and transparency and that those involved will be held responsible.

One source: report is still being prepared and cautioned that things could change.

  

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17. "saw that coming once trump said "Rogue elements" or whatever he said"
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already setting the table

  

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18. "We were just going to kidnap him, we didn't mean to kill him"
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19. "Turkish official confirms to CNN that Jamal Khashoggi’s body was cut i..."
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Turkish official confirms to CNN that Jamal Khashoggi’s body was cut into pieces after he was killed.

https://twitter.com/MarquardtA/status/1052245682428502016



"Two senior Turkish officials...noted apparent Saudi attempts to scrub the scene by bringing in cleaning crews and REPAINTING areas of the consulate. 'People who have nothing to hide,' one official said, 'don’t behave like this.'"
https://t.co/CnSIYLIiYV

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1052281167716773889

  

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20. "What’s the deal with cutting him into pieces?"
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Is it a sign of disrespect or to keep them from eternally resting?

ir just power and humiliation?

shut up already, damn

  

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21. "I assumed it's so they could more easily dispose of the body"
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Rather than lugging out something corpse-shaped.

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30. "lmao, to hide the evidence "
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legs out here ignoring the obvious reasons for mysterious ones lol

*sees body in the river*

legs: i wonder if they left him there to anger the River God Patrick Mahomes? Hmm

or is it bc his mother drowned in the river and they wanted to create a river haunted by family members

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22. "Suspects in Khashoggi Case Had Ties to Saudi Crown Prince"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/world/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-prince.html

  

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23. "WSJ has DETAILED info on the tapes (location off killing, doctor telling..."
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BOMBSHELL in #Khashoggi reporting

WSJ has DETAILED info on the tapes (location off killing, doctor telling others to listen to music, no interrogation).

• Saudis would now know if Turkey knows exactly what happened
• No interrogation taking place would mean straight murder 1/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dpq9AgsXUAAZTBM.jpg


Other implications:

Wall Street Journal report says tape indicates Khashoggi "killed in the office of the Saudi consul general"

That makes it even more suspicious that Consul General has left Turkey for Riyadh.

Didn't want to stick around for interview with investigators? 2/


If Turkey has tape like this, good luck to Pompeo-Trump-MBS covering this up. If Ankara wants to, could draw them out in their coverup story and then drop the tapes for world to see/hear.

Read @aaronstein1 analysis of how Turkey's playing this so far:
https://twitter.com/aaronstein1/status/1052304156579512321 … 3/


Here's the link to the WSJ report with tape's details.

Note it also says: "Turkish officials said they shared evidence in recent days, including the details of an audio recording, with both the U.S. and Saudi Arabia."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pompeo-seeks-answers-amid-crisis-over-missing-saudi-journalist-1539690270 … 4/


I'd hesitated in tweeting Middle East Eye story but its details of what's on tape are now consistent with WSJ.

Plus other specific details like "Khashoggi was dragged from the Consul General’s office...and onto the table of his study next door."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-khashoggi-829291552 … 5/5



https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1052361542811967488

  

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24. "this story has me significantly fucked up"
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Rest in peace Jamal


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25. "beheading him sounds like some isis shit"
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and the saudis are known for their beheadings and support of ISIS

  

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31. "RE: beheading him sounds like some isis shit"
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lol also sounds like some shit people do when trying to hide and dispose of a body...they cut his body into pieces...they usually just do the head in beheadings

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33. "this is true"
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thanks for responding

  

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26. "Of course Trump's talking up "innocent until proven guilty""
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MBS probably has a calendar and a signed letter from 65 classmates saying Saudi Arabia definitely couldn't have been involved. Probably a doppleganger.

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27. "i wonder if nikki haleys resignation had anything to do with this."
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her 'official'/public resignation was on the 9th...after it leaked to the press that she actually made her intention to resign known a week earlier. khashoggi was killed on oct 2nd.

us intel had intercepts of saudia arabia discussing plan to lure him and detain him before that too.

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29. " i wonder if *andrew brunson's release had anything to do with this."
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>her 'official'/public resignation was on the 9th...after it
>leaked to the press that she actually made her intention to
>resign known a week earlier. khashoggi was killed on oct 2nd.
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>us intel had intercepts of saudia arabia discussing plan to
>lure him and detain him before that too.


this shit looks like a trade. definitely will seal up some evangelical votes. Saudi Arabia is one of his allies, so why not give up the 'Christian troublemaker' (bynum) in exchange for the 'enemy of the throne' (kashoggi).

but that's just my hot take.

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34. "The timing is suspicious as hell"
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shut up already, damn

  

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28. "More Khashoggi-MBS Links Revealed as Suspected Killer Dies in 'Suspiciou..."
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https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/more-kashoggi-mbs-links-revealed-as-suspected-killer-dies-1.6572086

More Khashoggi-MBS Links Revealed as Suspected Killer Dies in 'Suspicious Car Accident'

The New York Times also tied Saudi crown prince to the alleged killers, citing that 'American intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that is culpable in the killing'

Haaretz and The Associated Press Oct 18, 2018 1:34 PM

A man who previously traveled with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s entourage to the United States entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul just before writer Jamal Khashoggi vanished there, according to images published Thursday by a pro-government Turkish newspaper.

The Sabah newspaper’s report showed the man also later outside the Saudi consul general’s home, checking out of a Turkish hotel as a large suitcase stood by his side, and leaving Turkey on October 2.

The report came as Turkish crime-scene investigators finished an overnight search of both the consul general’s residence and a second search of the consulate itself amid Ankara’s fears that Saudi authorities had Khashoggi killed and dismembered inside the diplomatic mission in Istanbul.

Saudi Arabia, which initially called the allegations “baseless,” has not responded to repeated requests for comment from The Associated Press over recent days, including on Thursday.

The Sabah report showed the man walking past police barricades at the consulate at 9:55 A.M. with several men trailing behind him. Khashoggi arrived at the consulate several hours later at 1:14 P.M., then disappeared while his fiancée waited outside for him.

The New York Times also tied the crown prince, known as MBS, to the alleged killers, citing that "American intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that is culpable in the killing."

CNN reported Tuesday that Khashoggi's killing in Istanbul was organized by a high-ranking officer with the General Intelligence Presidency, Saudi Arabia's main intelligence service, three sources close to the investigation told CNN late on Tuesday.

CNN added that "one of those sources described the officer as close to the inner circle of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman," who oversees much of Saudi Arabia security and intelligence services.

A report Wednesday by the pro-government newspaper Yeni Safak, citing what it described as an audio recording of Khashoggi’s slaying, said a Saudi team immediately accosted the 60-year-old journalist after he entered the consulate, cutting off his fingers and later decapitating him.

The same Turkish newspaper reported on October 18 that one of the suspects involved in the disappearance of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi died in a “suspicious car accident” in Riyadh.

The paper named Mashal Saad al-Bostani, a 31-year-old lieutenant of the Saudi Royal Air Forces.

Fifteen-man Saudi team

Previously leaked surveillance footage showed consular vehicles moving from the consulate to the consul general’s official residence, some 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) away, a little under two hours after Khashoggi walked inside. The Sabah newspaper showed an image of the man at 4:53 P.M. at the consul’s home, then at 5:15 p.m. checking out of a hotel. He later cleared airport security at 5:58 P.M.

Security services in Turkey have used pro-government media to leak details of Khashoggi’s case, adding to the pressure on the kingdom.

The AP could not immediately verify the man’s identity, though he’s one of the individuals previously identified by Turkish authorities as being involved in the 15-man Saudi team that targeted Khashoggi.

Images shot by the Houston Chronicle and later distributed by the AP show the same man was in Prince Mohammed’s entourage when he visited a Houston subdivision in April to see rebuilding efforts after Hurricane Harvey. The same man wore lapel pins, including one of the flags of Saudi Arabia and America intertwined, that other bodyguards accompanying Prince Mohammed wore on the trip.

The three-week trip across the U.S. saw Prince Mohammed meet with business leaders and celebrities, including Amazon billionaire Jeff Bezos, who now owns the Post.

The searches and the leaks in Turkish media have ensured the world’s attention remains focused on what happened to Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist who went into a self-imposed exile in the United States over the rise of Prince Mohammed. It also put further strains on the relationship between the kingdom, the world’s largest oil exporter, and its main security guarantor, the U.S., as tensions with Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East remain high.

Flying back home after a visit to both Saudi Arabia and Turkey, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo remained positive Wednesday about an ongoing Saudi probe into Khashoggi’s disappearance, but he stressed that answers are needed.

“Sooner’s better than later for everyone,” Pompeo said.

U.S. President Donald Trump, who initially came out hard on the Saudis over the disappearance but since has backed off, said Wednesday that the U.S. wanted Turkey to turn over any audio or video recording it had of Khashoggi’s alleged killing “if it exists.”

On Thursday, the Post published what it described as Khashoggi’s last column in honor of the missing journalist.

In it, Khashoggi pointed to the muted international response to ongoing abuses against journalists by governments in the Middle East.

“As a result, Arab governments have been given free rein to continue silencing the media at an increasing rate,” Khashoggi wrote. He added: “The Arab world is facing its own version of an Iron Curtain, imposed not by external actors but through domestic forces vying for power.”

  

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32. "might be one of the few conspiracy theories"
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i'm willing to ride for

hoping my trump bias and my hate against American diplomatic hypocrisy isn't getting the tin foil fitted ready

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41. "^^^ been waiting on these stories"
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they try to make the Trumpster administration look like mob figures

I've been waiting for Manafort, Cohen or Stone to mysteriously fall ill or completely disappear

MBS like...let a live tyrant handle that.

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35. "what"
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Mr. Kushner has argued that the outrage over Mr. Khashoggi’s disappearance and possible killing will pass, just as it did after other Saudi errors like the kidnapping of the prime minister of Lebanon and the killing of a busload of children in Yemen by a Saudi airstrike.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia.html

absurd times we live in

  

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36. "i hope it turns out kushner was directly involved in some way."
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dude gave classified intel to mbs that led to his purge/crackdown on the royal family and consolidation of his power. nobody remembers that.

mbs said kushner was in pocket. we are seeing the ramifications of that.
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37. "...but what about those e-mails?"
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Kushner and Saudi crown prince communicated informally on WhatsApp: report

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 10/17/18 08:48 PM EDT

link: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/411971-kushner-and-saudi-prince-communicated-informally-on-whatsapp-report

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White House senior adviser Jared Kushner raised concerns among administration officials by communicating with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman on private channels, including through the encrypted messaging service WhatsApp, CNN reported Wednesday.

Kushner's relationship with the Saudi leader reportedly raised concerns among national security staffers early on in his role but has come under increased scrutiny as U.S. officials monitor the findings of an investigation into the disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Once concerns were raised about Kushner's close ties to the crown prince, Kushner reportedly told others within Trump's team about his conversations with the crown prince, according to CNN.

CNN reported that Kushner, who is also President Trump's son-in-law, has worked "behind the scenes" to stay out of the spotlight and help handle the diplomatic fallout in the wake of Khashoggi's disappearance.

A White House spokesperson told The Hill in a statement that Kushner "has always meticulously followed protocols and collaborated with colleagues regarding the relationship with and all of the other foreign officials with whom he interacts.”

Reports have indicated that Kushner and Crown Prince Mohammed have developed a close relationship. The president's son-in-law and senior adviser met with the crown prince most recently in June to discuss the Trump administration's Middle East peace plan.

Kushner spoke with Crown Prince Mohammed last week over the phone to ask for more information about Khashoggi's disappearance. National security adviser John Bolton was also on the call.

The crown prince's image as a reformer has come under fresh scrutiny following Khashoggi's disappearance. Turkish officials have said they believe Khashoggi was killed in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul on orders from Saudi leadership. Khashoggi has been missing since Oct. 2 when he entered the consulate in Turkey.

Saudi Arabia has said it does not know what happened to Khashoggi, and the country is conducting a joint investigation into his disappearance with Turkish officials.

Trump on Wednesday said the U.S. has requested audio and video from Turkey related to Khashoggi's disappearance. The president again denied that he is providing cover to Saudi Arabia in connection with the Khashoggi case.

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38. ""other Saudi errors""
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Who hasn't accidentally hit reply all on an email or dismembered a journalist?

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39. "its so annoying when you accidentally kill a busload of children"
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it really is crazy what governments get away with.

the news cares more about if their PR strategy will work.

  

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40. "Holy Shit, they have found a way to blame this on a black man. "
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Well, a darkskinned person at least.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia.html


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42. "Saudi claims that Khashoggi died in a ‘brawl’ draw immediate skeptic..."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/saudi-claims-that-khashoggi-died-in-a-brawl-draw-immediate-skepticism/2018/10/19/e10d4186-d3ef-11e8-83d6-291fcead2ab1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa7603e47c59

Saudi claims that Khashoggi died in a ‘brawl’ draw immediate skepticism
By Shane Harris
October 19 at 10:47 PM

Claims by the government of Saudi Arabia that Washington Post contributing columnist Jamal Khashoggi died in a physical altercation inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul drew immediate skepticism and contradicted earlier dueling accounts from Saudi and Turkish officials.

The Saudi findings, which all but absolved the heir to the throne, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, increased pressure on the Trump administration to mount an independent investigation into Khashoggi’s death.

CIA officials have listened to an audio recording that Turkish officials say proves the journalist was killed and dismembered by a team of Saudi agents inside the consulate, according to people familiar with the matter. If verified, the recording would make it difficult for the White House to accept the Saudi version that Khashoggi’s death was effectively an accident. A CIA spokeswoman declined to comment.

In a statement issued early Saturday morning in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, the Saudis claimed that some number of unnamed “suspects” had traveled to the consulate to meet with Khashoggi, “as there were indications of the possibility of his returning” to Saudi Arabia. The journalist, a frequent critic of Saudi government policy, had been living in self-imposed exile in Virginia.

“The discussions that took place . . . did not go as required and developed in a negative way,” the statement continued, leading to a “fight and a quarrel” and a “brawl” that led to Khashoggi’s death. The unnamed suspects then attempted “to conceal and cover what happened,” the Saudi government claimed, without elaborating.

Current and former U.S. intelligence officials, foreign policy experts and lawmakers were quick to accuse the Saudi government of a whitewash.

“They’re buying time. And they’re buying cover,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) “They are seeking to, in effect, shift blame to a group of fall guys and confine the investigation to the Saudi government.”

Khashoggi had gone to the Saudi Consulate on Oct. 2 to obtain documents that he needed to marry his fiancee, a Turkish citizen. There has been no indication that he was going to meet with Saudis about possibly returning to his home country.

The Saudi government had previously said that Khashoggi left the consulate that day and that officials did not know where he was. Surveillance camera footage soon surfaced of Khashoggi walking into the building, but there was no footage of him leaving.

The White House did not immediately accept the Saudi findings, which amounted to the first official confirmation that Khashoggi is dead.

President Trump has privately expressed skepticism that the operation could have taken place without Mohammed’s knowledge, and the president has been told by a number of advisers that the Saudis would try to create a cover story that avoided blaming the crown prince, Trump’s advisers said.

But Trump is also wary of overreacting to Khashoggi’s death, his aim being to avoid aggravating an international crisis and rupturing U.S.-Saudi relations.

U.S. officials knew what the Saudis planned to say hours before they released their statement, a Trump adviser said.

“Trump’s inclination is not to ruin the relationship,” the adviser said.

But the adviser said that officials such Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) have warned Trump and his advisers that if they don’t react, the Saudis will see it as weakness.

“If they respected you, they wouldn’t do this and think they could get away with it,” the adviser said, reflecting a conversation with the president.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders issued a cautious statement.

“The United States acknowledges the announcement from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that its investigation into the fate of Jamal Khashoggi is progressing and that it has taken action against the suspects it has identified thus far,” her statement said.

The Saudi government announced that it had detained 18 unnamed individuals and fired five top officials.

“We will continue to closely follow the international investigations into this tragic incident and advocate for justice that is timely, transparent, and in accordance with all due process. We are saddened to hear confirmation of Mr. Khashoggi’s death, and we offer our deepest condolences to his family, fiancée, and friends,” Sanders said.

The Saudi government said it would take another month to complete a full investigation, which would be overseen by Mohammed. That decision also drew intense skepticism, since the crown prince has been tied to the operation that led to Khashoggi’s death, including through U.S. intelligence reports.

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said the announcement that Khashoggi “was killed while brawling with a team of more than a dozen dispatched from Saudi Arabia is not credible. If Khashoggi was fighting inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, he was fighting for his life with people sent to capture or kill him.”

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said the Saudi version of events changes “with each passing day, so we should not assume their latest story holds water.”

The official Saudi account did not explain what happened to Khashoggi’s body and was not supported by any evidence.

“This is the worst coverup I’ve ever seen,” said Bruce Riedel, a Saudi Arabia expert who served more than 30 years in the CIA. “Where is the body? Why did it take seventeen days to come up with this account?”

Khashoggi had recently told friends that Saudi officials close to the crown prince had tried to lure him back to the kingdom, but he said he believed that they would never guarantee his safety.

U.S. intelligence had also intercepted communications of Saudi officials discussing plans to lure Khashoggi back, an effort that was personally directed by Mohammed, a frequent subject of Khashoggi’s journalistic criticism, according to people who have seen the intelligence reports.

One of the two top officials whom the Saudis said had been removed from their posts, Saud al-Qahtani, a media adviser to the crown prince, had personally tried to persuade Khashoggi to return, assuring him that he would be safe and even holding out the prospect of a job working for Mohammed, according to the journalist’s friends.

“He said: ‘Are you kidding? I don’t trust them one bit,’ ” said Khaled Saffuri, an Arab American political activist, recounting a conversation he had with Khashoggi the day Khashoggi received a phone call from Qahtani in May.

It was not clear whether any of the Saudis that Turkish officials claim participated in the operation in Istanbul were among those whom Saudi authorities have detained.

The Washington Post has reviewed the passport information and photos of 15 men who Turkish officials say were part of the team. Some of them have links to Mohammed, the day-to-day ruler of the Saudi kingdom.

Five members of the team have traveled to the United States in recent years on trips that overlapped with visits by Mohammed, three more than were previously known, travel records and photographs show.

The proximity of their flights to movements by Mohammed suggests that the men are members of his security entourage, experts said, potentially complicating the ability of the government to claim that the killing was carried out without Mohammed’s consent.

“They’re security officials, almost certainly,” Riedel said. “From what I have seen in the photos of them with the prince, they are security and bodyguards.”

The Post obtained pictures of the passports of seven of the 15 Saudis on Tuesday and used that information to verify that one, Khalid Aedh Alotaibi, arrived in Washington in March, three days before the crown prince.

The Post on Friday obtained passport information for the remaining eight Saudis identified by Turkish officials and found that three others had also traveled to the United States on trips coinciding with travel by Saudi leaders.

Mustafa Mohammed M. Almadani, 57, touched down in New York three days after the start of Mohammed’s nationwide tour, shortly before the crown prince was due in New York City.

A year earlier, a similar scenario played out. In February 2017, Alotaibi and Fahad Shabib A. Albalawi, another alleged member of the team, arrived in Washington on the same day. Three weeks later, Mohammed met with Trump at the White House. Both Shabib and Albalawi left the United States in May.

In 2015, Alotaibi and a fourth Saudi from the alleged team, Thaar Ghaleb T. Alharbi, arrived ahead of a summit at Camp David attended by then-Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef and Mohammed, then the deputy crown prince.

The New York Times reported this week that photographs show a fifth man, Maher Abdulaziz M. Mutreb, with Mohammed during visits in the past year to France, Spain and the United States. Mutreb’s entry and exit records do not show any arrival or departure in the United States during the time of Mohammed’s U.S. visit.

Riedel said the lack of an entry report for Mutreb could mean he used a second passport. “Many security services provide multiple passports to their officers,” he said.

The passport records show that Mutreb visited the United States in July 2016, coinciding with a visit by Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will accept Saudi Arabia’s handling of the investigation, analysts predicted, given the seniority of the Saudi officials arrested.

“Erdogan is going to accept this,” said Soner Cagaptay, a Turkey scholar at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “Erdogan is smart. He knows Trump’s not going to rupture with the Saudis over this. He knows the limits the U.S. can push against the Saudis. He’s getting enough face-saving measures that he’s thrown not one but two big fish under the bus.”


Joby Warrick, Aaron Davis, Souad Mekhennet, John Hudson, Josh Dawsey, Karoun Demirjian, Andrew Ba Tran and Julie Tate contributed to this report.

  

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