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"Im #TeamKatt all day, but uh ruh uhh....Kevin Hart....yikes..."


  

          



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Subject Author Message Date ID
YIKES (c) Danny Myers
Sep 21st 2018
1
YES! THANK YOU! People slept on Mook in that battle!!
Sep 21st 2018
2
You're not gonna really be able to get RID of Blackson
Sep 21st 2018
22
well damn.
Sep 21st 2018
3
Straight Checkn Um (c) CMW
Sep 21st 2018
4
Is it common for comedians to own their specials?
Sep 21st 2018
5
Kevin owns all his.
Sep 21st 2018
10
      Thanks, the $40 million figure is what raised my eyebrows
Sep 21st 2018
16
           Netflix throws the bag at these big stars.
Sep 21st 2018
18
kevin hart vs jamie oxx still the most hilarious roast
Sep 21st 2018
6
Real tears.
Sep 21st 2018
12
RIP Foxxhole Radio
Sep 21st 2018
24
I’m a fan of both. Kevin told no lies.
Sep 21st 2018
7
the 'theme' of his rant applies to ALOT of platforms
Sep 21st 2018
8
It covers damn near all platforms.
Sep 21st 2018
13
dude's come up is amazing
Sep 21st 2018
9
RIP to Laffhouse
Sep 21st 2018
25
Katt is amazing.
Sep 21st 2018
11
Agree 100%
Sep 21st 2018
14
hulk smashed
Sep 21st 2018
15
been waiting on Kev to do this for a minute...
Sep 21st 2018
17
RE: been waiting on Kev to do this for a minute...
Sep 21st 2018
21
      He also said he has 7 more specials than Richard Pryor
Sep 25th 2018
78
god Katt drives me nuts
Sep 21st 2018
19
Word up! Kevin got in his AZZZZZ!!!!
Sep 21st 2018
20
I would expect yall to agree with this
Sep 21st 2018
23
Who is safe? And who is edgy that should get pushed?
Sep 22nd 2018
26
That wedding ringer movie was much better than expected
Sep 22nd 2018
29
Jumanji was great and he was the best part.
Sep 22nd 2018
30
      yep, pretty sure Jumanji is his best film work
Sep 22nd 2018
31
Kevin Hart
Sep 22nd 2018
33
      Your issue seems to be with Kevin
Sep 24th 2018
54
Do you consider Dave Chappelle safe?
Sep 22nd 2018
27
The media ran with the rumor Chapelle was
Sep 22nd 2018
32
      Those 2 things have 7 years in between them.
Sep 23rd 2018
36
           Lol the media is dominated by like 6 companies
Sep 23rd 2018
40
                Way to ignore the point but ok.
Sep 23rd 2018
41
                     Dave feels a grudge against Key & Peele
Sep 23rd 2018
42
                          Yes, and that’s as ridiculous today as when that article came out.
Sep 23rd 2018
43
                               You can’t deny that while K&P are a little diff, that Comedy Central.....
Sep 23rd 2018
44
                                    A sketch show where a host throws to pieces from stage?
Sep 23rd 2018
45
                                    yep all true
Sep 23rd 2018
46
Can you elaborate on this?
Sep 22nd 2018
28
Corny black people that are palatable
Sep 22nd 2018
34
it takes all kinds of black folks man.
Sep 23rd 2018
37
It talks all kinds of Black folks to do what?
Sep 23rd 2018
39
Anything mainstream is going to lack nuance.
Sep 23rd 2018
38
They're the wrong kind of Black for Musa.
Sep 24th 2018
49
Kevin Hart is "Safe" in that he doesn't have a history
Sep 24th 2018
47
^THIS^
Sep 24th 2018
48
Nah, they work with whites who are like that all the time
Sep 24th 2018
50
When Sony tried to get Kevin to promote some shit for free
Sep 24th 2018
51
hmmmmmmmm.........................
Sep 24th 2018
52
IF he did that with Sony he gets credit but
Sep 24th 2018
58
Nah that's confirmation bias
Sep 24th 2018
60
      So heads you win tails I lose
Sep 24th 2018
61
           link (but......#50 will not rock the boat" to #61 fighting on frontlines...
Sep 24th 2018
62
                RE: help for you(do you know what rock the boat or challenge means?)
Sep 24th 2018
64
                     #61 frontlines
Sep 24th 2018
65
                     RE: #58 you skipped
Sep 24th 2018
66
                     How is he safe or easy to control though?
Sep 25th 2018
67
                     Providing cover for the status quo is an example
Sep 25th 2018
76
                     Is Katt's "rocking the boat" more constructive than Kev's?
Sep 25th 2018
72
                          Depends on what Kevin is doing.
Sep 25th 2018
77
                               RE: Depends on what Kevin is doing.
Sep 27th 2018
81
                                    RE: Depends on what Kevin is doing.
Sep 27th 2018
82
When it came down to his money not concerning
Sep 24th 2018
63
(wrong spot)
Sep 24th 2018
55
RE: Nah, they work with whites who are like that all the time
Sep 24th 2018
56
      Meh
Sep 24th 2018
59
Late? No one has made these accusations of Katt
Sep 25th 2018
68
      But unlike Kevin, and Tiffany he doesn't easily capitulate to coonery
Sep 25th 2018
70
      Yup. that guy
Sep 25th 2018
73
           Katt isn't on drugs, Katt isn't late. Katt is known as a professional at...
Sep 25th 2018
75
                i love katt but this is all that needs to be posted
Sep 25th 2018
79
                     "all that needs to be....."?......you don't know OKP very well........
Sep 25th 2018
80
      The black man with a perm in 2018???
Sep 25th 2018
74
Katt said a bunch of stuff we already knew
Sep 25th 2018
69
Comedian Red Grant adds some insight to the Beef **swipe**
Sep 23rd 2018
35
Assuming Red Grant was accurate there and un-biased
Sep 24th 2018
53
      lots of folks are wondering if there's history.
Sep 24th 2018
57
           Allow Corey Holcomb to explain
Sep 25th 2018
71
Katt arrested on assault charges again
Oct 07th 2018
83
new charge or some old shit?
Oct 08th 2018
84
      new shit
Oct 09th 2018
85

Kira
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1. "YIKES (c) Danny Myers"
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Kevin Hart gave Katt the Murda Mook 3rd round against Verb Takeover bars. He used the entire notepad to dissect Katt's whole existence. I feel bad for Katt.

Kev on the low Takeover'd a lot of comedians. He got Mike Epps and Michael Blackson the fuck outta here BAD.

  

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2. "YES! THANK YOU! People slept on Mook in that battle!! "
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Mook really had bars inside of bars, wrapped around more bars!!!


But after this...Katt really should extend some sort of olive branch, and not challenge Hart to a rap battle/basketball game/snap session...lol





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22. "You're not gonna really be able to get RID of Blackson"
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mainly since he seems content being a D list celebrity

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3. "well damn."
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I'm only about 1/3 of the way through it, but.....


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4. "Straight Checkn Um (c) CMW"
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5. "Is it common for comedians to own their specials?"
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They're not owned by HBO/Comedy Central/Netflix/whoever? I get that everyone of a certain level has a production company that produces the special, but do they really own the rights to it? If Hulu offered Kevin Hart a truckload of money, could he take his specials off Netflix and sell them to Hulu?

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10. "Kevin owns all his."
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It's not "normal" per se, but there's a lot of comics who license their specials to various networks. Netflix is mostly out of the acquisitions game as they're trying to beef up originals, but they have a good amount of acquisitions on there (John Mulaney-New In Town, all the Kevin Hart specials, Lil Rel-Relevant come to mind).

There are production companies that put up the money to produce a special for the comic to own it. It happens.

EDIT: Just got to the part about him getting $40 mil from Netflix. Yeah, they own that one. I assume that's one that hasn't come out yet, but all his previous specials were Hartbeat-produced and owned.

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16. "Thanks, the $40 million figure is what raised my eyebrows"
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Because even as much as they throw money around, that seems like way too much for Netflix to just give to someone who owns the content 100%.

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18. "Netflix throws the bag at these big stars. "
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6. "kevin hart vs jamie oxx still the most hilarious roast"
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Fri Sep-21-18 12:44 PM by naame

  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP_uvpnTlnE

  

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12. "Real tears. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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24. "RIP Foxxhole Radio"
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That was my shit back in 08

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7. "I’m a fan of both. Kevin told no lies. "
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8. "the 'theme' of his rant applies to ALOT of platforms"
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in regards to ...
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13. "It covers damn near all platforms."
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9. "dude's come up is amazing"
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shit, i remember my wife and I going to Philly one random weekend back in 2006 and this dude was performing at this small ass comedy club on South Street, shortly after Paper Soldiers came out.

  

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25. "RIP to Laffhouse"
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11. "Katt is amazing."
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He's also insanely tortured and fucked up every opportunity thrown his way. Kevin's right. People may not like him as a comedian, but he's absolutely correct here and if Katt had Kevin's work ethic and mental health, he'd be the biggest comic in the world.

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14. "Agree 100%"
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15. "hulk smashed"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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17. "been waiting on Kev to do this for a minute..."
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just come with the crusher on dude. No jokes, just pure factuals. See how they still wanted to kick the funnies in and Kev was like, "nah, back to these actual facts". Nigga was like Mr. T. in Rocky..."I am ranked #1...which means I'm the best". That fact check on the 2.4 million ticket claim was hurtful.

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21. "RE: been waiting on Kev to do this for a minute..."
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To be fair.. they argued a wrong point..

Kat said his Ticket SALES (NOT SOLD) grossed 2.4 and that was what netflix based it off of.

What also could be true is that Kevin Hart is in a different stratosphere as it relates to deals. What his negotiations are based on may be totally different than Kat or Monique.

But everything else is FAX

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78. "He also said he has 7 more specials than Richard Pryor"
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kind of invalidates whatever that stat was suppose to illustrate

nobody is confusing Katt Williams for Richard Pryor.

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19. "god Katt drives me nuts"
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that interview man i wanted them to call him on his bullshit but of course you cant do that. But he is an asshole. Fuck him

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20. "Word up! Kevin got in his AZZZZZ!!!!"
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...somethin serious!

I was watchin that interview earlier this morning and was pleasantly surprised.

Kev took the gloves off on
some ol'Tommy-from-Martin show when Tommy started datin' Pam and MartyMar thought he could STILL lik shotz at Pam in front of'eem-type steez!


I aint know Kev had it in'eem but
I aint mad either. Kev was surgical-yet-classy.

You gotta respect it.

Katt needed dat shit!






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23. "I would expect yall to agree with this"
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and just because Katt does have his personal issues does not invalidate anything he has said concerning the workings of hollywood or them pushing average "safe" comedians.

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26. "Who is safe? And who is edgy that should get pushed?"
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Mind you safe or edgy not all stand up comedians do well in movies or sketch comedy. It's something most stand ups fail to comprehensive or admit as much as fans. I love Kevin as a stand up but if he died today with all these movies he has none of them is what he'll be known for. He sucks on camera so far. His best movie to date was an appearance in 40 Year old virigin. Which Im starting to think legacy wise he picks the wrong movies but because he's so business savvy it works out in the long run for his asipirations as a entrepreneur. kev is a hard working and good dude, this interview is proof of that IMO.

We would also expect you to disregard facts as your reply saying we are disregarding "facts" (in quotes cause you haven't stated who are these safe and edgy comedians)

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29. "That wedding ringer movie was much better than expected"
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But a lot of his movies have the same formula.

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30. "Jumanji was great and he was the best part. "
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31. "yep, pretty sure Jumanji is his best film work"
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odd enough to say ...

  

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33. "Kevin Hart"
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Aside all the people Katt named are really not that funny. Hollywood likes watered down safe Black people that they think they can control.

Kevin Hart movies are horrible he is fast tracking his way to Ernest Sacred Stupid bad.

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54. "Your issue seems to be with Kevin"
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cause we should all know comedy is subjective and just cause YOU don't find him funny doesn't mean he ain't funny to the people that buy his tickets. the (mostly hotep) niggas that don't like his comedy always talk about how "safe" he is or how he's a puppet.

Now I'm not gonna sit here and say Hollywood ain't racist, but green and ROI will trump every color on the spectrum when it comes to how Hollywood moves. So when you talk about control, what are we really talking about here?

You think Kevin doesn't know he has leverage when going into these Hollywood meetings and just takes the first offer on the table? You don't think he has enough money to say no to some shit? You could pay a nigga off the street way less than Kevin if you wanted to control somebody.



  

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27. "Do you consider Dave Chappelle safe?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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32. "The media ran with the rumor Chapelle was"
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in Africa doing CRACK then got watered down replacements of Key and Peele.

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36. "Those 2 things have 7 years in between them. "
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You’re giving far too much credit to the media too, by the way.

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40. "Lol the media is dominated by like 6 companies"
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As far as mainstream tv goes.

This is the same media that pushes the same 6 to 7 stereotypes since minstrel shows were doing NFL NBA and MLB numbers in the 1800s.

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41. "Way to ignore the point but ok. "
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The MEDIA is apparently telling you to equate K&P and Dave Chappelle...2 shows that couldn’t be more different, not to mention the performers themselves...but yeah, everyone else is the problem.

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42. "Dave feels a grudge against Key & Peele"
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https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/dave-chappelle-key-and-peele-feud-1202012655/

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Dave Chappelle: Watching ‘Key & Peele’ ‘Hurts My Feelings’

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Dave Chappelle has certainly never been one to shy away from controversy, and in his latest interview to promote his new comedy special on Netflix, the comedian addressed his feud with Keegan-Michael Key and Jordan Peele, and his departure from Comedy Central head on.

During the Roots Picnic festival last year, Chappelle took a shot at comedy duo Key & Peele, implying that they had taken the idea for his show.

“Put some respect on my name, y’all don’t know what I’ve been through … watching Key & Peele do my show the last five f—ing years,” Chappelle said at the time.

During his interview with “This Morning” co-host Gayle King on CBS, Chappelle sought to clarify his comments, insisting that he is a fan of the show, but suggesting that he should be credited for some of the show’s “conventions.”


“I fought the network very hard so that those conventions could come to fruition. So, like the first episode I do, that black white supremacist sketch. And it’s like, ‘Well, that’s 10 minutes long. It should be five minutes long.’ Why should it be five minutes long? Like, these types of conventions. I fought very hard,” Chappelle said. “So when I watch ‘Key & Peele’ and I see they’re doing a format that I created, and at the end of the show, it says, ‘Created by Key & Peele,’ that hurts my feelings.”

Chappelle also commented on his departure from Comedy Central after signing a $50 million contract with the network back in 2004.

“I was talkin’ to a guy … he basically said to me that comedy is a reconciliation of paradox,” he said. “And I think that that was a irreconcilable moment for me. That I was in this very successful place, but the emotional content of it didn’t feel anything like what I imagined success should feel like. It just didn’t feel right.”

  

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43. "Yes, and that’s as ridiculous today as when that article came out. "
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Dave did not invent the sketch show. He didn’t invent the black sketch show, either. I always thought his K&P digs were jokes but he genuinely seems to think he should get a created by credit because his show helped the shows that came after it. Well...then there are quite a few people who “created” his show too then.

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44. "You can’t deny that while K&P are a little diff, that Comedy Central....."
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attempted to duplicate the success of the Chappelle Show after Dave left with shows that were strikingly similar in format, look, and feel. From Carlos Mencia to Amy Schumer to Key & Peele and many more.

And they all seemed like substitutes to Dave.

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45. "A sketch show where a host throws to pieces from stage?"
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Chappelle Show was THE biggest show around when it was on. Of course it influenced people and formats. But let’s not act like the show structure was what made it what it was.

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46. "yep all true"
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Carlos Mencia was the first one I thought about when Dave made the joke about K&P.

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28. "Can you elaborate on this?"
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I’m dying to hear this theory about “safe” comedians further.

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34. "Corny black people that are palatable"
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for yt audiences. It's the same with rap music and these corny "trap" rappers or nerdy rappers like Kyle and Logic that are safe for yt mass consumption.

They lack that edge, INTANGIBLES, cultural nuance(in many instances).

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37. "it takes all kinds of black folks man."
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just cause you dont personally like em dont mean they aint worthy

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39. "It talks all kinds of Black folks to do what?"
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38. "Anything mainstream is going to lack nuance. "
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With that said, this is a gross generalization of culture in general. Far be it for me to tell you how to feel...but there’s plenty of POC in the mainstream who don’t fit this narrative at all.

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49. "They're the wrong kind of Black for Musa."
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47. "Kevin Hart is "Safe" in that he doesn't have a history"
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of missing shows/showing up unable to perform and getting arrested over stupid shit.

It takes a lot of time, money and planning to make a major motion picture and people are going to be hesitant to invest money in a project if they're worried the star isn't going to actually be able to complete filming/go out and promote the movie afterward.

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48. "^THIS^"
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and thats what Kev was saying as to how Katt blew his shot.

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50. "Nah, they work with whites who are like that all the time"
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Kevin is safe because he will not rock the boat or challenge them. Safe means easy to control.

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51. "When Sony tried to get Kevin to promote some shit for free"
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and it wasn't in his contract, he said no. And sony called him all types of shit.

So this notion of him not challenging shit is probably false.

  

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52. "hmmmmmmmm........................."
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hmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..............



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*awaiting a response to this*

  

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58. "IF he did that with Sony he gets credit but"
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giving cover to Starbucks, when they were in the wrong, calling the police on two black men in Philly, erases that credit and it does not support the pov that he would challenge anything.

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60. "Nah that's confirmation bias"
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Now you just looking for shit

  

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61. "So heads you win tails I lose"
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If you offer an example with no link it means Kevin is fighting on the front lines and it's wrong to question him, but when I give an example of Kevin Hart trying to keep the boat from rocking it's searching ?

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62. "link (but......#50 will not rock the boat" to #61 fighting on frontlines..."
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GOALPOSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

http://defamer.gawker.com/sony-leak-studio-exec-calls-kevin-hart-a-greedy-whore-1669403407


Sony Leak: Studio Exec Calls Kevin Hart a Greedy "Whore"

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Miniature comedian Kevin Hart is now a well-liked movie star. He also thinks he deserves more than $3 million to tweet, according to this leaked straight out of Sony.

The email exchange below, between Sony Pictures co-chair Amy Pascal, studio exec Clint Culpepper, and Sony Entertainment CEO Michael Lynton, pertains to squeaky Mr. Hart, whose fame has continued to expand with recent Sony Pictures films. The studio was hoping Hart would be so kind as to write a 140-characters-or-less statement or three about his new movie (possibly Think Like a Man Too), as is normal when an actor with hands is promoting a new movie. But as you can see in the below message, Kevin wanted more money to go social (click expand to make it big):


"I'm not saying he's a whore, but he's a whore."

More money, in addition to the three million he was already being paid. To tweet. And maybe do some Instagram stuff. And my god, Culpepper adds, think of the precedent!

It's not as if we paid him 3M and 4M respectively for his last 2 films thinking he might be nominated. We paid for his ability to open a film which included his social media savvy. I feel like this is something that should be negotiated going into the film as opposed to after the fact. It feels tantamount to

buying a car and then upon picking it up being told that the engine will cost extra. I'm tempted to suggest we call his bluff. If he doesn't do his normal routine, his film will not open as well and his brand will appear diminished and he will- in fact - be fucking himself because we have his next 2 immediate films. And then there's the social media precedent we're setting...especially in light of the fact that Channing is at the same agency.

An interesting ontological question: is an actor's social media presence included when you pay them a giant sum? Just kidding, thats not interesting, it's insane.

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64. "RE: help for you(do you know what rock the boat or challenge means?)"
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>

You're at the WRONG GAME

What I said in reply 50

Kevin is safe because he will not rock the boat or challenge them. Safe means easy to control.

Urban Dictionary: Rock the boat
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"rocking the boat" means stirring up trouble. To rock the boat means to disrupt things, promote disharmony, make waves, pick a fight, causing trouble, ...

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rock the boat. To do or say something that might endanger a stable situation or upset the status quo.

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rock the boat. informal. C2 If you rock the boat, you do or say something that will upset people or cause problems:

You do know that rocking the boat or challenging them includes fighting on the front lines ?

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65. "#61 frontlines"
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66. "RE: #58 you skipped"
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67. "How is he safe or easy to control though?"
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because he's easy to work with? because he's professional? If you're using his Starbucks tweet as evidence, that's pretty weak IMO.


>You do know that rocking the boat or challenging them
>includes fighting on the front lines ?

Rocking the boat doesn't necessarily mean being on the front lines. And how do you define "being on the front lines" anyway? Because sending a tweet is far and away from having 10 toes down.

Last I checked, Kat Willams ain't been visible when the shit hit the fan (but considering it's Kat, I don't really look to him for his thoughts), but he has been rocking the boat damn near everywhere else according to the definition you provided.


  

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76. "Providing cover for the status quo is an example"
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of how he is controlled.


>because he's easy to work with? because he's professional? If
>you're using his Starbucks tweet as evidence, that's pretty
>weak IMO.
>

Weak is dismissing Kevin Hart using his platform to say

"This is horrible management," he tweeted. "The manager on duty was wrong. It's that simple... That's who needs to take responsibility for this wrong doing."

after two black men had the cops called on them for black while in Starbucks.

When Sony called Kevin Hart "all types of shit" and made a racist joke, how long did he spend on the Breakfast Club calling them out by name ?

>>You do know that rocking the boat or challenging them
>>includes fighting on the front lines ?
>
>Rocking the boat doesn't necessarily mean being on the front
>lines. And how do you define "being on the front lines"
>anyway? Because sending a tweet is far and away from having 10
>toes down.
>

It includes the front lines. I define it as fighting back directly not giving black respectability speeches.

>Last I checked, Kat Willams ain't been visible when the shit
>hit the fan (but considering it's Kat, I don't really look to
>him for his thoughts), but he has been rocking the boat damn
>near everywhere else according to the definition you
>provided.
>
>

No that's the definition you created, I also said or challenge but you didn't address that even after you included it in my comments that you quoted. Anyway Katt Williams could be everything he was called in this thread and that still would not make the notion of Kevin Hart "not challenging shit probably false."

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72. "Is Katt's "rocking the boat" more constructive than Kev's?"
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If Hollywood's as messed up as Katt says, which is a bigger disruptor to the current system?

A) Repeatedly calling attention to what's wrong with Hollywood while admittedly dealing with your own personal demons that limit your ability to succeed and undermine your personal credibility.

B) Maximizing your opportunities in the current power structure, using those opportunities to set yourself for independence, and then using your independence give others like you an alternative to the traditional power structure.

This isn't even that debate about whether it's better to change a system from within or break it from the outside. Katt's a great talent and he makes some interesting points but he doesn't have the vision and discipline to actually bring about change.

Kev's vision, discipline and energy actually has some potential to give black folks in the industry more options.

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77. "Depends on what Kevin is doing."
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is opening the door and bringing in more people who will play it safe ?

>If Hollywood's as messed up as Katt says, which is a bigger
>disruptor to the current system?
>
>A) Repeatedly calling attention to what's wrong with Hollywood
>while admittedly dealing with your own personal demons that
>limit your ability to succeed and undermine your personal
>credibility.
>
>B) Maximizing your opportunities in the current power
>structure, using those opportunities to set yourself for
>independence, and then using your independence give others
>like you an alternative to the traditional power structure.

Only 2 choices ? What about C

C) Attacking the system with the same energy and passion that he went after Katt and propped up Netflix and Starbucks.

>This isn't even that debate about whether it's better to
>change a system from within or break it from the outside.
>Katt's a great talent and he makes some interesting points but
>he doesn't have the vision and discipline to actually bring
>about change.
>
>Kev's vision, discipline and energy actually has some
>potential to give black folks in the industry more options.
>
>

If he gets black folks in the industry and they help reinforce the status quo is that a good thing ?

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81. "RE: Depends on what Kevin is doing."
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>>If Hollywood's as messed up as Katt says, which is a bigger
>>disruptor to the current system?
>>
>>A) Repeatedly calling attention to what's wrong with
>Hollywood
>>while admittedly dealing with your own personal demons that
>>limit your ability to succeed and undermine your personal
>>credibility.
>>
>>B) Maximizing your opportunities in the current power
>>structure, using those opportunities to set yourself for
>>independence, and then using your independence give others
>>like you an alternative to the traditional power structure.
>
>Only 2 choices ? What about C
>
>C) Attacking the system with the same energy and passion that
>he went after Katt and propped up Netflix and Starbucks.

If you don't have power or money behind your words, you're easily ignored.

There's an opportunity for Kevin to make a significant impact on the industry that just isn't there for Katt because Kevin is amassing financial and intellectual capital from building his business and brand. That can turn into influence and power.

Most of Katt's influence appears to be with people who have even less say in the entertainment industry than he does.

>>This isn't even that debate about whether it's better to
>>change a system from within or break it from the outside.
>>Katt's a great talent and he makes some interesting points
>but
>>he doesn't have the vision and discipline to actually bring
>>about change.
>>
>>Kev's vision, discipline and energy actually has some
>>potential to give black folks in the industry more options.
>>
>>
>
>If he gets black folks in the industry and they help reinforce
>the status quo is that a good thing ?


It depends.

By status quo, do you mean exploitative capitalistic structures or the racism within the industry?

I think the (I assume) artificially low number of black people in decision-making roles in Hollywood makes black people in those positions more risk averse.

They're probably not given the leeway to take big risks and if they fail, there's the extra burden of your failure being used against other blacks with power.

So there's a strong motivator to play it safe that, I think, is only mitigated by increasing the number of black people with power. The more black people with power, the clearer it is that these are individuals with individual ideas, and the more leeway they have to take risks.

From that perspective, the more black people Kevin can put on, the better, because it gives every other black person in the industry a little more breathing room to make their own decisions.

That won't changes the economics of the industry though. The companies will still find ways to get over on the artists...it's just that the faces in those positions will change.

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82. "RE: Depends on what Kevin is doing."
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>If you don't have power or money behind your words, you're
>easily ignored.


Nah, numbers can do damage that's why corps and politicians jump when bad press comes out.

>There's an opportunity for Kevin to make a significant impact
>on the industry that just isn't there for Katt because Kevin
>is amassing financial and intellectual capital from building
>his business and brand. That can turn into influence and
>power.

How significant is the impact if he is covering for corps that don't need his help or offering a timid response when Exec's mistreat him.

>Most of Katt's influence appears to be with people who have
>even less say in the entertainment industry than he does.
>

Katt is not the best person to represent and speak on what's going on, but some of what he said is true.


>>
>>If he gets black folks in the industry and they help
>reinforce
>>the status quo is that a good thing ?
>
>
>It depends.
>
>By status quo, do you mean exploitative capitalistic
>structures or the racism within the industry?
>

It could be both but I would say racism within the industry.

>I think the (I assume) artificially low number of black people
>in decision-making roles in Hollywood makes black people in
>those positions more risk averse.
>

True but it will always be risk.

>They're probably not given the leeway to take big risks and if
>they fail, there's the extra burden of your failure being used
>against other blacks with power.
>

That's automatic, it will not be easy.

>So there's a strong motivator to play it safe that, I think,
>is only mitigated by increasing the number of black people
>with power. The more black people with power, the clearer it
>is that these are individuals with individual ideas, and the
>more leeway they have to take risks.
>

What if the increased numbers are Sheriff Clarke and Ben Carson ? Will that group take risks ?


>From that perspective, the more black people Kevin can put on,
>the better, because it gives every other black person in the
>industry a little more breathing room to make their own
>decisions.
>

That's not enough, if the black people he put on follow his lead and respond and react the way he did when racism surfaced. Bringing in a 100 Uncle Ruckus will not help.

>That won't changes the economics of the industry though. The
>companies will still find ways to get over on the
>artists...it's just that the faces in those positions will
>change.

More faces is a start but it's not enough.

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63. "When it came down to his money not concerning "
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content of his comedy that might scare white audiences or actually break them out of the falseness that is whiteness.

Why do yall try to make it more complicated than it is?

Edgy meaning telling the truth in a society built on lies and the continual subjugation and exploitation of Black people especially men.

Hell George Carlin was edgy.

But back to the point Kevin Hart is slap stick comedy and hey its nothing wrong with that see Jim Carrey but I'm sure he is also politically safe for a racist industry bent on having people fall in line and maintain status quo.

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55. "(wrong spot)"
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56. "RE: Nah, they work with whites who are like that all the time"
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If they're big enough of a name/box office draw to make it worth the headache maybe.

If you're costing the wrong people money by not showing up to set, causing production to run long/go over budget you will end up like this dude:

https://tvline.com/2018/05/08/clayne-crawford-leaving-lethal-weapon-season-3-controversy-recast/

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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59. "Meh"
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>If they're big enough of a name/box office draw to make it
>worth the headache maybe.
>
>If you're costing the wrong people money by not showing up to
>set, causing production to run long/go over budget you will
>end up like this dude:
>
>https://tvline.com/2018/05/08/clayne-crawford-leaving-lethal-weapon-season-3-controversy-recast/

Do a little rehab and end up right back on top like Robert Downey Jr and Charlie Sheen.

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68. "Late? No one has made these accusations of Katt"
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Kevin Hart is the black Jimmy Fallon. No problem with that.

Problem is those who control the purse strings in Hollywood make sure that anyone up and coming that is black is a Yes person. Yes, I will wear a dress (Kevin on SNL), yes you can have creative control and majority white writers (Insecure and everything prior). More interracial dating and more homosexual plotlines., "we need more people feeling comfortable watching")

Katt Williams isn't hurting for money, his Malibu mansion is dope and kids in top private schools, so I don't feel bad for dude. But being here in Hollywood it is sad that black folks will STILL do anything for a piece of money. And then when called out they attack the person instead of the larger problem.

Katt isn't on drugs, Katt isn't late. Katt is known as a professional at work. But unlike Kevin, and Tiffany he doesn't easily capitulate to coonery and borderline coonery to make productions easier. He, like Chris Tucker, and many before protects the images that go over the airwaves of him.

And this is coming from Tiffany's biggest fan.

  

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70. "But unlike Kevin, and Tiffany he doesn't easily capitulate to coonery"
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You mean the guy who's whole image is a pseudo-pimp

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73. "Yup. that guy"
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Katt can do everything Kevin does on stage and film. Kevin can't say the same.

  

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75. "Katt isn't on drugs, Katt isn't late. Katt is known as a professional at..."
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So we're going to pretend none of this happened;

Legal issues
On November 13, 2006, Williams was arrested at Los Angeles International Airport after a stolen gun was found in his briefcase. On December 14, 2006, Williams pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor count of carrying a concealed firearm and was sentenced to three years probation, ordered to pay restitution, and was given credit for the three days he spent in jail.

In November 2010, Williams was arrested by police while working on a film in Coweta County, Georgia. He was accused of stealing $3,500 worth of coins and jewelry. He was released the following day on a $40,000 bond. Police later charged Williams with burglary and criminal trespass.

On June 11, 2011, Williams was arrested in connection with an alleged assault on a tractor driver. The alleged victim said three women approached his tractor at around 4:30 p.m. local time and attacked him with rocks and dirt clods, causing him facial injuries. Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department officers arrived on the scene and arrested the three women for assault with a deadly weapon and Williams for felony intimidation of a witness. Williams was booked into jail and released that same night on $50,000 bail.

On November 15, 2012, he was arrested in Oakland, California on charges of suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly beating an 18-year-old Berkeley, California man with a bottle aboard Williams' tour bus.

An attendee of Williams' aborted November 16, 2012 performance at the Oracle Arena in Oakland filed a class action lawsuit days after the event, seeking compensation for himself and "all others who paid money for a show and got nothing but Katt Williams' nonperformance."

On December 2, 2012, he was arrested in Seattle after he allegedly got into a dispute at a bar in South Lake Union. Williams' arrest came after his no-show November 29, 2012 for the first night of a planned two-night engagement at the Paramount Theatre. Five days later, Williams was arrested in Dunnigan, California on a bench warrant arising from a November 25, 2012, incident in Sacramento during which he allegedly drove a three-wheeled motorbike on a sidewalk and refused to stop for police. The resulting chase was halted due to safety concerns, and the bench warrant issued, after Williams narrowly missed several bystanders.

On December 28, 2012, Williams was arrested in Los Angeles on child endangerment charges. He was held in lieu of $100,000 bail, and his four children were placed in protective custody.

On January 8, 2013, he was arrested at his LA home after failing to appear in Sacramento to answer the November 25 motorbike charges.

On October 29, 2014, Williams and Suge Knight were arrested for the theft of a camera from a female photographer in Beverly Hills on September 5. In April 2017 Williams plead no contest to the charge of robbery and was ordered to undertake a year of anger management charges as well as receiving three years' probation.

On February 29, 2016, Williams was arrested in Gainesville, Georgia when a clerk at a swimming-pool store said Katt hit him. Katt was lying face down with his hands behind his back when police arrived.

On April 27, 2016, Williams was arrested in Atlanta, Georgia and charged with battery after allegedly throwing a salt shaker at the manager of Spondivits, a local restaurant. The manager claimed to have been hit in the mouth with the salt shaker when Williams' group was denied preferential seating.

He was arrested July 24, 2016 on suspicion of battery after an altercation with a woman at the Sportsman's Lodge, a hotel in Sherman Oaks, California.

On September 15, 2016, Williams was arrested in Fulton County, Georgia, on a charge of second-degree criminal damage to property, after having turned himself in on a warrant for failing to appear in court for the April 27 incident. This new arrest involved a February 28, 2016, allegation that the comedian threw a man's cellphone.

?

Not late
Not on drugs
Professional at work...ehh...

Are we going to pretend that dude doesn't have a rap sheet and serious personal problems?

Filed under stuff Kevin Hart can't do...?

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79. "i love katt but this is all that needs to be posted"
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if he wasnt IMMENSELY hilarious they would've been sent his ass home forever.

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80. ""all that needs to be....."?......you don't know OKP very well........"
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heh heh

  

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74. "The black man with a perm in 2018???"
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>But unlike Kevin, and Tiffany he doesn't
>easily capitulate to coonery and borderline coonery to make
>productions easier. He, like Chris Tucker, and many before
>protects the images that go over the airwaves of him.
>
>And this is coming from Tiffany's biggest fan.

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69. "Katt said a bunch of stuff we already knew"
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I'm not disagreeing with him

I'm not disagreeing with Kev either though

Katt did have a shot

he was getting placements, cameos, etc...

IMO, the reason that stopped, is because of him

and that's the truth he needs to deal with

It is possible to agree with both of these voices

IRT Katt, what needs to be asked is, if you knew alladat; pushing safe acts, etc...why's he complaining

he knows how this works, and throwing peers under the bus isn't the fix.

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35. "Comedian Red Grant adds some insight to the Beef **swipe**"
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Long, but good.

https://youtu.be/SNQDEOuY6VU

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53. "Assuming Red Grant was accurate there and un-biased"
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that provides some good context as to why Katt Williams was so negative in that Atlanta interview. I had to shut it off after five or so minutes because dude wouldn't stop taking so many unprovoked shots at folks that weren't even in the room and had little to no relevance to the questions asked on air. It probably would have been smarter for Katt to dip out rather than go on air since he was in a no-win situation. I wonder if Katt and that female radio host have a history.

Pretty wild how that interview was supposed to be for Red Grant and he was pretty much forgotten because of all the drama that got kicked up.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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57. "lots of folks are wondering if there's history."
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my understanding is that he's never been to the station before. not saying they haven't crossed paths elsewhere.

I don't believe there is, but I do know she sucks. she's been on that station since forever and has always been the sidekick. she's terrible at it.

she calls herself a comedienne, but she's is the least funny person ever. she's also known for coming at other folks, but apparently can't take it.

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71. "Allow Corey Holcomb to explain"
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It appears Wanda is well known to be problematic to comics. So I'm sure Katt went in guard up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCTpc87tHcM

  

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83. "Katt arrested on assault charges again"
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https://twitter.com/THR/status/1049118195947331584?s=19

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84. "new charge or some old shit? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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he claims his mgmt didn't tell him he had a court appearance the same night as the Emmy's.

He's reportedly being held on an outstanding warrant in GA (I'm not sure on what charges)


but yeah....


new shit.

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