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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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"The term "poor white trash""


          

I've always had issues with this. This article sums them up nicely.

What do you think of the term? Problematic?

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2018/08/01/605084163/why-its-still-ok-to-trash-poor-white-people

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This link title sums it up for me
Aug 01st 2018
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they earned it these last few years.
Aug 01st 2018
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Very classist
Aug 01st 2018
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What class of yt folks hasn't proven to be racist over generations tho?
Aug 02nd 2018
12
      Obviously...
Aug 02nd 2018
14
Only problem I have with it is other (usually wealthier) whites using it...
Aug 01st 2018
4
This passage reflects my problem with it...
Aug 02nd 2018
5
WPP
Aug 02nd 2018
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pretty much.
Aug 02nd 2018
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RE: WPP
Aug 03rd 2018
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that part
Aug 03rd 2018
16
most of them voted for 45 so fuck'em
Aug 02nd 2018
7
RE: The term "poor white trash"
Aug 02nd 2018
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I never liked the implication that trash and white are opposite.
Aug 02nd 2018
9
non-constructive class consciousness
Aug 02nd 2018
11
those are the exact 45 cultists that can't be reasoned with
Aug 03rd 2018
17
I like most of the 2nd half of the article but not the 1st half.
Aug 02nd 2018
13

legsdiamond
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1. "This link title sums it up for me"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13277042&mesg_id=13277042&page=

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Reeq
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2. "they earned it these last few years."
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afrogirl_lost
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3. "Very classist"
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but I understand why black folks use it. Poor yt folks have proven to be racist over generations and don't deserve our solidarity.

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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12. "What class of yt folks hasn't proven to be racist over generations tho?"
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>Poor yt folks have
>proven to be racist over generations and don't deserve our
>solidarity.


Such distinctions are the only reason I agree with getting rid of the term, b/c we end up acting like it's just the poor ones. We shouldn't even need the word "trash" to think "racist" when we hear the word "white" since white folks created the hierarchical race system which is, of course, racist.





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14. "Obviously..."
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My comment is simply highlighting why black people in particular tend to use the term. The argument that black people actually believe that rich or middle class white people are better than the poor ones is pretty silly, and historically inaccurate. I think a better interpretation is that poor whites often live in closer proximity to the masses of black folks (who are poor) than rich ones, so it’s easier for many black folks to identify the specific racist behaviors of poor whites.

  

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4. "Only problem I have with it is other (usually wealthier) whites using it..."
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describe behavior that they're guilty of, too.

Never heard a white person (who wasn't a piece of shit) objecting to anyone else using it, though.

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5. "This passage reflects my problem with it..."
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"White trash, as described by Wray, is an oxymoron. Black trash, by that thinking, is almost redundant. He says that white trash 'is a term that really has white supremacy baked into it, because it's kind of like it's understood that if you're not white, you're trash.'"

  

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6. "WPP"
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wypipo problems

term created of, for, and by them soooooo

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Reeq
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10. "pretty much."
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15. "RE: WPP"
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>wypipo problems
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>term created of, for, and by them soooooo

also, probably the only insult that hits with any impact.

don't be fkn evil.

  

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16. "that part"
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7. "most of them voted for 45 so fuck'em"
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8. "RE: The term "poor white trash""
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mmmmmm

The 3rd prong of America.. that good indentured servant class

Shiftless white people have been a concern of the Elites (landowners) in America since 1619..

I wish poor white people understood this.. Embracing the white trash name is simply saying.. I aint shit.... but I aint black either...

right where the white supremacist power structure wants you.

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9. "I never liked the implication that trash and white are opposite."
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Thu Aug-02-18 09:53 AM by Teknontheou

  

          

It implies that trash = black/brown.

  

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Dr Claw
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11. "non-constructive class consciousness"
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but the racial class trumps in America (no pun intended)

  

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17. "those are the exact 45 cultists that can't be reasoned with"
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don't be fkn evil.

  

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13. "I like most of the 2nd half of the article but not the 1st half."
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Thu Aug-02-18 11:10 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

Ultimately, I agree with getting rid of the term, b/c like I stated elsewhere we end up acting like it's just the poor ones. We shouldn't even need the word "trash" to think "racist" when we hear the word "white" since white folks created the hierarchical race system which is, of course, racist.


The only thing I don't really like is the beginning of the article where she's trying to present this as if poor white people got it so bad, especially in their television depictions segment. I have zero time for that when you have to dice white people up into classes, but I stay pointing out how Black folks get horrible depictions in shows.

Also, the woman who wrote this is biracial (Black and Jewish). She's written an article about it:
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/10/12/496868502/black-jewish-and-avoiding-the-synagogue-on-yom-kippur
She also wrote an article on code-switching where she chose to include a very interested quote:
"Franchesca in San Francisco writes:
I am mixed Filipino and black, but was raised by my Filipino side. Because I identify more with being Filipino, **I get offended when people assume that I'm only black or that I'm only into "black things." For example, they assume that I must be into black men**, etc. It makes me feel like I'm being stereotyped based off my appearance (which is racially ambiguous and depends on who is looking at me and their own perceptions or experiences with different ethnicities). How can I avoid being offended and address the situation when I do feel like I am being boxed into a certain category, without making it a huge deal?"

I think it's important that the statement "I get offended when people assume that I'm only black or that I'm only into black things. For example, they assume that I must be into black men" was included here. Not just the fact that Black men are "things" but that she chose that quote is significant. A LOT of these Black women who write on race for these publications are constantly dog whistling to white men, and one of the most common tactics they use is to shit on Black men... because white men who date Black women tend to prefer that you do that, and obviously it's effective, b/c so many of them do it. Think Crystelyn Karazin or Yesha Callahan of The Root. It's sad that anyone would stoop so low, but hey, that's where we are.

She's written multiple articles about the subject of biracial people in general. That's not necessarily problematic in itself, but her confusion is very clear to me from the stuff she writes. It's very easy to be confused as a biracial person tho, because you easily end up fighting FOR white supremacy while claiming to fight against it, because you're trying to protect the feelings of one of your parents... or friends, SO or whatever. Speaking of cinema earlier, Hollywood's pairing of Black women (especially biracial Black women) with white men could be influencing how she's seeing things in that regard as well. She thinks Black people have "made it" so now she's gotta ride for poor white folks lol.

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