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bentagain
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"Downloadable semi-automatic assault weapons, coming to a printer near"


  

          

YOU.

...blocked for now...for now...

SMH, wonder how the NRA responds to this, being that they are all about profit$

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07/31/texas-company-pauses-uploading-blueprints-3d-printed-guns/

Following lawsuits, Texas company's plans to upload blueprints for 3D-printed guns are on hold
An Austin organization founded by a self-identified anarchist is no longer releasing information on how to use 3D printers to make guns at home in light of legal challenges from states.

BY MATTHEW CHOI JULY 31, 2018 UPDATED: 18 HOURS AGO



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An Austin company decided Tuesday against publicly releasing digital blueprints for making guns with 3D printers in light of legal challenges from multiple states. Not long after, a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order that would have blocked it from doing so anyway.

Defense Distributed, a project of Austin resident and self-identified anarchist Cody Wilson, has tried with frequent roadblocks to upload digital blueprints for everything from handguns to semi-automatic weapons that anyone can create with a 3D printer. The firearms have no serial numbers and are made of plastic, allowing them to evade metal detectors. New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal filed a lawsuit in his state Monday, and Wilson agreed to refrain from publishing the files until after a hearing in September.

"I was proud to stand up to Cody Wilson and Defense Distributed, and to make clear that their plans to share printable gun codes with everyone — including terrorists, criminals, and juveniles — was a threat to all our residents," Grewal said in a statement.

The attorneys general of several states — Texas is not one — have sued the Trump administration in a Seattle federal court separately from the New Jersey suit, requesting a nationwide restraint on the publication of the files. The judge in that federal case issued the restraining order Tuesday afternoon, according to The Associated Press.

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Wilson has tried posting the files before, but the State Department ordered him to stop for violating federal regulations aimed at keeping military technology out of foreign hands. Wilson and the Second Amendment Foundation sued the government in 2015, arguing that since the code used to create the blueprints is a language and language is speech, blocking Wilson from uploading the files violates his First Amendment rights.

Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb told The Texas Tribune that several cities and counties have used zoning laws to push out gun stores, making printed guns an alternative to maintain Second Amendment rights.

"You can't keep and bear arms if you don't have the right to buy and make them," Gottlieb said. "And since they're shutting down the right to buy guns, making them is another option."

The State Department reached a settlement with Wilson's organization earlier this summer, essentially giving Wilson the green light to start what he describes on his website as "the age of the downloadable gun."

Gun-regulation advocacy organizations, including the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Everytown for Gun Safety and the Giffords Law Center, had filed a motion in Wilson's original case against the federal government to stop Wilson from uploading the blueprints, but presiding Judge Robert Pitman denied the request on Friday, prompting Wilson to upload the files for a select number of firearms. More than 1,000 people downloaded the data to create AR-15 semi-automatic rifles between Friday and Sunday, The Chicago Tribune reported.

Wilson was planning to upload even more blueprints Wednesday but backtracked after Grewal filed the suit.

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The uncharted territory of do-it-yourself guns has elicited pause even among some of the most ardent supporters of gun ownership. Trump tweeted Tuesday that he had spoken with the National Rifle Association and ambiguously said he was looking into the 3D-printed plastic guns that his administration permitted in the settlement.

"I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public. Already spoke to NRA, doesn’t seem to make much sense!" he tweeted.

Chris W. Cox, executive director of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, said in a statement that federal law has made it illegal to manufacture undetectable firearms and online instructions on 3D printing do not change the law. Hogan Gidley, White House deputy press secretary, told reporters during a flight that it is illegal to create wholly plastic guns "of any kind" and that the President supports the law.

“We all want to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists and criminals, but we should handle this particular issue with the utmost care," said Marc Rylander, director of communications for Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. "Policy choices like this one involve both the right to keep and bear arms and freedom of speech, and the people deserve an approach that protects both of those fundamental rights.”

Gottlieb said Wilson had originally planned not to release the files in the states involved in the lawsuit and has filed a retaliatory lawsuit against those states in a Texas federal court, calling the states' actions "intimidation."

Gyl Switzer, executive director of Texas Gun Sense, urged Texans to contact U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to reverse the department's settlement with Defense Distributed, arguing it creates an "unregulated class of firearm owners." She also said the granting greater access to firearms increases risk of suicide, adding more than 60 percent of firearm deaths are by suicide.

"Many other things are regulated in our world," Switzer said, rejecting the idea that gun regulation would violate First Amendment rights. "When it becomes a danger to our communities, state and international relations, there’s certainly space to talk about First Amendment rights and safety and security."

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A firearm is a remarkably simple piece of machinery
Aug 01st 2018
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Animated infrographic link
Aug 01st 2018
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I feel as if this will matter less in the US and more elsewhere
Aug 01st 2018
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no serial numbers = untraceable
Aug 01st 2018
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1. Solved murders have been on the decline since 1965
Aug 01st 2018
5
as someone who does a lot of printing/resident of texas
Aug 01st 2018
7
alright so even if thats blocked the ghost gun movement is...
Aug 01st 2018
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Guess he also doesn’t recognize age of consent laws
Sep 19th 2018
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flipnile
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1. "A firearm is a remarkably simple piece of machinery"
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Wed Aug-01-18 12:33 PM by flipnile

          

lol @ these fools thinking blocking this shit is doing something. Anyone that has access to a 3D printer and knows their way around autocad can figure out how to make a simple firearm. Shit, you can make something from parts from Home Depot or Lowes.

Folks ignorant of how thinks work always prefer to ban things tho, most-likely because they are simple-minded, and since they can't figure out how to do something without instructions or plans, they figure everyone else is the same. FOH.

  

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4. "Animated infrographic link "
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https://animagraffs.com/how-a-handgun-works-1911-45/

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MEAT
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2. "I feel as if this will matter less in the US and more elsewhere"
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Guns are remarkably easy to get here.

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bentagain
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3. "no serial numbers = untraceable"
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Wed Aug-01-18 12:52 PM by bentagain

  

          

I'd imagine there's a market for that

I'd also assume that a gun not made out of metal is easier to disappear

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5. "1. Solved murders have been on the decline since 1965"
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http://media2.scrippsnationalnews.com/photo/2015/01/16/HomicideSolved_1421441631617_12512190_ver1.0_640_480.png

2. Untraceable guns are fine but between the gray area of convention sales
https://www.csgv.org/issues-archive/gun-show-loophole-faq/

The fact that all sales records for traces are on paper
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/27/firearms-national-tracing-center-atf/74401060/

And that’s there’s no central database to be accessed by the multiple agencies involved with a gun sale or action


..... guns are pretty much already untraceable.
All this will serve to do (in the US) is make a few people richer, printer manufactures, show sellers, and modders ... and it’ll get into the hands of non criminal teens a bit easier.

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7. "as someone who does a lot of printing/resident of texas"
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printing a gun seems a lot more work than just buying one, even a hard to trace one

i'd honestly be more worried about idiots hurting themselves using the wrong materials

  

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6. "alright so even if thats blocked the ghost gun movement is..."
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still going on.

https://www.wired.com/2015/06/i-made-an-untraceable-ar-15-ghost-gun/


I kind of wanted to buy a blank receiver as a paper weight a while ago. but now...no way

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8. "Guess he also doesn’t recognize age of consent laws"
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https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/cody-wilson-man-behind-3d-printed-gun-company-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-a-child


“On August 22nd, Austin police responded to a call from a counselor who said a client, a female under the age of seventeen, told her she had sex with a 30-year-old male.

While interviewing the victim at the Center for Child Protection, she said that on August 15th she had sex with a 30-year-old man at a hotel in Austin and was paid $500 dollars by him, according to the affidavit.”

Here’s where they’ll try to defend him


“The victim claimed that she created an online profile using the website SugarDaddyMeet.com where, according to documents, she exchanged messages with a person who was using the screen name “Sanjuro”.”


But every man knows good and damn well what the look of “ehhhhh that’s too close to trust” looks like.

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