2. "No one because they didn't really even *have* a lyrical beef." In response to Reply # 0
Biggie never really even went @ Tupac lyrically, just dropped a handful of lines "aimed" at him over a few spread out tracks. So he's DQ'd automatically.
And Hit 'Em Up is the most overrated diss track of all time. Tupac's verse was what like 8 bars ? Then he let the corny Outlawz take the reigns ? Meh.
Nobody won because it wasn't really a lyrical beef at all.
30. "I tend to agree, though it could go either way really." In response to Reply # 29
I think ultimately the catalyst for the "it's about Pac" speculation was the timing of the song's release.
>RE: Who Shot Ya....none of those bars seemed to be about Pac IMO >It was just general gun talk and shit talk - same as a ton of >other Biggie songs. He didn’t say anything specific to Pac >that I caught. > >Maybe the title of it was a jab? But I never thought the song >was a true diss song.
8. "he ripped pac a new asshole...never heard pac even acknowledge this" In response to Reply # 3
i played this for some young heads (who thought pac was like really gangster)..the first thing they ask me was..is this chino guy still alive?
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13. "I think I heard that freestyle for the first time in like 2005" In response to Reply # 8
Well after everything was over, and even then I was like "Damn, is Chino going to be ok?" That "fuck you and your dope fiiiiiiieeeeeend mama" was so vicious I cringed a little.
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45. "pretty sure it better have been a response to that freestyle" In response to Reply # 44
that shit aint brand new..im pretty sure he heard it...
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20. "I thought the story was Biggie got on the radio re: Dogg Pound" In response to Reply # 5
I never heard anything about Big personally ordering that the goons go shoot them, I seem to remember Big gettin on the radio and saying "How are we gonna let them come to NY and shoot a video like this?" blah blah, as if he couldn't have gone down there and done something about it, if he felt a way. Sucker sh*t.
26. "They weren’t the "good guys" in the beef" In response to Reply # 5
Just less aggressive than Pac. I’m more of a Pac fan anyway so I don’t know the behind the scenes stuff that was going on with Bad Boy in NYC during that time.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79605 posts
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17. "Who Shot Ya.. that beat yo" In response to Reply # 15
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
21. "Big actively denied that Who Shot Ya was about Pac, if memory serves" In response to Reply # 15
I mean Big actually went and pistol whipped old boy from OGC, but never so much as said Pac's name out loud on his "dis tracks," even after Pac was dead. The only time he said Pac's name was in a line implying that he got Faith pregnant. What kind of man jokes about some guy who is dissing him getting his wife pregnant? That's some weirdo shit. And an automatic L.
25. "Like I said above, no one believes them ("them" being Bad Boy)" In response to Reply # 23
... when they say/said it wasn't about Pac. And everything else you said is correct as well. But the point we're making is that the fact that Big refused to call Pac out by name despite Pac going full-heel against *him* and having no fear of dropping his name, is a point against Big.
>Pac gets shot >implicates Bad Boy and BIG >Who Shot Ya is released > >Even if it wasn't about Pac...which we could argue about, I >guess... > >DEM MFers KNEW HOW IT WAS GOING TO BE RECEIVED > >Pac gets shot...implicates BAD BOY...then BAD BOY releases a >record...which ends with BIG shooting an anonymous 'enemy' > >but you need him to shout out Pac's name on the record? > >c'mon > >Even if it wasn't about Pac...they had to know how it would be >interpreted > >I have no doubt it was about Pac...despite what 'they' say to >the media > >"Even if that song ain't about me, you should be, like, `I'm >not putting it out, 'cause he might think it's about him.' " - >2Pac > >The least you can say about Who Shot Ya....is it was its >time's Control > >i.e. he was dissing anybody claiming the #1 spot, which >included Pac
27. "So you wanna be hardcore With your hat to the back, " In response to Reply # 25
talkin' 'bout the gats in your raps
You need BIG to say Pac's name...to know he's talking about Pac?
That point isn't worth much to me...having lived through the experience...there was never any doubt from this fan's perspective...and every other hip-hop fan I was around at the time...who these records were about
you want to dock him a point on your scoreboard....go for it
Who Shot Ya and Long Kiss are better records than Hit Em' Up
your extra point for saying the name of every rapper in the business notwithstanding
28. "Dogg sometimes it's like you don't even read before you respond to somet..." In response to Reply # 27
>RE: So you wanna be hardcore With your hat to the back, >talkin' 'bout the gats in your raps > >You need BIG to say Pac's name...to know he's talking about >Pac?
... no, man. I literally said "everything you said is correct." Not sure that could possibly be any clearer but lmk.
>That point isn't worth much to me...having lived through the >experience...there was never any doubt from this fan's >perspective...and every other hip-hop fan I was around at the >time...who these records were about
Great. Again, read better before responding. After Pac went at him directly calling him by name multiple times it was corny as hell for Big to respond with sub-disses. Not to mention that he publicly denied that Who Shot Ya was about Pac.
>you want to dock him a point on your scoreboard....go for it > >Who Shot Ya and Long Kiss are better records than Hit Em' Up > >your extra point for saying the name of every rapper in the >business notwithstanding
38. "Oh right. Meant to touch on that." In response to Reply # 36
>>I remember the kool moe dee/BDK beef...they didn't say each >>other's names
This is fine. Pac named Big. Big should've then stepped up to the challenge since the gloves were off. In KMD/BDK's situation neither one of them escalated it to that level. In Pac/Big's case someone did. The other continued playing games.
39. "Jogging my memory here...back in the day, like waaaaaaaay back in the da..." In response to Reply # 36 Wed Jul-11-18 11:38 AM by bentagain
Busy Bee was top dog, #1 MC Kool Moe Dee is an interesting guy and his backstory is worth reading up on...but he battled Busy Bee live in a club and basically ended dude's career Busy Bee should've been what Kurtis Blow was Being that KMD was now the man, he would be challenged My understanding was BDK took issue with I Go To Work, being that he had released I Get The Job Done i.e. he didn't appreciate how similar the 2 songs were (yes, this is all it took back then to get checked) Alot of MCs felt some kind of way about How You Like Me Now KMD also had a track out Let's Go, which is an LL diss but BDK also took issue with the line...'make you say daddy I don't want none' So he lifted it and used it for the chorus of my favorite battle record EVAH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x23XtXbwDc8 I use to play mortal kombat on repeat
I learned all of this later though. When that album came out, that song was my jam.
There's a story out more recently, that BDK tried to use the same path as KMD, and had challenged KMD to a battle while he was still a teenager
KMD laughed it off
KMD's song Let's Go was actually directed at LL LL responded with Momma Said Knock You Out
Anyway, you can see how saying somebody's name on a diss record wasn't a big deal
THEY KNOW
WE KNOW
EVERYBODY KNOWS who they are talking about
I don't think there's much to the beefs above personally, just KMD had that spot and the young guys came for it
There's a rich history of battling, live and on wax, in hip hop
Definitely worth looking into
It's kind of the way that MCs cut their teeth in the early days
41. "Cool. Thanks for this..." In response to Reply # 39
>KMD also had a track out Let's Go, which is an LL diss >but BDK also took issue with the line...'make you say daddy I >don't want none' >So he lifted it and used it for the chorus of my favorite >battle record EVAH >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x23XtXbwDc8 >I use to play mortal kombat on repeat
I never knew Kane took issue with this. And yes, "Mortal Kombat" is easily one of Kane's best songs. That and "Another Victory" are a killer 1-2 punch from one of the most underrated albums EVER. "It's A Big Daddy Thing" deserves more love.
>KMD's song Let's Go was actually directed at LL >LL responded with Momma Said Knock You Out
Yeah, I was up on the LL/KMD battle so I'm a bit disappointed in myself that I didn't know about KMD & Kane, although it doesn't sound like it had any bad feelings behind it. It's one thing to battle a dude but another thing for there to be some seriously ill intentions behind it.
>There's a rich history of battling, live and on wax, in hip >hop
I love when rappers get into it with each other. They know their reps may be on the line and they tend to drop their best material. I don't like seeing it turn violent but if cats don't like each other and keep it on wax, I'm all for it.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79605 posts
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37. "I don't think it worked" In response to Reply # 22
no one believed Bad Boy was above it all back then.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
47. "RE: that wasnt beef" In response to Reply # 16
>Big recorded "What's Beef" to make the point that rap records >arent real compared to street shit > >2Pac's murder had nothing to do with dissing the East coast > >Big's murder had nothing to do with music. hell he never >really went back at Pac
24. "It was something so sinister and ominous about Who Shot Ya" In response to Reply # 0
like when that was released, it was like oohh shit
EVERYBODY knew who that was about. Nothing on earth is that coincidental..
And given the climate, even if it had nothing to do with PAC, the fact that they still remastered it and put it out showed they didn't care who took it whatever way..
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