hell, tupac went to jail for rape, innocence questionable
especially since the accuser came out and did a credible interview
revelations recently surfaced that biggie regularly beat lil kim

and nothin' changed
of their elevated status

yet we demonize this 20 year old
who had not a chance to see the error of his way and change his life around
won't even give him a r.i.p. without conditions and shit
fuckin' self righteous pricks...

life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

to minimize their actions.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xzgkEE1YPEEo9i/giphy.webp

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my heros are better than your heros even if they have the same track records.

we were involved in the music with big and pac. we don't know shit about this kid and most other kids doing music today. so we only here the news clips, which are usually the worst stories.

however, social media didn't exist with big and pac. sure we got the rape story about pac. there were and still are folks that don't believe it. I don't recall much about biggie and beating women until recently. the narratives that we old heads have will change as these stories come out.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

...give shit like that a hard pass.

If it was Craig Mack instead of Biggie folks would be quick to be like "FUCK THAT DUDE!!!"

As I recall I even had a few tasteless jokes about the deaths of both of them.

The joking about it was wrong but I was young. Now I feel bad for all that wasted potential.

I have to admit I have a weird puritanical sense of justice where I kind of don't have a lot of sympathy for folks living by the sword dying by the sword.

Too many people trying to do the right thing coming to bad ends that I don't get overly concerned by bad things happening to people doing bad things.

I get it's very fox newsy and my therapist points out my black and white sense of justice can have negative consequences for myself, but yeah.

I blame my southern baptist upbringing.



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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AND keeps reminding people he did it like he is some hero.

this ain't that

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Whats weird is the idea that some trash is more deserving than other trash.

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I'm Black tho, I'm gonna hold out more hope for the Black youth.. I can admit my weakness.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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Current Favorite Song: https://youtu.be/8v_KFHnPImY

"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

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"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

Dude wasn't even legally grown yet, so he was even more of a child when he committed whatever crimes he committed... but folks out here talkin about "fuck him" and celebrating his death. Folks say they care about the youth and then contradict themselves with stuff like that. He obviously had problems... hurt people hurt people, etc. Folks say they understand that, but when it comes to the hard work of showing compassion and understanding to rehabilitate the damaged souls among us, so many of us fail at that. We're just ready to throw them away. This especially true in our community where we're targeted on every level from the way we look, to education, to our mental and emotional well-being, to our very lives. This is true for both Black men and women, but because of all this misguided "Black male privilege" talk, folks like to overlook the overwhelming marginalization of Black males. It tends to be the most oppressed groups who have the most issues and problems to overcome. But when you assume that a marginalized group is privileged, to what do you attribute their dysfunction? You just blame the group themselves, and that's how we get #blackmenaretrash and these Root articles. But I digress...
The young man was struggling with a lot, as were 2Pac and Biggie (both raised in less-than-desirable conditions, Pac watched his mom do crack and she was a Panther... you don't fight for rights when you already have them, they are young men with the instinct to protect but trying to figure out how to do so in a white supremacist society, etc). This is heavy stuff, but it's normal to us and difficult to overcome, so instead of trying to figure out a solution, folks take the easy and cowardly road of blaming the victims.
I'm done tho. This stuff just gets under my skin.

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So i'm smokin on this cactus, bangin Fat Patrick
hustla til i die baby grindin like a savage
pimp game sweet, breakin ankles and feet
cuz these hoes break they toes til they job complete

H-Town made L.A. paid

I'd say their fame helped them outrun their misdeeds amongst "our" generation.

They had enough good will built up from their music that alot of people could easily separate the men from their music (whether appropriate or not). XXXtancion wasn't quite there yet in pop culture.

On top of that, the issue of domestic violence has a much higher profile in today and Pun was already dead before most people learned of his abuse.

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"You ain't kissed his mama, how the fuck you ride for him?
You dick-eating niggas probably wish you died for him
And I admired his work, but I ain't never cried for him"

- Pusha T

In fact, for Tupac, there were similar eulogies as those for XXXTentacion. Folks mentioned his jail time and controversial history while at the same time recognizing his talent.

When BIG was killed, we didn't know of the allegations that Lil Kim had made.

too...yes?

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

....Lennon wasn't exactly a role model even though he's portrayed as a hippie and did have some good qualities

...the 2 artists you named also had allegations of abuse against them too. None of this is new. We always struggle with the personal lives of entertainers vs. the art which may inspire us. We could probably go back 100 years and find a popular artist with some serious skeletons in their closet.

The comparison of XXTentacion and Biggie/Pac isn't groundbreaking. This post feels like a big dose of whataboutism to me.

The Biggie beat Lil' Kim claim is news to me...so there's that

Pac was getting arrested on a daily basis...so it wasn't so much the claim of sex crimes that was passed over...it was, oh, Pac got arrested again that I would assume was the reason most people passed it over

TBH, I don't even know this XXXtengallonhat dude nor his music

so to try and compare internationally recognized greats...with some dude...I think you can see how people would still cherish their careers in comparision

no?

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

most folks were like.. "oh, he got shot again? When does his next album drop?"

and then half of us didn't believe he really died.

dude was larger than life in some ways due to his run ins with the law

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I mean, might as well accuse Harvard of misogyny...or whatever the claim is by the OP...

We kinda walked up to the line in the Arruh/Spotify post...which was the intent of my reply

art separate artist

I fully expect that if we held a microscope up to anybody we could find something that makes us uncomfortable

Why do people expect entertainers to be different...or saints...?

We're all flawed

Their flaws are just highly visible

and some of the most flawed people make the greatest art

anybody want to #metoo Pablo Picasso?

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

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Coolin...

Progress...

that was 20 years ago...

its 2018 the social contract/social norms are rapidly changing and adjusting in the internet 2.0 era

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Producer in Kidz In The Hall
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IG: @godouble0
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If i compare my reaction to XXXtencion's death, to my parents reaction to Big or Tupac's death, it's probably a better comparison.

Young people gonna turn XXX into some kind of martyr. Old people gonna consider him a lost one who was headed down a wrong path.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

>If i compare my reaction to XXXtencion's death, to my parents
>reaction to Big or Tupac's death, it's probably a better
>comparison.
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>Young people gonna turn XXX into some kind of martyr. Old
>people gonna consider him a lost one who was headed down a
>wrong path.

And maybe they knew better than us...

From the moment I peeped kids interview with K Foxx I knew he was deeply disturbed and the likelihood that his life would be extremely short was high..

How could you now peep the first album and see... A. Extremely talented because of how emotionally fucked up he is and B. No one was gonna step in/help the destructive path he was on... They'd rather watch the show..

and even literally up to the last seconds of his death that was the case.. People didn't rush over to help.. just turned on the cell phones and watched

Double 0
DJ/Producer/Artist
Producer in Kidz In The Hall
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twitter: @godouble0
IG: @godouble0
www.thinklikearapper.com

>and even literally up to the last seconds of his death that
>was the case.. People didn't rush over to help.. just turned
>on the cell phones and watched

Kind of fucks me up to think about.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

it's not wrong to be cognizant of their monstrosity.

It's great that more consumers are refusing to support bad people's art financially, but it's unfortunate that so few of us are apply to apply such rigidity in a consistent manner. It's hard not to make exceptions for artists we like and/or perceive as having a message inconsistent with their monstrous behavior.

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album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

avy by buckshot_defunct

yikes.

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Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

DROkayplayer™

no tears from me for Biggie, Pac, Eazy E, Big Pun et al

hip hop (hell, black music in general) is and always has been soaked in misogyny. i've never spent a penny on any of the 4 artists i just named...and many more

do I appreciate their contribution and acknowledge their talent? sure. but how people treat other humans means more to me than their genius.

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'Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. ~Victor Hugo'

have you never enjoyed a misogynistic song?

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

can't say that I've ever truly enjoyed a misogynistic song...over the years, select ones have nostalgia attached for various reasons and its fun to dance to it in club because everyone is so hyped about it...but nah I'm not bumpling that shit in my car w/the windows down rapping out loud, like I do w/shit like Luchini

But the very fact that men ignore the misogyny in hip hop cuz they love the artist the beat is hot and the rhymes are clever is part of why we are all so fucked up...all that shit is way more important to you than how women are talked about and treated. Misogyny doesn't affect you so you ignore it

white people do the same shit when it comes to racism.

d

women LOVE rap just as much, if not more, than men...

don't even try that shit

and yall PAY for the shit.

Jay, Nas, Biggie concerts had more women than men back in the day.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Like i wish they'd bring back the ignore button so I don't even see at all when you reply.

cheers,

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I didn't cry over it

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I loved his "get around" phase but then when he went full on death row he lost me and I remember not liking him because I totally cringed at the kids in high school who loved him

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Dude was among my top 5 favorite rappers of the day.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

Pun was a fave, but knowing what we know now, i just don't enjoy it the same.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

but after I heard that shit?

I just don't.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

for Phife...

but if I did it would be for someone like Phife or Common.

Damn sure wouldn’t cry over a thug rapper.

I cried inside for Prince tho. Bruce Lee tears.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

You sound like a MAGA boy right now.

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