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KiloMcG
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"XXXTentacion Shot"


  

          

http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/18/xxxtentacion-shot-dead-miami/

yep, my coworker who gets TMZ alerts told me.

  

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hes probably dead off the clips i saw. damn.
Jun 18th 2018
1
the dude that beat up the pregnant chick right?
Jun 18th 2018
2
It's a shame.
Jun 18th 2018
3
OH! Oh?! Oh? oh.
Jun 18th 2018
4
Me too
Jun 18th 2018
10
Welp
Jun 18th 2018
5
sad. dude is crazy young, you'd have hoped he would
Jun 18th 2018
6
also fucked if his young fans think he's something to idolize
Jun 18th 2018
7
is this the dude that be daring cats to clap him?
Jun 18th 2018
8
no that's the other guy with the face tats and name you think is ajoke
Jun 18th 2018
9
He's gone.
Jun 18th 2018
11
Rest in peace.
Jun 18th 2018
12
Shit, man.
Jun 18th 2018
14
Don't worry
Jun 18th 2018
18
Damn, tragic.
Jun 18th 2018
19
Was he even a hood dude?
Jun 18th 2018
13
Probably a robbery
Jun 18th 2018
15
he grew up in the system
Jun 19th 2018
47
condolences to his Family and loved ones
Jun 18th 2018
16
that uncensored video was rough to watch. RIP.
Jun 18th 2018
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r.i.p. jimmy wopo
Jun 18th 2018
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https://youtu.be/uzyA_vx_HuM
Jun 18th 2018
21
Glad this isn't an RIP post
Jun 18th 2018
22
What is your avi?
Jun 18th 2018
23
Vic Mackey finding out about Lem.
Jun 18th 2018
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That was only partially helpful.
Jun 18th 2018
25
Good one
Jun 19th 2018
28
good 1.
Jun 20th 2018
108
RE: What is your avi?
Jun 19th 2018
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      Oh. Fuck him.
Jun 19th 2018
31
I honestly think he was the best talent of his generation...
Jun 18th 2018
26
      That was excellent commentary, sir. Bravo.
Jun 19th 2018
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      That's assuming he gets pac or biggie treatment
Jun 19th 2018
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      There’s a conversation on cognitive dissonance to be had
Jun 19th 2018
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      did you just set up a "pimping isn't worse than" argument?
Jun 19th 2018
33
           turrible
Jun 19th 2018
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           Nope. Said there’s a disconnect in how we view abuse of many vs one
Jun 19th 2018
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      didn't follow dudes career but he was spitting in that controversial vid...
Jun 19th 2018
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      What about Child Abusers?
Jun 19th 2018
40
           I think the point is bigger than that tho
Jun 19th 2018
41
                Fair points.
Jun 19th 2018
42
                That would be a good point if we were sure it was just a robbery.
Jun 19th 2018
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                True. but initial reports is that it was a robbery
Jun 19th 2018
44
                Bro, I say this with all respect...you just don't the half...or even the...
Jun 19th 2018
46
                     Thanks for all the insight
Jun 19th 2018
49
                     That's pretty typical abusee/abuser relationship stuff.
Jun 19th 2018
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                          i fail to see why i have to contextualize something unproven
Jun 19th 2018
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                               Ahhh, so you don't believe her.
Jun 20th 2018
62
                               bruh. this is why people are sick of outrage culture.
Jun 20th 2018
66
                                    What am I missing? That there relationship was complicated?
Jun 20th 2018
88
                                         "defense of him"....yeah, bro...let's just stop here. i'm good.
Jun 20th 2018
91
                                              his ex tweeted this
Jun 20th 2018
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                                              that girl was the first person i thought of when i heard
Jun 20th 2018
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                                              How is all this "you just don't the half" talk not defending him?
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                   you continue to overlook the obvious trauma this young man dealt with
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                        I see the trauma and it just doesn't persuade me.
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                             interesting work you are doing Buddy.. God approves
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                             yes, i most certainly agree with this:
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                                  my issue is we had that convo on here
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                                       This
Jun 21st 2018
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                               modern outrage culture doesn't do nuance. This is hella interesting
Jun 20th 2018
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      I dont know im torn
Jun 19th 2018
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      same.
Jun 19th 2018
38
      Ima put some respect on this reply...
Jun 19th 2018
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      /post
Jun 19th 2018
48
Another young kid murdered. Another son, brother, etc. dead
Jun 19th 2018
45
Man, the kid had the world in his hands...
Jun 19th 2018
50
On a macro level...
Jun 19th 2018
51
Is it possible to separate the music from the personal?
Jun 19th 2018
53
      So full disclosure...
Jun 19th 2018
54
in a strange way his death makes sense.
Jun 19th 2018
52
this is what he asked the world for
Jun 19th 2018
58
      X's boy Ski Mask said something similar.....
Jun 20th 2018
61
"I’m finna domestically abuse y’all little sisters’ pu$$y...
Jun 19th 2018
57
Yay.
Jun 19th 2018
59
I'm gonna arrest you and let the homeboys run a train on your GF
Jun 20th 2018
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      RE: I'm gonna arrest you and let the homeboys run a train on your GF
Jun 20th 2018
71
      Ummm...
Jun 20th 2018
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           Im confused myself, lol. this is like we having 1990 arguments
Jun 20th 2018
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           well shit, I thought Buddy posted his lyrics
Jun 20th 2018
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           I thought this was lyrics from a song
Jun 20th 2018
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Some people around here claim you gotta hear both sides
Jun 19th 2018
60
thats an awful lyric or tweet...
Jun 20th 2018
64
it's actually pretty easy to contextualize
Jun 20th 2018
65
Lol. Is it analyze that lyric time?
Jun 20th 2018
67
right?
Jun 20th 2018
68
      You guys are defending the statement as lyrics. These aren't lyrics.
Jun 20th 2018
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           Yet you ignore reply 65 which is an actual reply to your request...
Jun 20th 2018
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           My bad. They looked like lyrics. What I'm pushing back against is....
Jun 20th 2018
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           yeah, this is where i'm at with it
Jun 20th 2018
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           while the body is still warm
Jun 20th 2018
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           I want people to not gloss over the terribleness of this person
Jun 20th 2018
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                don't gloss over the talent, beauty and potential people saw
Jun 20th 2018
90
                I'm not sure why you're defending white people here, but...
Jun 20th 2018
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                     I'm not defending white people, I am saying yall acting just like them
Jun 20th 2018
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                          but bro, is it just that simple? Seems like you want to make...
Jun 20th 2018
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                          We all dogged him out when he was presented to GD
Jun 20th 2018
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                          why is it a dichotomy?
Jun 20th 2018
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                          ^^^^^
Jun 21st 2018
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                          That's a complete fair assessment. I am not at all against that.
Jun 21st 2018
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                               again
Jun 21st 2018
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                                    Stop.
Jun 22nd 2018
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                                         when did he say we couldn't be horrified by what he said?
Jun 22nd 2018
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                                         is it possible for me to not take horrific words literally?
Jun 22nd 2018
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                          According to ur own logic, u're acting like All Lives Matter whites righ...
Jun 21st 2018
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                               these conversations are so interesting/lo-key terrifying to me now.
Jun 21st 2018
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                               in Buddy's defense
Jun 21st 2018
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                               HA!
Jun 21st 2018
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                               I'm conservative because I object to you defending XXX saying
Jun 21st 2018
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                                    bruh, you really believe dude wanted to rape kids?
Jun 21st 2018
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                                    I admitted i thought it was a song lyric
Jun 21st 2018
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                                         Your changing your story. See your own post #64.
Jun 21st 2018
                                         I said it was an AWFUL lyric or tweet because it is...
Jun 21st 2018
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                                              I don't get it. Does it matter whether it's a tweet or a lyric?
Jun 21st 2018
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                                                   most definitely matters if its a song lyric
Jun 21st 2018
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                                         Your changing your story. See your own post #64.
Jun 21st 2018
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                               Yeah, it can be exhausting for me, but it reveals some nuggets.
Jun 21st 2018
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                                    YUUUUP
Jun 21st 2018
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                               If you have so much compassion for the women victims, why
Jun 21st 2018
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                                    prolly cause he just got killed?
Jun 21st 2018
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                                    Right. And that's a bullshit dishonest way to talk about him
Jun 21st 2018
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                                         but we had that convo THEN when it was first reported
Jun 21st 2018
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                                    So you're doing that thing where you ignore 99% of my reply
Jun 21st 2018
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                                         *waits for the day boogie talks about a situation where
Jun 21st 2018
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                                         I ignore 99% of your reply when I interject race into it.
Jun 21st 2018
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                                              Right, u interjected race in an odd "reverse racism" kind of way
Jun 22nd 2018
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                                              This.
Jun 22nd 2018
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                                                   Then explain this, since you want to cosign the lies...
Jun 22nd 2018
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                                                        imagine these folks walking and trying to chew gum
Jun 22nd 2018
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                                                        I never said anything about things needing to be one way or the other.
Jun 22nd 2018
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                                                        What are you even talking about?
Jun 22nd 2018
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                                                             You specifically consigned him saying "you and others"
Jun 22nd 2018
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                                                                  cosigned*
Jun 22nd 2018
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           you coulda just told us
Jun 20th 2018
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           this post is legit scary...
Jun 20th 2018
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                I agree, but we mean totally different things when we say that. n/m
Jun 20th 2018
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                     spot on
Jun 20th 2018
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Maybe we should ask Biggie about Gutter.
Jun 20th 2018
70
After Charleston shooting..
Jun 20th 2018
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y'all want it to be one way so bad...lmao
Jun 20th 2018
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Your point?
Jun 20th 2018
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as someone who has never heard not even one verse of one song...
Jun 20th 2018
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no blood, no splatter.. must've been a clean shot
Jun 20th 2018
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This song of his keeps playing in my mind:
Jun 20th 2018
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Joe Budden and cast with some sobering thoughts on his death (link)
Jun 20th 2018
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cool. so what are they doing for victims of domestic violence?
Jun 20th 2018
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did you listen to them saying they should do something
Jun 20th 2018
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did they list what the something is and make plans for concrete action
Jun 20th 2018
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You can hit them on social media to set up an interview. n/m
Jun 20th 2018
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      oh, so they didn't. thx. why would I want to talk to those losers?
Jun 21st 2018
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           You can hit them on social media to set up an interview. n/m
Jun 21st 2018
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                he doesn't care
Jun 21st 2018
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                Yeah I know he's trolling as always.
Jun 21st 2018
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                I do care, about victims of domestic violence
Jun 21st 2018
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                     not mad, just pointing out how you don't care about Buddens words
Jun 21st 2018
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                          why would I ask if I didn't care?
Jun 21st 2018
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                               you don't care because you won't watch those losers
Jun 21st 2018
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                which doesn't answer my question.
Jun 21st 2018
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                     You can hit them on social media to set up an interview. n/m
Jun 21st 2018
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                          exactly, never a word for victims of abuse from Boogie, ever.
Jun 21st 2018
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man this was really good.
Jun 21st 2018
115
Word. Budden on mental health issues is surprisingly tolerable.
Jun 21st 2018
118
Damn, Joe was on point
Jun 21st 2018
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^^^the whole cascade of ain't shit niggas
Jun 21st 2018
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Also..
Jun 21st 2018
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I realize general consensus is he's a monster but...
Jun 20th 2018
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Its sad for people who were fans and his family, friends etc
Jun 20th 2018
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copy/paste
Jun 21st 2018
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*updates database*
Jun 20th 2018
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damn, this is like, five minutes from my crib
Jun 21st 2018
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Welp
Jun 21st 2018
128
damn
Jun 21st 2018
130
There will be people close to this guy that will be hurt by this
Jun 21st 2018
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And there are people who are his victims and the victims of DV
Jun 21st 2018
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aren't we supposed to believe in his potential to change?
Jun 21st 2018
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doesn't OKP always preach about rehabilitation for jailed inmates?
Jun 21st 2018
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you don't have to respond to me
Jun 21st 2018
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      so is that a yes or no? you came a long way in 10 years
Jun 21st 2018
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      If you scroll up on this page, you'll see
Jun 21st 2018
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           I accused you of not caring about Buddens convo
Jun 21st 2018
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                I don't care about the show any but I do actually hope
Jun 21st 2018
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      oh, we tough on crime, are we? cool. lemma ask ya this...
Jun 21st 2018
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           people can be really fucking stupid, bruh
Jun 21st 2018
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           you have exactly described your own behavior
Jun 21st 2018
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           https://i.gifer.com/9Bcv.gif
Jun 21st 2018
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           who the fuck are you replying to?
Jun 21st 2018
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                just mourn his lost potential as you definitely always do
Jun 21st 2018
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                     yeah that has nothing to do with anything you said.
Jun 21st 2018
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right here.
Jun 21st 2018
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she being mean-spirited, but she right.
Jun 21st 2018
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      you cant be this obtuse
Jun 21st 2018
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           yeah, i know. and she IS being mean-spirited.
Jun 21st 2018
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           are y'all not lying ass hypocrite suckers?
Jun 21st 2018
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                all I did was explain her intent
Jun 21st 2018
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                Wait until Trump dies.
Jun 21st 2018
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                     why wait? Fuck him
Jun 21st 2018
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                     I fully agree, but I’m not one of those respect the dead people.
Jun 21st 2018
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                          replace right with white and I agree 100%
Jun 21st 2018
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                               I’m blackity black black.
Jun 21st 2018
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                                    word
Jun 21st 2018
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                     the 70+ guy who getting WORSE? lmao
Jun 21st 2018
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RE: XXXTentacion Shot
Jun 21st 2018
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watching some of dudes early interviews is wild
Jun 21st 2018
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RE: watching some of dudes early interviews is wild
Jun 21st 2018
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      no doubt
Jun 21st 2018
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FALL BACK is what you can do
Jun 21st 2018
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      RE: FALL BACK is what you can do
Jun 21st 2018
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Arrest made
Jun 21st 2018
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four indicted, two in custody
Jul 19th 2018
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      soo many people involved you knew someone was gon snitch
Jul 20th 2018
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What's ironic is I was put on to some XXX songs by my niece and nephew.....
Jul 19th 2018
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once you listen for five seconds you can see how
Jul 20th 2018
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fk him.
Jul 22nd 2018
212

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "hes probably dead off the clips i saw. damn."
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houston_hardhead
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2. "the dude that beat up the pregnant chick right?"
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ok..

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So i'm smokin on this cactus, bangin Fat Patrick
hustla til i die baby grindin like a savage
pimp game sweet, breakin ankles and feet
cuz these hoes break they toes til they job complete

H-Town made L.A. paid

  

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Ryan M
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3. "It's a shame. "
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I mean, he seems like a vile piece of shit. But a 20 year old losing his life is sad as hell regardless.

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4. "OH! Oh?! Oh? oh. "
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I thought this was Tekashi 69

but then I realized I was washed as fuck and I had the two people mixed up. Dag yo.

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KiloMcG
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10. "Me too "
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>I thought this was Tekashi 69

  

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Stringer Bell
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5. "Welp"
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If he passes, I won't be making an appearance in the official RIP post.

  

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Rjcc
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6. "sad. dude is crazy young, you'd have hoped he would"
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turn his life toward something positive and now there's probably no chance for that.

but he also might have hurt someone again, so

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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7. "also fucked if his young fans think he's something to idolize"
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ugh

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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8. "is this the dude that be daring cats to clap him? "
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9. "no that's the other guy with the face tats and name you think is ajoke"
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tekashi 69 or whatever

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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11. "He's gone."
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https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1008827311565803521

  

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12. "Rest in peace."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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14. "Shit, man."
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That said, hope the kids don't 2Pac this kid.

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18. "Don't worry"
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I don't think they have that sort of attention span anymore

>That said, hope the kids don't 2Pac this kid.

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KiloMcG
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19. "Damn, tragic. "
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It didn't sound good from the onset. Sad loss of life. Peace and prayers to his family and loved ones.

  

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13. "Was he even a hood dude?"
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Cowardly to run up and shoot him. My impression of him was a mentally ill kid with musical talent who was out of control. Was he a threat in the streets? Killing a guy who sings about suicide and depression. Backwards ass point to make.

  

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15. "Probably a robbery"
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47. "he grew up in the system"
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and by all indications...if he wasn't hood...very hood adjacent

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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16. "condolences to his Family and loved ones"
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although by most accounts he wasn't the most positive dude

Garrette's Revenge will forever remain my song though

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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dustin
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17. "that uncensored video was rough to watch. RIP."
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kinetic94761180
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20. "r.i.p. jimmy wopo"
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here's hoping shit don't come in threes today.

wild out there.

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Paps_Smear
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21. "https://youtu.be/uzyA_vx_HuM"
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https://youtu.be/uzyA_vx_HuM

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22. "Glad this isn't an RIP post"
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Allows folks to more honestly speak on this dude.


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23. "What is your avi? "
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24. "Vic Mackey finding out about Lem."
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25. "That was only partially helpful. "
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Haha

  

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28. "Good one"
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108. "good 1."
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Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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29. "RE: What is your avi? "
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https://nypost.com/2013/03/24/fdny-ems-lt-spews-racist-anti-semitic-tweets-but-cried-when-confronted/

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31. "Oh. Fuck him. "
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26. "I honestly think he was the best talent of his generation..."
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And I also think he should have been sentenced to a good 5 years to wipe his slate clean and be allowed to become an living legend just like all these former pimps, killers, woman beaters in they 40, 50s and 60s that we consider icons.

but, that didn't happen. now he dead and grown ass clueless people are gonna stay busy tryna convince the kids that are crying over the dude right now that he ain't worth their tears.

i've seen this movie before. just gonna be a buncha old niggas mad someone did a doc on him and humanized him by not making his allegations the center of his being.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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27. "That was excellent commentary, sir. Bravo."
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30. "That's assuming he gets pac or biggie treatment"
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Every dead rapper isn't so lucky.

I won't stop anyone else for crying over this dude, but I can't shed a tear for who tried to shove a barbecue fork into a woman's genitals.



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32. "There’s a conversation on cognitive dissonance to be had"
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Particularly when we talk about pimpin vs torturing and abusing one single human being.
I don’t have the words or thoughts and this clearly isn’t the place.

I’m sad for his family.

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33. "did you just set up a "pimping isn't worse than" argument?"
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as if torture and pimping are mutually exclusive?

yeah, i've said enough. i ain't going down this road with y'all.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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35. "turrible"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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36. "Nope. Said there’s a disconnect in how we view abuse of many vs one "
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34. "didn't follow dudes career but he was spitting in that controversial vid..."
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no one deserves to die like that..

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40. "What about Child Abusers?"
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Like this guy

http://abc7ny.com/man-charged-in-death-of-girlfriends-3-year-old-son/3520579/

I use this example not to compare with xxx but to question your idea that no one deserves to die like this.

We can agree this child abuser is too vile to share a tear over right? (Or maybe you believe everyone is a child of god and deserves god's love which I can respect and understand. It's also consistent.)

What I think it hypocritical though is people (not you necessarily) having this soft spot for certain heinous activity and speaking the language of sympathy and understanding at the expense of recognizing black women as victims.

I get it. It's a judgement call. You can say beating a 3 year old to death isn't as bad as beating women.

But I am fine with making the judgement call that the dude who attempted to sodomize a woman with a BBQ fork isn't worth my sympathy.


On another note, that whole glamourization of pimps as lady's men and elder statements of the hood is bullshit to me. Fuck them.

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41. "I think the point is bigger than that tho"
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he’s been continously harrassing his ex: if he rolled up with his goons and she shot him that would be one thing; some proper comuppance, some revenge shit. So I can get people who’ve gone through some shit projecting what they wish they would happen to their abusers.

Thing is this wasn’t Death Wish, this was a young dude getting shot at a robbery which can happen to us/our kids/our nephews any time. David Hogg shouted out Wopo’s death not because he’s a fan of underground rap, but that gun violence at the end of the day is the same. When I got some real world money I too would try to floss in Miami on some income tax swag (c)Danny Brown) shit. This wasnt some karmatoc angel, it was the same meatgrinder that killed a mother of five in Atlanta a few days ago by her ex, same meatgrinder thar has niggas shoot up an art show (!!!) in Jersey injuring 22 over the weekend, etc

  

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42. "Fair points. "
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I think a lot of us know that when it’s hot outside it gets outside though.
Feels like it’s always been that way

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43. "That would be a good point if we were sure it was just a robbery. "
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I don't think it's settled and I am thinking there is a likelihood that the gunman knew it was XXX and people he possibly had run ins with in the past.

But I don't know and haven't looked at it too hard.


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44. "True. but initial reports is that it was a robbery"
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and witnesses say they stole a louie bag before they sped off (btw, the nigganets were already posting persons of interest who seemed to be swagged our stickup boys as opposed to some long shimmering beef).

That said, like I said above much of the ‘fuck xxx’ comes from people happy there’s one less abuser out there and I cant judge what brought em to the point that its such any easy call: on the flip much of the mourning is less about him being a ‘good’ person but all of us knowing a young kid shot over bullshit (even tho like you pointed out, it might not necessarily be over bullshit ).

  

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46. "Bro, I say this with all respect...you just don't the half...or even the..."
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I been following him and her on social media for nearly two years and there's so much to their story that has gone unreported, as it did not fit the narrative. i just never felt the need to talk about the shit.

when i first began following him, one of the first messages he posted on his snap was a plea to his fans to leave geneva (her name) alone. That was when he first got out of jail early last year. He must have made messages to that effect about a half dozen times, telling those kids they aren't his real fans if that's what they think is helping him.

for her part, she was constantly posting herself listening to his music and posted old vids of them together. there was a no contact order separating them and she lamented it OFTEN. at one point, his manager sent a message through his label's ig directed at her asking her to stop trying to contact him, because she'll only make things worse for them both. they didn't use her name, but everyone following them knew, because it was right after she'd posted another vid about him.

that girl is on IG right now going through it, talmbout how she knows she probably won't be invited to the funeral. i pray she doesn't, because it can't be good for her.

And I won't even get into how likely it is that they were still seeing each other most of last year...because that's out there, too. she posted a video of a guy in bed with the grey locks and seemingly shaved eyebrows. yeah...that was his look for a good two months last summer. she deleted it within minutes, but it was too late. Soon after, more charges came...witness tampering.

Hell here it go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M27QGzZ4vuo

like i said, this is going to be a HELL of documentary, because the best reporting i've seen of this story has been by fucking teenagers who've been aggregating YEARS of tweets, DMs, snaps, ig stories, etc.

it's all going to come out. this ain't like when niggas was trying to piece together clues that mike tyson or tupac wasn't guilty. these kids digging all this shit up...because it's out there.



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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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49. "Thanks for all the insight"
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And yes, a documentary would be fascinating.

Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

  

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55. "That's pretty typical abusee/abuser relationship stuff."
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I was pretty sure she wasn't a Michelle Obama type and he wasn't always a mustache-twirling villain.

Not surprising she considered herself still in love with him.

Fail to see where that contextualizes the BBQ fork in the vagina bit.

I think it would be more persuasive and you told the sad story about how he was the victim of abuse and he is just perpetuating the cycle.

What you wrote though sounds almost like she was asking for it.



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56. "i fail to see why i have to contextualize something unproven "
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>Fail to see where that contextualizes the BBQ fork in the
>vagina bit.

like i said, all that shit will come out eventually. because it's out there. i ain't gonna be tabloidish here and start posting DMs and screenshots and phone calls, bruh. that's why there was going to be a TRIAL. it almost feels hopeless saying words like "proof" accusation" "evidence" these days, because it's clear that shit just don't land with people now.

i'll just say this about the charges...all they had that they could possibly PROVE was witness tampering. that's why they added those charges. I believe that would have stuck and he would have done 2-3 of a 5 year sentence.


>I think it would be more persuasive and you told the sad story
>about how he was the victim of abuse and he is just
>perpetuating the cycle.

that's been obvious from jump.


>What you wrote though sounds almost like she was asking for
>it.

in this climate? i don't doubt that's what you sincerely believe. and i can't help that. i can't help how funky people get when new info is introduced that doesn't fit what they've imagined. if i didn't give a shit about that girl, i wouldn't have ever started learning more about her and what she went through and is going through.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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62. "Ahhh, so you don't believe her."
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So he didn't do this too her eye

https://www.gofundme.com/2ubv19w

I just your basis for not believing her is not the fact she wanted to get back with him or professed to still be in love with him, or anything like that because that's typical in abusive relationship.


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66. "bruh. this is why people are sick of outrage culture."
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i DO believe her. i was talking about what could be PROVEN in a court of law, especially given that fact she wasn't going to testify, wanted the charges dropped and didn't want him in jail, because he'd spend most of his teenage years there and it wasn't helping him.

you so stuck on your agenda, you actually just yadda yadda'd everything i said and told me what i believe.

bottomline: i know more about this than you. because i WANT to know.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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88. "What am I missing? That there relationship was complicated?"
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I conceded that. I get it. He wasn't always a terrible person. She wasn't always a sympathetic victim. Like I said, it's very common in abusive relationships.

What I don't understand is what is the relevance of what can be proven in court? Who gives a shit about what can be proven in court? Especially now that he is dead.

The question to me is was this dude a POS human being (not what can be proven in court) and I say yes base on what we know he did (unless you are saying what we hear isn't true).

You keep saying there is more to the story but I am wondering what you can share that would change that impression.

Again, if you talked about his rough upbringing or mental health issues, I think that could create sympathy for him.

HOWEVER, if your defense of him is all the stuff the victim did to show her love for him, or want to be with him or did to protect him, my point is none of that is persuasive because THAT'S WHAT ABUSED PEOPLE DO!



The funny thing is I am not outraged. I am the one like fuck this guy and moving on and yall are mad that some people could care less about dude's death.



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91. ""defense of him"....yeah, bro...let's just stop here. i'm good."
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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93. "his ex tweeted this"
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Ayala took to Twitter and said “i know y’all don’t f**k w me, but this isn’t about me. just please stop tagging me in disrespectful threads and arguments. i honestly don’t care for any of the hype. i lost someone close to me. leave me alone.”

She continued in another tweet, saying: “it’s disgusting that people are speaking for me. i don’t care if no one cared about me however many months ago, i didn’t lose my life. he did. it’s permanent. i’m still here. like how do you think that makes me feel? everyone expecting me to be relieved or happy?! no, i’m broken.”


folks out here using her name to celebrate dudes death. Grown men too....smh.

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99. "that girl was the first person i thought of when i heard"
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she needs to be around people that love her. she's alone.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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129. "How is all this "you just don't the half" talk not defending him?"
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Your whole vague talk of "there is more to the story". I get that you are trying to express that it's more complicated than it appears, but that is an effort to make him look not as bad as he appears. That's a form of defending him as a person.





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165. "you continue to overlook the obvious trauma this young man dealt with"
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and how that trauma manifested in his life. you're hell bent on making him out to be a horrible person. why exactly are you doing this?

  

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173. "I see the trauma and it just doesn't persuade me."
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Man there isn't a person in prison, or doing horrible things to other people, that if you dug deep enough, or looked at a certain way, can't be seen in a sympathetic light.

Every murderer, child abuser, rapist, serial killer has suffered extensive trauma. Everyone of them.

What's interesting to me in this post is who people are willing to have compassion for and who people aren't so understanding.

If the person is an artist, people use the art to find understanding and compassion.

I also guarantee without fail, if the victim is a woman of color who has suffered DV or sexual violence, folks are more willing to dig deep and show a compassion that they don't show to other people.





>and how that trauma manifested in his life. you're hell bent
>on making him out to be a horrible person. why exactly are
>you doing this?


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177. "interesting work you are doing Buddy.. God approves"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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183. "yes, i most certainly agree with this:"
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>Man there isn't a person in prison, or doing horrible things
>to other people, that if you dug deep enough, or looked at a
>certain way, can't be seen in a sympathetic light.
>
>Every murderer, child abuser, rapist, serial killer has
>suffered extensive trauma. Everyone of them.


so the real problem is how we deal with and treat those who have suffered great trauma, and in many instances, continuous trauma in this country. berating them for being "horrible people" is not the answer.

and this in no way (at least what i'm saying) diminishes my feelings of sorrow, sympathy or empathy for those who have been victims of abuse by anyone. that's trauma too, and who knows how that will manifest itself in their lives. shit man, those victims may turn in to "horrible people" too and in turn abuse others. that's what trauma does. so at which point in this terrible cycle of abuse are you gonna put your finger down and point at the "horrible person"? it could be anywhere, you're arbitrarily pointing at this young man. why not whoever inflicted this trauma upon him, or the person/people/etc who inflicted it upon that person, or the person before that and on and on and on. this is a major issue that needs to be dealt with. calling them "horrible people" is not going to solve anything, or reduce the sympathy towards those who are victimized. i'm not overlooking or diminishing the things he did and said, but instead looking at the bigger picture of the circumstances that were out of his control that got him to that point.

  

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188. "my issue is we had that convo on here"
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and I think Buddy may have even brought this kid to the board when that weirdo comedian pointed out how the tastemakers were pushing him and Kodak.

most folks dogged the kid out and called him trash

but for me, I'm not going to party over his murder. I could see if he was still on some ugly shit and got got for his past but it sounds like a robbery.

also, I bet money Buddy still dances to Pun, Biggie and Pac.

I've never been one to party over Black 20 year old's being killed. I just think at that age and with the way he looked and acted he was a little off. This doesn't mean I didn't want him to pay for his crimes but I damn sure wouldn't be out here celebrating his murder.

I'm not that perfect to celebrate a murder like this.

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196. "This "
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>I've never been one to party over Black 20 year old's being
>killed. I just think at that age and with the way he looked
>and acted he was a little off. This doesn't mean I didn't want
>him to pay for his crimes but I damn sure wouldn't be out here
>celebrating his murder.


And I don't think Buddy celebrating his murder/death either, but he's being extra af in here demonizing this troubled young man. Trauma is real.

  

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63. "modern outrage culture doesn't do nuance. This is hella interesting"
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37. "I dont know im torn"
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I see it both ways.

Like I rage on the boards when people try to be like, “THIS YOUTH RAP IS KILLING THE BLACK COMMUNITY” as if we arent playing The Chronic at BBQ’s as childhood classics.

On the flip, I don’t know if I am mad at the purity tests flying around. Like we were the fucked up ones for letting Pun slide, not holding Dre to task for beating Dee...etc. We were fucked up for that. You can make the argument that there’s an overcorrection (That glee in his death is fucked up) but its better then the collective shrug we gave as a culture

  

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38. "same."
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39. "Ima put some respect on this reply..."
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>And I also think he should have been sentenced to a good 5
>years to wipe his slate clean and be allowed to become an
>living legend just like all these former pimps, killers, woman
>beaters in they 40, 50s and 60s that we consider icons.
>
>but, that didn't happen. now he dead and grown ass clueless
>people are gonna stay busy tryna convince the kids that are
>crying over the dude right now that he ain't worth their
>tears.


Dont know about the talent part(I gotta do my googlez) but da callous manner with which ninjaz is celebratin his demise is kinda sickening.

I mean, ninjaz on twitter is damn-near doin ElectricSlide to dis shit like Sun was da next coming of Hitler. I cant rock wit dat.


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48. "/post"
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IG: amadu_me

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45. "Another young kid murdered. Another son, brother, etc. dead"
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50. "Man, the kid had the world in his hands..."
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Like I said in the post below, I'm old so I likely don't "get it."

But I've spent a lot of time in this are and at these venues. I've seen a lot of acts of varying degrees of fame. I have never, ever, ever seen a crowd or a response like this.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2988453&mesg_id=2988453&listing_type=search#2995110

I'm not ignoring the elephant in the room. The kid definitely had a lot of troubles and seemingly had a long way to go. From the stuff I've read, he seemed to enjoy being cruel to his girl. No excuses for him at all. But a lot worse people have cleaned up their acts and gone on to do good things. That's not to say that he would have...but it's always a possibility. It's the loss of potential that's sad to me.

  

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51. "On a macro level... "
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I am sad that there is another POC who has died b/c of gun violence.

On a micro level...

This motherfucker was a HORRIBLE human being. Deeply troubled without question, but he reveled in torturing people including his girlfriend and a cellmate he said was gay and that he enjoyed trying to kill (he graphically describes the details in at least one interview... )

While I'm not celebrating, I've no measure of sadness for his death -- partially because he was clearly in a lot of pain and now he's not, but mostly because he was a HORRIBLE human being.

And I'm not at all interested in discussions of his 'potential.' The most potential he displayed was that of someone who was likely to torture and kill, and no one seemed at all interested in addressing THAT potential. So Kanye, Kendrick, Jidenna, J. Cole and all of these idiots who are now RIP'ing and speaking of his 'potential' can kick rocks.

  

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53. "Is it possible to separate the music from the personal?"
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His music was definitely influential. I'd say Kanye's latest album was almost completely influenced by him.

His music made an impact and people are recognizing and reflecting on it.

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54. "So full disclosure... "
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I have/had NO idea who he was and usually avoided whatever tidbits TMZ had on him b/c I didn't know who he was and really didn't care. All that to say, I have never heard his music and know nothing about it.

BUT... I, personally, struggle with the separating the art from the artist. There's something about continuing to consume and celebrate the art of someone who is/was a ______ that doesn't sit right with me. I've not been able to move through it so, in general, I avoid consuming the art of those with whom I have issues.

  

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52. "in a strange way his death makes sense. "
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horrible, shit ass, inexcusable antics aside

he lived recklessly in a way thats not unlike playing an RPG on evil mode

I'm not saying he deserved anything but, his death is a neat resolution to his nihilistic reality.

In a way I'm really sad but I can't figure out why exactly. I guess it really came home when I decided to read up on his origin story and seeing how people react to childhood trauma differently

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58. "this is what he asked the world for"
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I did not help him get it, I did not want it to happen to him or anyone else.

but wtf am I supposed to do if dude dives into the bear trap and starts tapdancing on the trigger?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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61. "X's boy Ski Mask said something similar....."
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where he admitted that X needed help and he just couldn't be the one to give it because the guy was so reckless.

It's a shame. I could hear the talent on first listen but I felt like this would be how everything would unfold. I felt the same way about Waka Flocka Flame when he first came out.
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57. ""I’m finna domestically abuse y’all little sisters’ pu$$y... "
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from the back.”

-yalls boy.

Need some help putting this into context. Talk about it.



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59. "Yay."
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I don't celebrate his death but I struggle to muster up any type of sadness for the loss of someone who would say this...

  

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69. "I'm gonna arrest you and let the homeboys run a train on your GF"
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Denzel said this in Training Day.

awful? yes

Did you hate him as a person for saying this in a movie?



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71. "RE: I'm gonna arrest you and let the homeboys run a train on your GF"
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Denzel was playing a horrible human being in a movie.

this guy was a horrible human being in real life.

A lot of it for "likes" and re-tweets.

  

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75. "Ummm..."
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... he was playing a character?

  

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78. "Im confused myself, lol. this is like we having 1990 arguments"
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I expect tipper gore quotes.

Its hard to separate the person from their art where the art literally had references toward the acts (he had a song dedicated to the gf, etc).

While Bas does point out some of the tweets could just be trolly teenage behavior, to kinda insinuate IT HAS NO BEARING WHATSOEVER *shrug*

  

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85. "well shit, I thought Buddy posted his lyrics"
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my bad

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100. "I thought this was lyrics from a song"
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and my point is some of these rappers are playing characters...

but they are too young or immature to realize their words carry weight. Especially in a digital age.

dude definitely had a terrible past but I don't think he deserved to die like this. Imagine if Eminem was killed after wishing death on his mom and baby moms? Folks would really be on some "he was truly evil"

and maybe he was at the times.. who knows.



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60. "Some people around here claim you gotta hear both sides"
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in regards to him and his abuses.

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64. "thats an awful lyric or tweet... "
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but as someone who grew up on Ghetto Boys, NWA, Biggie, Eminem, etc..

just sayin'

I'm not defending his views or actions but this dude had a white kid hanging in his video.

He was on some dark shit.

When someone posted about him on here I can't front.. I thought it was a gimmick.

I still don't think his death and the filming of it is something to be celebrated.

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65. "it's actually pretty easy to contextualize"
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A) he was probably 18 at the time and his presence existed to rile people up, we have assholes here more than twice his age

B) if he felt backed into a corner, he doubled down on being offensive

are you asking for people to defend it? If so, I cant do that
but you asked for context

  

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67. "Lol. Is it analyze that lyric time?"
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68. "right? "
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not trying to cop pleas for dude but it's crazy how actors can rape, murder and curse in films and it's celebrated as good work

yet rappers say some awful shit in songs and we hold their feet to the fire.

How does Buddy feel about QT as a director? That dude is considered a great director by most even tho his content is pretty disgusting.

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76. "You guys are defending the statement as lyrics. These aren't lyrics. "
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http://www.power102jamz.com/xxxtentacion-responds-to-latest-domestic-abuse-allegations-ima-f-yall-little-sisters/

I mean yall could have figured out they weren't lyrics just by doing the googles, but yall seem invested in putting dude in the best like.

So yeah no, not lyrics. Adjust yall's defenses and try again defending this dude.



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77. "Yet you ignore reply 65 which is an actual reply to your request..."
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a reply that totally understood the context.

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80. "My bad. They looked like lyrics. What I'm pushing back against is...."
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The thing where people catalog every negative thing a person has done immediately upon their death.

Yes this was a troubled young man. I think very few people would call him a saint. But what purpose does it serve to list point by point everything he had done wrong?

Are you trying to convince people to be happy he's gone? Do you want to force them to defend everything he's said and done? Really, what is the point on this exercise?

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81. "yeah, this is where i'm at with it"
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>Really, what is the point on this exercise?

  

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86. "while the body is still warm"
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89. "I want people to not gloss over the terribleness of this person"
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while eulogizing him. If you are going to talk about how great and influential a musician he was, don't leave out the attempting to sodomize a woman with a BBQ Fork. Or this statement. Shit I am not talking about running down all of his faults. Let's just to be sure to not forget the top 3 terrible things he did.


Shit if you all read a bio of Thomas Jefferson that mentioned all his great achievements and not mention the fact that he was a slaveholder, yall be mad. Same concept.


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90. "don't gloss over the talent, beauty and potential people saw"
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this is my last word on it. NO ONE is telling y'all not to feel he was terrible. that's your business.

stop trying to convince other people what to feel, especially since you know so little about him.

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92. "I'm not sure why you're defending white people here, but..."
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>Shit if you all read a bio of Thomas Jefferson that mentioned
>all his great achievements and not mention the fact that he
>was a slaveholder, yall be mad. Same concept.

It ain't the same concept because 1) nobody is saying he was perfect, 2)Jefferson was a fully grown President of a nation whereas X was a rapper who wasn't even legally grown yet, and 3)Jefferson benefited from white supremacy while X was a victim of it in many ways, being a product of how our communities are targeted and oppressed, complete with being in the system from a young age. Very different but you're trying to compare us to white folks in a system of white supremacy like all things are equal. That doesn't make sense. This even seems quite hypocritical, b/c if I start focusing on all the terrible things about you, "you be mad," right? Is that the same concept too?

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101. "I'm not defending white people, I am saying yall acting just like them"
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Also trying to figure out the line here with your selective outrage/compassion.

You could say, and we probably all do, you have more compassion for this black man because they are a part of our tribe and we have more understanding of the trials and tribulations of a poor black kid. That makes sense but you should also be aware that taking that stand comes at the expense of black woman or this particular black woman.

If you are going to have compassion for this black man, you should have the same compassion for the black women he has hurt and threatened and be willing to acknowledge the harm he has done.


God I hate the line "Nobody's perfect". We ain't in the realm of discussing perfect. We talking about whether this Man is a horrible person or not.

I also don't get the idea that dude isn't legally an adult. Wasn't he 20 when he died?




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103. "but bro, is it just that simple? Seems like you want to make..."
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him either "ok" or "a piece of trash" for your own purposes and nothing in between is even possible.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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106. "We all dogged him out when he was presented to GD"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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109. "why is it a dichotomy?"
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Wed Jun-20-18 10:33 PM by kayru99

          

I can recognize that his crimes were terrible, he should probably do some time for them, hope the victim gets better, AND see that he's troubled as fuck and should have been got some help AND that he's talented AND that his death was fucked up too

Compassion ain't a zero sum game

  

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112. "^^^^^"
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123. "That's a complete fair assessment. I am not at all against that. "
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But that assessment should allow that when people want to wax poetically about his musically genius and influence, that someone else can come in and remind everyone that he threatened to sodomize little girls.

I am questioning why folks get worked up when people are doing that in here?




>I can recognize that his crimes were terrible, he should
>probably do some time for them, hope the victim gets better,
>AND see that he's troubled as fuck and should have been got
>some help AND that he's talented AND that his death was fucked
>up too
>
>Compassion ain't a zero sum game


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166. "again"
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Thu Jun-21-18 02:06 PM by atruhead

  

          

he more than likely said some crazy shit to further offend people who were already up his ass

ask yourself what were the odds of XXXtentacion finding out where everyone's little sister was on some Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back shit

he didnt have names, addresses or intent to go through with this, he was lashing back at the internet

  

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198. "Stop."
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Just stop.

It is WHOLLY disingenuous to even suggest that we shouldn't be horrified by what he said out of his own mouth b/c he didn't have the logistical ability to execute.

Get the ENTIRE FOH.

  

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202. "when did he say we couldn't be horrified by what he said?"
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why can't we do both?

what he said was horrible

being murdered in a robbery is horrible.

why can't we do both without being accused of not caring about domestic violence?

the hell are you guys smoking?

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203. "is it possible for me to not take horrific words literally?"
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Im trying my best to not argue against you, while acknowledging what he said

  

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111. "According to ur own logic, u're acting like All Lives Matter whites righ..."
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If you can remove all context to make that Jefferson comparison, then surely you can remove all context and see that we're simply talking about his life and his problems and that doesn't mean we don't care about the people he hurt. According to your logic, isn't that what white people do when we talk about Black lives mattering? This is as ridiculous a comparison as the Jefferson one, because it removes all context, but that's exactly kind of comparison you made. You're just doing it selectively.


>Also trying to figure out the line here with your selective
>outrage/compassion.
>
>You could say, and we probably all do, you have more
>compassion for this black man because they are a part of our
>tribe and we have more understanding of the trials and
>tribulations of a poor black kid. That makes sense but you
>should also be aware that taking that stand comes at the
>expense of black woman or this particular black woman.


No, it doesn't come at the expense of anyone at all. It's possible (and natural for me, at least) to have compassion for both. Kayru articulated this well in reply 109. This idea that compassion for one oppressed person's life comes at the expense of another is absurd. Also, this guy was dealing with trauma, abuse, neglect and probably more... and that kind of thing can disconnect folks from their feelings and sense of empathy, causing them to act in ways that they'll look back on in horror after they heal (and he seemed to be healing). That's not to say he wasn't fucked up or didn't hurt people, that's to say that he was definitely fucked up and he hurt people. Some of us are interested in *what* fucked him up, what disconnected him from his empathy, and some of us happen to be sympathetic to that kind of trauma for various reasons. If you don't have that level of concern for the community that you claim to care about, then ok. I can't say why you don't... maybe you didn't experience it or whatever. Maybe you're just not a sympathetic person. Who knows. But it's futile to try to convince the rest of us to simply call him (and other traumatized people) a "horrible person" and say "fuck him". We're all affected in different ways by the system, but the most negatively affected among us simply need the most help in most cases.



>If you are going to have compassion for this black man, you
>should have the same compassion for the black women he has
>hurt and threatened and be willing to acknowledge the harm he
>has done.


It makes absolutely no sense that you're assuming I/we don't. What *I'm* trying to figure out is why speaking with compassion for him makes you assume that people have none for her. Again, Kayru articulated this well in reply 109.


>God I hate the line "Nobody's perfect".


I didn't say "Nobody's perfect" so that's completely irrelevant.


>We talking about whether this Man is a
>horrible person or not.


No, that's what *you're* talking about.



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116. "these conversations are so interesting/lo-key terrifying to me now."
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we're talking about dude because he got murdered.
Yes he did some foul shit.
Yes he should've done time.
He's dead now.
Do we look at the details of his life and try to learn from them, or do we just accept his dead nigger body as the logical result of traumatic nigger life, and shrug and KIM?
You know how many kids have similar experiences to dude out here right now?
And why is addressing the patterns that contributed to him doing the shit he did seen as *condoning* the shit he did, and not trying to help prevent it? (real answer: cuz he a nigger, and nigger=violence/rape/death. Black men are outside of everything we know in the social sciences, apparently)

This shit is legit wild to me right now

  

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119. "in Buddy's defense"
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he is extremely conservative





I know that isn't a really good defense but that's all I got.

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122. "HA!"
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legit chuckle, lol

  

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125. "I'm conservative because I object to you defending XXX saying"
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he wants to rape little girls?


You writing that shit off as him just playing a character and I am the one whose wrong?

GTFOHWTBS



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134. "bruh, you really believe dude wanted to rape kids?"
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Like for real?
you think that was a goal of his?

  

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136. "I admitted i thought it was a song lyric"
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and said it was awful

and also said dude was off when he was introduced to the boards

some director just said Baron Trump should be ripped away and caged with pedophiles...

do I think dude really wants to do that?

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"Your changing your story. See your own post #64. "


  

          

"thats an awful lyric or tweet... "

You didn't make a distinction between lyric or tweet at first, it's only after you got clowned for that weak sauce defense did you start saying you thought it was a lyric the whole time.


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147. "I said it was an AWFUL lyric or tweet because it is... "
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then Pimp said it was a lyric so I thought it was from a song

then you corrected him and I admitted my error.

WTF, it's all right there below.

How you gonna point out that I admitted it was awful as some type of gotcha?

please stop lying, thanks

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186. "I don't get it. Does it matter whether it's a tweet or a lyric?"
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1. You seemed to have first been saying, it's an awful lyric or tweet but, you know, Denzel in training day said awful things.

2. And then folks rightly pointed out, dawg, everyone knows the difference between a character saying something awful in a movie or song, or a person.

3. And then you were like oh, I thought it was a lyric.

Don't you see how 1 and 3 conflict?


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190. "most definitely matters if its a song lyric"
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I've heard more than a few terrible lines in rap songs.. but I didn't take them personally because some folks write shock lyrics. That's why I brought up Biggie and Em. Both of them have lyrics that were terrible and crude.

Its why I walked it back when you said it was a tweet.

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how does 1 and 3 conflict? An actor saying something or doing something awful in a movie is awful.. but its entertainment. Em wanting to kill his mom was awful and entertainment. Biggie raping in a song was awful.. and entertainment. Ghetto Boys, NWA, etc and so on.

You really don't see the difference between a rapper writing a song about murder, death or sexual assault being different then tweeting threats?

really?









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143. "Your changing your story. See your own post #64. "
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"thats an awful lyric or tweet... "

You didn't make a distinction between lyric or tweet at first, it's only after you got clowned for that weak sauce defense did you start saying you thought it was a lyric the whole time.


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127. "Yeah, it can be exhausting for me, but it reveals some nuggets."
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Most importantly, who claims to care about our community as opposed to who practices care.


>we're talking about dude because he got murdered.
>Yes he did some foul shit.
>Yes he should've done time.
>He's dead now.
>Do we look at the details of his life and try to learn from
>them, or do we just accept his dead nigger body as the logical
>result of traumatic nigger life, and shrug and KIM?
>You know how many kids have similar experiences to dude out
>here right now?


Obviously the latter, and then blame him and all those other kids for how they turn out, while claiming to care about how the system of white supremacy affects Black people. When I listed mass incarceration, abuse, and school-to-prison pipeline as concerns, I was told I sounded like a college kid, because allegedly WE ALL care about those things. But the same people are here saying fuck those kids who are affected by those things, because their trauma is manifesting like trauma. It's easy to say we care, but *practicing* that professed care is way different. And maybe it sounds like college talk to them b/c they said it back then but never really practiced it... or it was just a phase for them. Who knows. Some of us actually mean it and never stop caring tho. I would respect it more if they would just say that loving deeply traumatized people is just too difficult for them. But blasting others for practicing what they CLAIM to practice is just absurd.



>And why is addressing the patterns that contributed to him
>doing the shit he did seen as *condoning* the shit he did, and
>not trying to help prevent it? (real answer: cuz he a nigger,
>and nigger=violence/rape/death. Black men are outside of
>everything we know in the social sciences, apparently)


Real talk.


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141. "YUUUUP"
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manifest care vs expressed care is real AF
The more I'm reading about these kids, the more I'm seeing that they have no one. None of them have an adult, anywhere in their lives.
America has a huge huge problem on its hands (SURPRISE!!!!)

  

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124. "If you have so much compassion for the women victims, why "
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do you all get so butt hurt when me and other people want to remind everyone of the vile shit that this dude did?

I reminded people of the rape little girls tweet, and people defended him saying such stuff. Some trying to write it off as him just playing a character. Huh?

That ain't problematic? That ain't minimizing the victims?







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126. "prolly cause he just got killed? "
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I mean..

shit is obvious why folks aren't trying to have that convo 2 minutes after being murdered

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140. "Right. And that's a bullshit dishonest way to talk about him "
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that minimizes that pain and damage that he caused. If we don't have that convo now, we probably won't ever have that convo.

Fuck that. I stand behind my original point. I am glad this wasn't an RIP post.


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146. "but we had that convo THEN when it was first reported"
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You keep acting like we never have that conversation on here about how trash he was when he was introduced to us.

I could see if we never knew about it or publications hid it until his death but it was well known he was a shitty dude with a shitty past.

it's like screaming Pac had a rape charge on the day he was gunned down or reminding folks Biggie rapped about murder and robbing and raping on a song or 5.

we know nigga..

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131. "So you're doing that thing where you ignore 99% of my reply"
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just to try another angle or come back saying the same thing when I've already addressed it.
This is not a conversation when I'm the only one listening.
Plus everything you've said here has been addressed over and over again in this post by me and other people.
The only thing there that hasn't been addressed is the fact that you made a completely dishonest request for contextualization in reply 57, because it was met and you ignored that reply... now you're asking how dare people give you the reply that you requested. But wait, I addressed that already too. You've got nothing more to say, and that's fine. We'll end here.
Good day, sir.



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161. "*waits for the day boogie talks about a situation where "
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the victim isn't someone boogie personally identifies with*

*dies*

get counseling dude.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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182. "I ignore 99% of your reply when I interject race into it. "
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It's not the best example to use with you because it takes us too far from the original topic.

I should have used the example of say, a serial killer or child abuser or any other example of terrible people that we don't bother to be compassionate for or try to understand why they are the way they are.

I think you and others demonstrate consistently are able to drum up selective compassion when the victims are women.

I think that has some reflection on your attitudes towards black women (or maybe just women in general).





>just to try another angle or come back saying the same thing
>when I've already addressed it.
>This is not a conversation when I'm the only one listening.
>Plus everything you've said here has been addressed over and
>over again in this post by me and other people.
>The only thing there that hasn't been addressed is the fact
>that you made a completely dishonest request for
>contextualization in reply 57, because it was met and you
>ignored that reply... now you're asking how dare people give
>you the reply that you requested. But wait, I addressed that
>already too. You've got nothing more to say, and that's fine.
> We'll end here.
>Good day, sir.
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197. "Right, u interjected race in an odd "reverse racism" kind of way"
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But you denied that you were defending white people.
(I typed more here, but I'll refrain from sharing, as it could too easily be taken as being purposely inflammatory... which I'm really not trying to be, but I'm aware of how my observations affect you at this point).



>I think you and others demonstrate consistently are able to
>drum up selective compassion when the victims are women.
>
>I think that has some reflection on your attitudes towards
>black women (or maybe just women in general).


This is both nonsensical and dishonest on your part (yet, you began here with a dishonest request for context, so more dishonesty has to follow). You're saying this solely because I (and others) won't reduce a more nuanced view to "he's a horrible person" as you have done. That appears to be your true issue in this entire discussion, actually.

You've also stated that you believe compassion for one victim "comes at the expense of" another. I've already addressed how nonsensical that is. Additionally, we are examining the life of someone who was just murdered. If you can't name a time when I refused to see the good in a Black woman who was just murdered, opting to simply call her a "horrible person) and attempt to convince others to do the same, then you're just flat out lying and making an emotional argument simply b/c we disagree.

EXAMPLE:
When Korryn Gaines was murdered, I did in that post exactly what I'm doing here. While many people said she asked for it, I spoke of her with compassion and understanding (this isn't the only time I've done this concerning a Black woman). Does that mean I don't care about her son b/c she put him in danger? Why didn't you say that? Oh right, that doesn't fit your narrative (read: lie) that I don't care about Black women or women in general.
My perspective of this that situation is strongly influenced by her race and how we as a people are affected systemically... same as XXXtentacion.

An apology is kind of in order there, but I know you're not concerned with how many lies and bogus accusations you throw around in trying to mischaracterize me for the sake of argument.

As in many of our past disagreements, you are becoming consumed with emotion and allowing logic to fall by the wayside, and I've requested that we respectfully end this disagreement, b/c neither of us is going to change our minds. What is it that you wish to accomplish here, Buddy? To continue to the point that you become hostile as you've often done? Just to be arguing for the sake of arguing? Do you want me to change my view to mirror yours (not happening)? What exactly? There usually comes a time in debate/discussion for them to end. Are you having trouble realizing when that is and accepting differences of opinion? Or have you simply resigned to mischaracterizing in order to provoke a response? Just lemme know what this is all about. Dig deep and be honest if you can.




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199. "This."
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>I think you and others demonstrate consistently are able to
>drum up selective compassion when the victims are women.
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>I think that has some reflection on your attitudes towards
>black women (or maybe just women in general).
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200. "Then explain this, since you want to cosign the lies..."
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Taken from my reply to that ridiculousness:

When Korryn Gaines was murdered, I did in that post exactly what I'm doing here. While many people said she asked for it, I spoke of her with compassion and understanding (this isn't the only time I've done this concerning a Black woman). Does that mean I don't care about her son b/c she put him in danger? Why didn't you say that? Oh right, that doesn't fit your narrative (read: lie) that I don't care about Black women or women in general.
My perspective of this that situation is strongly influenced by her race and how we as a people are affected systemically... same as XXXtentacion.
We are examining the life of someone who was just murdered. If you can't name a time when I refused to see the good in a Black woman who was just murdered, opting to simply call her a "horrible person" and attempt to convince others to do the same, then you're just flat out lying and making an emotional argument simply b/c we disagree.

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201. "imagine these folks walking and trying to chew gum"
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at the same damn time
at the same damn time

ole one note niggas man.

Black Sheep needs a publishing check for these fools.

This or that... this or that

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205. "I never said anything about things needing to be one way or the other."
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So what are you even talking about?

  

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204. "What are you even talking about?"
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Fri Jun-22-18 03:42 PM by soulpsychodelicyde

          

*I* wasn't cosigning anything having to do with you, specifically. *I* don't have a narrative about you at all.

But a hit dog will holler, I suppose.

  

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206. "You specifically consigned him saying "you and others""
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You even took the time to single out a specific portion of what he said, and the "you" he was referring to is me.
If you're saying you did that by mistake, then cool.
Other than that, again if I'm a "hit dog", then my previous request for you explain my Korryn Gaines response stands.

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207. "cosigned*"
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84. "you coulda just told us"
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I said tweet at first then someone said lyrics so I thought they were from a song

I don't know dudes catalog or much about him

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95. "this post is legit scary..."
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Coolin...

  

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96. "I agree, but we mean totally different things when we say that. n/m"
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97. "spot on"
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Coolin...

  

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70. "Maybe we should ask Biggie about Gutter."
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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72. "After Charleston shooting.."
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https://twitter.com/xxxtentacion/status/643474137579716608?lang=en


Yeah I know, I get it he was only a child and changing his life...

https://twitter.com/DotofB/status/886143458343350272

This one was a year ago.

  

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73. "y'all want it to be one way so bad...lmao"
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https://twitter.com/JamesShawJr9/status/1008846899103850496

he was 17 in one tweet. 20 when he took that pic last month.

which is the real jahseh onfroy? which would you rather believe is the real one?

that's about YOU.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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74. "Your point?"
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79. "as someone who has never heard not even one verse of one song..."
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and only knows about him what I've seen here and some on Twitter...did the death video not look weird to anyone? Like...I don't have any reason to think that it would be faked, but, something looks off about it. This isn't anything I'm bragging about, but I've seen dead people...recently killed ones...and Ionno, just looked...weird. That's the only word I keep coming back to.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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87. "no blood, no splatter.. must've been a clean shot"
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def seems odd but I only watched one time

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82. "This song of his keeps playing in my mind:"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAucVNRx_mU

It's about a friend of his who committed suicide


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83. "Joe Budden and cast with some sobering thoughts on his death (link)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WIeBvsNhfQ

They discuss the realizations he seemed to be making, exploitation of his death, how the attitude of throwing ppl away leads to the very kind of person you want to throw away, etc

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104. "cool. so what are they doing for victims of domestic violence?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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105. "did you listen to them saying they should do something "
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to straighten out these dudes to prevent DV from happening?

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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107. "did they list what the something is and make plans for concrete action"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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110. "You can hit them on social media to set up an interview. n/m"
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113. "oh, so they didn't. thx. why would I want to talk to those losers?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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117. "You can hit them on social media to set up an interview. n/m"
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120. "he doesn't care"
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135. "Yeah I know he's trolling as always."
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138. "I do care, about victims of domestic violence"
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but you don't and they don't, so you're mad at me.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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144. "not mad, just pointing out how you don't care about Buddens words"
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on domestic violence so why ask?

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149. "why would I ask if I didn't care?"
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that's a stupid assumption.

I'm not ever watching that bullshit, but to say I don't care goes against the fact that I asked.

y'all don't want to talk about it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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178. "you don't care because you won't watch those losers"
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so again, you don't care what they have to say

it's OK

own it tho

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137. "which doesn't answer my question."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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145. "You can hit them on social media to set up an interview. n/m"
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159. "exactly, never a word for victims of abuse from Boogie, ever."
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because only boogie is a victim.

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115. "man this was really good."
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more Black media need to be real talk and not promotional fuckery.
I usually can't tolerate Budden, but this was dope.
Thanks

  

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118. "Word. Budden on mental health issues is surprisingly tolerable."
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>more Black media need to be real talk and not promotional
>fuckery.
>I usually can't tolerate Budden, but this was dope.
>Thanks


Totally agree and no problem.


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121. "Damn, Joe was on point"
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who raised you niggas?



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160. "^^^the whole cascade of ain't shit niggas"
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collaborating to celebrate one of their own.

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195. "Also.."
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https://twitter.com/TheRealBlackWeb/status/1008836664171618307

Double 0
DJ/Producer/Artist
Producer in Kidz In The Hall
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twitter: @godouble0
IG: @godouble0
www.thinklikearapper.com

  

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94. "I realize general consensus is he's a monster but..."
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Yall buggin in here.

It's kinda easy to look at what he said, crimes he allegedly committed, and diss him. He was going to jail for a long time with the charges he faced and alleged evidence against him. He wasn't a generational talent like people said but a young man with promise that had a troubled past. His million dollar record deal didn't include resources to cope with the ramifications of the deal and how to navigate any issues that came up. His label didn't get him the help he needed. It must've been hard growing up in a social media era with the world watching and commenting on every move as a child being held accountable.

It sucks to see him gone and I hope this a wake up call to this young generation:

The streets are real and to be respected.
Respect them enough to stay out of them.
Respect them enough to conduct yourself with honor.
Respect them enough to keep your actions in check.
Respect them enough to avoid trolling anyone.

Don't antagonize a nation, family, OG, anyone in order to gain publicity.

Not saying XXX did any of this but a lack of respect exists in these young kids. It sucks they have to learn such hard lessons in the presence of the world via social media.

  

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98. "Its sad for people who were fans and his family, friends etc"
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But all the stuff you are saying about his life....everyone has a story. Many who were worst off. Theres nothing wrong with people who are holding him accountable for his actions regardless of lack of help to deal with whatever problems you want to bring up. At what point are you not accountable for yourself? Just because you died in a fucked up way doesn't mean people can't hold you accountable for the choices you made when you were alive.

I have a friend who died a few years ago in a freak accident off of a bad trip on drugs. Amazing man. Amazing friend. Love him and cherish his memory forever. But he made the choice to take the drugs he took, the amount he took, and just being reckless in general that night. I know him very well and he would have no problem holding me accountable if situations were reversed. I was and still am very angry of the choices he made that night. I hold him accountable for them. It just is what it is.

Everyone has a story. Doesn't mean you get a pass to be a horrible human being in certain aspects. Just because you died doesn't mean you are absolved of those choices.


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133. "copy/paste"
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definitely some rules i hope to instill in my kids.

Red, Black, Green

  

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102. "*updates database*"
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_____________________
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114. "damn, this is like, five minutes from my crib"
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___________________________
He has the confidence of Vernon Maxwell on a yayo binge.

http://www.2amDonuts.bandcamp.com

  

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128. "Welp"
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https://twitter.com/TheSlimGoddess/status/1009800827169640449



***Shannon Sharpe sniffle***

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Coolin...

  

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130. "damn"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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132. "There will be people close to this guy that will be hurt by this"
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They will be grieving and reflecting on the good times they had with him.

Is the proper, human response to approach these people and tap dance on their feelings?

Brother of this guy: I can't believe I'll never see him again. He had this * insert good quality*. I'll never forget the time when we *insert good memory*

Response: But he killed someone!!!

Brother of this guy:https://media1.tenor.com/images/9a949bebc4a11228deaeecb064326dbd/tenor.gif?itemid=9866386

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192. "And there are people who are his victims and the victims of DV"
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who are hurt by all the praise being placed on this dude. It cuts both ways....which I think has been a major point all along.



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139. "aren't we supposed to believe in his potential to change?"
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where's all the compassionate thoughtful people now?


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142. "doesn't OKP always preach about rehabilitation for jailed inmates? "
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yes, where are you guys now?

and why are folks asking where people are a minute after the news hits?

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151. "you don't have to respond to me"
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just mourn his lost potential as you definitely always do
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152. "so is that a yes or no? you came a long way in 10 years"
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prison is for rehabilitation right?

at 22 he should be able to change his life right?

you went from calling women bitches to being who you are right now.



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157. "If you scroll up on this page, you'll see"
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that I'm one of the people who is sad xxxtentacion lost the potential to turn his life around.


I am also sad this young man has thrown his life away over what is most likely bullshit.

so what exactly are you accusing me of?

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162. "I accused you of not caring about Buddens convo"
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but just now I asked questions and you answered.

thx

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163. "I don't care about the show any but I do actually hope"
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people discuss domestic violence and how to deal with it, support victims of it and recognize things that lead to the behavior no matter where or who they are.


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153. "oh, we tough on crime, are we? cool. lemma ask ya this..."
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i bet y'all finding a way to be mad about that cop shooting that boy in pittsburgh who was in a car with his friends and they *probably* JUST shot and tried to kill another young brother. how you feel about that? *elbows on desk, palms holding face*

y'all jokey joking about that? should that 17y year-old boy be considered worthless because of what he and his boys are accused of? is it different because white cops shot him?

this is a dangerous game y'all playing. you don't REALLY wanna talk about it, bruh. you don't.

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154. "people can be really fucking stupid, bruh"
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Internet moral superiority is some shit

  

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158. "you have exactly described your own behavior"
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155. "https://i.gifer.com/9Bcv.gif"
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https://i.gifer.com/9Bcv.gif

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156. "who the fuck are you replying to?"
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find one part in anything I said that relates to what you just typed.

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164. "just mourn his lost potential as you definitely always do"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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171. "yeah that has nothing to do with anything you said."
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the fact that the people who claimed to care about lost potential were really just stroking their own egos has nothing do with the shooter himself.

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150. "right here. "
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although I will say I don't know if he has any discernible talent to touch people's spirits and minds and I'm pretty sure he wasn't planning to have a free charity concert this weekend.

God knows what HE was gonna be doing this weekend. WHEW.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

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148. "she being mean-spirited, but she right. "
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he is only 22. i hope he becomes a better man. if he WANTS to do better and can help people, I hope he's given the opportunity. otherwise, it's just another waste.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

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167. "you cant be this obtuse"
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she's making fun of xxx defenders who feel like his behavior could have been corrected

  

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170. "yeah, i know. and she IS being mean-spirited."
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

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172. "are y'all not lying ass hypocrite suckers?"
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cuz I'd love to see all this compassion pop up in other areas

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175. "all I did was explain her intent"
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I dont know what you're looking to argue or why

  

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176. "Wait until Trump dies. "
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179. "why wait? Fuck him"
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181. "I fully agree, but I’m not one of those respect the dead people. "
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A shitty living person will be a shitty dead person. Why mince words? Some of the same people in here pleading for compassion will be blowing vuvuzelas when the “right” person dies.

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184. "replace right with white and I agree 100%"
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A lot of folks in here will shed no tears when a rich white shitty person with real power and influence dies vs a kid like XXX

and not sure if you are white or not but this kid being Black and not born a millionaire with a silver spoon in his mouth definitely plays a large part in this debate.



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187. "I’m blackity black black. "
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I have no horse either way in the X debate. I don’t know enough about him and if he was redeemable. I’m just looking at everyone taking about “don’t speak ill of the dead” with a side eye knowing good and well they won’t hesitate to shit on whatever dead person they don’t persoanally like.

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191. "word"
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185. "the 70+ guy who getting WORSE? lmao"
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168. "RE: XXXTentacion Shot"
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Going through this whole scenario from early on I knew this poor kid was headed for this... either by his own hands or others..

question is what CAN you do?

How CAN you turn off the fame/hype machine once it starts for someone who was CLEARLY in need of serious mental health intervention... and also extremely talented

Is "Talent" in society valued over everything else in the societal contract?

and MOST importantly.. How do we provide the necessary tools to rebuild/care for and be attentive to abuse victims without exploiting them for the morality olympics?

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174. "watching some of dudes early interviews is wild"
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all these grown ass men and women feeding up the hype machine by being hella irresponsible in their "journalism"

Dude was a fuckin child.
The way hip hop is set-up and marketed is on some vulture shit

  

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180. "RE: watching some of dudes early interviews is wild"
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At the same time...

The kids who made him a star weren't reading those think pieces.. when these lil savages went to homegirls job it wasn't cuz of journalism...

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189. "no doubt"
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193. "FALL BACK is what you can do"
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>Going through this whole scenario from early on I knew this
>poor kid was headed for this... either by his own hands or
>others..
>
>question is what CAN you do?
>
>How CAN you turn off the fame/hype machine once it starts for
>someone who was CLEARLY in need of serious mental health
>intervention... and also extremely talented
>
>Is "Talent" in society valued over everything else in the
>societal contract?
>
>and MOST importantly.. How do we provide the necessary tools
>to rebuild/care for and be attentive to abuse victims without
>exploiting them for the morality olympics?

In that situation where he's already a millionaire: stop everything and sit down.

The entire point of making music is to enjoy it and earn a living. He earned a living by signing the deal. Shut down the hype machine and get help. The real fans will be there when you come back, look at Cudi as an example. Why get into beefs and violence if you're already rich? Do you see Erik Prince fighting with Pete Wentz?

If I'm facing everything he dealt with then I'm getting help.

Talent is not valued everything else in the societal contract. Celebrity is valued over everything and someone with a strong enough presence can get away with anything Trump as an example.

We're ill equipped to orivude the necessary care for abuse victims due to budget cuts. We can donate money to pubilc health organizations that service underpaid, underworked, and disenfranchised inviduals. Partner with local universities in hopes of offering some form of aid to these people even if it's nothing more than counseling.

An OG/credible citizen should step in and stop young people like this. Stop him and get him and get him the help they need before things get out of hand. Stop living your life on your smartphone is the best thing young people can do. Those fans of yours aren't real and here for the drama not the art. Art lasts eternal while drama is fleeting.

  

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194. "RE: FALL BACK is what you can do"
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>
>In that situation where he's already a millionaire: stop
>everything and sit down.
>
>The entire point of making music is to enjoy it and earn a
>living. He earned a living by signing the deal. Shut down the
>hype machine and get help. The real fans will be there when
>you come back, look at Cudi as an example. Why get into beefs
>and violence if you're already rich? Do you see Erik Prince
>fighting with Pete Wentz?
>

Yea but again.. they had people around them to steer them in that direction. Teams who knew what to do.

>If I'm facing everything he dealt with then I'm getting help.
>
He shoulda sat down. People should've told him to sit down. This is kinda of what I mean about other artists stepping in and telling him to do so.

>
>Talent is not valued everything else in the societal contract.
>Celebrity is valued over everything and someone with a strong
>enough presence can get away with anything Trump as an
>example.
>
>We're ill equipped to orivude the necessary care for abuse
>victims due to budget cuts. We can donate money to pubilc
>health organizations that service underpaid, underworked, and
>disenfranchised inviduals. Partner with local universities in
>hopes of offering some form of aid to these people even if
>it's nothing more than counseling.

We also dont even do it within the culture... which is what I meant more than an "institution". The culture actually hates women and this needs to change especially with what is happening with the social contract as we speak.

We have an opportunity to reform the ideals we were "ok" with till this point

>
>An OG/credible citizen should step in and stop young people
>like this. Stop him and get him and get him the help they need
>before things get out of hand. Stop living your life on your
>smartphone is the best thing young people can do. Those fans
>of yours aren't real and here for the drama not the art. Art
>lasts eternal while drama is fleeting.

Yea

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169. "Arrest made"
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https://www.npr.org/2018/06/21/622218652/arrest-made-in-the-murder-of-rapper-xxxtentacion

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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208. "four indicted, two in custody"
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https://www.local10.com/news/grand-jury-indicts-four-men-in-shooting-of-rapper-xxxtentacion


they walked right past him, bought a face mask, then robbed him while wearing face masks?


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211. "soo many people involved you knew someone was gon snitch"
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So i'm smokin on this cactus, bangin Fat Patrick
hustla til i die baby grindin like a savage
pimp game sweet, breakin ankles and feet
cuz these hoes break they toes til they job complete

H-Town made L.A. paid

  

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209. "What's ironic is I was put on to some XXX songs by my niece and nephew....."
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and I can get how it's a bit sad for them dude bit it.


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210. "once you listen for five seconds you can see how "
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if you were a early teenager right now that would be YOUR SHIT

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212. "fk him. "
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the media didn't even cover half his BS.


he didn't deserve death, but he belonged in jail.

don't be fkn evil.

  

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