I don’t have a well developed ability for cognitive disconnection
So I’m having a very tough time going from “this report is dumb and I don’t feel like responding to this email”
To infants are being physically pulled off of their mothers breasts because white nationalist are running the country and congress reps are complicit in not checking this human rights monstrosity.

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just wondering because I have an older friend on FB and all she post about is politics and hating Trump

wihle I appreciate her commitment she also looks crazy as fuck in photos now. The frustration has consumed her. She looks like she will be on the street any day now screaming at clouds.

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It feels very bleek. I’ll engage here on occasions and maybe RT in Twitter, but for the most part no, my concerns for this planet based on politics stay mainly in my head.

Politics are exhausting and your causal conversation won’t touch on enough to be in-depth.
Take the two “punts” on gerrymandering today from the Supreme Court, a crazy departure and abdication of their role in governance, who do you even discusss that kind of stuff with?
Most people “know” trump sucks/rox ... dems are the worse. That is bleh for actual discourse. Hard pass.

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alright, four things.

1. play this as loud as you can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-48u_uWMHY

2. play this as loud as you can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5PnuIRnJW8

3. really, really, really play this shit as loud as you can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QK4p22LHtw

4. we're going to be alright. shit might break, shit will break, shit IS broken, but we're going to be alright. Zoom out and look at US history. We got through 911, Bush the second, Reagan, Nixon, Vietnam, Kent State, WW2, WW3, Clutch Plague, Civil War, etc etc etc

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It’s either service men bringing pictures back on their phone or videos of attacks, often from helicopter
Every
Single
Year
The last one I saw was a guy that I met for all of ten minutes at a party.
He pulled out his phone and it was him and five other people posing behind a mutilated body. They were smiling.
It was a night time picture
The ground was sand
There are brick style walls behind them. But it appeared they were outside

Is that a photo that you carry around with you? Because I don’t. I have tons of pictures of my kid and wife. No dead bodies.


We all won’t get through this and like everything you mentioned, those that make it on the other side of time from this will be worse off than they were.

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You’d be suprised how many damaged people are walking the streets every day and just need to get some of this shit out of there head.
Spent ten years in San Antonio huge vet population
Spent the last six in DC, in the postal service, lots of vets come through here.

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n/m

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>To infants are being physically pulled off of their mothers breasts because white nationalist are running the country and congress reps are complicit in not checking this human rights monstrosity.




Generations down the line will be looking back at this and we are going to be on the wrong side of history. How could we let something like this happen? These kids are being used as bargaining chips.




What do we do to stop this shit? Every damn day it's something worse and worse.

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We rationalize dumb shit

The hundreds of thousands of lives lost to previous atrocities as well as the irreparable damages suffered by hundreds of thousands more is a sign that we can get through anything.

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do all sorts of things that justified them doing all of that militia activity.


Now, left-wing people think Trump is going to do all sorts of things that will put society on the brink.


If Trump gets impeached and a Democrat gets elected President, the right-wing militias will go back to thinking the USA will collapse.


TOKPR will say it doesn't matter if right-wing people ever go back to thinking left-wing Presidents will do this or that, but......


As long as 2 sides think the other will "take the world to the brink" there is no escape from each side "flaring up" and "wanting some kind of 'dominance' over the other."


This is just the order of society now: 2 sides thinking the other will destroy everything.

It ignores the general degradation of global liberal democracy and the world balance of alliances since ww2, downplays the structural damages being done to the rule of law, and overly focuses on the “opinion” of each side; when one sides opinion is disingenuous and driven by paranoia and the other sides is driven by history and measureable and documented damages.

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going away quietly

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This is not typical! We can't act like it is because they have much more than this planned.

He already put somebody on the Supreme Court who is swinging 5-4 decisions.


If right-wing could go that far, they can continue to go further.


So, analyzing how they got so far (President Trump, Neil Gorush, etc.) can't evade the possibility that they can go further.

It seems that your biggest concerns are governance. Which isn’t what’s being communicated or fretted over.

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swinging 5-4 decisions.


They're not going anywhere

Planet decreases, does yours?

Or you want to keep talking at me about politics and rules and who I may or may not “like”

There’s two sides to this. It’s not Dem or Republican. There’s one side who will be relatively ok no matter what happens, and a side who every day sees lasting ramifications for their families and progeny. Those are the only two sides.

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they're not going anywhere.


Those who are having problems functioning are hoping they will go away


But....


they're not going away

But keep trying to turn a visceral conversation into an academic thought experiment.

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2 sides exist

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2 sides exist

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and who can tell which is which?

Honestly, fuck this noise and you're basically arguing for taking patently bad faith arguments at their word because you can't be bothered to think. It's myopic and shitty moral cowardice.

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They're not going away with anything short of a Truth & Reconciliation Commission and even that's probably not enough.

If you can't even call evil what it is, though, what are you even doing? Like kids are being ripped from their parents and put in cages (and no I'm not saying this is the only time that's ever happened) and you're on here going "ahhhh, but the other side thinks it is YOU who are wrong" like you're enlightening anyone here.

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Me calling whatever whoever does "evil" might make somebody feel something, but they either lose at the ballot box or they don't.


And with Neil Gorush swinging cases, it'll probably be less likely they'll lose at the ballot box.


So, me calling something evil really isn't anything.

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And would like to debate and pose assurances within those confines.
The fact that some people can look at the world today and label this as something survivable and/or a manifestation of political differences is telling.

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it is what it is

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many sides...

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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

= happiness

It will always be something...some boogie man...some apocalyptic event...end of the world catastrophe...seemingly on the horizon

every second

of every day

Wasn't FLA and SoCal suppose to break off from the main land and float out into the ocean by now...LOL

i.e. it sounds like you are having a hard time dealing with input and information from said sources

change the sources.

Find a hobby

spend more time with your loved ones

do what makes you happy

it is that easy

but hard to break the cycle and/or patterns of behavior we've learned to this point

IMO, it sounds like that is the cause of your troubles

You've identified the problem

work on solutions.

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>IMO, it sounds like that is the cause of your troubles


tip iceberg

My peoples live in that square of highways in Orlando. That was built to keep a black population separate from the rest of the city and poisoned by pollutants.

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Yeah, for sure, MIA has high rises filling with water that aren't even completed yet...

...if that is the cause you want to direct your energy toward, go for it, you'll feel alot better...

My point was, IRT what sounds like is bothering you, is that FLA going underwater isn't going to happen in the next 50 years = our lifetime

If you want to become an advocate for righting any of the wrongs in this world, that may also help you alleviate the stress your feeling

Instead of just being in pain over every daily headline...

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I'm a news & politics junkie. I read and follow this stuff on the local, state & federal level daily. It can be frustrating but I'm not one to let it drag me down. But i can see how it weighs on people.

The word is a horrible, terrible place filled with horrible, terrible people. You got to find folks worth giving a damn about & carve out your little piece of happiness. Stay close to the friends & family that are worth it and find things to do or see that make you happy.

happy and balanced..

all the time.

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There's always something they throw in right at the end like a dog saving a kitten from a burning house lol

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...I also don't want to ignore the insanity that goes on in the world. I couldn't be the kind of person who ignores the bad and just pays attention to the good.

I want to know how messed up things are so I know what I'm protecting myself against.

News has come to mean "what kind of new calamity is happening today?" The "if it bleeds, it leads" mentality seems to have been kicked into overdrive.

There are good things happening everyday. But you would never know it unless you dig really deep

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for reliable information

Furthermore, we should expect more from 24hour news outlets...than covering the same 4-5 stories every hour for 24 hours

Hey Wolf, it's not breaking news when the previous 5 time slots have been covering the same exact story

i.e. even in the if it bleeds it leads news room of today, there are still so many stories that aren't being covered

I can't believe folks with some semblance of intelligence and critical thinking haven't sought out other sources for news.

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I don't have cable anymore, but was somewhere that did and caught CNN the day the Trump admin lady made a comment about McCain. That shit got 9/11 level attention. Nothing else happened that day.

>Furthermore, we should expect more from 24hour news
>outlets...than covering the same 4-5 stories every hour for 24
>hours

you could always turn back to them if you got too happy

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>you could always turn back to them if you got too happy

Honestly, I don't get any of my regular news from the TV. I have a handful of newspapers that I follow. Not that it's much better though. It's pretty much the same stuff, just in print.

I wouldn't say that I walk around whistling and smiling all day long. I just think that my personality doesn't allow me to be overwhelmed by this stuff.

they do a great job of getting us that info in so many different ways.

but like you, I won't let it consume me.

I used to be a huge talk radio guy back when W was in office and when O was running.

I had to turn from that shit. Got my wife on it and saw her go from happy and positive to doom and gloom.

last night my MIL tried to show me some death and I was like nope... "I'm good on that I reached my quota for the day"

then I picked up my daughter and started playing with her.

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>they do a great job of getting us that info in so many
>different ways.
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>but like you, I won't let it consume me.
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>I used to be a huge talk radio guy back when W was in office
>and when O was running.
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>I had to turn from that shit. Got my wife on it and saw her go
>from happy and positive to doom and gloom.
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>last night my MIL tried to show me some death and I was like
>nope... "I'm good on that I reached my quota for the day"
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>then I picked up my daughter and started playing with her.


It literally used to make her happy...music, book, TV or movie recommendations, odd little stories, upliftinng & inspiring tales.

That stopped after the election. She hasn't been able to go back to it ever since. She sometimes lets it get to her and I have to draw her back out.

But I can absolutely see your kids being able to flip the switch for you. That's more than enough of a reason to look forward and keep your head above the water.

man listen... if not for her, who knows..

I would've fought through but these kids make it so much easier to put things in perspective.

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she was a slave
I believe 4 children were ripped from her

this what America do

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touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

You try and tell yourself to just focus on your own life/things you can control, but that's easier said than done. Because that feels like an inadequate response. That said, I do think managing to wring SOME joy out of your daily life when you can is absolutely essential and you shouldn't feel guilty if something good does come your way. But it's tough to do when you're being barraged non-stop.

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That’s the struggle
How to get to and from a bs job and deal with true BS while these more pressing things are occurring.
A can a non bs job really change that.

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Because this can't be the rest of our existence, right? Just day after day of non-stop horrors that we're all expected to just live with. And then the realization that to some extent, it's always been this way. Not a parent, but I can imagine having a kid can only make this more intense trying to figure out what THEIR world is going to look like.

The only advice I can think of is to take time for the small victories in your life and never lose sight of who you are and what you believe. And therapy can help, too.

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I wanna say they were in their 30s in the 60s but I could be wrong maybe younger
But that’s the thing, they spent their formative years and a large portion of their lives in the light surrounded by the unpredictable shadow of American terrorism.
I have no illusion that life will be “right” again. It never was for so many and even when it was it wasn’t that long. So we’ll see.

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as entertainment.
Violence as entertainment.
Death as entertainment.
Danger as entertainment.
Sadness as entertainment.
All of it.
Pure garbage.



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

weeks now.

This is slavery tactics 101 and the general public is on some "Meh" shit with it...


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

Sleep training, so we had a crying baby up every hour ... and I was so tired and disoriented I kept thinking it was a part of this situation.

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much...

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

Shooting?

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They had bow and arrows tho...

Little Boxes.
I’m watching Succession on HBO but it’s not a movie. No guns yet on that series

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"Get ready....for your blessing....."

Issues within your circle are obviously things that you have the power to influence in some way. Things outside are, obviously again, beyond your influence.

You've gotta focus your energy on things within your circle or you will be perennially frustrated.

A corollary, though, is to pull things into your circle, if possible, if they are so frustrating to you.

So, if you live somewhere and hate the climate, either just learn to accept it (outside your circle) or find ways to adapt to it or move (pulling into your circle).

With this political stuff, it sounds like you need to either become more involved somehow or find a way to distract yourself from it.

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Violations with no signs of stopping and he’s only half way through his second year
But let me get back to this email reply real quick since it’s somehow a reasonable human response to find a balance with that knowledge

Shorter. Monotonous activities are becoming harder to deal with as the world descends into abject horror. The issue (to me) isn’t that I’m struggling, I’m glad that I’m not a fucking robot of disconnected humanity. My issue (to me) is that this shit is horrible. The end

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At no point in this thread am I asking for advice on how to view this.
My personal moral compass is reaching its limits
You’ll reach your limit at some point too.

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I'll vote when the time comes

I'll talk shit about Trump and get upset about it..prolly get irrationally angry at times too.

but I won't let it consume me.

nope... not I.

I got 2 daughters to raise and I refuse to let my soul get consumed by negativity and horror

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never considered.

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I don't think that way fam... sorry.

it's prolly why the wife and I get along so well. She thinks the worst, I think the opposite

life is too short to be scared and worried all the damn time.

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I would say I'm mostly of the mindset of others in here that says, just handle you and yours, and don't be consumed by things you cant control... pay attention, vote, encourage others to, but distract myself when it gets to be too much..

but when certain things happen, and I'm purposely burying my head because it feels like too much, you get to feeling like a bit of a coward, and part of the problem. Thing is, I don't even know how I'd get more involved that would actually be effective, or even have that kind of time. I can't even convince certain people I know and care about... (people I don't consider racist or idiots) that this guy is a monster. this shit is a cult. I don't personally find things like marches effective, and even if I went, I feel like it would only be for the purpose of making myself feel like I'm doing something.

So, I just assume we'll be ok eventually, but I know it will get worse for a lot of people before it gets better, which of course feels like a cop-out even typing it.

I know my thoughts about current affairs and taking the climate in while feeling like a responsible citizen are about the same.

It just sucks knowing that your sense of humanity and freedom is in the hands of people who have continually proven to not be worthy of that power.

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the left is just as baffling to me as the cognitive dissonance on the right.

this is only a (slight) step beyond what was already happening.

this is what we said was going to happen during the election.

we were here for every step.



maybe this is the straw that broke the camel's back for some of us, and y'all have every right to be weary.

but it doesn't read like that to me. it reads like people choosing to let this slip out of their consciousness even though it was in the news often over the past five years. i'm kinda pissed about the disingenuousness of someone like rachel maddow reacting with shocked tears to babies breaking news.

the groundwork was already laid...private prison middle managements, ice bureaucrats, social workers, guards...that infrastructure has been built up through several administrations...how are we shocked?

i'm really scared people in the middle of our political spectrum wouldn't care about this right now under a different president, and i'm pretty sure a lot of it would still be happening. and i got a real fucking problem with people ignoring decades of state-sponsored terror campaigns against central americans but being offended now because those kids are crying in texas instead of what they had to go through *getting* to texas, and what their parents and grandparents had to live through (or not) to drive them to that point.

we're still so into the theatrics of trump personally that we're focusing on that like it matters and not realizing that this is still a question of america's original sins and the banality of evil.


i'm worried about the next election cycle because we still don't seem to want to own that. i don't see how we get the sea change we need in this country until the dems are ready to change too.

Was this happening under Obama? Real question.

I think the separation of kids is new.

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>Was this happening under Obama? Real question.
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>I think the separation of kids is new.

from what I understand the option was available through a law passed by during the Clinton administration, and I guess it was naively assumed that no one would be fucked up enough to actually rip children away from their parents. Neither the Bush or Obama administrations exercised the option because it was too cruel. Even the earlier days of the Trump admin when Gen Kelly was head of DHS, this was considered, then killed because there was too much blowback.

But Trump/Sessions/Miller are on some zero tolerance shit, because for them these brown people are using their children to game the system and must be punished.

Trump blaming the dems for this is pure horseshit. He doesn't *have* to do this, and the law doesn't have to change for it to stop. He can end this tomorrow if he wants to. But I assume he's gonna try leverage it to get his dumb ass wall.

I suffer from anxiety so all of this chaos in society isn't generally good for my mental health. I wish things actually got me angry but usually I'm either numb and don't react or get anxious. This recent story about the detained kids really got to me at some point.

I've found that taking breaks from taking in the media is good, especially social media. For some reason reading the personal opinions of those on the right really get to me. None of my current friends are in favor of the administration but some of my friends back home in St. Louis skew conservative so reading some of their 'misinformed' comments startle me at times. So, every so often I'll just go dark on Facebook and keep to NBA Twitter in order to rebuild my strength to take in this stuff.

Also taking steps to affect change, even in small measure, helps. I've started contributing to Democratic PAC's. (the age-old American form of activism) But I've also marched in the Women's March and volunteered for Hillary and taking steps to bond with other folks who want change gives some social support that's needed as well.

Spirituality is a source of strength for me as well. I'm not necessarily talking about religion but more of tapping into a relationship with God or your humanity that gives you the strength to build compassion or affirm your self-worth. I don't think spirituality is inherently a way to detach from the world's ills and if it helps a little then it's worthwhile, at least to me.

Your feelings about the basic fragility of modern egalitarianism are well-grounded. The notion of equality and freedom seems more tenuous than at any time in my not-so-short life. You seem well-read and engaged in the daily happenings of the news. While it seems somewhat blithe to just not pay attention to what's happening, it's not healthy to take in all of this madness day after day.

There's no shame in saying, 'this is enough for me and I need a break'. Trump anxiety is a real condition so if you need to put on the oxygen mask for yourself by recharging in a conscious way before you try and fight for equality and your humanity in your own way, that's fine.

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