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Damali
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"The Black Ex-Pat Post: Where Can We Go?"


          

I don't want to spend the rest of my life in Amerikkka.

My 5-year plan: Move out of the U.S. I turn 47 in a couple weeks. By 50, I want to have my debt and credit cleared up and a legitimate plan in place to leave. then by 52, bounce.

So in my limited research on where Black Americans can move and thrive, I keep coming across these four places:

1. Thailand
2. Costa Rica
3. Hong Kong
4. New Zealand

does anyone have or know anyone BLACK that has experiences leaving the U.S. and living in these places?

or if you want to talk about other countries, that's fine too.

d

  

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I'm curious about yr research on NZ
Jun 13th 2018
1
I'm never moving from the US
Jun 13th 2018
2
Oh yeah, Amsterdam was and is amazing
Jun 13th 2018
4
again, very limited
Jun 13th 2018
10
Tell me more about The Netherlands
Jun 14th 2018
34
      i only spent a day in Rotterdam when I was on vacation
Jun 15th 2018
41
Have you looked into Hawaii?
Jun 13th 2018
3
I didn't realize this about Berlin
Jun 13th 2018
5
Berlin is so cool I hesitate recommending it to others lol
Jun 13th 2018
8
      Munich was more of my speed...
Jun 13th 2018
11
      in what significant ways is Munich different than Berlin?
Jun 14th 2018
36
      Berlin is really dope.
Jun 14th 2018
21
      from what I've heard the Berlin art scene is dope too
Jun 14th 2018
24
Just talked to a guy today who lived in Hawaii for 18 years
Jun 14th 2018
27
      What struck me about Hawaii was the remnants of colonialism
Jun 14th 2018
35
Why not, The Continent?
Jun 13th 2018
6
its sad how we list off everywhere BUT the motherland
Jun 13th 2018
7
mainly sexism/gender roles / political regimes / religion
Jun 13th 2018
9
And when you factor in the EXTREME class difference
Jun 13th 2018
14
that too. I know how hurt I would be living around that
Jun 13th 2018
16
What about the Caribbean?
Jun 14th 2018
Yup!
Jun 13th 2018
13
I feel like South Africa would be a popular choice
Jun 13th 2018
15
Where?
Jun 15th 2018
39
Good question.. I've been thinking about that as well
Jun 13th 2018
12
I've heard good things about Accra, Ghana
Jun 14th 2018
28
Granted. I have only been here a month...
Jun 14th 2018
17
Living the life^^^^
Jun 14th 2018
18
Lol just trying to get in where I fit in :)
Jun 14th 2018
25
      this! yes
Jun 14th 2018
29
The Res connection!
Jun 14th 2018
26
Lol yup. She left yesterday though.
Jun 14th 2018
31
thanks for sharing this
Jun 14th 2018
30
      No prob. Good luck with finding your destination.
Jun 14th 2018
32
i like canada and germany
Jun 14th 2018
19
I have a close friend who has lived in China for the last few years
Jun 14th 2018
20
Thailand has a huge expat community
Jun 14th 2018
22
Yup. Chiang Mai is a must for me at some point ...
Jun 14th 2018
33
Why would u need your debt and credit cleared up
Jun 14th 2018
23
right? if I planned to leave the US for good or at least 7 years
Jun 15th 2018
37
I've been thinking about this for the past 3 years or so.
Jun 15th 2018
38
You would thrive in Nairobi.
Jun 15th 2018
40
The 3 places I fell in love with last summer: Barcelona, Lisbon, Madrid
Jun 15th 2018
42

shamus
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1. "I'm curious about yr research on NZ"
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There's a community of expat black folk down there?

I don't have any countries to suggest. The Netherlands maybe?..Rotterdam was way browner than I expected...

I've thought about living outside the US for short periods of time (a couple months to a year or two), but it's hard for me to imagine leaving permanently even though we're a total shitshow. Not unless I had a partner I really loved to do it with me, and even then I feel like it'd be really difficult to be away from home


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legsdiamond
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2. "I'm never moving from the US"
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but I think we could do a few years outside the US. Would be nice to have a little escape pad too

but I will never let these fools run me out of my home

shut up already, damn

  

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mind_grapes
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4. "Oh yeah, Amsterdam was and is amazing"
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You could totally make that work as a Black or Brown person. Everyone there speaks English too. Even the tv channels are American, with no dubbing either.

  

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Damali
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10. "again, very limited"
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>There's a community of expat black folk down there?

I don't know. many articles position it like they are very friendly to outsiders, in general, the cost of living is low etc etc
>
>I don't have any countries to suggest. The Netherlands
>maybe?..Rotterdam was way browner than I expected...
>
>I've thought about living outside the US for short periods of
>time (a couple months to a year or two), but it's hard for me
>to imagine leaving permanently even though we're a total
>shitshow. Not unless I had a partner I really loved to do it
>with me, and even then I feel like it'd be really difficult to
>be away from home

I feel you. This doesn't feel like home to me anymore tho. And here is just a plane ride away.

But of course, my opinion is currently based in the fact that I've never not lived here..so maybe i'd feel differently on the other side...i wanna find out tho

d

  

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34. "Tell me more about The Netherlands"
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The Netherlands
>maybe?..Rotterdam was way browner than I expected...


I'd love to hear more about anyones experience with that city. We (the fam) may be relocating later this year. Rotterdam is high on the list of potentials. The biggest challenge is that our family includes several school-aged children.

THX

  

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41. "i only spent a day in Rotterdam when I was on vacation"
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It was a daytrip from when I was visiting Amsterdam. I just remember a lot of Surinamese restaurants. And just the general feeling of not feeling conspicuous at all. There was enough black and browness around that I didn’t feel self-conscious at all.

What I loved the most was that, after I got out at Centraal train station. I just started walking around randomly and within the first couple of minutes into my wander, I ran into two black hair shops, one was strictly for locs. I think the name of the street was West Kruiskade.


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mind_grapes
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3. "Have you looked into Hawaii? "
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It's pretty expensive down there and can get claustrophobic being on an island in the middle of the pacific, but I loved it.

I've traveled around a bit, especially Europe. Lived in France and England for a few month. It was cool, but there isn't really any place like America (aside from Canada). And being a brown, middle eastern looking person in Europe during the migrant crisis was...interesting. I'm currently looking into going back to school, but in Germany. I've been learning the language and trying to get it to a B2 level. But you can get by in places like Berlin with just English.

  

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shamus
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5. "I didn't realize this about Berlin"
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I'll put them on my list of "easy" places to visit, lol

> But you can get
>by in places like Berlin with just English.


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mind_grapes
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8. "Berlin is so cool I hesitate recommending it to others lol"
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it's also full of ex-pats, esp from NYC

  

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11. "Munich was more of my speed..."
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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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Damali
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36. "in what significant ways is Munich different than Berlin?"
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21. "Berlin is really dope. "
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24. "from what I've heard the Berlin art scene is dope too"
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Folks say it's like NYC in the 80s. Was thinking about moving there a couple of years ago. They are also putting a lot of money out there to attract folks in the arts. Grants and stuff.

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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Damali
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27. "Just talked to a guy today who lived in Hawaii for 18 years"
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says he loved it but its really expensive...which doesn't mean its out of the realm of possibility...i'd just have to have alot saved up and/or have a good job there

he said the culture is calm and friendly, which is what is most important to me

d

  

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35. "What struck me about Hawaii was the remnants of colonialism"
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and how while people are a minority there. A lot of locals never got over the century of colonialism. The activists there are one of a kind.

  

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6. "Why not, The Continent? "
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7. "its sad how we list off everywhere BUT the motherland"
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but we know why that is

shut up already, damn

  

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9. "mainly sexism/gender roles / political regimes / religion"
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not sure if i'd want that particular quagmire to take on...unless you can tell me of a particular African country where that ins't an issue

like Nigeria, no way
Liberia (where my aunt actually just moved to)- no way

  

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14. "And when you factor in the EXTREME class difference"
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that is in every major city in the post-colonial world and its just way too much. I was in places in India and Pakistan that were so incredibly wealthy I couldn't believe it. Parents sending their kids to the best universities in the world. Everyone speaks English and does something cool. Blah blah blah. Didn't matter, cus I could never got over the class differential at places like those. Nice to visit, but not to live. I don't care how nice the bubble for the elites are.

  

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16. "that too. I know how hurt I would be living around that"
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i could'nt just look away from all that and join the elite

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"What about the Caribbean?"


          

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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13. "Yup!"
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15. "I feel like South Africa would be a popular choice "
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Capetown. Johannesburg.


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39. "Where?"
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The countries of Africa seem like they do a shit job in marketing and promoting themselves. Even trying to find local-language media is fucking hard online.

  

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12. "Good question.. I've been thinking about that as well"
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any word on any African countries?

  

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Damali
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28. "I've heard good things about Accra, Ghana"
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but like i said up there, being a feminist in Africa would be....challenging.

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17. "Granted. I have only been here a month..."
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But I am absolutely in love with Bali. Ubud specifically. Granted there aren't many Black folk here. I probably see like one or two black people a day. Most aren't here long term. Just passing through on their South East Asia vacay. I'm used to being the only Black person because of the stuff I like (I just realized recently that I am mad hippie lol). With that though, literally everyone I have met have been mad friendly. Whether it is locals or other expats, or just tourists passing through on their vacay. Everyone is so open. You can't help but get caught up in the energy of the place. The only downside is that tourism is such a big money producer for them that everyone tries to aggressively sell you stuff. It can be really annoying. Even if you ignore folks or have headphones on the will still keep asking you. Even when you say no they hit you with a second attempt lol. I know it must work that is why they do it but it sucks at times. Especially on the beach when you are just trying to relax and not be interrupted every five minutes :/

I originally planned on only staying here 2 months and then go to Thailand but now I am definitely staying here 4 months. Will still go to Thailand for a few months but thinking Ubud will be my base from where I hop around the world until I make up my mind where I want to stay long term. There is a really good chance I won't return to the states for more than a month or two each year.

I'm also curious about New Zealand. I've met quite a few folks here from there that have been mad cool. Also surprisingly the Australians have been mad cool too but I think that is just cuz a certain type of person travels to Ubud.

*Typing this on my phone so probably has typos lol*

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creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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18. "Living the life^^^^"
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shut up already, damn

  

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25. "Lol just trying to get in where I fit in :)"
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the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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29. "this! yes"
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26. "The Res connection! "
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Her IG



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31. "Lol yup. She left yesterday though. "
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We originally planned the trip just to do a meditation retreat for a week and to stay an extra week to explore but I decided to come a few weeks early and stay until I feel ready to go. So I'm still here solo and loving it. Don't see myself leaving anytime soon.

the key to happiness is not being rich;
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creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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30. "thanks for sharing this"
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32. "No prob. Good luck with finding your destination. "
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My only advice is don't try to plan every little thing out. Just do it. I held off on coming to Bali for 10 years and wish I had just stopped waiting for the perfect time and just done it then. I've met quite a few people who have lived here 7+ years and no doubt I am sure I would have been one of them if I had come sooner.

Also regarding the credit cards, if you choose a place where the cost of living is low and you find some remote US work then you can do it much quicker. That is my plan. Not trying to ball out over here. Just living normal and comfortably and using my extra funds to pay off my credit cards.

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
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being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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19. "i like canada and germany"
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i'm planning to get a spot in at least one of those two places, just to chill, for a few
months out of the year. also planning to explore asia.

  

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20. "I have a close friend who has lived in China for the last few years"
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She absolutely loves it.

There are things she's not entirely thrilled with but she says she's never felt so much at home.

I can put you in contact if you want.

  

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22. "Thailand has a huge expat community"
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Bangkok is phenomenal for the cost, and HUGE, with a ton of visitors all year. I'd definitely recommend a trip to there and Chang Mai. HELLA affordable.

  

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33. "Yup. Chiang Mai is a must for me at some point ..."
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because of the large expat community. I've met quite a few folks who absolutely love it. Especially here in Bali since pretty much everybody has done both.

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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23. "Why would u need your debt and credit cleared up"
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I think, if I hit the point of the "great peace-out", I'm prolly gonna run UP my credit as part of my going away present.


Visa ain't tracking me down in nairobi



But anyway, I'd guess ghana and South Africa have the biggest expat community

All depends on what u mean by "thrive," tho

Of places I've been, I think I cld live in jburg, Ethiopia, bahia, or prolly even a small chill island like barbados or TnT


But (sad?) fact of the matter is black American quality of life is among the top



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37. "right? if I planned to leave the US for good or at least 7 years"
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Fri Jun-15-18 09:24 AM by legsdiamond

          

fuck the debt...lol

or like datpitts said. Go now and pay it down while living on the cheap in one of those places

that's the problem with most of us Black folk. We get debt and let that shit ruin our health and mindstate while other folks just live to the fullest or file bankruptcy

an old coworker of mine filed a few years back during the market crash and made it sound like the best business decision he ever made.

shut up already, damn

  

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TheRealBillyOcean
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38. "I've been thinking about this for the past 3 years or so."
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40. "You would thrive in Nairobi. "
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42. "The 3 places I fell in love with last summer: Barcelona, Lisbon, Madrid"
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I could definitely see myself living there. Not sure what it's like for Black Americans though.

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