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"It would’ve been nice to have Obama end up as a 3-4 term senator "
Tue Jun-12-18 12:12 PM by MEAT

  

          

That’s all.
Maybe end up is the wrong word, but to have a smart and nuanced voice in the senate and leading committees as opposed to 50 shades of wealthy white men
But maybe he would’ve been a Corey Booker, fake hip, inauthentic, and in the pocket of Wall Street.

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thought about that too
Jun 12th 2018
1
They dumped Franken for hugging with ill-intent
Jun 12th 2018
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**for multiple claims of inappropriate behavior, sexual in nature.
Jun 12th 2018
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It's pretty easy to get bullshit claims to come in
Jun 12th 2018
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      I’m not doing this with you. They didn’t get PRESIDENT OBAMA
Jun 12th 2018
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           Larry Sinclair tried
Jun 12th 2018
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We might not have had senator Obama if . . .
Jun 12th 2018
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If Obama kept groping every woman he posed for a pic with
Jun 12th 2018
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nah.. he wouldn't have had the power to get shit done
Jun 12th 2018
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Uh... the power of Congress is sizeable
Jun 12th 2018
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      he woulda been treated like Obama who if he stayed in congress
Jun 12th 2018
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           I’m not understanding what you’re getting at.
Jun 12th 2018
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                I'm saying more folks recognize the Beatles impact than the Roots
Jun 12th 2018
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                     Aside from Beatlemania what was their impact vs that of The Roots?
Jun 12th 2018
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                          Music videos, Albums with 4 to 5 strong singles on it
Jun 12th 2018
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                               Over 2 decades of evolving above average music
Jun 12th 2018
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                                    I like the Roots but nah
Jun 12th 2018
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                                         You’re talking about commercial recognition vs talent & impact
Jun 12th 2018
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                                              Sorry but I don’t see the impact outside of The Roots fans liking them
Jun 12th 2018
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                                                   Pretty sure even the Roots would find the idea they've had more impact..
Jun 12th 2018
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                                                        He must be trying to get Quest to give him the Willy Wonka treatment
Jun 12th 2018
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                                                        Yeah? Because the derivations and extensions of the Beatles are ...?
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                        Spends more time on a message board created by the roots than the
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                             we are fans.. and enjoy The Roots more than The Beatles
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                             *whispers* Black culture is the largest cultural influence in modern tim...
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                                  you are reaching fam
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                             LOL@ "quest has a cookbook"
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                                  i don’t dislike the Beatles. I’m saying their impact is overstated
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                                  yeah, dude said a cookbook
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                                       Is having a N.Y. times best selling book NOT a signifier of cultural imp...
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                                            so is being the most universally recognized rock band in history
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                                                 Again, what are their derivatives and what did they innovate?
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                                                      I'll get back to you after I've taken a college course on... the beatles
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                                                           🙄
Jun 13th 2018
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Meh. Last thing we need is more corporate Dems in the Senate.
Jun 12th 2018
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The system is corrupt. It would have corrupted him or he would
Jun 12th 2018
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this is what I'm trying to say MEAT...lol
Jun 12th 2018
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I don’t believe what the system needed was bold change
Jun 12th 2018
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I am a pretty moderate dude but it's hard to say we don't need bold chan...
Jun 12th 2018
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      More that bold change can’t be driven by one government figure
Jun 12th 2018
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LOL at “would have corrupted him.” Adorable.
Jun 12th 2018
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      Did the Presidency not corrupt him?
Jun 12th 2018
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           RE: compromise =/= corruption
Jun 12th 2018
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           No, it just exposed him for who he really is.
Jun 12th 2018
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                He is a Dem.. and definitely a corporate Dem
Jun 13th 2018
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                     Today's corporate Dems are yesterday's moderate Republicans
Jun 13th 2018
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                          But every shade of corporate dem isn’t the same
Jun 13th 2018
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                          Eh, they're basically the same regardless of where they're from
Jun 13th 2018
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                               RE: Eh, they're basically the same regardless of where they're from
Jun 13th 2018
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                                    The powers that be have always been more pro war than the voters.
Jun 13th 2018
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                                         🙄 you have a much higher view of a majority of Americans than history
Jun 13th 2018
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                                              No, I just pay attention to what the people actually want.
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                   You’re a pollster with a national reach?
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                        No, but I can read.
Jun 13th 2018
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                                                             Care to share some links? I’m open to learning more on your position.
Jun 13th 2018
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                          True, true
Jun 13th 2018
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name 2 senators that have done some meaningful work
Jun 12th 2018
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Mitch McConnell and Strom Thurmond
Jun 12th 2018
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      mcconnell obstructed for 8 yrs until the door opened
Jun 12th 2018
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           your reply proved his influence...?
Jun 12th 2018
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           a single vote against the prez agenda =/= influence
Jun 12th 2018
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                see reply 32
Jun 12th 2018
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           Cocaine Mitch literally kept Obama from getting his 2nd SCOTUS pick.
Jun 12th 2018
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                Obama couldn’t get Dems to flex when he was president
Jun 12th 2018
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                     Big moves... big moves
Jun 13th 2018
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                     Obama couldnt. He was the Sidney Poitier of politics.....
Jun 14th 2018
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for what? for who? Leave that man alone and let him enjoy his life
Jun 12th 2018
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Because I would’ve liked an intelligent senator more interested in
Jun 13th 2018
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What do you think this would accomplish?
Jun 13th 2018
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My reasoning is literally in the second line
Jun 13th 2018
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      I thought you might have some specifics.
Jun 13th 2018
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           Why should my personal opinion be anything but subjective?
Jun 14th 2018
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1. "thought about that too"
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Tue Jun-12-18 12:07 PM by tomjohn29

  

          

but alas

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2. "They dumped Franken for hugging with ill-intent"
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Tue Jun-12-18 12:24 PM by handle

          

Obama would have been gotten rid of too.

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4. "**for multiple claims of inappropriate behavior, sexual in nature. "
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Did Barack Obama have those?
No
Did Al Franken?
Yes

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(equal, after all, to what and to whom?)
but they love the idea of being superior.”
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11. "It's pretty easy to get bullshit claims to come in"
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I knew Franken was being set-up once the story about how he squeezed a woman's waist as making him a sexual predator.

This was the level of accusations that got an elected Senator to resign. (and that he kissed a woman in a sketch where the script says he kisses a woman - or an pantomiming touching a woman's breast that were protected by a bullet proof vest.)

I'll tell you this - Franken not being on the panel during the Facebook question certainly helped Facebook out a lot.

They'd have gotten Obama too.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/i-believe-frankens-accusers-because-he-groped-me-too/547691/

Then I saw Al Franken. I only bug celebrities for pictures when it’ll make my foster mom happy. She loves Franken, so I asked to get a picture with him. We posed for the shot. He immediately put his hand on my waist, grabbing a handful of flesh. I froze. Then he squeezed. At least twice.


(TINA DUPUY)
I’d been married for two years at the time; I don’t let my husband touch me like that in public because I believe it diminishes me as a professional woman. Al Franken’s familiarity was inappropriate and unwanted. It was also quick; he knew exactly what he was doing.

It shrunk me. It’s like I was no longer a person, only ornamental. It said, “You don’t matter—and I do.” He wanted to cop a feel and he demonstrated he didn’t need my permission.

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12. "I’m not doing this with you. They didn’t get PRESIDENT OBAMA"
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Tue Jun-12-18 01:51 PM by MEAT

  

          

And they wouldn’t have gotten senator Obama either.
Because if they had they would’ve.
Franken wasn’t innocent. You’re gonna have to learn to live with that.

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(equal, after all, to what and to whom?)
but they love the idea of being superior.”
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17. "Larry Sinclair tried "
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shut up already, damn

  

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6. "We might not have had senator Obama if . . ."
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wasn't for the other candidates issues

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8. "If Obama kept groping every woman he posed for a pic with"
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this would be a great comparison

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3. "nah.. he wouldn't have had the power to get shit done"
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shut up already, damn

  

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5. "Uh... the power of Congress is sizeable "
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The amount of legislation that a senator can have a hand in over a six year term is absurd.
Add that on to committee oversight ...
I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

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(equal, after all, to what and to whom?)
but they love the idea of being superior.”
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7. "he woulda been treated like Obama who if he stayed in congress"
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shut up already, damn

  

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10. "I’m not understanding what you’re getting at. "
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It’s my belief that Barack Obama 18-24 year senator would have been better for the American experiment of Democracy than Barack Obama 7.25 years of presidency overall.

In as such being a president is limited and being a former president is also limiting.

And that one of the more gifted politicians in recent history will be basically “the Beatles” instead of The Roots in terms of longevity and actual measure of talent vs noteriety and legacy

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(equal, after all, to what and to whom?)
but they love the idea of being superior.”
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14. "I'm saying more folks recognize the Beatles impact than the Roots"
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*ducks and runs for cover*

my theory is Obama wouldn't be able to influence congress and get something like Universal HC passed if he was in the Senate.





shut up already, damn

  

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16. "Aside from Beatlemania what was their impact vs that of The Roots?"
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(equal, after all, to what and to whom?)
but they love the idea of being superior.”
― James Baldwin

  

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19. "Music videos, Albums with 4 to 5 strong singles on it"
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Tue Jun-12-18 02:12 PM by legsdiamond

          

first band to have a cartoon in America

pretty much the first band to make a music video.

no snark but what impact has the Roots had as a group? First live hip hop band.

What else?

shut up already, damn

  

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20. "Over 2 decades of evolving above average music "
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Tue Jun-12-18 02:20 PM by MEAT

  

          

A front man who’s arguably the best at his craft ever (not John or George)
A bandleader who’s one of the largest continuous drivers of the culture as well as being a curator of the catalogs of greats (you think he’ll sell his masters?)
Kirk (better than any of them on the guitar)
Introduction of literature and philosophical topics that are digestible without LSD (thanks for “bringing” yogi culture to the forefront in the 60s, real tough there guys)

Music has continued to be advanced by The Roots and the members of the band
The Beatles peaked, flashed, and their actual impact is much lower than their commercial recognition.


Hell the contribution to the Soulaquarians’ careers should be more than enough

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21. "I like the Roots but nah"
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Tue Jun-12-18 02:48 PM by legsdiamond

          

IMO their albums have declined over the years

BT is a beast, top 5 dead or alive... but not on these last few Roots albums.

and lets not act like Paul didn't continue to make music...

and who the hell is buying The Roots masters? For what? They aren't a commercial group.

and I really appreciate and love the Roots way more than the Beatles but nah.. this is a terrible hill to die on. They are the cover band on a TV Show. Not hating, just sayin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMQRfliyznQ

nah b.

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22. "You’re talking about commercial recognition vs talent & impact"
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Which is my entire point.
The Roots have been better for longer with more impact to music than The Beatles were
Which is lightly akin to a term limited President vs a longer serving senator.

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28. "Sorry but I don’t see the impact outside of The Roots fans liking them"
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The haven’t dropped any albums that made folks stop and talk about them nationally.

You are basically saying anyone who stays together as a band for 20 years has impact. I don’t buy that argument.

Paul could do a show tomorrow and fill Wembley Stadium.

Obama can still have impact as a former President. He can raise shit loads of money, campaign for other politicians, his words still carry weight in the political forum, etc

I think you are selling those 8 years short.

shut up already, damn

  

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35. "Pretty sure even the Roots would find the idea they've had more impact.."
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..than The Beatles pretty ridiculous. Flattering, but ridiculous all the same.

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38. "He must be trying to get Quest to give him the Willy Wonka treatment"
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shut up already, damn

  

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46. "Yeah? Because the derivations and extensions of the Beatles are ...?"
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Wed Jun-13-18 08:35 AM by MEAT

  

          

Meanwhile, the roots (mainly quest and thought) have worked with, inspired, and cultivated near every part of black culture
Hell quest has a cookbook
From working with Dave at his block party
To cultivating and promoting newer and established artists with their festival
To being the literal soundtrack to a majority of black love movies
To working with nearly every rapper and “neo soul” artist you can name
If the two most prominent and longstanding members of the band are the most influential then I’m treating this as the influence of the band


Meanwhile the Beatles had a seven year run as a band
What artist came from them?
They were at best solid mimicers of established sound. Even their avant garden shot was bitten from someone else
At best they’re knock off Jay-Z’s in that they rose to the top promonice due to the deaths of larger and better artists, by riding the waves of the time, while never really innovating.
But Jay-Z has had a two decade run now.

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(equal, after all, to what and to whom?)
but they love the idea of being superior.”
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48. "Spends more time on a message board created by the roots than the"
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Beatles run as a band
Denies the cultural influence of the roots versus the Beatles

Okay
Player

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55. "we are fans.. and enjoy The Roots more than The Beatles"
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but that doesn't mean...lol

now more importance to OUR culture? sure..

shut up already, damn

  

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56. "*whispers* Black culture is the largest cultural influence in modern tim..."
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61. "you are reaching fam"
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shut up already, damn

  

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59. "LOL@ "quest has a cookbook""
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and me spending time on this board being reasons.

"knock off Jay-Z"

you don't have to like them, but you're in here reaching for anything souding like the no-fun version of mistermaxxx

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60. "i don’t dislike the Beatles. I’m saying their impact is overstated"
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And that they didn’t stretch culture as much as adopted the latest waves Jay-Z style.

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62. "yeah, dude said a cookbook"
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shut up already, damn

  

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63. "Is having a N.Y. times best selling book NOT a signifier of cultural imp..."
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It feels as if you’re trying to make my words something they’re not.

LIST WAYS THE ROOTS HAVE IMPACTED CULTURE
lists ways which include a dab into foodie culture
THIS NIGGA LISTED A CULTURAL IMPACT

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64. "so is being the most universally recognized rock band in history"
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but keep going

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65. "Again, what are their derivatives and what did they innovate? "
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Cool on them being popular.

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66. "I'll get back to you after I've taken a college course on... the beatles"
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or read one of the 100 books written about them

or talked to the 1000 bands over the last 50 years that cite the beatles as an influence in some capacity

or read the billion articles all over the internet about their impact.

but.. if only Ringo wrote a cook book

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67. "🙄"
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9. "Meh. Last thing we need is more corporate Dems in the Senate. "
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13. "The system is corrupt. It would have corrupted him or he would"
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have been ineffective.

I just don't see it as a lack of decent people willing to do bold things in Congress. I don't think there are individuals who can "save" government.

I think the system is so corrupt that it rewards certain types of bad characters and actors. Conversely, I think good people can't succeed in the current system. It's Ned Starks in Kings Landing.

For the system to change I think it's going to take outsiders willing to blow it up. A revolution of sorts.



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15. "this is what I'm trying to say MEAT...lol"
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shut up already, damn

  

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18. "I don’t believe what the system needed was bold change"
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More measured, intelligent, and calculated politicking with belief in the system and low on cynicism.

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25. "I am a pretty moderate dude but it's hard to say we don't need bold chan..."
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We need to take money out of politics. Nothing short of a constitutional amendment would make that possible.

We need a radically new approach to healthcare. A public option is bold change.

Wouldn't you say our education system needs radical bold change?

Or how we address poverty?

Ending gerrymandering will require bold change.


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26. "More that bold change can’t be driven by one government figure"
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With limited time is what I meant.

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23. "LOL at “would have corrupted him.” Adorable."
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24. "Did the Presidency not corrupt him?"
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And by "corrupt" I mean create a need to compromise his beliefs and the greater good in order to get things done?

Now imagine if he were a senator that needed to constantly fundraise and put local special interest before national interest?


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27. "RE: compromise =/= corruption"
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29. "No, it just exposed him for who he really is."
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A moderate, corporate Republican.

  

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44. "He is a Dem.. and definitely a corporate Dem"
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you don't live in the WH unless you have their approval



of course Trump is the exception but he came after a Black man named Barack Hussein Obama.

shut up already, damn

  

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47. "Today's corporate Dems are yesterday's moderate Republicans"
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Because of how far rightward Bill Clinton dragged the party. Obama admitted as much himself.

"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican," he told Noticias Univision 23 in a White House interview.

  

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49. "But every shade of corporate dem isn’t the same"
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And additionally they represent their constituents
Are N.J., NY, IL not beholden to corporate interests as states?
The granular varieties in Democratic representatives is what you’d find on a Congressional level. Your senators shouldn’t be that. They should rep their state.

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51. "Eh, they're basically the same regardless of where they're from"
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Pro war, pro wall street, austerity at every turn and doing the absolute least possible and still get liberals to vote for you.

  

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52. "RE: Eh, they're basically the same regardless of where they're from"
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We’re a country that’s pro war
There needs to be people that are anti intervention until we’re not
But that’s who we are as a country
The defense system business model is too valuable to red states

We’re a country that’s pro predatory capitalism
There needs to be a way to put checks on that but it’s who we are a country

You can’t blame that on Democrats, fighting and consumerism are core to our national identity.
I personally disagree with it.
I personally feel that more investing in this country and the social net is the way to go.
I personally am not for the culture of America.

But as long as a country built and maintained by white supremacy is allowed to never confront that core driving force of their behaviors I don’t believe that systematic and radical change can take place. Because it can SO easily be derailed by just pointing at brown people. So we get incrementalism at best. Because in large part white society both red and blue, don’t want to fully admit that to get a better country we need to address structural inequality based on and fed with racism via white supremacy.

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53. "The powers that be have always been more pro war than the voters."
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That's still true of modern Dems, Hillary and Obama included. Opinion polls and their actions confirm this.


>But that’s who we are as a country

Again, not true.


>The defense system business model is too valuable to red
>states

Not just red states. Blue states too. Hence long time Dem hawks like Feinstein in a very Blue, very peace loving state like Cali.


>We’re a country that’s pro predatory capitalism

Again, not true. The people realize the system doesn't work for them and have wanted something different FOR DECADES. It's the people in DC who don't want it to change.


>You can’t blame that on Democrats, fighting and consumerism
>are core to our national identity.

Again, that's bullshit. Those things feel like part of our national ID because Ds & Rs have been telling you that for decades.

  

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54. "🙄 you have a much higher view of a majority of Americans than history"
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Warrants.

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57. "No, I just pay attention to what the people actually want. "
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And not what we're told. The left has been overwhelmingly in favor of single payer for years, meanwhile the Dem nominee stands up and tells you why that's a pie in the sky idea that's never gonna happen. Wash, rinse, repeat.

  

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58. "You’re a pollster with a national reach?"
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68. "No, but I can read. "
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69. "Care to share some links? I’m open to learning more on your position. "
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50. "True, true"
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shut up already, damn

  

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30. "name 2 senators that have done some meaningful work"
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31. "Mitch McConnell and Strom Thurmond"
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32. "mcconnell obstructed for 8 yrs until the door opened"
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6 yrs while he had the majority


a single senator for 30 yrs is way less powerful than a president in 4-8


senator obama getting outvoted on every bill that the gop pushes thru is not helping anybody



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33. "your reply proved his influence...?"
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34. "a single vote against the prez agenda =/= influence"
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36. "see reply 32"
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39. "Cocaine Mitch literally kept Obama from getting his 2nd SCOTUS pick."
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If that bit of obstruction isn't power, I don't know what is.

If anything, the Dems should've cliqued up over that in every way possible because that was an obvious overreach by Mitch and the GOP.


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40. "Obama couldn’t get Dems to flex when he was president "
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so how could he make big loves as a senator?

Obama was always trying to reach across the aisle instead of letting his nuts hang.

shut up already, damn

  

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41. "Big moves... big moves "
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shut up already, damn

  

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72. "Obama couldnt. He was the Sidney Poitier of politics....."
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Obama couldn't just let your nuts hang because he was the first black President. He didn't want to be the last.

The next black President though.........that'll be another story.


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37. "for what? for who? Leave that man alone and let him enjoy his life"
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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45. "Because I would’ve liked an intelligent senator more interested in"
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Governance than simply politicking and grandstanding.
His respect for the institutions is what limited him as a president, but respect for the institutions is legitimately what we need from nearly every person serving.

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42. "What do you think this would accomplish?"
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Other than just having a black face present.

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43. "My reasoning is literally in the second line "
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The junior senator from Oregon is a good example of what I’m wanting in a Senator.
I could name off a number of Senators there for politicking. I can name very few interested in governance. Barack Obama for most accounts was interested in governance.

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70. "I thought you might have some specifics."
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I mean, what do you consider a "smart" "nuanced" voice in this context?
What would this voice say? What would those words accomplish?
What has Obama said or done that makes him the person who fits this description?

If you have no answers, that's fine, but the reasoning you pointed to is vague and even subjective.


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71. "Why should my personal opinion be anything but subjective?"
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You wanna challenge it? Great, develop your own and work through that

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