we talked this to death already but since it got scrubbed once and then wiped right out for our usual okp~shenanigans .. here's a poast that according to our Mods rules should be ok to talk about that ish in anyway you feel like.

wanna talk crap about suicide and how much of an L it is.. go for it here

wanna rip into individuals for whatever you imagine they may have responsibility for go for it here

Shimmy made a point to me about th whole note thing in that maybe she was just diagnosed with something like ALS etc.. could be.. but it seems folks came out with more info to lead us back into the muck of it.

personally I was kind of surprised by the number of folks who were phased by this at all... I had no idea fashion was like that in peoples awareness... seriously I was all "who?" but it seems everybody else knew.

*looks at self*

I'm scruffy and nondescript aren't I? so I guess it makes sense I wouldn't get it.

EDIT: I missed a "for" up there so put it in.

my coworker gets TMZ updates on her phone, apparently.

smh.

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BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME, make sure you're perfect.

"I'm hella Black, and irresponsibility ain't my culture. Yall niggas just gon have to own that as individuals"- Boo

the last thing I bought of hers was a watch that reads, “Paris and the single girl”.

i always look at suicide as, “that’s how deep the wound is”

my cousin’s wife blew her brains out. She left him with two young boys and left a note saying she couldn’t take (him) it anymore.

question tho...is hanging symbolic of something? just wondering why folks choose it.

I don't get it at all

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he will openly admit he doesnt understand something
then promptly proceed to say something wildly ignorant about it

i dont think he knows any other way to discuss things outside of his world view

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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

some of yall have all the answers tho

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I confessed that I don't understand why my peoples committed suicide and somehow you felt the need to chime in with a list.

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but i like loud dumb niggas like you

all too proud to tell people how ignorant they are

I think you have me confused with someone else

Are you suggesting "I don't get it at all" = selfish?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

no need to apologize

I forgive you

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I straight up don't remember saying that

I know I had questions tho

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dude barbershopped me up in here

https://youtu.be/23Nltk-3ImQ

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no nigga, some just know when to shut the fuck up and listen. something your mama never taught you

That may be shaping how he posts about it.
Something to consider.

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he prolly gone for a few now tho...

no apology, no nothing...

damn

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but I think you are a bit confused

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>question tho...is hanging symbolic of something? just
>wondering why folks choose it.

I've always had that thought in the back of my mind after hearing of someone hanging themselves, but after a friend of mine from college hung himself in 2011 it's kinda haunted me more regularly. Like, those deep enough in despair to feel suicide was the only option, why would they choose that option/way to do it ? Seems like so many things could go wrong. And seems more painful somehow ? I don't know. I cringe just thinking about it. And something about the person/people who find you too ... I think I'd have an easier time finding someone who'd shot themselves than I would finding someone hanging in a closet or somewhere. There's just something so ... I dunno, eerie, about a person hanging.

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She was sick of dude so she killed herself?

There had to be something else

>There had to be something else

than just her and her husband. i could be wrong, and i'm fine with that. but i doubt that's all it was.

think about it...

make him feel guilty about it.

Another friend who was going thru divorce told me he thought about it. I think it was failing at marriage, the embarrassment, etc. Plus she knew his closest secrets and used them against him when they argued.

So now we stay in touch on the regular because even though we are all close friends we lost touch and he didn't want to let us know his perfect marriage wasn't so perfect.

I mean, my wife once envied them because they were making bank. Money ain't shit tho if you aren't in love with each other.

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It was reported today that she was obsessed with how Robin Williams went out

There are actually media “rules” to combat this practice that have proven effective. But the higher the profile, the less standards people apply in media

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

Robin Williams was suffering from a debilitating terminal cognitive disease that would have him slowly waste away and cause great pain for the people around. He chose to end it on his own terms.

I have a hard time concluding he did the wrong thing.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

a lot of people say suicide is selfish. when in actuality someone calling suicide selfish is really the one being selfish.

>a lot of people say suicide is selfish. when in actuality
>someone calling suicide selfish is really the one being
>selfish.

I've even gone so far as to consider it "selfless" in that, from what I've heard from people in the mental health field and with folks that have considered suicide, in *their* minds much of the time, they consider themselves a burden to their loved ones and believe that relieving their loved ones from that burden they'd be doing them a favor.

Obviously none of that is true in reality / to their loved ones, in most cases, but in the suicidal person's mind it is *very* real.

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Here’s a snippet from the journalism guide which was worked with partnership from psychiatrists and psychologists.

Risk of additional suicides increases when the story explicitly describes the suicide method, uses dramatic/ graphic headlines or images, and repeated/extensive coverage sensationalizes or glamorizes a death.

Link: https://afsp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/recommendations.pdf

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chick i useta mess with.

back in the day, there was this Kate Spade bag that was so plain looking that the bootleggers were creating knockoffs you couldn't tell from the original.

it was interesting to me that the woman who NEVER bought ANYTHING less than the best saw the knockoff bag, knew what the authentic was like, and went ahead and bought the bootleg.

She killed herself because she was mentally ill. Other people have bad marriages. Other people have stressful jobs.

Add any of those stress factors to someone struggling with mental illness, and that's how you get to this outcome. Take out the mental illness element and this wouldn't have occurred. Conversely, subtract the marriage problems or the stressful career and replace it with some other stressor and you likely would have had the same result.

It's the mental illness folks. Mental Illness.

Also, Nothing has come out to truly support she killed herself to get back at her husband.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

ultimately you are right, it's the mental illness. the final straw or trigger or event or whatever is really inconsequential.

but as humans, we still wonder why. even though we really know. it's a tough concept to wrap your mind around unless you've been there. thankfully, i have not.

I also think her husband may know more than her sister since he spent every day with her.

kinda odd to tell people to stop and then tell us exactly what happened.

we really don't know yet.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

My statement is based on what we know, she suffered from a mental ilness.

There is nothing we know of today that warrants saying that she killed herself to make her husband feel guilty. Especially when the explanation is right there, she suffered from a mental illness.


You mention that the husband spent every day with her but again, that's making stuff up. You don't know if that's true or not. In fact, it only takes a little googling to see that they no longer lived together.


I mean hey, this is a message board and folks are free to speculate and come up with theories but watching this discussion is like watching monkeys trying to fuck a football.


>I also think her husband may know more than her sister since
>he spent every day with her.
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>kinda odd to tell people to stop and then tell us exactly what
>happened.
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>we really don't know yet.
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

she refused treatment because she thought it would hurt her brand

she was also upset because her husband was divorcing her

and she left a note

you are correct tho, I have no idea if they spent every day together but he was in the house on that day and prolly spent more time than her sister.

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>Add any of those stress factors to someone struggling with mental
>illness, and that's how you get to this outcome. Take out the mental
>illness element and this wouldn't have occurred. Conversely,
>subtract the marriage problems or the stressful career and replace
>it with some other stressor and you likely would have had the same
>result.

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Who Is at Risk for Suicide?

Suicide does not discriminate. People of all genders, ages, and ethnicities can be at risk.

The main risk factors for suicide are:

A prior suicide attempt
Depression and other mental health disorders
Substance abuse disorder
Family history of a mental health or substance abuse disorder
Family history of suicide
Family violence, including physical or sexual abuse
Having guns or other firearms in the home
Being in prison or jail
Being exposed to others’ suicidal behavior, such as a family member, peer, or media figure
Medical illness
Being between the ages of 15 and 24 years or over age 60
Even among people who have risk factors for suicide, most do not attempt suicide. It remains difficult to predict who will act on suicidal thoughts.

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the documentary talked about how the option of suicide runs through everyones head bur for most people suicide actually being an option is at the bottom of the list

it talked about a brain disorder that cancels out all options except suicide

so it not a matter of being weak, or thinking of family, etc.

this was late 90’s to early 2000’s
they featured a story about a black NY middle schooler that felt he was being bullied by his teacher. hung himself with his belt with his homework at his feet

before that i had no idea kid suicide was even a thing

that doc has always stayed with me
and i'm reminded of it every time someone commits suicide
the story of the boy you mentioned still resonates to this day

...that i'll never forget

she said the depression, and the negative self talk that goes along with that, had her convinced that her daughter was better off without her.

that her depression, sadness, staying in bed all the time etc was causing her family pain and seeing them worry about her, the looks on their faces, their concern, their attempts to help her, led her to validate those thoughts...that they wouldn't be having to deal w/her anymore if she weren't around

that ending their suffering equated ending her own life. She felt it was the only right thing to do.

and that's the illness. it convinces you you aren't worthy to live. that every else lives will eventually be better if you're gone.

I've been there. i didn't do it though (obviously)

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I've also heard this from multiple folks.


>...that i'll never forget
>
>she said the depression, and the negative self talk that goes
>along with that, had her convinced that her daughter was
>better off without her.
>
>that her depression, sadness, staying in bed all the time etc
>was causing her family pain and seeing them worry about her,
>the looks on their faces, their concern, their attempts to
>help her, led her to validate those thoughts...that they
>wouldn't be having to deal w/her anymore if she weren't
>around
>
>that ending their suffering equated ending her own life. She
>felt it was the only right thing to do.
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>and that's the illness. it convinces you you aren't worthy to
>live. that every else lives will eventually be better if
>you're gone.
>
>I've been there. i didn't do it though (obviously)
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Someone very close to me was absolutely convinced that:

- It was the only way to end her pain; and,
- At minimum, if she wasn't here it wouldn't be a big deal or at best, we'd be better off.

Her therapist explained to me that her (childhood) trauma rewired her brain (something about the synapses?) so she literally can't *see* how much she is loved. She doesn't believe it.

Luckily, I was able to check her into a facility before she did anything but it got close.

Since then, how I understand mental illness and the resulting behaviors like suicide, has shifted. I don't get it, but I get it.

I am not sad for Kate. She did what she wanted. She is out of pain. I am not happy for her family or her child.

But I'd rather have people kill themselves than other people. At this point in our society, people who commit suicide are doing the world a favor if they have the notion of hurting another person.

I think suicide has too much of a stigma. Unless they are teens, if a grown person wants to end their lives, let them have at it.

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
Heart & Mind

>But I'd rather have people kill themselves than other people.
>At this point in our society, people who commit suicide are
>doing the world a favor if they have the notion of hurting
>another person.

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Like where did the idea of ending one's own life become so traumatic.

I still feel sad that the person died. I feel sad that someone considered their personal pain so unbearable that they would end their life.

I had a good friend, smart, attractive, black man with engineering degrees, six figure salary and beautiful girlfriend commit suicide.Only his closest friends really knew he was in deep pain.

Looking back, it all seems like most people commit suicide over such trivial and petty things. While people who are out here doing really horrible shit have no shame in staying alive.

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
Heart & Mind

Remember the Keanu Reeves movie Constantine? Obviously there’s all the fantasy/comic book stuff but at its core that’s a movie about Reeves atoning with God for attempting suicide and being damned to hell once he does finally die, as well as his quest to prove a woman didn’t commit suicide but was “possessed” so that she will be released from hell as well.

Suicide has long been used as a metaphor for failing to pass God’s trials and accept the burden you’ve been tasked with carrying in your physical life, and this you are unfit for his salvation. A lot of people fear suicide because they don’t want to accept their loved ones and inspirations have resigned themselves to damnation rather than fought for God’s love.

Namely because of teenagers as you mentioned.

It's hard to think that if there were no more stigma for adults committing suicide, there wouldn't be a spike of kids doing it.

I think though people who meet certain conditions, should be allowed to do it. Like the Youth in Asia.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Like the Youth in Asia.<

This took me OUT.

seems I've either lost the touch or some things just can't be brought down.

Buddy_Gilapagos
Said: It also makes me think its obnoxious for people who don't suffer that sort of mental illness to say oblivious hackneyed shit like "It's a selfish act" or "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem".
First- nigga what…..
Second- I wholeheartedly agree with your statement up to this point” …. its obnoxious for people who don't suffer that sort of mental illness to say oblivious hackneyed shit…” EXACTLY BUDDY, EXACTLY. Since you went so far as to not say my name, nothing personal.
Said: “….. but I have a hard time judging that she did some terrible thing “judging is exactly you are doing. Let me know if you need for me to hold the mirror a little closer.

Brew
Said: It's mind-blowing that someone could say "mental health isn't a joke" then follow that up immediately with "suicide is a selfish act." Such bullshit.

First- nigga what…..
Second- I said what I said and I meant what I meant. I advocate for mental health all the time. I advocate that people take their mental health seriously…cause….. its not a joke. We can get down to the specifics regarding spade or we can keep it high level, either way, mental health is important and shouldn’t be ignored or passively dismissed.
Suicide is a selfish act. Period.
I eagerly await for you to explain the “ such bullshit….”
Said - "I don't remember and even if I did I don't want to name check necessaril..."
But you wanna throw mud…. Yeah ok.

Said: Sure yea - rather have “these people” come out with it and be proven wrong. I just honestly can't believe anyone could logically come to that conclusion in the first place, but it takes all kinds I guess.

Yeah it takes all kinds…. You included bruh. Like I said, I eagerly await for you to explain… and while you’re explaining, explain “ these people”…. You mean people that might not necessarily agree or see things from your great vast superior perspective…. The floor is yours though to explain “ such bullshit” and “these people”

KiloMcG
Said: "yeah exactly, surface level, knee-jerk, reflexive.
and incorrect and insensitive.

What exactly was incorrect in my post?? Just asking-
What exactly was insensitive in my post-
Speaking of, did we want to comment and teehee on the rest of the post where I said, I hope her family can get through this, or nah?

CyrenYoung
Said: "*PLEASE READ* (regarding RIP posts)"
I hope you read my post where I said, I hope her family can get through this… but that might not have been comforting/ encouraging enough…..
anyway two things:
First: what happened to going directly to someone a la : inbox. We don’t do that around here anymore… I didn’t get the memo, but noted. When in rome, do what the romans do.
Second: since it appears that mods can line item delete why weren’t yall doing that from the jump? If someone says something that the collective doesn’t like then just delete the line and keep it moving….

And for the record- I said what I said and meant what I meant… I posted that and never went back into the post until an anchor was made. Ive been coming here for yeeeaaaarrrrsssss….. this place is a time kill for me; more importantly I come here for the LOLs always have. Just the other day someone went left off some dumb shit… I said thank you have a nice day and never went back… but like Brew said, it takes all kinds.

This place is the wild wild west of keystrokes and pixels on a screen.

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BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME, make sure you're perfect.

"I'm hella Black, and irresponsibility ain't my culture. Yall niggas just gon have to own that as individuals"- Boo

>I advocate for mental health all the time. I advocate that people take their mental health seriously…cause….. its not a joke.

AND THEN:

>either way, mental health is important and shouldn’t be ignored or passively dismissed.
>Suicide is a selfish act. Period.
>I eagerly await for you to explain the “ such bullshit….”

Uhhh think you did a pretty good job explaining your bullshit all by your onesies. I'll let your borderline contradictory back-to-back statements speak for themselves.

Anyway beyond that, Cold Truth articulated my thoughts on this matter better than I ever could in post #62 so I'll leave it at that. You need to "advocate" harder. Better.

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First: I was speaking generally and not specifically to your reply. I didn't even remember who said what, so don't take what I said personally.

Second: I, too, used to feel/think that suicide was selfish. While I understand the sentiment behind that statement, I have grown in my opinion of suicide in that I don't understand the mental and emotional place that someone must be in to commit suicide, therefore I cannot and will not judge that action and call it selfish, even though I understand that it hurts others. Those others aren't in the same place as the person who killed themselves and it is impossible to understand unless you've been there yourself. Thankfully, I have not. I can't speak for you, because I don't know.

is understandable. LOL.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I'll take that a step further:

Few things are more self-centered than to call suicide selfish.

Selfish is someone deciding that other people should have enough tolerance for their own personal pain to live with and in spite of said pain so that other people don't have to feel the pain of loss.

YOU do NOT get to decide the limits of what I/he/she/him/her/they/them are able handle and/or overcome.

YOU do NOT get to decide that other people must continue to endure pain, despair, and hopelessness to such an overwhelmingly crushing, suffocating degree that the only relief they can surmise is to end of their life entirely.

Some people are able to find strength in their loved ones, their friends, their children. Some are able to find strength and purpose in their worldly passions. Some are able to squeeze just enough water from a stone to help them keep going.

The depth of despair and pain that drive people to suicide is no small thing. It's not trivial. It's not some surmountable hurdle, some minor bump in the road such that the simple putting on of bigboy/girl pants will somehow pave. It's not something that sheer force of will can overpower, nor is it a weight that can be lifted with sufficient time spent at whatever gym would correlate.

That level is, quite often, a stain that, no matter how hard one scrubs, no matter what strength of detergent one uses, no matter the amount of helping hands or machinery or newfangled methods can erase.

Some people are able to keep this thing at bay. But even if you/me/he/she/we have established a measure of victory, it's often there, on some level, lurking in the background, and it whispers in your ear just enough to remind you that it's still there.

If you "don't get it", cool. You don't because you can't, and that's just how it is, but that's the point at which you need to make empathy a conscious choice. Few things in life are more selfish then deciding that, because you do not identify personally with such an extreme level of suffering that would cause a person to end their life, than the the act of describing a person choosing to alleviate their own suffering at their own hand as selfish.

It requires a shocking degree of ignorance and/or narcissism to arrive at that conclusion, because you're ultimately deciding that said person must continue that degree suffering in order to spare the feelings of others.

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about the term "selfish".

I work with people who threaten suicide often. Over the course of my career I've had, I dunno, over 100 people threaten and not one death. But I've had clients who didn't threaten and just did...

But the ones who threaten I would definitely call "self-absorbed". And not in a flippant way--but in way where their worries have consumed them, they are unable to plan for the future, to recognize the good in their life etc. As someone mentioned these are ways in which the mental health condition infiltrates and impedes resiliency.

And many folks talk about severe isolation, in spite of what supports systems may surround them.

In our culture the terms "selfish" or "self-absorbed" have such negative connotations associated, so when we are trying to describe these states of being that are very "self" oriented, we get triggered by the language.

Just some thoughts on that...

“Your body is not a temple, it’s an amusement park. Enjoy the ride.” Anthony Bourdain

I thought of this myself as I was initially responding to kitty in the first post that got locked. That maybe by technical, textbook definition of the word, suicide (or the consideration of it) can be considered "selfish" but the negative connotation in context is why I can't co-sign or get behind that thought process.


>In our culture the terms "selfish" or "self-absorbed" have
>such negative connotations associated, so when we are trying
>to describe these states of being that are very "self"
>oriented, we get triggered by the language.
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>Just some thoughts on that...

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>If you "don't get it", cool. You don't because you can't, and
>that's just how it is, but that's the point at which you need
>to make empathy a conscious choice. Few things in life are
>more selfish then deciding that, because you do not identify
>personally with such an extreme level of suffering that would
>cause a person to end their life, than the the act of
>describing a person choosing to alleviate their own suffering
>at their own hand as selfish.
>
>It requires a shocking degree of ignorance and/or narcissism
>to arrive at that conclusion, because you're ultimately
>deciding that said person must continue that degree suffering
>in order to spare the feelings of others.

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"promise yourself to be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace of mind"-cl

BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME, make sure you're perfect.

"I'm hella Black, and irresponsibility ain't my culture. Yall niggas just gon have to own that as individuals"- Boo

You should definitely look into a reboot.

When it gets to the point where you think another person's suicide is somehow about you, it's time to end that particular franchise and start fresh.

I believe in you though.

If Paramount can finally, mercifully accept that the Michael Bay vision of Transformers managed to become a caricature of a parody and put an end to that series to pave the way for something new and different, then so can you.

find your source of pain and work through it.

and if you're unable to do that, then please explain when I did something to you in this environment that you feel so compelled to come at me the way you do.

I dont recall ever having any interaction with you on the boards yet you asshole yourself to me twice now....

meh.

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"promise yourself to be so strong that nothing can disturb your peace of mind"-cl

BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME, make sure you're perfect.

"I'm hella Black, and irresponsibility ain't my culture. Yall niggas just gon have to own that as individuals"- Boo

The fact that you can't conceive that the poor content of your posts are insufficient to garner negative replies suggests you're the one in need of working theough something.

Whether or not we've interacted on the boards is immaterial to whether or not the content of your posts warrant positive or negative responses.

You have terrible views on this subject.

The negative response is due to that and that alone, and if you have an issue with negative replies to your awful, poorly thought out perspectives, you need to improve those perspectives.

Simple.

>we talked this to death already but since it got scrubbed
>once and then wiped right out for our usual okp~shenanigans ..
>here's a poast that according to our Mods rules should be ok
>to talk about that ish in anyway you feel like.

...it explains why alot of people stopped fucking with this website.

..we simply stated that RIP post are off limits to the typical shenanigans.

that's it.

what's confusing about that?


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

I also think Case One had an RIP post and folks went in and the mods didn't do anything about it.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

..but we don't always catch everything.

i understand that people won't always agree (or be happy) about the rules.

anyone that can't respect/ignore an RIP thread can kick rocks.

its really that simple.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

requires a large amount of discretionary and subjective evaluation. The reality of your human nature and how it factors into it means that inevitably it doesn't always jive with everybody.

personally I've always understood and accepted that so while I don't always agree with mod decisions I seldom take any real exception to them.

a job they ain't paid for too.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it's a personal choice (I dont conflate "personal" and "selfish")

a personal choice that someone in pain or without hope makes, that inadvertently/inevitably winds up hurting the ones they love

just be glad to count yourselves amongst those (self included for everyone's stupid mental illness snark) who've never been ready to end it all

at least one vet from here committed suicide, we have people who still post about having suicidal thoughts yet here we are with the bullshit

for knowing her. I see nothing selfish about it just pain too much pain.

I assume and hope you mean who I am feeling here.. if there were others I didn't know them like that but she was part of my core here and I think about her often.