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"Spotify removes R. Kelly and XXXtengallonhat's music off promoted playli..."


  

          

citing hate content and hateful conduct. i'm sure this will be implemented consistently regardless of the artist...

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8455375/spotify-removes-r-kelly-music-playlists-new-hate-content-conduct-policy

Beginning today (May 10), Spotify users will no longer be able to find R. Kelly's music on any of the streaming service's editorial or algorithmic playlists. Under the terms of a new public hate content and hateful conduct policy Spotify is putting into effect, the company will no longer promote the R&B singer's music in any way, removing his songs from flagship playlists like RapCaviar, Discover Weekly or New Music Friday, for example, as well as its other genre- or mood-based playlists.

"We are removing R. Kelly’s music from all Spotify owned and operated playlists and algorithmic recommendations such as Discover Weekly," Spotify told Billboard in a statement. "His music will still be available on the service, but Spotify will not actively promote it. We don’t censor content because of an artist’s or creator’s behavior, but we want our editorial decisions -- what we choose to program -- to reflect our values. When an artist or creator does something that is especially harmful or hateful, it may affect the ways we work with or support that artist or creator."

Over the past several years, Kelly has been accused by multiple women of sexual violence, coercion and running a "sex cult," including two additional women who came forward to Buzzfeed this week. Though he has never been convicted of a crime, he has come under increasing scrutiny over the past several weeks, particularly with the launch of the #MuteRKelly movement at the end of April. Kelly has vociferously defended himself, saying those accusing him are an “attempt to distort my character and to destroy my legacy." And while RCA Records has thus far not dropped Kelly from his recording contract, Spotify has distanced itself from promoting his music.

"When we look at promotion, we look at issues around hateful conduct, where you have an artist or another creator who has done something off-platform that is so particularly out of line with our values, egregious, in a way that it becomes something that we don't want to associate ourselves with," Jonathan Prince, Spotify's vp/head of content and marketplace policy, tells Billboard. "So we've decided that in some circumstances, we may choose to not work with that artist or their content in the same way -- to not program it, to not playlist it, to not do artist marketing campaigns with that artist."

Kelly is the only artist that Spotify specifically acknowledged would fall under this new public policy, though others may also be affected. Later on Thursday, Billboard was able to confirm that controversial rapper XXXTentacion had also been removed from playlists, namely the highly influential RapCaviar.

The hateful conduct provision is one part of the new policy, which also includes a provision for hate content. The company is making a point to acknowledge there are different cultural standards as to what could be considered offensive in different regions around the globe -- Spotify is available in more than 50 countries worldwide -- but worked together with several advocacy groups to determine its definition of hate content, including The Southern Poverty Law Center, The Anti-Defamation League, Color Of Change, Showing Up for Racial Justice (SURJ), GLAAD, Muslim Advocates and the International Network Against Cyber Hate.

"Hate content is content that expressly and principally promotes, advocates, or incites hatred or violence against a group or individual based on characteristics, including, race, religion, gender identity, sex, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, veteran status, or disability," the policy reads. "When we are alerted to content that violates our policy, we may remove it (in consultation with rights holders) or refrain from promoting or manually programming it on our service."

The company acknowledges that, with more than 35 million tracks on its service, it cannot police everything, and has introduced a three-pronged reporting system for hate content or hateful conduct, including internal monitoring from its teams already in place; consultations with expert partners, such as the advocacy groups it worked with to develop the policy; and user comments and reports. The company also says it has created a monitoring tool called Spotify AudioWatch to help it screen for and flag hate content.

The new guidelines for Spotify arrive not just in the midst of the #MeToo and #TimesUp movements -- which helped springboard the #MuteRKelly initiative -- but also as YouTube, another music streaming service with a widely-used free tier and a massive user base, has had to deal with extensive criticism and an advertiser backlashrevolving around its users uploading hateful content to its platform. YouTube has announced that it is working on ways to curb hate speech and content, and revealed a new filter to screen for "hate" videos and flag them for takedown, and to not place advertisements against them.

It's also not the first time Spotify has addressed hate content on its platform; Prince acknowledges that the company has had internal policies to address such content for years, and last August the company announced it had removed an array of white supremacist content from its catalog.

"We are pleased to be in partnership with Spotify, in identifying and setting standards to ensure content on their platform continues to allow for artistic and creative freedom and expression, while ensuring the most inclusive and just world we can live in," said Rashid Shabazz, chief marketing and storytelling officer at Color of Change, which worked with Spotify on its policy, in a statement to Billboard. "Spotify is a trendsetter, and we are encouraged and hopeful that the new policy will encourage others in the digital music industry to follow their example, and look to address content on their platforms that may foster hate, discrimination and bias."

"I think that, frankly, all of us have become increasingly aware of the responsibility that we have when we make recommendations about content, and particularly when we're doing that in a way that may send signals to our audience about what we believe and what we value," Prince tells Billboard. "So we thought it was really past time for us to take a really over-arching look at that. These are really complicated issues and this is our first iteration of a really comprehensive policy. We're going to continue to try to evolve our approach to these things."

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Subject Author Message Date ID
R. Kelly's music == "Hate Content" ??? (now w/ edit)
May 10th 2018
1
Content and Conduct
May 10th 2018
2
^ ^ ^Sees it.
May 14th 2018
39
XXXtengallonhat <---- L M A O
May 10th 2018
3
same
May 10th 2018
4
i like his music, but i LOVE making up names for him
May 10th 2018
9
R Kelly's management team responds. They have a point
May 10th 2018
5
They really don’t.
May 10th 2018
6
of course they do. just stick with the facts and don't moralize
May 10th 2018
10
      ^^^^This^^^^
May 11th 2018
13
      Spotify didnt exist in John Lennon & Ozzy Osborne's prime
May 19th 2018
44
           boy oh boy, all these wack excuses
May 23rd 2018
57
                Im not sure you know the definition of excuse
May 25th 2018
70
                     no, it was not. they separated art from artists.
May 25th 2018
71
because he's accused of ongoing abuse
May 10th 2018
7
this slope slippery af.
May 10th 2018
8
its a racist Move and last I check Kellz can travel abroad passport
May 10th 2018
11
They aren't removing his music, just not promoting it
May 11th 2018
12
      He’s keeping the failing Spotify afloat.
May 12th 2018
20
Pretty sure Guns and Roses
May 11th 2018
14
Bottom line
May 11th 2018
15
It’s not that serious.
May 12th 2018
16
Solution is simple-New themed playlists
May 12th 2018
17
fuck kellz but this is a dangerous precedent
May 12th 2018
18
Depends on how many artists are pedophiles or Nazis.
May 12th 2018
19
depends on what a "lot" is...berry, jagger, bowie, lewis a lot?
May 12th 2018
23
right? because *literally everyone* peed on a kid
May 12th 2018
21
      look at this basement dweller still thinking there are only a few
May 12th 2018
22
           mans really used "it was known 20 years ago" to handwave peeing on kids
May 14th 2018
25
           name the people on spotify playlists accused of currently keeping women
May 14th 2018
26
           *dies waiting*
May 19th 2018
50
           this is pretty stupid
May 14th 2018
27
I get it, but I don't like it.
May 12th 2018
24
WHAT IF
May 14th 2018
32
      ¿que es?
May 14th 2018
37
Gotta side with MaXXX on the issue
May 14th 2018
28
They’re still carrying R. Kelly’s rape anthems.
May 14th 2018
29
But they made the 'statement'...yes?
May 14th 2018
30
      They also removed a bunch of Nazi music too.
May 14th 2018
31
      making you losers cry
May 14th 2018
33
           Man, you got more patience than me.
May 14th 2018
34
                Maybe you two can take a break from congratulating each
May 14th 2018
36
                They don't want to give these folks money
May 15th 2018
41
                     Then don’t.. it’s real easy not to give these folks money
May 19th 2018
43
                          this is an actual example (not your reply, but the whole controversy)
May 19th 2018
49
                it's so obvious that they don't care what happens
May 14th 2018
38
Can you link me that content on Spotify.com I can't seem to find it.
May 15th 2018
40
      RE: Can you link me that content on Spotify.com I can't seem to find it....
Jun 01st 2018
76
Ugh.
May 14th 2018
35
Some of which was enabled by the parents of the targeted girls
May 19th 2018
42
      so your argument is "if a girl's parents dont care, why should we?"
May 19th 2018
45
           If I'm being fair...
May 19th 2018
46
                How is that comment vile? Some of the targeted's parents were
May 19th 2018
47
                     my morality standard is not set by random parents
May 19th 2018
48
                     you're doing awful, sweetie
May 19th 2018
51
                     And where were those parents again in 1994 and 2003?
May 20th 2018
54
                          I have no clue what you're asking
May 20th 2018
55
                     It's vile because ....
May 19th 2018
52
                          He got away with it for far too long thanks to the people that allowed
May 20th 2018
53
                               if you want to be a lying shit, just say "I'm a lying shit"
May 23rd 2018
58
"it's too late, they should have did this shit 30 years ago"
May 22nd 2018
56
his streams increased?
May 23rd 2018
59
Maxxx wrote a script in Python to spin R.Kelly non stop
May 23rd 2018
60
LMAO
May 23rd 2018
61
of course they did.
May 23rd 2018
62
He's emboldened by the support he still gets from his black fanbase
May 24th 2018
63
This part.
May 24th 2018
64
shocked, amazed, appalled.
May 24th 2018
66
The Pee Hive is dumb strong
May 24th 2018
65
      RE: The Pee Hive is dumb strong-HOLY CRAP DOC!!!LMAO!!!!
Jun 01st 2018
73
he's right. On a couple of fronts
May 24th 2018
67
      Oh for sure.
May 24th 2018
68
Spotify plans to adjust policy due to artist & employee backlash (swipe)
May 25th 2018
69
You pedophile fans can rejoice. Spotify drops policy.
Jun 01st 2018
72
Lol. You mad
Jun 01st 2018
74
      it was a slippery slope
Jun 01st 2018
75
      They would have had to damn near wipe out a huge chunk.....
Jun 01st 2018
77
           Right. This cld never work as long as Last Caress by Misfits is on there
Jun 02nd 2018
78
           which spotify playlist is that on? sorry I don't browse em like that.
Jun 02nd 2018
81
           So you only read the part about playlists. There's more to the article.
Jun 02nd 2018
82
                I know, you don't actually know what the policy was.
Jun 02nd 2018
85
                     So you didn't read the article. Not surprising.
Jun 02nd 2018
87
                          this is funny because
Jun 02nd 2018
89
           Misfits are not to be taken seriously
Jun 02nd 2018
83
                So people can just say they aren't serious, and it's not "hate content"?
Jun 02nd 2018
84
                     imagine if you can hypothetically, no dirt came out on Quentin Tarantino
Jun 02nd 2018
86
                          Imagine if you can hypothetically, this was about Spotify proclaiming a
Jun 02nd 2018
88
                               um
Jun 02nd 2018
90
                               Where did I say they rolled it back?
Jun 02nd 2018
92
                                    you claimed it was about more than playlists.
Jun 02nd 2018
94
                                         They've removed certain content from their catalog for violating this
Jun 02nd 2018
96
                                              you have no idea what you're talking about, LOL
Jun 02nd 2018
99
                                                   Or you could just admit you didn't read the article thoroughly
Jun 02nd 2018
102
                                                        It's funny every time you say that.
Jun 02nd 2018
104
                               ...
Jun 02nd 2018
91
                                    Your point?
Jun 02nd 2018
93
                                         that you don't want to admit you misread it.
Jun 02nd 2018
95
                                              Ah ok, then you're just wrong.
Jun 02nd 2018
97
                                                   fortunately all the evidence is there to show I'm right.
Jun 02nd 2018
100
                                                        Or you could just admit you didn't read the article thoroughly
Jun 02nd 2018
103
           which isn't true.
Jun 02nd 2018
80
      dude whines for days about playlists
Jun 02nd 2018
79
           http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg
Jun 02nd 2018
98
                I'm glad you've found a way to admit I'm right.
Jun 02nd 2018
101

flipnile
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1. "R. Kelly's music == "Hate Content" ??? (now w/ edit)"
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Not all that murderous rap, but R. Kelly?

I mean, I don't rock with R. Kelly personally, but this just seems like some bullshit.

Just say y'all pulling his shit because of the allegations.




Edit: Just noticed the word "conduct" next to "content." Makes more sense, but seems like an even more subjective land mine. Who gets to determine what "conduct" is "hateful?"

  

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2. "Content and Conduct"
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Twilight Zone status.


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3. "XXXtengallonhat <---- L M A O "
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4. "same"
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9. "i like his music, but i LOVE making up names for him"
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5. "R Kelly's management team responds. They have a point"
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He was never convicted of anything put up against him. But at the same time, Spotify has no problem promoting CONVICTED violent criminals. So why lump him in to the "bad" crowd?

I'm not saying I agree. Just that they do have a valid point.

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6. "They really don’t. "
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Everyone knows what R. Kelly is. A lack of a criminal conviction doesn’t change that. This is a free market, if Rape Kelly and his people have a problem with how their catalog is handled they are free to take it down and start their own service. Spotify doesn’t owe him or anyone else a “fair” shake.

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10. "of course they do. just stick with the facts and don't moralize"
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john lennon and ozzy whooped women's asses. on the record. confirmed. and we're supposed to just ignore the difference in treatment for them for completely arbitrary reasons? "too bad, they're different" is just how it's gonna be? LMAO! yeah...okay.

nothing good ever comes from trying to unload the total weight of problematic behavior on a few individuals to make us all feel like the problem is actually getting better.

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44. "Spotify didnt exist in John Lennon & Ozzy Osborne's prime"
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>john lennon and ozzy whooped women's asses. on the record.
>confirmed. and we're supposed to just ignore the difference in
>treatment for them for completely arbitrary reasons? "too bad,
>they're different" is just how it's gonna be? LMAO!
>yeah...okay.
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>nothing good ever comes from trying to unload the total weight
>of problematic behavior on a few individuals to make us all
>feel like the problem is actually getting better.

R Kelly is still kidnapping, abusing and preying on young black girls

  

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57. "boy oh boy, all these wack excuses"
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Steph: I was just fooling about

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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it was logistically impossible for Spotify to do anything about John Lennon or Ozzy

now you can make a retroactive argument if you need to cape for the Pied Piper that much, but it's a pretty shitty course of logic

  

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71. "no, it was not. they separated art from artists. "
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you can do that with consistency, dead or alive.

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7. "because he's accused of ongoing abuse"
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what about black on black rap?

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11. "its a racist Move and last I check Kellz can travel abroad passport"
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hating jive sucker turkey music service. if they don't keep Kellz Music than I won't keep my free subscription

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12. "They aren't removing his music, just not promoting it"
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15. "Bottom line"
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if Spotify paying people to make playlists and users aint playing them cause R.Kelly on em, they have a case.

  

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16. "It’s not that serious."
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17. "Solution is simple-New themed playlists"
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Human Trafficking Caviar

  

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18. "fuck kellz but this is a dangerous precedent"
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soon those spotify playlists are going to be empty as fuck

  

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19. "Depends on how many artists are pedophiles or Nazis. "
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23. "depends on what a "lot" is...berry, jagger, bowie, lewis a lot?"
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21. "right? because *literally everyone* peed on a kid"
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and is accused of currently holding and abusing women right now.

the list is so long!

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22. "look at this basement dweller still thinking there are only a few"
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rotten apples over in the entertainment industry

sorry to burst your bubble but there's literally dirt on *anyone* just waiting to come out..today you draw the line at kellz peeing on children (newsflash, it was known almost 20 years ago) tomorrow maybe this fucking outrage culture will ask to delete the catalogue of anyone who paid for sex, or did drugs..

fuck i'm ashamed i have to explain this basic ass shit to grown ass "men"

  

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25. "mans really used "it was known 20 years ago" to handwave peeing on kids"
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26. "name the people on spotify playlists accused of currently keeping women"
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locked up away from their families.

I'll wait.

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50. "*dies waiting*"
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27. "this is pretty stupid"
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Despite what I said below, there's obviously a strong argument to be made that transactional services are a bit different from false or psychological imprisonment.


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24. "I get it, but I don't like it."
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Before I get into any of this, the bottom line regarding these two artists: R. Kelly's audience is already at the point they're seeking him out, not stumbling onto him, and XXXtentacion's entire brand is being too dangerous for the mainstream. This likely doesn't hurt R. Kelly and it likely helps XXX extend his 15 minutes before he goes to prison. That's my read.

That said, I don't use Spotify, but a LOT of people do. And the articles and the numbers are out there to support anyone willing to argue Spotify is the most important gatekeeper to success in the music industry currently, more than Apple Music or radio or television or Soundcloud. But unlike the old guard of radio and television, Spotify isn't just promoting the art, they're distributing it. That's not all that different than a record store or big box store advertising certain albums on your way to the R&B section or placing certain albums in the staff picks section, but Spotify's a CD section at Best Buy you can walk into whenever you want.

To me that makes this problematic because if they're just going to pick and choose flavor of the week bad boys and girls to stop promoting, then it just doesn't make any sense and artists/labels can never be entirely sure whether their music will continue to be promoted. But I think it also makes their playlists instantly disingenuous and, to me, less valuable. Like, are they going to pull "Don't Be Cruel" from, or refuse to add it to, any sort of "Essential New Jack Swing" playlist they might have or someday feel the urge to make? Jay-Z wasn't charged with but could reasonably be accused of attempted murder rather than misdemeanor assault; the details of XXX's case are far more grisly and appalling, but at the end of day stabbing a dude over a bootleg rumor is pretty fucking offensive and Not Cool (I know Jay isn't on the service, but if his catalog were to be made available, could Spotify justify adding his music to their service with zero fanfare?).

Also, as others have stated, is there a statute of limitations on this that absolves John Lennon solo records or Richard Pryor comedy albums? How much of this is about race as much as the current zeitgeist of cultural criticism?

I get why Spotify (and, it seems, Apple Music) feel the need to bow to the political pressure surround those two. But where does the line stop? Do they need to stop promoting Lil' Peep because he lived his music to an unsafe degree? Can the public handle hearing Clipse on a mid-2000s retrospective knowing the rhymes are at least partially couched in truths? Why isn't Chris Brown a part of this; is it just because nobody really talks about him except his fans anymore and Rihanna seems to have gotten over it?

I've obviously written too much about this, but TL;DR - this is stupid, but fine.


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32. "WHAT IF"
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instead of "what is"

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37. "¿que es?"
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28. "Gotta side with MaXXX on the issue"
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Outlets still carry Polansky and Woody pics...right?

What's the end goal here?

Some moral high ground that pedophiles aren't profiting off of their service...but how do you enforce that?

Are they declining subscriptions from convicted pedos?

Can I still stream Jerry Lee Lewis records?

I mean...feels like the whole issue is being able to separate art from real life

If you can do that...what's the point of this?

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29. "They’re still carrying R. Kelly’s rape anthems. "
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They just aren’t putting them on easy to find playlists.

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30. "But they made the 'statement'...yes?"
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Still stand by my reply

having some moral conduct policy in 2018 that results in singling out R. Kelly = you're doing it wrong.

They felt it necessary to

A - implement (even though it sounds like only R and XXX fall under their new moral stance)

B - make a public statement

again

what's the end goal here?

serious...what do you think they are actually accomplishing?

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31. "They also removed a bunch of Nazi music too. "
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They completely removed their catalogs, not just from playlists. That was publicized as well. You gonna throw a pity party for NegroSmasher?

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33. "making you losers cry"
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cuz it's only you losers who have been standing by every loser who targets women that are up in arms...and none of you even read past the headlines to find out what happened.

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34. "Man, you got more patience than me. "
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I feel like these points have been addressed repeatedly across two different threads and we get the same retorts. “What about Jerry Lee Lewis and Conway Twittty?”

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36. "Maybe you two can take a break from congratulating each"
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other to answer the question

What's the end goal here?

Does Nazi MUSIC offend...sure

R Kelly is offensive...but his music...nope, not offensive

Strange correlation to make between the two

So run it down for me

Ye made some recent offensive remarks...but he's okay...right

MJ...still cool...right

Etc

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41. "They don't want to give these folks money "
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That simple.

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43. "Then don’t.. it’s real easy not to give these folks money"
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but this Spotify announcement seems like a fake ass PR move.

This is some ole “We won’t seat R Kelly by the window” ass move by Spotify.

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49. "this is an actual example (not your reply, but the whole controversy)"
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of "fake outrage"

they ALREADY didn't have Kelly on their playlists...and no one noticed.

they just publicly announced the policy.

I've seen people say "well what about jesse lacy" and so I looked on their punk playlists and...there's no Brand New songs there either.

it's the least they can do. their playlists are put together by people who are in the industry who know what is going on and they make choices.

the actual kerfluffle is over nothing much at all

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38. "it's so obvious that they don't care what happens"
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they want to make sure *nothing* is done that negatively affects R Kelly, and they don't even need to know what it is.

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40. "Can you link me that content on Spotify.com I can't seem to find it. "
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76. "RE: Can you link me that content on Spotify.com I can't seem to find it...."
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https://open.spotify.com/artist/0FrpdcVlJQqibaz5HfBUrL

"The start of the 1990s brought with it a string of bizarre and sometimes horrific troubles for James. By this time, his drug use was public knowledge. He was mainly addicted to cocaine and later admitted to spending about $7,000 per week on drugs for five years straight. In 1991, he and future wife Tanya Hijazi were accused of holding 24-year-old Frances Alley hostage for up to six days although accounts vary on how long she was actually held, tying her up, forcing her to perform sexual acts, and burning her legs and abdomen with the hot end of a crack cocaine pipe, during a week-long cocaine binge. In 1993, while out on bail for that incident, James, under the influence of cocaine, assaulted music executive Mary Sauger at the St. James Club and Hotel in West Hollywood. Sauger claims she met James and Hijazi for a business meeting, but said the two then kidnapped and beat her over a 20-hour period.

James was found guilty of both offenses but was cleared of a torture charge in the crack pipe incident that could have put him in prison for the rest of his life. He served two years in Folsom Prison and lost a civil suit to Sauger, who was awarded $2 million. He was released from prison in 1996. In 1998, James was accused of sexually assaulting a 26-year-old woman, though charges were later dropped"

https://open.spotify.com/artist/36QJpDe2go2KgaRleHCDTp

Jimmy Page kidnapped and assaulted 14 year old Lori Maddox, who ended up staying with him for three years due to what I assume can be equated to a kind of trauma bonding or Stockholm Syndrome. (Maddox, in fact, had been groomed for this abuse already, having lost her virginity to David Bowie at 13.)

https://open.spotify.com/artist/0oSGxfWSnnOXhD2fKuz2Gy

https://open.spotify.com/artist/0FAxkBiT0g3jKF2AaKEipb

...and the list goes on...

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/01/13/here-is-a-list-of-men-who-made-great-but-music-were-not-always-great-people/

To be clear, this was not about R. Kelly for me

it was the precident that it sets

By all accounts, R is allegedly a terrible human being in real life...

...although he has not been convicted of anything to my knowledge...

Given the list of names in the last link, doesn't it beg the question why?

Why now, and why start with him?

The obvious answer is, because of a social media campaign, #muterkelly

So while appearing to take some type of moral stance and plant their flag in the ground for all that is right and just in the world...this was a bullshit PR move by spotify that doesn't hold water when the standard is applied to the music business.

But yes, pedophilia is wrong and should be punished to the full extent of the law.

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35. "Ugh."
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I hate y'all. Like legitimately. This man specifically targeted girls that look like your fucking daughters and nieces and sisters and cousins. Constantly, consistently, and deliberately. For years.

But yet.. .'what about _____?' Really?

As has been said, so so so many times ... no one gives a fuck about black girls. Including black men.

Disgusting.

  

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42. "Some of which was enabled by the parents of the targeted girls"
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and the Black community.



>I hate y'all. Like legitimately. This man specifically
>targeted girls that look like your fucking daughters and
>nieces and sisters and cousins. Constantly, consistently, and
>deliberately. For years.
>
>But yet.. .'what about _____?' Really?
>
>As has been said, so so so many times ... no one gives a fuck
>about black girls. Including black men.
>
>Disgusting.

And apparently, not even other Black women.

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45. "so your argument is "if a girl's parents dont care, why should we?""
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>>As has been said, so so so many times ... no one gives a
>fuck
>>about black girls. Including black men.
>>
>>Disgusting.
>
>And apparently, not even other Black women.

I have yet to see a black woman posting here defending R Kelly, soulpsychodelicyde specifically spoke about who's in the post and your retort was about R Kelly having fans elsewhere

  

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46. "If I'm being fair... "
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I've seen quite a few (black) women defend or make excuses for R. Kelly and/or vilify those girls.

It's horrific.

That said, his point about 'so did their parents' is equally vile.

So... there's that.

  

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47. "How is that comment vile? Some of the targeted's parents were"
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more than happy to do business with him in spite of his questionable rep, pimping out their daughters in the process. They knew what they were doing and who they were dealing with. It's just that they cared more about coming up on some fortune than their daughter's well-being since he was the industry's cash-cow which was why they looked the other way.

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48. "my morality standard is not set by random parents"
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maybe yours is

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51. "you're doing awful, sweetie"
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failing to hold R Kelly most accountable (there are also plenty parents who didnt overlook anything), your next argument may as well be "If it wasnt R Kelly, another sexual predator would have found them"

  

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54. "And where were those parents again in 1994 and 2003? "
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(there are also
>plenty parents who didnt overlook anything),

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55. "I have no clue what you're asking"
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Im just saying lots of people were unaware, take one of the more infamous instances with Aaliyah for example. they got married behind her family's back

  

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52. "It's vile because ...."
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... you are not holding the predator accountable. Yanno... the one who is actually responsible for the abuse?

I don't know how to say it any clearer: there is no 'but' clause when it comes to predators like R. Kelly. Pointing fingers at the parents and Harvey Weinstein and whoever else UNDERMINES AND DILUTES THE VERY REAL AND DISGUSTING BEHAVIOR OF THE ACTUAL PREDATOR WE'RE DISCUSSING.

He is a predator that has gotten away with it for far too long. Any move towards punishing him and holding him accountable should be celebrated.

That's it. There's nothing else.

  

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53. "He got away with it for far too long thanks to the people that allowed"
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him to. He was a predator indeed, but barely anyone minded it as the money kept rolling in and his name held prestige.

>He is a predator that has gotten away with it for far too
>long. Any move towards punishing him and holding him
>accountable should be celebrated.
>
>That's it. There's nothing else.
>
>

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58. "if you want to be a lying shit, just say "I'm a lying shit""
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don't make up a story that makes you feel better and ignores any number of facts you could easily find out because you prefer being a lying piece of shit.

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56. ""it's too late, they should have did this shit 30 years ago""
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Granted his math is bad unless he was up to the bullshit in 1988, but Aaliyah's album dropped in 1994 so same difference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uHzAUIorhU

  

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59. "his streams increased?"
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that nigga really is the pied piper

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60. "Maxxx wrote a script in Python to spin R.Kelly non stop"
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on multiple devices.

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61. "LMAO"
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62. "of course they did."
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y'all always act like you don't know how streaming works.

the only stuff getting plays is new stuff.

when old artists are in the news, their plays go up.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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63. "He's emboldened by the support he still gets from his black fanbase"
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I mean why would he give a fuck when by and large we ourselves don't?

I'm continuously shocked by how much support this man still has.

  

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64. "This part."
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66. "shocked, amazed, appalled."
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its crazy.

not long after all this news came out, my cousin said that he'd allow his young daughter to make music with kellz if the opportunity came about. and he mentioned the money. I told him he was stupid.

I really don't understand why he's so revered.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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65. "The Pee Hive is dumb strong"
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73. "RE: The Pee Hive is dumb strong-HOLY CRAP DOC!!!LMAO!!!!"
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So mad at myself for not thinking of "Pee Hive"

..you don't mind if I use that, do ya?

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67. "he's right. On a couple of fronts"
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the industry knew of his shit since like 94/95, had a chance to censure him long time ago, and if they were really about the victims they'd pull his (and tons of other rock artists) shit off the services long ago.

And yup, his entire career has pretty much come and gone. And destroyed songwriting in the process
It's way too late for lil symbolic shit like this

  

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68. "Oh for sure."
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>the industry knew of his shit since like 94/95, had a chance
>to censure him long time ago, and if they were really about
>the victims they'd pull his (and tons of other rock artists)
>shit off the services long ago.

This was *never* about the victims and isn't now. THAT SAID, I continue to see value in even the symbolism of every small move that is made to get him out the paint.

  

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69. "Spotify plans to adjust policy due to artist & employee backlash (swipe)"
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-24/spotify-said-to-plan-to-restore-xxxtentacion-music-after-outcry

Facing a rebellion among artists and even some of its own employees, Spotify Technology SA will partially walk back a move to punish musicians for their personal misconduct.

The music-streaming giant has told artists, managers and record-label executives that it will eventually restore songs by XXXTentacion to playlists, according to people with knowledge of the matter. The company’s top executives are talking to the music industry and civil-rights activists about how and when to adjust its rules in a manner suitable to both sides.

XXXTentacion
Photographer: Bennett Raglin/Getty Images for BET

The uproar followed Spotify’s May 10 announcement that it would root out hate speech and punish artists for misconduct. The company singled out R. Kelly, the R&B singer who has been dogged by accusations of statutory rape, as well as XXXTentacion, a rapper charged with battering a pregnant woman.

The policy changes are still being hammered out and no final decisions have been made, according to the people. There also are no plans to begin promoting R. Kelly again.

Spotify stopped including the artists in its playlists, though customers can still find the music on their own.

Though the move drew praise, it also infuriated the music industry, forcing Spotify -- just two months out from its initial public offering -- to repair a fissure with artists. Representatives for several acts, including rapper Kendrick Lamar, called Spotify Chief Executive Officer Daniel Ek and head of artist relations Troy Carter to express their frustration. They also threatened to pull their music if the company maintained its current policy.
Internal Rift

There’s also been internal dissent. Carter, the former artist manager hired two years ago as Spotify’s liaison to the music industry, told several associates that he planned to leave Spotify following the incident, three of the people said. He has since said he plans to stay, thanks to assurances from Ek that the policy will be changed.

Spotify needs the music industry’s support now more than ever, as it contends with a growing threat from rivals Apple, Amazon and Alphabet. The company, Carter, Lamar and the three major record labels all declined to comment on the ongoing negotiations.

“It is virtually impossible to police millions of songs, lyrics, contributors and artists,” said Vickie Nauman, a media consultant who has worked with Spotify and all three major record labels.
#MeToo Reaction

Jonathan Prince, who joined Spotify in 2014 as its head of communications, began devising the policy for hate speech and hateful conduct months ago -- just as fresh allegations of sexual harassment by powerful men were surfacing every day. The idea was to adapt to the new realities of the #MeToo era.

Though Spotify’s intentions were lauded, many have questioned its moral authority to punish acts for conduct in their privates lives. A spokeswoman for XXXTentacion declined to comment, but she previously responded to a query from the New York Times with a list of more than a dozen other musicians who have been accused of misconduct and haven’t been punished.

Prince was the company’s chief spokesman during its feud with Taylor Swift in 2014, the last time Spotify openly antagonized a major artist. The streaming service already had a rocky relationship with musicians, many of whom believed Spotify wasn’t paying them enough. They viewed the Swedish startup as just the latest rapacious technology company looking to get rich of their work.
Censorship Complaints

The conduct policy has been especially unpopular among artists and executives who work in hip-hop, the best-selling genre in the U.S. music industry. Executives have privately wondered why the two acts singled out are black, while plenty of white men with histories of violence were unscathed.

The abrupt way Spotify instituted the policy also sparked complaints. Record labels, music publishers, artists and managers were blindsided, and left to respond in public. “Whoa. Are they censoring the music? That’s dangerous,” Punch, the president of Top Dawg Entertainment, posted on Twitter. Top Dawg releases the music of rappers Lamar and Schoolboy Q.

The approach also opened the door to misinterpretation. Some in the music industry first believed Spotify removed the work of R. Kelly and XXXTentacion altogether. But Spotify had just scrubbed their work from playlists, a popular tool for music discovery akin to Top 40 radio.

There appears to be no easy solution for Spotify. One one hand, it wants to firm up its support among artists. But it doesn’t want to give the appearance of supporting alleged criminals -- and alienate the activists who have rushed to the company’s defense.

“Where and how do you draw the line?” said Nauman, the media consultant. “I support taking a stand and not willingly sponsoring a known violent artist, but it’s quite unclear to me how you can consistently monitor and apply any sort of similar editorial/social/cultural standards across art on any scale.”

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72. "You pedophile fans can rejoice. Spotify drops policy."
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Now you don't have to keep bringing up Jerry Lee Lewis when ignoring the horrors of R. Kelly.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/01/spotify-cancels-artist-behavior-policy/

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74. "Lol. You mad"
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This isn't about R. Kelly. It was a bad, poorly thought out policy. Anyone who isn't short sighted can clearly see that.

You can not arbitrarily punish people and think people are going to be okay with it.

Unless you clearly define the criteria.
that gets you on the "bad list", people are going to take issue with it. Especially artists and the music industry since it messes with their money.

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75. "it was a slippery slope"
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and I don't think they were prepared to follow through on their promise...

I'm sure the list of shitty singers got so long they were like nah.. lets chill on this one.

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77. "They would have had to damn near wipe out a huge chunk....."
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....of artists from any of the popular genres like rock, hip hop, soul, etc. had they stuck with their moral stance. If they only stuck with just condemning a few artists while overlooking plenty of others, they'd look like hypocrites. If the few they focused on were mainly hip hop and soul, folks would've looked at them suspiciously on the racial tip since rock has more than its fair share of dirtbags. I knew that whole moral approach was gonna be a slippery slope that they should've stayed neutral on from the jump.



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78. "Right. This cld never work as long as Last Caress by Misfits is on there"
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You can't tell me you care about "hate content" when this is on your platform:

"I got something to say
I killed your baby today
And it doesn't matter much to me
As long as it's dead
Well I got something to say
I raped your mother today
And it doesn't matter much to me
As long as she spread
Sweet lovely death
I am waiting for your breath
Come sweet death, one last caress
Go, sweet lovely death
I am waiting for your breath
Come sweet death, one last caress
Well, I got something to say
I killed your baby today
And it doesn't matter much to me
As long as it's dead
Sweet lovely death
I am waiting for your breath
Come sweet death
One last caress
One last caress, sweet death
One last caress, sweet death"

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81. "which spotify playlist is that on? sorry I don't browse em like that."
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82. "So you only read the part about playlists. There's more to the article."
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85. "I know, you don't actually know what the policy was."
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87. "So you didn't read the article. Not surprising."
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89. "this is funny because"
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83. "Misfits are not to be taken seriously"
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Like Cannibal Corpse and other such bands they make obviously over the top "horror" music. Way different than pedophiles and nazis.

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84. "So people can just say they aren't serious, and it's not "hate content"?"
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Surely you can see how that loophole would be exploited.





>Way different than pedophiles and nazis.





Well that's because Last Caress offends the "hate content" part while pedophiles and nazis fall under "hate conduct" unless their lyrics are about their conduct.

Where Misfits are the same as pedophiles and nazis is that they all violate the rules Spotify was claiming to establish.

Trying to get into who's serious and who's not to be taken serious just adds another reason why something like this is very difficult to enforce and will easily appear unjustly discriminatory.





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86. "imagine if you can hypothetically, no dirt came out on Quentin Tarantino"
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getting him out of here because his movies are violent with evil characters is different from getting actual rapists out of here

  

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88. "Imagine if you can hypothetically, this was about Spotify proclaiming a"
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specific set of rules. Imagine they didn't just announce hate conduct but also hate content. Nevermind, don't imagine... just look at the situation instead of talking about movie directors.




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90. "um"
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Spotify is *still* saying it bans "hate content."


they didn't roll that part back.

just the other part.

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92. "Where did I say they rolled it back?"
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94. "you claimed it was about more than playlists."
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the only thing that has changed is playlists.

you said they *can't* implement it if a particular song is "on there" and when I asked if you meant playlists, you said you didn't.

now you're trying to backtrack because you realize you misread.

it's cool -- just admit you misunderstood.

it happens.

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96. "They've removed certain content from their catalog for violating this"
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policy. Not removed simply from playlists, but from their catalog.
The article in the OP states this.

In your own words...
it's cool tho. Just admit you didn't read it.

It happens.

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99. "you have no idea what you're talking about, LOL"
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now you want to mix it up to escape


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102. "Or you could just admit you didn't read the article thoroughly"
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104. "It's funny every time you say that."
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91. "..."
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"The second part of our policy addressed hate content. Spotify does not permit content whose principal purpose is to incite hatred or violence against people because of their race, religion, disability, gender identity, or sexual orientation. As we’ve done before, we will remove content that violates that standard. We’re not talking about offensive, explicit, or vulgar content – we’re talking about hate speech."

https://newsroom.spotify.com/2018-06-01/spotify-policy-update/

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93. "Your point?"
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95. "that you don't want to admit you misread it."
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97. "Ah ok, then you're just wrong."
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100. "fortunately all the evidence is there to show I'm right."
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103. "Or you could just admit you didn't read the article thoroughly"
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80. "which isn't true."
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79. "dude whines for days about playlists"
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then claims someone else is mad.



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98. "http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg"
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http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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101. "I'm glad you've found a way to admit I'm right."
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it's a good emotional release for you.

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