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"R. Kelly’s not REALLY a part of #metoo, imho, but worse"
Fri May-04-18 06:46 AM by BigReg

  

          

It’s not really about NOT believing black women because let’s be honest, who doesn’t believe he did what he did? At least Cosby there was this disconnect between the pristine public image he cultivated for decades vs the monster he was in real life. R. Kelly? NO DOUBT!

Pre-Facebook/Youtube you had actual visible evidence to the point where it was joked about on the radio, etc. Let’s not even touch the fact that it was literally child pornography so many people were comfortable about discussing.
You had Dave Chapelle’s Pee On You going on fifteen years ago
You had Daily Beast going in on a full expose a year ago


At the time of the original trial I remember a bunch of the arguments at the time boiled down to ‘They were old enough to be having sex anyway’. A weird comparison basically too since he was popping at the time it was the same like a 20 year old dude pulling up in a Pathfinder macking on the seniors in the parking lot. Except these are kids barely outta middle school and a dude deep in his mid-thirties!

You can say that it’s about the view of women, specifically black women, as a disposable sexual commodity. But even then I don’t think it covers it all because they weren’t women, they were girls.

If you want to push that thought you can say it’s because the white world ages up black kids. Your Treyvon’s, the girl at the pool party and the girl in the classroom with the desk getting mollywopped by grown ass cops. Kids weighing 100 or so pounds but by their nature of blackness they are adult, dangerous and bad.

But then, those were basically white perpetrators, and R. Kelly is a uniquely black problem since everyone involved was of color. Kellz, the victims, etc.


So, why did we drop the ball?

  

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because the Ignition remix is that good
May 03rd 2018
1
Kellz aint have a hit this decade tho
May 03rd 2018
2
he still gets good crowds for his tours tho
May 03rd 2018
15
top 5 black songs most likely to get played in a white club
May 03rd 2018
9
Can't forget Baby Got Back and Just a Friend
May 03rd 2018
43
that song is the aural version of Alize mixed with Hennessy... FOH
May 04th 2018
66
this realllllllllllllly wasn't uncommon prior to
May 03rd 2018
3
I dont know if I disagree
May 03rd 2018
7
      Oh it most definitely became serious/outfront convo after him
May 03rd 2018
11
           yeah even for me it wasnt uncommon for
May 03rd 2018
12
                same here and I was that age in the late 80s
May 03rd 2018
24
                     Same here. In the mid-1990's.
May 03rd 2018
39
                          Yup it was common but Kellz and Chris Hansen deaded it
May 03rd 2018
44
                               I think we all knew 13 was too young
May 04th 2018
75
                                    Agreed but it's the larger cultural aspect I'm referencing
May 04th 2018
80
                                    yup
May 04th 2018
85
                                    chicks were in class preggo when i was 12- 13 soooo...yeah
May 04th 2018
87
                                         shit
May 04th 2018
108
you're kinda all over the place
May 03rd 2018
4
I meant We as in the ‘culture’
May 03rd 2018
6
If you're saying 'culture' as a racial buzzword
May 03rd 2018
22
      I don't think anyone is making it to be a black/white thing
May 03rd 2018
29
Point of Order, Metoo is more than just workplace harrasment.
May 03rd 2018
16
      now it is
May 03rd 2018
19
dude married a 15 yr old in the 90s. shit shoulda ended right there.
May 03rd 2018
5
True.
May 03rd 2018
10
Whoa whoa whoa how did Mike become a part of this?
May 03rd 2018
21
R.Kelly's case(s) actually had solid, tangible evidence, but yet...
May 03rd 2018
8
Its def the music. But he hasn’t had a hit in a looooonnng time
May 03rd 2018
13
RE: R. Kelly’s not REALLY a part of #metoo, imho, but worse
May 03rd 2018
14
what'd the guy do
May 03rd 2018
18
      Yoooooooo, this is what lame dude's never understand.
May 04th 2018
51
           damn. yeah the shop may be open for business but not for everyone
May 04th 2018
83
Blind turkeys. R. Kelly started the meToo moment. When a woman's fed up.
May 03rd 2018
17
Lol "woman". Dude was singing about his girlfriend's moms
May 03rd 2018
26
Didn’t he come out with a gospel album right after he got exposed?
May 03rd 2018
20
Yup... kinda....some gospel songs
May 04th 2018
48
Yeah, it was a double album
May 04th 2018
56
we ain't drop anything. He was a cash cow for the music industry
May 03rd 2018
23
RE: we ain't drop anything. He was a cash cow for the music industry
May 03rd 2018
25
Huh? Everything he did sold up through maybe like 2007-ish.
May 03rd 2018
27
      karu99 in reply #23 asserted that "culture" didn't fail but "higher ups"
May 03rd 2018
30
           Oh, got you. Well his main audience was Black women.
May 03rd 2018
32
                and they liked his music and paid for it
May 03rd 2018
34
                     see what you saying...true
May 03rd 2018
40
                          his case and trial was everywhere - what did that do to affect
May 04th 2018
62
                               some got off the train....some stayed on...i don't get your ?'s
May 04th 2018
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                                    reply #32 Black women were his audience
May 04th 2018
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                                         yes....of course black men too & a few other demographics
May 04th 2018
74
RE: we ain't drop anything. He was a cash cow for the music industry
May 03rd 2018
35
make it so bad, that was TI's daughter
May 03rd 2018
45
Correct answer
May 03rd 2018
36
reply #32 says Black women buying his music "generated money"
May 03rd 2018
37
      Radio One was headed by Cathy Hughes...soooo...
May 03rd 2018
41
      and that made Black women be R.Kelly's audience? as reply #32
May 04th 2018
55
      You realize RKelly didn’t just write songs for himself?
May 04th 2018
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           reply #32 stated Black women were his audience - If that's true
May 04th 2018
54
                RKelly wrote MJ’s You Are Not Alone
May 04th 2018
58
                     "EVERYTHING he did sold up through maybe like 2007-ish" reply #27
May 04th 2018
61
                          no.. that isn't how this works
May 04th 2018
63
                               well, if you can confront what I say, then confront what someone else
May 04th 2018
64
                                    I respond when I want, how I want and to whoever I want bruh
May 04th 2018
71
                                         and what you choose not to respond to shows what you want to avoid
May 04th 2018
73
                                              whatever makes you say yes bruh...
May 04th 2018
76
bingo.
May 04th 2018
67
nope, replies #27, #32 and #57
May 04th 2018
69
      read all of them, and he still right.
May 04th 2018
78
           reply #27 everything thing he did sold....even his shows..
May 04th 2018
79
                but the revenue he bought in allowed him to be protected
May 04th 2018
90
                     The revenue came in because people wante to buy his music
May 04th 2018
94
oops. Looks like kayru99 is correct (WaPo link)
May 04th 2018
91
      Shit. That's wild.
May 04th 2018
92
           dogg...
May 04th 2018
93
                how does that prove people were not buying his music or
May 04th 2018
95
                     let's get the Time Stone and find out what happens if Jive canceled him
May 04th 2018
96
                          he had a trial and the sex tape was viewed widely in the Black community
May 04th 2018
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                               he had a sex tape and a trial; and the industry still promoted him
May 04th 2018
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                                    but you said it was the industry and not culture. So you initially
May 04th 2018
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                                         RE: but you said it was the industry and not culture. So you initially
May 04th 2018
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                                              mom, muh, muh, mom, mummy, muh, ma, mah
May 04th 2018
104
If I remember correctly...
May 03rd 2018
28
His interview right after the trial was so nuts, too
May 03rd 2018
31
That's pretty damn dark.
May 03rd 2018
33
Not an exact quote
May 03rd 2018
38
lol, was that the Toure joint?
May 04th 2018
77
      Yup, post 38
May 04th 2018
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because MONEY matters
May 03rd 2018
42
And they weren't trying to ruin their chances at getting access
May 04th 2018
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      RE: And they weren't trying to ruin their chances at getting access
May 04th 2018
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if Kellz is so bad than also mute the acts he worked with
May 03rd 2018
46
Well...that makes 0 sense
May 04th 2018
50
first time i think ive ever seen you say this Maxx...
May 04th 2018
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      RE: first time i think ive ever seen you say this Maxx...
May 10th 2018
141
A LOT of y'all favorite artists have done some fcked up shit. Accept it.
May 04th 2018
49
There's degrees to "fucked up shit"
May 04th 2018
60
Big Pun beat his wife, Ras Kass killed someone drunk driving
May 04th 2018
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      Rass Kass? never knew that, shit
May 04th 2018
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      The Evil That Men Do
May 04th 2018
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           i remember the song but didn't know it was true
May 04th 2018
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      Brotha Lynch Hung? He dismembered his girlfriend.
May 04th 2018
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but unless they have a tape?
May 04th 2018
65
There's a class element to it.
May 04th 2018
52
kinda, sorta.. you really think White rock groups weren't getting it in
May 04th 2018
68
Jimmy Page 's been written extensively about his 14 y.o groupie
May 04th 2018
109
      Woody Allen. I feel like Black folks shrug at white folk
May 10th 2018
114
sadly, his music means too much to basic black people
May 04th 2018
57
b or B?
May 04th 2018
100
oh, I'll go all the way capital B on this one
May 04th 2018
106
basic Black. Basic Black. Basic black. basic black. ??
May 04th 2018
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(B)
May 04th 2018
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RE: sadly, his music means too much to basic black people
May 04th 2018
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      or maybe his boss told him to play it?
May 04th 2018
105
never heard those excuses, i muted R Kelly back in 2004
May 04th 2018
82
Spotify removes rapist's music from their playlists.
May 10th 2018
112
#FlushDaPeePee
May 10th 2018
113
Are they going to announce others? Or is he the only one?
May 10th 2018
115
They've removed others, he is the most high profile
May 10th 2018
117
      Apparently they are trying to be consistent about this...
May 10th 2018
118
           Ugh @ 'thewhatabouts'
May 10th 2018
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           nah, spotify has to be consistent
May 10th 2018
121
                Ugh.
May 10th 2018
126
                     It is important. Because it represents their motives....
May 10th 2018
133
                          It's important if you want to hold Spotify accountable.
May 10th 2018
137
           Speaking of Chris Brown, he's back in the news again for something terri...
May 10th 2018
135
Y'all better peep game. This slope is mad slippery....fck around
May 10th 2018
116
agreed
May 10th 2018
119
you see it
May 10th 2018
122
ehhhh. mans literally has a tape of himself peeing on a kid
May 10th 2018
128
i went off half cocked on this reply....after reading the details of Spo...
May 10th 2018
136
How will our culture survive without the availability of rape anthems?
May 10th 2018
130
LMAO.
May 10th 2018
132
If I have to type "R Kelly" into the search bar instead of having
May 10th 2018
134
I think the music is still there. They just took them off of playlists (...
May 10th 2018
123
      ohh, well, this is a nonstory
May 10th 2018
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      A pissy dime is still a dime.
May 10th 2018
125
      Damn.
May 10th 2018
129
      Spotify is tripping his music is straight
May 10th 2018
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           You don't have to be convicted of something to be guilty of it
May 10th 2018
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I think the biggest thing about R Kelly
May 10th 2018
127
yeah
May 10th 2018
131
Do we know for sure he isn’t a hit machine anymore?
May 10th 2018
138
      There's no more R&B in the mainstream, it's a dead genre.
May 10th 2018
139
      ionno.. dude is pretty versatile as a song writer
May 11th 2018
145
      idk
May 10th 2018
140
      RE: Do we know for sure he isn’t a hit machine anymore?
May 11th 2018
144

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "because the Ignition remix is that good"
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>
>So, why did we drop the ball?

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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BigReg
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2. "Kellz aint have a hit this decade tho"
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and was still doing songs with Lady Gaga on SNL

  

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15. "he still gets good crowds for his tours tho"
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of the strength of his old shit.

i havent listened to an R Kelly album since Black Panties but that was a good album.

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9. "top 5 black songs most likely to get played in a white club"
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on any given night.
(in no particular order)

1. ignition remix
2. this is how we do it
3. return of the mack
4. no diggity
5. it wasnt me

honorable mention: poison, hot in herre, hot steppa

  

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43. "Can't forget Baby Got Back and Just a Friend"
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Beckys of all ages LOOOOVE Baby Got Back
even though that's what they most lack
I never got that

he disses them both in the song and in the video and they can't get enough

  

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Dr Claw
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66. "that song is the aural version of Alize mixed with Hennessy... FOH"
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3. "this realllllllllllllly wasn't uncommon prior to"
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Thu May-03-18 02:32 PM by ambient1

  

          

>At the time of the original trial I remember a bunch of the
>arguments at the time boiled down to ‘They were old enough
>to be having sex anyway’. A weird comparison basically too
>since he was popping at the time it was the same like a 20
>year old dude pulling up in a Pathfinder macking on the
>seniors in the parking lot. Except these are kids barely
>outta middle school and a dude deep in his mid-thirties!


like in the mid to early 90s and before it was REALLY common...
go back a generation or 2...and you would be shocked even more of full on relationships/marriages of those under 18 to adults

honestly...
in a weird sick twisted sorta way

RKelly kinda deaded that whole thing and made it more taboo...

I remember VIVIDLY when he married Aaliyah and nobody blinked (too hard) of an eye


and Step in the Name of Love came out

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7. "I dont know if I disagree"
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>
>like in the mid to early 90s and before it was REALLY
>common...
>go back a generation or 2...and you would be shocked even more
>of full on relationships/marriages of those under 18 to
>adults
>
>honestly...
>in a weird sick twisted sorta way
>
>RKelly kinda deaded that whole thing and made it more
>taboo...
>

It at least became a more serious conversation outside of just something we quietlu acknowledged was happening.


Although while Aaliyah was creepy as fuck, at least you could make the argument there was ‘love’ involved since I believe it was the first we heard about it. Not after he was using teenagers as urinals tho, by that time we knew kids were his thing

  

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11. "Oh it most definitely became serious/outfront convo after him"
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>It at least became a more serious conversation outside of just
>something we quietlu acknowledged was happening.
>
>
>Although while Aaliyah was creepy as fuck, at least you could
>make the argument there was ‘love’ involved since I
>believe it was the first we heard about it. Not after he was
>using teenagers as urinals tho, by that time we knew kids were
>his thing

the tape and the disgusting shit blew it over the top


but before then...in the hood... I mean unless you had that nasty/creepy old man look...nah... niggas in that age bracket were ALWAYS gaming on (what I used to misogynistic-ally call as a teenager) 'our girls'...like regularly

then again I grew up in the number one teen-pregnancy capital era
they wasn't all getting knocked up by peers

so if you mix in the fact that his primary fanbase came from that era and of that ilk...that may have factored in a lot of the 'justifications'



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12. "yeah even for me it wasnt uncommon for "
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13,14, 15 yo girls to be "dating" 20+ year olds. and this was in like 2004.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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24. "same here and I was that age in the late 80s"
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39. "Same here. In the mid-1990's."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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44. "Yup it was common but Kellz and Chris Hansen deaded it"
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During HS (90-94) the older dudes with the systems in their rides stayed scooping the girls at the let out
We weren't even mad at em, shit we all wanted to be em
it was just a fact of life

FFWD to the pee tape and to catch a predator
the convo shifted and they were now pedos and predators


  

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75. "I think we all knew 13 was too young"
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and I never needed the pee tape or chris hanson

for me it was odd because growing up we had 12 and 13 year old girls that were cute as shit but we knew they were too young even though we were 15 at the time.

For us it was a 2 grade window. You couldn't date a girl who was a freshman if you were a senior. That was off limits. Plus our HS was only 9 thru 12 at the time so it really felt like they were too young since they were in middle school.

but once you got to 10th grade?






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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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80. "Agreed but it's the larger cultural aspect I'm referencing"
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Back in the late 40s
my grandfather married my grandmother
he was 25 and she was 14
No one batted an eye, no one said shit
no one said he was a pedo

Today he would be a statutory rapist
I don't think she would be able to consent to marriage
even with parental permission

  

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85. "yup"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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87. "chicks were in class preggo when i was 12- 13 soooo...yeah"
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the girl I 'lost my innocence with' at that very age got down with our neighborhood barber and his crew.......they had their own cars and were out of highschool

the only ones I recall really frowning upon it...was me n maybe 2 of my friends....erybody else just shrugged it off as the norm

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108. "shit"
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I dated a girl in VA who told me she lost her innocence to a grown ass dude when she was 12.

and it was obvious she was damaged due to it.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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4. "you're kinda all over the place"
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who exactly is the "we" you are accusing?

to your larger point, this boils down to a personal issue of whether you think what he's doing (preying on young girls) is an issue or not

*here* there were women who thought it was cool because of their experiences as girls (as young as 12-13) chose were chased by, chased AFTER, and had relationships with grown men. they brought the whole "agency" perspective of "my body my choice" and the wholel "young boys were/are immature so i pursued what interested me"

there are all kinda pathologies tied up in ALL of this

i don't think this (kelly) fits into "me too", unless its morphed, because i thought that was about workplace power abuse while kelly is more about pied-pipering

  

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6. "I meant We as in the ‘culture’"
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>who exactly is the "we" you are accusing?
>
>to your larger point, this boils down to a personal issue of
>whether you think what he's doing (preying on young girls) is
>an issue or not

I kept it vague because you’re always gonna have people like ‘i never fucked with kellz’ but his career barely paused even tho we all knew he was a child molester. Double albums with Jay-Z, successfully touring the nostalgia r&b circuit until the last few years.

>*here* there were women who thought it was cool because of
>their experiences as girls (as young as 12-13) chose were
>chased by, chased AFTER, and had relationships with grown men.
>they brought the whole "agency" perspective of "my body my
>choice" and the wholel "young boys were/are immature so i
>pursued what interested me"
>
>there are all kinda pathologies tied up in ALL of this
>

But thats my issue. Like i said in the OP I remember that discussion which seems insane in hindsight. Dude was clearly in his 30’s fucking 14 year olds...its not a case of a college kid dating a high schooler

>i don't think this (kelly) fits into "me too", unless its
>morphed, because i thought that was about workplace power
>abuse while kelly is more about pied-pipering

Reason I mentioned #metoo is that he’s trending under the banner after the latest allegation

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/01/arts/music/r-kelly-timesup-metoo-muterkelly.html

  

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22. "If you're saying 'culture' as a racial buzzword"
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don't forget R Kelly got some hipster love and attention with those Trapped In The Closet videos. I vaguely remember IFC showing Trapped In The Closet back when they actually aired indie flicks. I dunno if the support was ironic or what have you, but he made some cross over dollars there.

I'm not saying black folks didn't show R Kelly love, but I don't think it's fair to assume he didn't get crossover appeal at the height of his stardom.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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29. "I don't think anyone is making it to be a black/white thing"
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American pop culture as a whole gave him a wide pass after Chocolate Factory came out.

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16. "Point of Order, Metoo is more than just workplace harrasment. "
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_Too_movement

https://metoomvmt.org/


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19. "now it is"
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but in the early framing..

i stand corrected though relative to the still morphing scope

still don't think R Kelly fits (that quagmire - to me - is just the sum of the foulness we let pass related to how women are seen/co-existed-with period...ALL the foul aspects of it), but it aint for me to judge

  

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5. "dude married a 15 yr old in the 90s. shit shoulda ended right there."
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but we stayed with him through that, then through the tape, etc.

we stayed with mike tyson through the rape.

im personally guilty of all of that.

i think we all just need to admit that most of our attitudes around the treatment of girls/women was pretty shitty for a really long time.

basically all of these types of situations were portrayed and communicated through a mans lens. so we only viewed them as potential obstructions to a mans life/career.

thats why the #metoo movement is so significant imo. i honestly think its the 1st time in our history that we are collectively treating women as equally credible voices in their own experiences.

  

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10. "True."
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>but we stayed with him through that, then through the tape,
>etc.
>
>we stayed with mike tyson through the rape.
>
>im personally guilty of all of that.
>
>i think we all just need to admit that most of our attitudes
>around the treatment of girls/women was pretty shitty for a
>really long time.
>
>basically all of these types of situations were portrayed and
>communicated through a mans lens. so we only viewed them as
>potential obstructions to a mans life/career.

I mean imma say this knowing Maxxx posts on the boards, but its like did anyone like R. Kelly? Going back to Jay, he kicked him off the tour and apparently threatened his life over business/attitude shit.

Its nuts how much a pass we gave cause he had dope songs, lol.

  

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21. "Whoa whoa whoa how did Mike become a part of this?"
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He was convicted of rape but "we" stayed with him because we didn't believe he did it. I still don't. With Kellz we knew the deal and kept on "steppin".

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8. "R.Kelly's case(s) actually had solid, tangible evidence, but yet..."
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...he somehow skated. Is it because people like his music?

I've long been team #FuckThatDude


  

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13. "Its def the music. But he hasn’t had a hit in a looooonnng time"
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14. "RE: R. Kelly’s not REALLY a part of #metoo, imho, but worse"
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I just saw a guy fired yesterday on some metoo. There were soo many takeaways:

1. Because dude was young good looking, folks were reluctant to see it as being that bad. When the old white guy did it a few years ago, he got zero sympathy.

2. The girl just wanted it to go away. It took an advocate for her to really appreciate what was done to here and get her fired.

3. A lot of people felt bad for the dude, even the girl. She didn't get the same sympathy.

4. I had to hear a guy say the HR woman involved wasn't objective (assuming because she was a woman I guess). I had to remind them we as men are definitely not objective to what the experience is like for a woman.

Anyway, I park this hear because I don't want to do a seperate post about it.


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18. "what'd the guy do"
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i've noticed a lot of what flies at my job (and life in general) on a social tip depends on WHO does it.

prime (but minor) example the other day, my office is in a good spot at work to where i can hear damn near everything in the office area and the open area. i hear this dude go into a chick's office and the door closes. maybe 5 secs later the door opens and the guy's like "well i dont see why the door has to be open when im in here. you and bkwhat always sit in here w/ the door closed all the time."

"well yeah but it's not the same."

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51. "Yoooooooo, this is what lame dude's never understand."
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I've seen lame dude's get in trouble so often because they try to do something with a particular woman that he thinks another dude did with her. That is, girl was pretty open about her love life and he thought if those dudes can get at it. He could.

This case was clear cut because when he shot his shot she clearly and unequivocally shot him down and asked him to stop but he persisted like she was playing hard to get.



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83. "damn. yeah the shop may be open for business but not for everyone"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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17. "Blind turkeys. R. Kelly started the meToo moment. When a woman's fed up."
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That was decades he was the first voice turkeys

  

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26. "Lol "woman". Dude was singing about his girlfriend's moms"
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20. "Didn’t he come out with a gospel album right after he got exposed? "
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My sister is all about some gospel music and didn’t believe me when I told her about the tape

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48. "Yup... kinda....some gospel songs"
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There's a lot of guilt to go around in letting RKelly slide all these years...

  

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56. "Yeah, it was a double album"
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One that was entirely step songs and one that was entirely gospel.

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23. "we ain't drop anything. He was a cash cow for the music industry"
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he printed money as an artist and songwriter and a lot of higher ups overlooked his shit.
A lot of parents pretty much sold their daughters to him
And the ones who didn't cash in on the front end, he paid off so they wouldn't press charges on the back end.
All the narratives about "cultural failures" kind of miss the mark, IMO

  

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25. "RE: we ain't drop anything. He was a cash cow for the music industry"
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>he printed money as an artist and songwriter and a lot of
>higher ups overlooked his shit.


how did he "print money" if no one was buying his music?

And....if someone was buying his music, who was buying it?

  

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27. "Huh? Everything he did sold up through maybe like 2007-ish."
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And even after that, he still did well with shows.

  

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30. "karu99 in reply #23 asserted that "culture" didn't fail but "higher ups""
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liked R.Kelly's ability to "print money"


I was asking how did R.Kelly print money without an audience paying for his music who liked his contributions to "culture"?

  

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32. "Oh, got you. Well his main audience was Black women."
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Edit - Black women and Maxxx.

  

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34. "and they liked his music and paid for it"
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yep

  

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40. "see what you saying...true"
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but a bit of a chicken and egg thing
dude was pretty much everywhere for a minute there
if the labels and radio execs had scruples, they would have pulled his shit...they didnt tho

  

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62. "his case and trial was everywhere - what did that do to affect "
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the support he got from his audience of Black women?


Did his case and trial make Black women stop paying for his shows/music. reply #27

"Everything he did sold up through maybe like 2007-ish- And even after that, he still did well with shows"

  

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70. "some got off the train....some stayed on...i don't get your ?'s"
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I mean this is the home of 'black people aren't a monolith' so why would black women be

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72. "reply #32 Black women were his audience"
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reply #27 EVERYTHING he did sold...even his shows.


That's his support, no matter what those who didn't support him did.


His support is his support.


What filled his pocket is what filled his pockets

  

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74. "yes....of course black men too & a few other demographics"
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but yes

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35. "RE: we ain't drop anything. He was a cash cow for the music industry"
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>he printed money as an artist and songwriter and a lot of
>higher ups overlooked his shit.
>A lot of parents pretty much sold their daughters to him
>And the ones who didn't cash in on the front end, he paid off
>so they wouldn't press charges on the back end.
>All the narratives about "cultural failures" kind of miss the
>mark, IMO

Those are two separate entities though...

The industry that profited, his team he paid etc.. do not equal the parents who sold their daughters OR daughters who sold themselves..

Everyone is at fault if the BBC documentary is to be believed at face value...

On one side you had the people around him who didn't really check him and even though he seemed to be slick enough with it (no affection with aaliyah around crew) but they KNEW he got married

Other side is with his stature women would still be willing to go in the studio with him. They asked an up and coming singer backstage and she was like ABSOLUTELY

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45. "make it so bad, that was TI's daughter"
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>Other side is with his stature women would still be willing to
>go in the studio with him. They asked an up and coming singer
>backstage and she was like ABSOLUTELY
>

it weird as shit. at first, I thought was being pc with that, but she kept going.

not long after the pee vid popped off, I asked my cousin if he'd let his preteen daughter go with kellz if the opp presented itself. She doesn't even sing. I was just curious cuz he's fan. he says yes without hesitation. I was stunned.

the power of the fame/money is strong.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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36. "Correct answer"
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When you generate hundreds of millions you don’t go to jail..

until you stop generating money

Can’t no one tell me he didn’t ghost write that Soon I’ll be 40 years old song.

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37. "reply #32 says Black women buying his music "generated money" "
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for him and the industry


#23 said "higher ups" not "culture" caused that


Were Black women the "higher ups"?


Did Black women say "as longer as the 'higher ups' allow R.Kelly to make records and do shows, I guess we'll pay for that."

  

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41. "Radio One was headed by Cathy Hughes...soooo... "
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55. "and that made Black women be R.Kelly's audience? as reply #32 "
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asserted that Black women were R.Kelly's audience.

  

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53. "You realize RKelly didn’t just write songs for himself? "
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54. "reply #32 stated Black women were his audience - If that's true"
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then Black women generated money for him and his career.


What does the question of R.Kelly writing songs for himself mean?


If Black women paid for his music, then Black women supported him.


Are you saying Black women had to buy R.Kelly's music and pay to see his shows because R.Kelly couldn't pay for his music himself?



edit: if you're stating that R.Kelly's songwriting for Changing Faces and Sparkle and a song or two for Ginuwine is the main way Black women supported R.Kelly, when Teknontheou in reply #27 stated:

"EVERYTHING he did sold up through maybe like 2007-ish, And even after that, he still did well with shows."


I'm sure that statement encapsulates R.Kelly's solo career, not just songs he wrote for others like Ginuwine.

  

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58. "RKelly wrote MJ’s You Are Not Alone"
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and also wrote a song for Celine Dion.

I don’t care what other folks said in other post.

The industry protects people like RKelly who have the potential to write hits and more hits for people.

I also think dude is still ghost writing for other folks but they aren’t going to put it in the credits for obvious reasons.

When you write hits, you can get away with a lot. Plus it’s the record industry and sex with underaged women ain’t really much of a concern with old ass record execs.

Backstage, underaged, adolescence...

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61. ""EVERYTHING he did sold up through maybe like 2007-ish" reply #27"
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"Black women were his audience" reply #32


I don't care if you don't want to reply to those claims, I'm going to keep upping them until you deal with them

reply #57 "sadly, his music means too much to basic black people"


that one too

  

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63. "no.. that isn't how this works"
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just because you lock onto a post or two doesn't mean everyone else will.

good luck with that

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64. "well, if you can confront what I say, then confront what someone else "
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says.


I'm not with "picking and choosing"


If it is posted, then it's up for examining.

  

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71. "I respond when I want, how I want and to whoever I want bruh"
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73. "and what you choose not to respond to shows what you want to avoid"
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yes

  

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76. "whatever makes you say yes bruh..."
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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67. "bingo."
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69. "nope, replies #27, #32 and #57"
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yes

  

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78. "read all of them, and he still right."
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main reason Kellz has been allowed to cook is because he was printing money for them. now? not so much...

he would have been cancelled back in 1995 if it took him being a pedo to be outta here

  

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79. "reply #27 everything thing he did sold....even his shows.."
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if that's how R.Kelly printed money then his audience is how he printed money - not the higher ups

  

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90. "but the revenue he bought in allowed him to be protected"
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meaning, he wasn't dropped by a label, or kept off radio, cuz he was a major revenue stream.
So the higher ups protected him in THAT way

  

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94. "The revenue came in because people wante to buy his music"
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and see his shows.


They paid for the music, went to the shows, etc.


If that's what they did, then that is that.

  

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91. "oops. Looks like kayru99 is correct (WaPo link)"
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link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/style/wp/2018/05/04/feature/how-the-music-industry-overlooked-r-kellys-alleged-abuse-of-young-women/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.31392d5a9110

"As early as 1994, Kelly’s tour manager Demetrius Smith recalls warning Clive Calder, the founder of Jive Records, the first label to sign Kelly.

'I said, 'Clive, you all need to tell him that you all aren’t going to put out his records if he continues to have these incidents with these girls after the show,' ' Smith says he told Calder. “Because it was going on at every show.”

Calder, who is rarely interviewed, was reached at his home in the Cayman Islands. He said he regrets not trying harder to get help for Kelly.

'But I’m not a psychiatrist, and this guy is a troubled guy,' said the mogul, who sold Jive for $2.7 billion in 2002. 'Clearly, we missed something.'"

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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92. "Shit. That's wild. "
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Maaaaaan...
Meanwhile, as per usual, who's been the scapegoat for Kellz not being in jail for the past decade, lol?

  

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93. "dogg..."
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this fortress around Kellz is wild. Not just the one he built himself, but the continual Cuban B-ing by the record in the face of dudes who were like "hey, dogg... this dude is foul"

  

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95. "how does that prove people were not buying his music or "
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going to his shows?

  

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96. "let's get the Time Stone and find out what happens if Jive canceled him"
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would they still buy?

  

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97. "he had a trial and the sex tape was viewed widely in the Black community"
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did that stop people from buying his music or going to his shows?

  

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98. "he had a sex tape and a trial; and the industry still promoted him"
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its not an either/or. It's symbiotic

  

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99. "but you said it was the industry and not culture. So you initially"
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didn't say "symbiotic"

  

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101. "RE: but you said it was the industry and not culture. So you initially"
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"he printed money as an artist and songwriter >>>>AND<<<< a lot of higher ups overlooked his shit."

No I didn't use the exact word symbiotic. You got me.

  

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104. "mom, muh, muh, mom, mummy, muh, ma, mah"
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dude got the full court press, trapping on all picks, 96 ft of defense.

smacks floor like wojo

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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28. "If I remember correctly..."
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The victim was Sparkle's niece.

Sparkle got on the stand and said it was her niece.

The victim didn't testify and that was enough to let him skate in the court.

"We" dropped the ball cause he basically got off on some bullshit, and the niggas that were gonna ride with him anyway used that as an excuse to keep supporting that fuck nigga. The rest used it as an excuse to make it OK to work with / make money with him again. Even though it's overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It snowballed from there.

Now that I think about it in retrospect, Piss on you may have helped his career because it was so popular. It added to the mythos.


  

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31. "His interview right after the trial was so nuts, too"
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"Yeah I like teenage girls. 18 or 19 only, though."

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33. "That's pretty damn dark."
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Almost like he's making light of his issues. Pretty bone chilling if he actually said that verbatim.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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38. "Not an exact quote"
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Here's the interview, the exact quote wasn't as bad as I remembered it. But this was *right* after the trial. Trying to equivocate any attraction to teenagers with the fact that 19 is both a teenager and legal is not something a normal human who has any semblance of shame does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsSrdcSBL9I

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77. "lol, was that the Toure joint?"
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he said something like that there

  

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103. "Yup, post 38"
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42. "because MONEY matters"
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as was stated earlier, he was a cash cow for the industry.

also, a lot (if not ALL) of these young women are broke, and impressionable.

Imagine being behind on your mortgage, finding out R. Kelly is screwing your 17 yr. old daughter......but he ALSO gave you $50,000 not to say $hit. I don't think anyone here would think twice about fucking him up/suing him but other folks might take the $$$.

Are you a victim if you don't feel like you're a victim?

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47. "And they weren't trying to ruin their chances at getting access "
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to some of that money.



>as was stated earlier, he was a cash cow for the industry.
>
>also, a lot (if not ALL) of these young women are broke, and
>impressionable.



>Imagine being behind on your mortgage, finding out R. Kelly is
>screwing your 17 yr. old daughter......but he ALSO gave you
>$50,000 not to say $hit. I don't think anyone here would think
>twice about fucking him up/suing him but other folks might
>take the $$$.
>
>Are you a victim if you don't feel like you're a victim?

Victim of what? That would make the person a coward and an enabler.

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89. "RE: And they weren't trying to ruin their chances at getting access "
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>Victim of what? That would make the person a coward and an
>enabler.

^^right.

The OP did pose the question 'how is R. Kelly still cooking' more or less..


and part of the reason is that PERHAPS for monetary reasons, some of his victims are enabling him...either through fear, coercion or whatever.

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46. "if Kellz is so bad than also mute the acts he worked with"
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no he ain't no saint and done dirt. I don't care for his Personal life and choices, Musically though He is a Musical Genius and Before bruno mars came along he was the Money man on both sides of the tracks.

His Catelog and His Ghostwork speak for itself.

folks going after him because he is older and also ain't had a hit in a minute, however in his double decade long hot streak turkeys weren't saying jack and just like Bill Cosby ain't nobody giving back the money they made off of him.

if you Mute R.Kelly than Mute Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones, Charlie wilson, Jay Z,Nas,Gerlad levert,Joe, brian Mcknight, Usher,Snoop Dogg, Bruno Mars,Toni Braxton,Dj Quik,Maxwell,Luther Vandross,etc..

they all done worked with R.Kelly

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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50. "Well...that makes 0 sense"
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59. "first time i think ive ever seen you say this Maxx..."
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at least you acknowledge that there is cause for concern. big step.

>no he ain't no saint and done dirt. I don't care for his
>Personal life and choices

  

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141. "RE: first time i think ive ever seen you say this Maxx..."
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Musically I'm done with him for life and it should be about his god given talent, however i don't want that other from him or anyone else because things are bit much, however musically I will always defend his talent and I learn to seperate the two long ago.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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49. "A LOT of y'all favorite artists have done some fcked up shit. Accept it."
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i'm just saying...
this is a Hip Hop based message board...we guilty too.
There's a WHOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLEEEEEE lotta shit that's been put "on wax" that we could/should be lumping into this...




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60. "There's degrees to "fucked up shit""
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Raping and preying on underage girls is pretty much at the top of that list.

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81. "Big Pun beat his wife, Ras Kass killed someone drunk driving"
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C-Murder manifested his name into existence and got life in prison

which one is better or worse?

  

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84. "Rass Kass? never knew that, shit"
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but yeah, how many people in here screaming on Kellz still bump Big Pun?

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86. "The Evil That Men Do"
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Did a caper, and took my Guinness Stout to the head
September 1990, drunk drivin, the light turned red
Somebody hit from the rear, I hit the brakes
Then lost control of the steering wheel
Hit a black Camaro and that's all I remember that night
I woke up to a 5-0 flashlight
The car that I hit had exploded on impact
One woman escaped, but the driver was trapped, he burned to death
Manslaughter, off to C-Y-A
Liftin weights in the yard and playin spades all day
Now I'm eighteen, hit the County in the mix
"Name and last three!" Austin, oh-six-six

  

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88. "i remember the song but didn't know it was true"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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110. "Brotha Lynch Hung? He dismembered his girlfriend. "
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South Park Mexican? Something in the vein of R. Kelly.

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65. "but unless they have a tape? "
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you right.

I'm not going to stop loving your body's calling me

sorry, that shit is hot.

and folks ain't gonna stop dancing or vibing to MJ, Prince, James Brown, Miles Davis, etc...

lord knows what these white rockers used to do on tours.

and how many folks ain't rocking with George Michael? Cause that damn Father Figure is blazing hot but blatantly pedo as hell.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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52. "There's a class element to it."
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The same way it seems like no one cares when hood dude's shoot and kill each other, there is something similar with the sex lives of perceived fast ghetto girls.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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68. "kinda, sorta.. you really think White rock groups weren't getting it in "
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backstage or on the tour bus with young ass girls?

IMO it's more of a "groupies gonna groupy" thing.

How many white entertainers have stories about young girls and no one screams JAIL

hell, your boy Woody Allen, anytime he gets brought up in here folks be quick to say shit like "you don't have all the facts" but he made Manhattan or whatever trash he made.

in the end, most folks just want the art, not the artist.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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109. "Jimmy Page 's been written extensively about his 14 y.o groupie"
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In most Led Zep bios from the 80's and nobody batted an eye. Lori Maddox I believe, the well known one. Even have pics of page and her in Hollywood bars together and shit. 14 yall...14


>The same way it seems like no one cares when hood dude's
>shoot and kill each other, there is something similar with the
>sex lives of perceived fast ghetto girls.
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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114. "Woody Allen. I feel like Black folks shrug at white folk"
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but want justice to the fullest with Black entertainers.

and if you don’t rock with white entertainers who do wild shit then cool, however, on here I seen folks defend Woody Allen or David Bowie.

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57. "sadly, his music means too much to basic black people"
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namely, they overlooked everything after Step In The Name Of Love

now the more bullshit we find out about, it's like "well we already knew that" to the point of acceptance and complacency

if there's a silver lining it's no one is acting it didnt happen a la "Cliff Huxtable raised me"

  

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100. "b or B?"
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106. "oh, I'll go all the way capital B on this one"
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and a whole lot of non-blacks (of all cases) that are the "tastemakers"

because dude should have been ejected @ "Trapped In The Closet"

dude had the nerve to put the sound of dripping pee pee in the beat

  

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107. "basic Black. Basic Black. Basic black. basic black. ??"
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i mean...
i'm just saying...


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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111. "(B)"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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102. "RE: sadly, his music means too much to basic black people"
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ill never forget hearing Tom Joyner say before playing one of his songs
“did we forgive R Kelly? well, i guess we did”


no Tom, we didnt
but DJs like you refuse to stop playing his music

  

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105. "or maybe his boss told him to play it? "
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Not sure how those shows work but I wouldn't be surprised if he has to play what's on the list.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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82. "never heard those excuses, i muted R Kelly back in 2004"
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its a shame the black community didnt follow suit then

  

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112. "Spotify removes rapist's music from their playlists."
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113. "#FlushDaPeePee"
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115. "Are they going to announce others? Or is he the only one?"
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Because there are a lot of terrible people out there with hit records

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117. "They've removed others, he is the most high profile"
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Nobody gives a rats ass that nazi music from a Norwegian band has been removed.

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118. "Apparently they are trying to be consistent about this..."
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I was about to "what about" the hell out of this. But they are getting some other people with hits.
But as this article points out, they are going to have to make tough judgement calls.

https://www.spin.com/2018/05/spotify-xxxtentacion-tay-k-removed-playlists/

Based on a comparison of several key playlists, it seems as though rappers XXXTentacion and Tay-K have also been marked for exclusion. XXXTentacion is accused of beating and strangling his then-pregnant girlfriend in 2016 and subsequent witness tampering; Tay-K recorded his breakout single “The Race” while on the lam over a capital murder charge. On Wednesday, before the new policy announcement, XXXTentacion’s songs “SAD!,” “$$$,” and “I don’t even speak spanish lol,” and Tay-K’s “After You,” appeared variously the on rap-centric Spotify playlists Get Turnt, Most Necessary, and the marquee Rap Caviar. By Thursday, they had all been removed. (Interestingly, “Hard,” a song that features Tay-K but does not list him as the primary performer, is still on Most Necessary as of Friday morning.)

However, not every artist with alleged violence in their past has received similar treatment. Famous Dex, YoungBoy Never Broke Again, and Chris Brown have all been accused of assaulting their girlfriends at some point, and all three still have songs on at least one of the aforementioned playlists. G-Eazy, who was recently convicted of assaulting a nightclub security guard in Sweden, appears on “Get Turnt.”

Their inclusion highlights difficulties Spotify may face when determining whose actions warrant exclusion going forward. Like any platform attempting to regulate the content it hosts and promotes, the company now assumes a role of moral arbiter, making complex decisions about acceptability that often do not have a clear answer. Does Chris Brown get a pass because he was convicted and served his probation for assaulting Rihanna? (Or because he’s the most famous person here?) Is G-Eazy acceptable because he punched a bouncer and not his girlfriend? (Or because he’s a white guy whose public image doesn’t offend the sensibilities of the people making the decisions?) Should Chuck Berry and Jerry Lee Lewis be removed from the Spotify-owned Rockabilly Mania playlist for their own well-documented dalliances with underaged girls? (They haven’t been.) Most people might agree about R. Kelly, but there’s no reliable black-and-white definition for “hateful conduct.”

Update (11:05): “You are so right that this is a complicated process with a ton of grey areas, so we’re can’t get into an artist by artist discussion,” said Spotify communications head Graham James when reached by email. “In general we work with our partners and try to make the best decisions on a case by case basis.”

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120. "Ugh @ 'thewhatabouts'"
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So problematic

  

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121. "nah, spotify has to be consistent"
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once they open that box they have to show consistency..

and why wouldn't they?

No way artist like Chris Brown, David Bowie, Led Zeppelin (no idea if they are) should be able to rock while others get pulled.


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126. "Ugh."
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No. Just, no.

Folks are so busy wagging their fingers about what ____ has to do for "consistency" (which is hot bullshit cuz that ain't the reason, but I digress) that they're not celebrating the HUGE step that (in this case, Spotify) were the first to make. It undermines the importance and significance of *this* move.

Completely dilutes THIS very important message.

So if they don't boot EVERY predator/violent offender/woman beater this is somehow invalid?

The whatabouts are HORRID.

  

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133. "It is important. Because it represents their motives...."
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If all they did was just take R. Kelly off their playlists, then their motive is very clear. It wouldn't be about not promoting despicable artists. It would just be a response to a viral campaign (Mute R. Kelly).

By expanding the list of violators and being consistent, it shows that it isn't just a reactionary response to quell some temporary outrage. It would show that they actually have a real stance on this issue


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137. "It's important if you want to hold Spotify accountable."
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It's far less important if you're most interested in holding R. Kelly accountable.

  

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135. "Speaking of Chris Brown, he's back in the news again for something terri..."
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https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2018/05/10/610060176/chris-brown-rapper-young-lo-named-in-sexual-assault-suit

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116. "Y'all better peep game. This slope is mad slippery....fck around"
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and have public record of your whole culture snatched out from under you....



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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119. "agreed"
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this sort of thing (grown people playing "takeback") is silly and messy

  

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122. "you see it"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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128. "ehhhh. mans literally has a tape of himself peeing on a kid"
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if he's not getting promotion from the curated playlists we're going to have to live with that.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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136. "i went off half cocked on this reply....after reading the details of Spo..."
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proposed action...I digress.
For now....



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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130. "How will our culture survive without the availability of rape anthems?"
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132. "LMAO."
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The sheer grossness of clutching one's pearls over not having access (on one fucking platform, mind you) to the art of a serial predator....

  

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134. "If I have to type "R Kelly" into the search bar instead of having"
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Sex Planet play automatically when I click on the "Toilet Water R&B Hitz" playlist, it's literally Stalin.

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123. "I think the music is still there. They just took them off of playlists (..."
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So for example, if you go looking for "12 Play," you'll find it on the R. Kelly artist page and you can listen normally. But they won't include "Bump & Grind" on their 90s Throwback playlist.

I think that's how it works.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/10/arts/music/rkelly-spotify-accusations-xxxtentacion.html

R. Kelly’s music will no longer be promoted by Spotify and has been removed from all official playlists and recommendation features on the streaming service, the company announced Thursday, adding its voice to the growing chorus attempting to hold the singer responsible after decades of accusations of sexual misconduct.

“We don’t censor content because of an artist’s or creator’s behavior, but we want our editorial decisions — what we choose to program — to reflect our values,” Spotify said in a statement. “When an artist or creator does something that is especially harmful or hateful, it may affect the ways we work with or support that artist or creator.”

Last week, the Time’s Up organization, which formed around the #MeToo movement to support victims of sexual abuse, joined a grass-roots #MuteRKelly campaign that has called on his record label and concert promoter, as well as local venues, radio stations and streaming services to cease its support of the platinum-selling R&B singer.

R. Kelly, who for years has faced lawsuits and news reports alleging sexual coercion and abuse of young girls and women, has denied the accusations. He is not currently facing any criminal charges and was acquitted in 2008 in a child pornography case that took six years to bring to trial. His management team has called the recent Time’s Up campaign an “attempted public lynching of a black man.”

Spotify’s announcement regarding R. Kelly’s music came as the company debuted a new policy regarding “hate content and hateful conduct.” It defines such content as any that “expressly and principally promotes, advocates, or incites hatred or violence against a group or individual based on characteristics, including, race, religion, gender identity, sex, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, veteran status, or disability.”

The streaming service also noted that it has “thought long and hard about how to handle content that is not hate content itself, but is principally made by artists or other creators who have demonstrated hateful conduct personally.”

A representative for Spotify said that in addition to R. Kelly, the chart-topping rapper and singer XXXTentacion, who is facing charges in Florida that include aggravated battery of a pregnant woman and witness tampering, was also removed from playlists as of Thursday. As recently as Wednesday, XXXTentacion was featured on the popular Rap Caviar playlist.

Universal Music, which oversees XXXTentacion’s distributor, Caroline, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. R. Kelly’s label, RCA Records, a division of Sony Music, did not immediately comment either.

R. Kelly currently has one publicly scheduled tour date, on Friday in Greensboro, N.C. A representative for the venue, the Greensboro Coliseum Complex, said on Thursday that the show had not been affected by the protest effort, and tickets are still available via Ticketmaster.

Though Spotify has previously removed songs from white supremacist acts, its new policy represents a more hands-on approach to editorial decisions such as the content of playlists and the algorithmic recommendations of features like Discover Weekly. Asked last August about its policy regarding artists charged with violent crimes, Spotify said: “As a general matter, Spotify does not alter its content library based on the actions of the individuals behind the content. We hope that Spotify’s users will use their own discretion to determine exactly what music they listen to.”

Now, Spotify said the decision to no longer promote an artist would be made on a case-by-case basis by an internal committee led by Jonathan Prince, the company’s vice president of content and marketplace policy. The company said it had also partnered with advocacy groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, Glaad and the Anti-Defamation League to help identify hateful content.

“When we look at promotion, we look at issues around hateful conduct, where you have an artist or another creator who has done something off-platform that is so particularly out of line with our values, egregious, in a way that it becomes something that we don’t want to associate ourselves with,” Mr. Prince told Billboard.

However, Spotify noted in its announcement, “It’s important to remember that cultural standards and sensitivities vary widely. That means there will always be content that is acceptable in some circumstances, but is offensive in others, and we will always look at the entire context.”

  

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124. "ohh, well, this is a nonstory"
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and also makes me believe they still want them spins..

they half stepped

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125. "A pissy dime is still a dime."
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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129. "Damn."
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You're 100% right.

  

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142. "Spotify is tripping his music is straight"
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and how they gonna judge him when he ain't been convicted of anything?

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143. "You don't have to be convicted of something to be guilty of it"
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and he's guilty as fuck.....multiple among multiple times.

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127. "I think the biggest thing about R Kelly"
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is that for a lot of people, if they went hard against him, then they would have to look at things they took part in, from whatever end, that are similarly creepy. that's what stops his fans from addressing what they know he's done, and a lot of the men at various industry levels from talking about it because then they'd get the "whatabout your boy so and so who had the teenage girl at xx time"

it's weird, because dude hasn't been any kind of hit machine for a long time, and yet people still work with him and defend him like there's money to get there.

bruno mars gets put through the spin cycle for appropriation...but now having r kelly on a remix a couple of years ago that most people didn't hear.




www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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131. "yeah"
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>bruno mars gets put through the spin cycle for
>appropriation...but now having r kelly on a remix a couple of
>years ago that most people didn't hear.


it's like he's The Pied Piper of escaping the frying pan

  

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138. "Do we know for sure he isn’t a hit machine anymore? "
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I know HE isn’t writing hits for himself but what if he is ghostwriting for other people?

I’m sure he still writing and submitting work ideas for other people

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139. "There's no more R&B in the mainstream, it's a dead genre."
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At least at the popular level. So whatever he might be writing, there's no one putting it out.

With his level of talent, I bet he is writing some good stuff, but no one other than Beyonce and Rihanna is having any kid of sustained presence in R&B now.

  

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145. "ionno.. dude is pretty versatile as a song writer"
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I think when you make over 100 mill as a song writer/artist the industry will always have a place for you.

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140. "idk"
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is there anything out there that sounds like an R Kelly joint?

Like, I don't see him ghost writing finesse
www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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144. "RE: Do we know for sure he isn’t a hit machine anymore? "
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He is not..

His entire style is dated at this point

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