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Dstl1
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"9 dead, 16 injured in Toronto when van strikes pedestrians"


          

Ugh

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pedestrians-struck-white-van-1.4631564

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Sad. Seems like nothing can be done other than getting rid of the desire
Apr 23rd 2018
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We've gotta fix the underlying issues that lead people to terrorism
Apr 24th 2018
2
Is it terrorism? sounds like he praised another mass murderer
Apr 24th 2018
3
How is killing random people not terrorism?
Apr 24th 2018
4
      OK, gotcha
Apr 24th 2018
5
      Nah, terrorism is the use of violence for political aims
Apr 24th 2018
6
      Did he want something to come from his actions?
Apr 24th 2018
7
           RE: Did he want something to come from his actions?
Apr 24th 2018
8
                I mean, well, he was connected to the alt right , who have the White Hou...
Apr 25th 2018
20
Okay, it's NOT TERRORISM.
Apr 24th 2018
9
I'm still operating from terrorism = political
Apr 24th 2018
10
I think because you're talking about underlying issues
Apr 24th 2018
11
The distinction is a lot more than semantics
Apr 24th 2018
12
      Y'all are right. I looked it up and it's exactly what y'all say.
Apr 24th 2018
15
i thought this was just an incel rebellion or some shit.
Apr 24th 2018
13
Did anyone see the vid of the cop who arrested him?
Apr 24th 2018
14
all the while literally asking the cop to kill him, several times
Apr 24th 2018
16
No its not.
Apr 25th 2018
19
Right?
Apr 24th 2018
17
These lsoers need help - or...
Apr 25th 2018
18

PimpTrickGangstaClik
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1. "Sad. Seems like nothing can be done other than getting rid of the desire"
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It's not like you can stop folks from getting vehicles

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flipnile
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Tue Apr-24-18 09:27 AM

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2. "We've gotta fix the underlying issues that lead people to terrorism"
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Crazies will use guns, cars, bombs, chemicals or whatever works to kill people.

Can't ban everything.

  

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legsdiamond
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3. "Is it terrorism? sounds like he praised another mass murderer"
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- In high school, "he was always smiling. It wasn't his intention; it was out of his control."


"All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!" reads the message on the account investigators believe belongs to Minassian, Campbell said.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/24/us/toronto-suspect-what-we-know/index.html


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flipnile
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4. "How is killing random people not terrorism?"
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Tue Apr-24-18 10:14 AM by flipnile

          

It doesn't count because he didn't use an AR-15?

Edit: Also, dude probably didn't use an AR-15 (or any gun) because he was in Canada, with its stricter gun laws. So... he just went to the next more easily available option.


Unless he was settling a beef or was a paid assassin, etc., it was terrorism.

  

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legsdiamond
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5. "OK, gotcha"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Cocobrotha2
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6. "Nah, terrorism is the use of violence for political aims"
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Tue Apr-24-18 12:22 PM by Cocobrotha2

          

It's randomly bombing a population to get their government to concede on some political point.

It's attacking people within a certain group in order to push them out of a town or region.

trying to incite a race war... etc

I haven't heard of anything politically related to this event. It sounds more like someone with mental health issues lashing out.

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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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7. "Did he want something to come from his actions? "
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Was he making a statement about some issue?
Is there the threat that more attacks will be coming?

If no, then it is not terrorism.
It isn't terrorism just because the event is terrorizing

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Wonderl33t
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8. "RE: Did he want something to come from his actions? "
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>It isn't terrorism just because the event is terrorizing

Sure it is. This is 2018, where we redefine words based on our emotional state.


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Geez 216
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20. "I mean, well, he was connected to the alt right , who have the White Hou..."
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>>It isn't terrorism just because the event is terrorizing
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>Sure it is. This is 2018, where we redefine words based on
>our emotional state.
>
>

They somehow have a political movement and this is apart of that advancement...

  

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flipnile
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9. "Okay, it's NOT TERRORISM."
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Not sure what the purpose of that particular semantic debate is, but ok. It's not terrorism.

10 people still died, and I think 9 more injured in a random, violent attack using a deadly weapon.

  

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legsdiamond
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10. "I'm still operating from terrorism = political "
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but I get what you are saying.

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Mynoriti
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11. "I think because you're talking about underlying issues "
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and the cause of what would motivate someone to murder innocent people people due to some sort of ideology would generally be different than someone who was, say, mentally ill.


>Not sure what the purpose of that particular semantic debate
>is, but ok. It's not terrorism.
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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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12. "The distinction is a lot more than semantics"
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Tue Apr-24-18 02:19 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

There are ways of dealing with terrorism. Counter-intelligence, policy, walls and checkpoints (see Israel), etc.
Buy you can't put up a resistance against something that is completely random.

>Not sure what the purpose of that particular semantic debate
>is, but ok. It's not terrorism.
>
>10 people still died, and I think 9 more injured in a random,
>violent attack using a deadly weapon.

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flipnile
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15. "Y'all are right. I looked it up and it's exactly what y'all say."
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'the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.'


I should have looked it up first.

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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13. "i thought this was just an incel rebellion or some shit."
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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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14. "Did anyone see the vid of the cop who arrested him?"
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Dude was approaching the cop pretending to have a gun (it was a cell phone). And the cop didn't shoot him.
He wouldn't have lasted 0.5secs in the US

https://twitter.com/vce7/status/988487471238451201

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benny
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16. "all the while literally asking the cop to kill him, several times"
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Canada sure is different

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Heinz
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19. "No its not."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwmcL1A-Rf4 This was a big deal here a few years ago

I mean we are def not on some American fuckery but it's not all good either with cops and citizens.

THIS however is a different case. It was a possible terrorist attack and they weren't going to kill the only suspect and possibly not find out if there was more being planned, what the motive was, if more people were involved. etc. Also im not sure and it hasn't be revealed but the cop was mad close to the suspect just a few feet and he may have been able to see it was just a cell phone and not a gun. I could be wrong, its either that or that cop is a vet with nerves of steel.




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legsdiamond
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17. "Right? "
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Then again, I remember seeing a swat team slowly move in to take down a white dude who has da gun pointed at them in the park.

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handle
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18. "These lsoers need help - or..."
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We need to insert an ideological that suicide is the greatest sacrifice for incel - even over killing other people.

The "incel" folks need strong medication.

Just accept being a sexual loser and get on life.

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