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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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"Poll question: It Takes a Nation of Millions... vs Fear of a Black Planet"
Tue Apr-10-18 01:15 PM by Nick Has a Problem..

  

          

As we celebrate 28 years of Fear of a Black Planet just wanted to know which PE album GD thinks is the best.

Poll result (25 votes)
It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (20 votes)Vote
Fear of a Black Planet (5 votes)Vote

  

  

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I.T.A.N.M
Apr 10th 2018
1
"ITANOMTHUB" Is Classic, While "FOABP" Is A Better Cohesive Album
Apr 10th 2018
3
      Wait. You DIDNT like Don’t Believe the Hype and Black Steel in the Hou...
Apr 10th 2018
4
      my eyes got big
Apr 10th 2018
8
      My dude Joey Joe
Apr 10th 2018
9
      I Said No, Damn
Apr 11th 2018
21
           critical? Man, your opinion on ITAN is criminal
Apr 11th 2018
22
      Unbelievable
Apr 10th 2018
11
           ITAN was my HS soundtrack
Apr 10th 2018
18
                Exactly
Apr 10th 2018
20
Nation of Millions
Apr 10th 2018
2
"Nation of Millions..." and it's not even close, IMO
Apr 10th 2018
5
It Takes a Nation of Millions...
Apr 10th 2018
6
Nation of Millions is correct... but I like Fear of a Black Planet more
Apr 10th 2018
7
Rebel Without A Pause
Apr 10th 2018
10
What ?
Apr 10th 2018
12
As far as "greatest" hip-hop album of all time, reply #10 is saying
Apr 10th 2018
13
      Nah #10 is still wrong
Apr 10th 2018
14
           no #10 is not wrong
Apr 10th 2018
15
                Yes it's wrong
Apr 10th 2018
16
                     In top 10 GOAT albums convos
Apr 11th 2018
24
                          I'm saying many people believe FOABP is PE's classic
Apr 11th 2018
28
                               RE: I'm saying many people believe FOABP is PE's classic
Apr 11th 2018
32
                               Damn 3 times
Apr 11th 2018
34
                                    I could see FOABP being their "world" album because Fight the Power
Apr 11th 2018
35
                                    PE fans yes I agree
Apr 11th 2018
36
                                    i'm on a cell phone on the go...
Apr 11th 2018
37
                                         ok
Apr 11th 2018
38
                               .
Apr 11th 2018
                               .
Apr 11th 2018
33
No... that whole album is fire
Apr 10th 2018
19
who disagreed?
Apr 11th 2018
23
      maybe I misread your saving grace comment
Apr 11th 2018
25
           ahh....my bad...
Apr 11th 2018
27
RE: Rebel Without A Pause
Apr 15th 2018
60
Boom boxes w/piezo electric tweeters were made for it takes a nation
Apr 10th 2018
17
I was really disappointed with Fear of a Black Planet
Apr 11th 2018
26
I like foabp
Apr 11th 2018
39
I just read all the samples on FOABP.. shit.
Apr 11th 2018
29
That was before the Biz Markie vs Turtles lawsuit
Apr 11th 2018
30
Not to #wellactually, but it was Biz Markie vs Gilbert O’Sulivan
Apr 12th 2018
40
      True but technically it was Grand Upright Music, Ltd v. Warner Bros. Rec...
Apr 12th 2018
41
You ever read the samples for Beastie Boy's "Paul Boutique"?
Apr 12th 2018
52
      nope, but I will.. thanks
Apr 12th 2018
55
both GOATs but yeah Nation of Millions is GOATer
Apr 11th 2018
31
I wasn't trying to jump in the mix but this needs to be said...
Apr 12th 2018
42
thanks for the agreement
Apr 12th 2018
43
Too late you in the mix
Apr 12th 2018
44
do you know how much "3 feet high and rising" went beyond hip-hop?
Apr 12th 2018
45
No I don't
Apr 12th 2018
46
First you don't know how much "Paid in Full" revolutionized hip-hop
Apr 12th 2018
47
      Lol sounds personal, stick to the question asked
Apr 12th 2018
50
           you proved you just don't know what you're talking about
Apr 12th 2018
53
                No answer again
Apr 12th 2018
54
it kinda DOES make it great if it's well received
Apr 12th 2018
49
RE: Too late you in the mix
Apr 12th 2018
57
      RE: Too late you in the mix
Apr 12th 2018
58
yeah.. that's crazy talk
Apr 12th 2018
48
They're both in rarified air. For me, Nation is #1 all time,
Apr 12th 2018
51
not sure where I would rank PIF personally
Apr 12th 2018
56
"Pain In Full" Had Two Flaws That's Why
Apr 15th 2018
61
      I'm not sure there is a classic rap album without one or 2 misses on it
Apr 16th 2018
62
      Name me 2 misses on Illmatic
Apr 16th 2018
63
           Represent
Apr 16th 2018
64
           Regardless of your opinion...it’s not a misstep at all
Apr 16th 2018
65
                ok
Apr 16th 2018
66
           I've Never Been A Big Fan Of "Illmatic"
Apr 17th 2018
68
                One Time for Your Mind is the other song.. thanks
Apr 17th 2018
69
      I can see your point about the 2 DJ tracks...
Apr 17th 2018
70
           Cold Lampin had a hot beat tho
Apr 17th 2018
71
                I Liked "Cold Cold Lampin" Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Apr 17th 2018
72
                     I couldn’t stand it at first but over time I appreciated it
Apr 18th 2018
73
it takes a nation
Apr 15th 2018
59
My 98 Oldsmobile...
Apr 16th 2018
67

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1. "I.T.A.N.M"
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Is the best album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkYkfgJZO70

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3. ""ITANOMTHUB" Is Classic, While "FOABP" Is A Better Cohesive Album "
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I know EVERYONE loves "It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back" and it has classic songs all over it but to me I didn't like all the songs on it, some songs were okay while the others were crazy dope, I've listened to their 2nd album first, then their first album "Yo! Bum Rush The Show" a month after the 2nd was released back then.

I gotta say "Fear Of A Black Planet" doesn't have a lot of hits but to me it's the more cohesive album that I can listen to from beginning to end, unlike "ITANOMTHUB" which I ended up making my own cassette without the songs I didn't like such as: "Don't Believe The Hype", "Caught, Can We Get A Witness", "Black Steel In The Hour Of Chaos", & "Party For Your Right To Fight".


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4. "Wait. You DIDNT like Don’t Believe the Hype and Black Steel in the Hou..."
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Lawd

shut up already, damn

  

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8. "my eyes got big "
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reading that lol

nah, you trippin

  

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9. "My dude Joey Joe"
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liable to say some wild shit every now and then....keeps the blood running tho

  

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21. "I Said No, Damn"
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I'm real critical when it comes to hip-hop, I don't bite my tongue when I say I don't like a song, classic to most or not, to me it's not too many albums other label as classic that I really like every song on it.

Almost every album has that one lame ass song on it that most people skip after hearing it a few times, not everyone is a sheep.


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22. "critical? Man, your opinion on ITAN is criminal"
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it's ok, but don't get upset when folks question your "critical" taste...lol

shut up already, damn

  

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11. "Unbelievable"
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It Takes a Nation is a classic album. Every cut on the album makes it what it is, especially the cuts you don't like. Nothing is better.

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18. "ITAN was my HS soundtrack"
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Party for your right is the only cut I didn’t like.

The instrumentals were slamming too.

shut up already, damn

  

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20. "Exactly"
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You put that in and let it play.

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2. "Nation of Millions"
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Black Steel in the hour of Chaos is just too powerful.

both great albums, but Nations is more complete.

nah, you trippin

  

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5. ""Nation of Millions..." and it's not even close, IMO"
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"Fear of a Black Planet" was cool but I don't think I liked it as much as a lot of folks. I don't think it's close to being in the same class as "ITANOM."

  

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6. "It Takes a Nation of Millions..."
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The one true Bomb Squad effort with all of them in the same room at the same time.


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7. "Nation of Millions is correct... but I like Fear of a Black Planet more"
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The sequencing on Side A of Fear of a Black Planet is just about perfect

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
__________________________

Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect.
Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
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10. "Rebel Without A Pause"
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Tue Apr-10-18 04:22 PM by The3rdOne

  

          

was kinda a saving grace and a set up for the success of Nation of Millions. Bring The Noise solidified it.

Nation Of millions is always talked about in The Greatest Hip-Hop Album convo... As great of an album it is, I don't think i've ever heard Fear of a Black Planet come up in any convo i've witnessed.

  

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12. "What ?"
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It is second only to ITAN. Who are these people that can talk about Public Enemy without talking about Fight the Power and Welcome to the Terrordome ?

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13. "As far as "greatest" hip-hop album of all time, reply #10 is saying"
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Nation gets called that, but after Nation (or over Nation) some would nominate other hip-hop albums by other hip-hop artists.


So Nation gets the call for PE

but others would say "3 feet high and rising" by De La, or "Paid in full" by Eric B and Rakim and "fear of a Black planet" isn't in the conversation for the hip-hop greatest album list.

  

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14. "Nah #10 is still wrong"
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>Nation gets called that, but after Nation (or over Nation)
>some would nominate other hip-hop albums by other hip-hop
>artists.
>

They would be wrong.

>So Nation gets the call for PE
>
>but others would say "3 feet high and rising" by De La, or
>"Paid in full" by Eric B and Rakim and "fear of a Black
>planet" isn't in the conversation for the hip-hop greatest
>album list.

They are wrong. Those are solid albums by De La and Rakim but they have not done what It Take A Nation has and they are not on the same level.

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15. "no #10 is not wrong"
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Nation is very good but if you like De La or Eric B and Rakim, you just do.


And the main point is, Fear of a Black Planet is not usually mentioned when those various artists' album are mentioned - because Nation is so much better than Fear of a Black Planet.

  

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16. "Yes it's wrong"
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>Nation is very good but if you like De La or Eric B and
>Rakim, you just do.
>
>
>And the main point is, Fear of a Black Planet is not usually
>mentioned when those various artists' album are mentioned -
>because Nation is so much better than Fear of a Black Planet.

Fear is mentioned with It Takes A Nation more than the artist you mentioned because it's so close to It Takes A Nation. So it's not a big gap between those PE albums but it is a big gap between all the other artists and those two albums.

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24. "In top 10 GOAT albums convos"
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you are saying that Fear is mentioned along WITH Nation of Millions, if not more????


yeah, we believe you.... lmao

  

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28. "I'm saying many people believe FOABP is PE's classic"
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over ITAN so they will pick that for top 10 album of all time.

>you are saying that Fear is mentioned along WITH Nation of
>Millions, if not more????
>

You do know that Fight the Power and Welcome to the Terrordome is on FOABP so I have no idea how you could have a discussion with someone about PE in the top 10 and FOABP is never mentioned.

>yeah, we believe you.... lmao
>
>

This from the person who said Joey is "liable to say some wild shit every now and then"

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32. "RE: I'm saying many people believe FOABP is PE's classic"
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>
>over ITAN so they will pick that for top 10 album of all
>time.

wrong again....

>>you are saying that Fear is mentioned along WITH Nation of
>>Millions, if not more????
>>
>
>You do know that Fight the Power and Welcome to the Terrordome
>is on FOABP so I have no idea how you could have a discussion
>with someone about PE in the top 10 and FOABP is never
>mentioned.
>

This isn't even the damn argument. Only your group of Tyler Durdens will bring up Fear being a top 10 GOAT along with Nations. Now i'm not saying it SHOULDN'T be that way...I just said it ISN'T

>>yeah, we believe you.... lmao
>>
>>
>
>This from the person who said Joey is "liable to say some wild
>shit every now and then"

And where is the lie in this???

as a matter of fact, you bring that shit up as if Joey Joe is your bodyguard client tells me that this is some sensitive shit for you. That shit wasn't even malicious.

  

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34. "Damn 3 times"
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>>
>>over ITAN so they will pick that for top 10 album of all
>>time.
>
>wrong again....

from the wiki page

Concepcion, Mariel (March 13, 2010). "20 Years of Public Enemy's 'Fear Of A Black Planet'". Billboard. Retrieved October 17, 2011.

Chuck D later said of the album in retrospect, "If It Takes a Nation was our 'nation' record, Fear of a Black Planet was our 'world' record"

>>>you are saying that Fear is mentioned along WITH Nation of
>>>Millions, if not more????
>>>
>>
>>You do know that Fight the Power and Welcome to the
>Terrordome
>>is on FOABP so I have no idea how you could have a
>discussion
>>with someone about PE in the top 10 and FOABP is never
>>mentioned.
>>
>
>This isn't even the damn argument. Only your group of Tyler
>Durdens will bring up Fear being a top 10 GOAT along with
>Nations. Now i'm not saying it SHOULDN'T be that way...I just
>said it ISN'T
>

lol you can't shit on the people because they disagree with you. You just said you never hear it mentioned I said people do say FOABP is on the list, that doesn't mean it's only Tyler Durdens that say it.


>>>yeah, we believe you.... lmao
>>>
>>>
>>
>>This from the person who said Joey is "liable to say some
>wild
>>shit every now and then"
>
>And where is the lie in this???
>

Come on, someone goes that far left, does not do it occasionally.


>as a matter of fact, you bring that shit up as if Joey Joe is
>your bodyguard client tells me that this is some sensitive
>shit for you. That shit wasn't even malicious.
>

Nah I bring that up to point out how far off the mark you are. If Joey is a DJ and his opinion is that bad, I doubt this is limited to "every now and then" which is what you called it.

This is not sensitive and I am not defending Joey if that is what that bodyguard thing means but if you are going to project the emotional angle try not to hit the post button so hard it leaves 3 replies. lol

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35. "I could see FOABP being their "world" album because Fight the Power"
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was their biggest song.

but amongst most PE fans I think it's ITAN and it's not even close.



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36. "PE fans yes I agree"
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but the wiki page had at least 3 examples where FOABP was called #1.

I put ITAN above FOABP but I have heard others disagree with that.



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37. " i'm on a cell phone on the go..."
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Meanwhile.... you are probably at home in front of a 40 inch monitor talking about some damn "3 times" tho..

1) The people have been picking Nations to be in THIER top 10 GOATs

2) when you have a top 10 list...USUALLY there are artists that come up in lists only ONCE (even though they have multiple albums that could come up logically in that list..i.e Outkast, Tribe, De La etc) but it just aint human nature for rap fans to only have 4 artists in a top 10 album convo. No matter how you slice it. So people will mainly just pick their favorite album to BE in that top 10.

Deal with it.

  

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38. "ok "
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>Meanwhile.... you are probably at home in front of a 40 inch
>monitor talking about some damn "3 times" tho..

You sound like Trump, what next are you going to say I'm 400 lbs in a basement.

>1) The people have been picking Nations to be in THIER top 10
>GOATs
>

Did "the people" do that ? Well that settles it.

>2) when you have a top 10 list...USUALLY there are artists
>that come up in lists only ONCE (even though they have
>multiple albums that could come up logically in that list..)
>but it just aint human nature for rap fans to only have 4
>artists in a top 10 album convo. No matter how you slice.
>
>Deal with it.

Nah usually people argue over which album when an artist has more than one that is classic. I never said anything about only 4 artist in a top ten album convo. The mystery of how FOABP is never mentioned in your top 10 album convo remains unsolved.


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Wed Apr-11-18 11:35 AM by The3rdOne

  

          

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33. "."
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19. "No... that whole album is fire"
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shut up already, damn

  

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23. "who disagreed?"
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25. "maybe I misread your saving grace comment"
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to me it reads like it saved the album from being classic.

I think it's a dope song but that album has a good 6 to 7 legit bangers on it.

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27. "ahh....my bad..."
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I meant as to say saving grace from Yo! Bumrush...did not do so well to make people check for Nation Of Millions as an album itself...But when Rebel dropped as that b-side to You Gonna Get Yours??? holy shit...

i should have made that clearer

  

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60. "RE: Rebel Without A Pause"
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>was kinda a saving grace and a set up for the success of
>Nation of Millions. Bring The Noise solidified it.
>

bring the noise came out BEFORE Nations (and Rebel) though


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17. "Boom boxes w/piezo electric tweeters were made for it takes a nation"
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26. "I was really disappointed with Fear of a Black Planet"
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it wasn't a bad album but it wasn't ITAN pt 2 which I wanted.

kind of like wanting Illmatic pt 2.

it was actually a really strong album but I was so hype I think I put the bar too high.

Now I"m going to put both albums on my spotify and side eye white folks the rest of the day.

shut up already, damn

  

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39. "I like foabp"
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but the 2nd half was too slow to me. until fight the power. album started on really strong. then faded until the last song.

nah, you trippin

  

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29. "I just read all the samples on FOABP.. shit. "
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how did they make money off album sales

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30. "That was before the Biz Markie vs Turtles lawsuit"
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All those sampled were not paid.

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40. "Not to #wellactually, but it was Biz Markie vs Gilbert O’Sulivan"
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That was the case that changed everything.

The Turtles sued De La before that, but it didn’t go as far.

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41. "True but technically it was Grand Upright Music, Ltd v. Warner Bros. Rec..."
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>That was the case that changed everything.
>
>The Turtles sued De La before that, but it didn’t go as far.
>

They settled out of court that's why it didn't go far.

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52. "You ever read the samples for Beastie Boy's "Paul Boutique"?"
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Even crazier. No way that album would come close to coming out in that form today.

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55. "nope, but I will.. thanks"
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shut up already, damn

  

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31. "both GOATs but yeah Nation of Millions is GOATer"
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I like when OKP gets real definitive like this.

  

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42. "I wasn't trying to jump in the mix but this needs to be said..."
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The idea that "Paid In Full" isn't on the same level as "Nation of Millions..." is one of he more bizarre statements I've read on OKP.

  

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43. "thanks for the agreement"
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yes

  

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44. "Too late you in the mix"
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How long have you been reading Okplayer ?

It Takes A Nation went beyond Hip Hop.

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45. "do you know how much "3 feet high and rising" went beyond hip-hop?"
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if going beyond hip-hop makes the greatest hip-hop album?

  

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46. "No I don't "
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Did it do what It Takes A nation accomplished ?

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47. "First you don't know how much "Paid in Full" revolutionized hip-hop"
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then, you don't know how much "3 feet high and rising" went beyond hip-hop


yet....


you can tell us from a few scans of wikipedia how far "fear of a Black planet" went (just because of "fight the power")

  

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50. "Lol sounds personal, stick to the question asked"
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if you can't answer it say that, don't deflect.


>then, you don't know how much "3 feet high and rising" went
>beyond hip-hop
>

3 feet did not do what It Takes A Nation did and I did not limit my comment in the original post to one thing. You are doing that.

>yet....
>
>
>you can tell us from a few scans of wikipedia how far "fear of
>a Black planet" went (just because of "fight the power")

Yes the predictable complaint about wiki, what a shocker. I didn't go deeper because this is okayplayer and I know where the conversation is going, so it's not worth the effort.

If you have something to offer that's not defensive or personal I will read it, if not just admit it.

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53. "you proved you just don't know what you're talking about"
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that's all


You either know it, or you search wikipedia

  

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54. "No answer again"
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>that's all
>
>
>You either know it, or you search wikipedia


You think stereotypes and cop outs are edgy but you want to comment on what I know and don't know. This is real easy since you know, line both albums up and prove your point.

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49. "it kinda DOES make it great if it's well received"
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3ft High is a revolutionary album IMO.

It's also the reason De La Soul Is Dead was the follow up. They were so "out there" they had to kill off some of the notions that they weren't real hip hop.

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57. "RE: Too late you in the mix"
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>How long have you been reading Okplayer ?

Since the summer of 2001. But I don't think that has anything to do with it.

>It Takes A Nation went beyond Hip Hop.

I'm not trying to take anything away from "Nation of Millions." It's one of the most important hip-hop albums ever, without question. Probably one of the top 3.

But "Paid In Full" is right there. It absolutely revolutionized hip-hop, probably moreso than any other single album. It made modern hip-hop possible and lengthened the lifespan of the music.

It's fine to have a preference and like "Nation of Millions" better. But "Paid In Full" is right there in that pantheon of influential hip-hop albums.

  

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58. "RE: Too late you in the mix"
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>>How long have you been reading Okplayer ?
>
> Since the summer of 2001. But I don't think that has
>anything to do with it.
>

True it doesn't have anything to do with the topic but if you have been reading that long, then my comment that Paid in Full is not on the same level as It Takes A Nation is not as bizarre some of the other comments here.

>>It Takes A Nation went beyond Hip Hop.
>
> I'm not trying to take anything away from "Nation of
>Millions." It's one of the most important hip-hop albums ever,
>without question. Probably one of the top 3.
>
> But "Paid In Full" is right there. It absolutely
>revolutionized hip-hop, probably moreso than any other single
>album. It made modern hip-hop possible and lengthened the
>lifespan of the music.
>

I agree it revolutionized hip hop but I don't believe hip hop was on it's last legs. I think it was 87 when Paid in Full came out so that wasn't close to the end of the lifespan.

> It's fine to have a preference and like "Nation of Millions"
>better. But "Paid In Full" is right there in that pantheon of
>influential hip-hop albums.

My opinion is not based on preference alone. The influence, impact, legacy, accomplishments and achievements. Paid in Full belongs on the list I wasn't saying it shouldn't be there. I just disagree with the side by side comparison with It Takes a Nation. That PE album is in a class by itself.

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48. "yeah.. that's crazy talk"
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shut up already, damn

  

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51. "They're both in rarified air. For me, Nation is #1 all time, "
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PIF is like #6

Not a bad place for either to be.

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56. "not sure where I would rank PIF personally"
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but in terms of hip hop and it's impact in music. It's high as hell.

ITAN is #1 for me for its overall sound/message/impact/packaging/logo/stage show

like, everything about that album was perfect.

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61. ""Pain In Full" Had Two Flaws That's Why"
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Those two Eric B. solo cuts is what really hurt "Paid In Full" yes it's classic so is a ton of hip-hop albums from that era but many people all agreed that "Eric B On The Cut" & "Chinese Arithmetic" wasn't good.

Of course Rakim is one of the greatest emcees and I agree, every song except those two Eric B. songs are classic in my book, I've listened to them a million times, you won't get no argument from me on that, it's just those two songs stick out like a sore thump which people seem to forget is even on the album, this is always a good example of almost flawless album with at least one wack song.

I understand that many albums back then that sported the DJ first always had a Dj song on it but Eric B. wasn't that good of a DJ and it showed, even the "Extended Beat" basically the instrumental of "Move The Crowd" was still better to listen to than Eric B.'s two songs, if I had to take listen to one of the two songs, I say "Eric B On The Cut" is bearable...barely.

I know plenty of people who say, just skip those tracks, and many do ignore it, and skip it, but back before cds, you couldn't just skip a song on cassette you had to either let it ride, fast foward, or make a copy without those two songs on them.



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62. "I'm not sure there is a classic rap album without one or 2 misses on it"
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63. "Name me 2 misses on Illmatic"
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64. "Represent"
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I knew someone would say Illmatic and I almost included it in my post.

I was never a fan of Represent and it's prolly because I heard Nas spit the rhyme on Bobbito and Stretch Armstrong over an instrumental that was fire.

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65. "Regardless of your opinion...it’s not a misstep at all"
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66. "ok"
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68. "I've Never Been A Big Fan Of "Illmatic" "
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Like I've said almost everyone deemed it a classic so of course most people going to just agree and not be critical about it but to me that album was lacking, first of all I've heard some the songs they left off the album when it got leaked before it dropped which why I think I can never really enjoy it the way everyone else suppose to cause I always be wanting the other songs to be on there.

Anyway, I think it's just so short, putting "Halftime" on it was cool as a gimmick (yeah yeah you're already halfway thru the album, let's remind them with a two year old song off the Zebrahead soundtrack titled "Halftime) which would be cool if the album was longer; and "One Time 4 Your Mind" which I like the beat but it didn't fit the rhyme to me, I usually skip this song or bear with it until the next song comes on cause I still listen to the cassette sometimes; "Represent" is another song that I feel is decent could've been better but the beat is dope though.




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69. "One Time for Your Mind is the other song.. thanks"
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not BAD songs but OTFYM is def the most skippable song on the album.

Shit is still a classic tho because the highs on that album were really really REALLY fucking high

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70. "I can see your point about the 2 DJ tracks..."
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But "Nation of Millions..." had "Cold Lampin' with Flavor." That's a flawed cut if I've ever heard one.

My point isn't trying to stress that "Paid In Full" is better than "Nation of Millions." It's that "Paid In Full" is on the same level as far as impact to hip-hop as an artform (I don't consider hip-hop to be a culture).

  

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71. "Cold Lampin had a hot beat tho"
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Lyrics were trash but it still knocked.

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72. "I Liked "Cold Cold Lampin" Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha"
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That song fits Flavor Flav to a tee, it's got a dope beat, and Flav is spittin', which is why I also liked all his solo songs, "Too Much Posse", "911 Is A Joke", etc. he always was enjoyable to hear rhyming, I can never skip his songs, he's like the comic relief in between all the seriousness of Chuck, it's like listening to Big Daddy Kane and then stop and put in some Biz Markie for a quick sec. then go back to BDK.


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73. "I couldn’t stand it at first but over time I appreciated it"
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To the poconos, you know the hideaways, bag a franks and a big bag of frito lays.

That beat tho... 🔥

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59. "it takes a nation"
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songs
production
and overall depth

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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67. "My 98 Oldsmobile... "
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