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"Can anyone explain republican/conservative thought?"


  

          

Seriously.

I can't wrap my head around it. I get the idea about small government but everything they do or say comes off as mad..."ish". Race-ish, sex-ish, etc

Everything they do seems to toe the line of "I'm not racist or sexist or 'phobic BUT I'm just sayin'..."

Even when that aspect is not present all of it comes off as not giving a shit about the next man.


I've prolly asked this shit before.

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it's the abstract concept of whiteness, distilled into hypercapitalist s...
Mar 29th 2018
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so I'm not crazy. You see it too.
Mar 29th 2018
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yeah you're not mistaken.
Mar 29th 2018
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bloody indeed.
Mar 29th 2018
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in America, it is explicitly this.
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this. i used to think it was a legitimate alternative perspective
Mar 29th 2018
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its one end of the us/vs them pendulum
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exactly. conservatism assumes people are terrible, groups of people are ...
Mar 29th 2018
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at a basic level?
Mar 29th 2018
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White male dominance but while pretending all things are equal
Mar 29th 2018
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George Lakoff does some interesting work on this
Mar 29th 2018
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Heavy on tradition and localism and individualism
Mar 29th 2018
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its a lack of Empathy, and an abundance of Selfishness
Mar 29th 2018
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Explain what you mean by this...
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RE: Explain what you mean by this...
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i always find the curb gov spending thing disingenuous
Mar 29th 2018
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it is (disingenuous), they cant detect it though.
Mar 30th 2018
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and of that 75%, i'd be VERY curious as to how much goes to
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      we'll never really know
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^
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ACTUAL conservative thought, or how Rank & flle repubs think?
Mar 29th 2018
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RE: ACTUAL conservative thought, or how Rank & flle repubs think?
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post #40.
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are you talking about Erick Erickson types, or Mark Levin types?
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I guess I'm talking about the loudest of them now. whats the diff?
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I read forums where so called true conservatives
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Where's the one dumb Republican who would post on here?
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Expertise
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      shout out to suave_bro
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      Hard disagreed.
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The general premise of being "conservative" is perplexing to me.
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RE: Can anyone explain republican/conservative thought?
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this description has never fit conservative or liberal
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      RE: this description has never fit conservative or liberal
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           that's not really true.
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                RE: that's not really true.
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                     the problem is it's not just not monolithic.
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it's the 'White Male because I said so' mentality that everyone
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Republicans are liars - there is no thought
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They "say" small government but then look at their decisions
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RE: Can anyone explain republican/conservative thought?
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no.
Mar 30th 2018
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      nah it's not just that.
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      niggers are in the military too......receiving those same dollars
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           those niggers die overseas killing other niggers
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           RE: niggers are in the military too......receiving those same dollars
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           ^^^
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           on the front lines
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      uh yes. youre ignoring at least 4 decades of the conservative movement.
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      it has exposed the lie, there's no principle underneath
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           exactly. trump completely lifted the veil.
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      it is though. a lot of them refuse to acknowledge how *their*
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      RE: no.
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      RE: no.
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Fuck everyone except for me and other well off white people.
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'democratic' thought is worse
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Not worse, but just as bad and illogical.
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...what?
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RE: ...what?
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the shit doesn't hold up to any scrutiny
Apr 02nd 2018
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lol i think she is saying thats how conservatives think.
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      I can see that as a possible meaning
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if you mean 'moderate, center-right' thought, then I agree
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get out the blanket fort. I'm not talking about Dems.
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a bunch of incredible hypocrits
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      oh nvm you really did mean that shit.
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           hey man, i don't like either one
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                you 3rd party or apolitical in general?
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                     independent thought
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                          Oh. Fake woke
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                               joe rogan podcast (c)
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                               lmao
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                               ^ This is how "the left" treats people that don't agree. Sarcasm. Ridicu...
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                               they do. it becomes thier language, and impedes discourse
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                               gotdamn that was fire
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                               ...
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Can anyone explain democrat/liberal thought?
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At its core, the belief that human behavior is highly malleable.
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mostly: try to avoid the guillotines
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descisions based off of empathy, compassion, and morality
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fucking the white man over, taking guns, giving free college to...
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couple things
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Let me axe this, do yall believe if we implemented all "left" liberal
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i don't see liberal's impeding anyone's life,liberties, or pursuits of
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lol. You know...that is exactly what a conservative would say?
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      and you know that most of them would be lying, right?
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      Yup. The whole conservative arguement is that liberals are doing that
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      i'm well aware
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this question doesn't work, because that split doesn't exist.
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You don't need it to exist to consider it hypothetically.
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      do you have an example, historical or current of a failed far left socie...
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      I don't think it's possible for one to exist...
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      if that's the case then this premise is false
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      who looks at the defined "left" and thinks it represents a unified side?
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      you have to pretend that allllllllll of the left says "no capitalism"
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           like how yall think that allllllllll of the right is racist?
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                if you need to accuse me of something, you shouldn't make it up.
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      i thought this was a decent question that I'm willing to hear spelled ou...
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           You have to define the terms better...
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           LOL
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           Oh...it's me...*I* gotta define these terms this whole ass post is...nvm...
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                Well I need to know what you call liberal to answer you question.
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                     sounds like you do understand that there's still an opposition
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                          What in the world are you getting at? Yes, I know nothing is monolithic
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                               who's hostile? we both agree that your statement about needing
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                                    https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg
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                                         see, nothing left to say because it's all good vibes bro
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           It is a good question. I got distracted. Look at Venezuela.
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                Thanks...I appreciate it....your stance was based moreso on policies
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                two progressive-ish policies does not "all liberal government" make
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                     Dude ask for examples. I gave him two. He got it.
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                          the examples you gave don't work.
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                               They worked. We discussed and moved on. Who gets mad
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      this is all horseshit.
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           Dude it's not that hard
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                nope nope nope nope
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                     "all left/liberal policies" versus "radical left"?
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                          you said "super radical progressive wish list"
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                               For Half a second I thought you were capable of more than
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                                    dude doing the most
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It would be a disaster
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yes, because there's no opposition within the "left"
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      https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg
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           exactly, you have no thoughts.
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be specific. liberals implemented obamacare, leftists wanted single pay...
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They take a dim view of human nature. Therefore, they generally
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http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/381195-colorado-gop-group-apolog...
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Lib: everybody should have an opportunity to earn a comfortable life
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Succinct AF.
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Every1s mistake here is thinking there's 1 or 2 simple explanations
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Dr Claw
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1. "it's the abstract concept of whiteness, distilled into hypercapitalist s..."
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that are either amoral or immoral.

a pile of elephant dung shaped into a giant Poop Emoji.

  

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3. "so I'm not crazy. You see it too. "
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Because this is how their whole platform comes off.

protect the bloody heirloom.

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5. "yeah you're not mistaken."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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6. "bloody indeed."
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32. "in America, it is explicitly this."
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I mean, "conservative" politics in most Western societies resemble, but owing to the USA's history as Slavery Depot it's even more magnified with the identity politics.

economically, they are HYPER capitalist, neoliberal, pro-oligopoly, pro-tax cuts to the rich and multi-national corporations (this actually doesn't differ from the Democratic Party's powerbrokers)

otherwise, they operate heavily on white identity politics, religious identity politics, and other social "wedge issues" to gain support. aside of using it as a sales pitch, little of it affects the average "conservative" platform.


textbook conservatism doesn't include all of these platforms, but I don't think the "conservative" party in America has ever followed that.

The Democratic Party is actually closer to the textbook definition of "conservatism" but is considering "left wing" because of how ridiculously reactionary the GOP is.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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15. "this. i used to think it was a legitimate alternative perspective"
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until the Tea Party and the Trumpocalypse

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2. "its one end of the us/vs them pendulum"
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take whatever you think liberal/democrat stands for

and they are bizarro that

even when its against their own self interest (same said for the folks on the other half of the teeter totter)

*shrug*

  

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17. "exactly. conservatism assumes people are terrible, groups of people are ..."
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even worse and the best we can do is either 1) accept it and not feel bad about screwing people over or 2) rely on authoritarianism in the form of a god or police state to keep us in check.

(#2 is why, in addition to the entitlement that comes with privilege, they're so afraid of things like socialism, civil rights legislation, the entire career track of the executive branch, government scientists, pbs etc.etc. and somehow *love* it when all that power is attached to private money)

unfortunately, as a political/economic perspective, it's self-fulfilling.

  

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4. "at a basic level?"
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if anything suggests that a system putting rich white men at the top could have a flaw, then that thing is bad because (big government/celebrity/snotty intellectual/immoral/actually the thing that's racist and sexist).

so you slot in a reason to justify the initial goal.


because if the original governing status of rich, land-owning white men is challenged, then that is the end of the America they believe in. That is the same as death.



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7. "White male dominance but while pretending all things are equal"
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others should know their place, but while pretending all things are equal

  

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8. "George Lakoff does some interesting work on this"
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https://georgelakoff.com/2016/07/23/understanding-trump-2/

"In the 1900’s, as part of my research in the cognitive and brain sciences, I undertook to answer a question in my field: How do the various policy positions of conservatives and progressives hang together? Take conservatism: What does being against abortion have to do with being for owning guns? What does owning guns have to do with denying the reality of global warming? How does being anti-government fit with wanting a stronger military? How can you be pro-life and for the death penalty? Progressives have the opposite views. How do their views hang together?

The answer came from a realization that we tend to understand the nation metaphorically in family terms: We have founding fathers. We send our sons and daughters to war. We have homeland security. The conservative and progressive worldviews dividing our country can most readily be understood in terms of moral worldviews that are encapsulated in two very different common forms of family life: The Nurturant Parent family (progressive) and the Strict Father family (conservative).

What do social issues and the politics have to do with the family? We are first governed in our families, and so we grow up understanding governing institutions in terms of the governing systems of families.

In the strict father family, father knows best. He knows right from wrong and has the ultimate authority to make sure his children and his spouse do what he says, which is taken to be what is right. Many conservative spouses accept this worldview, uphold the father’s authority, and are strict in those realms of family life that they are in charge of. When his children disobey, it is his moral duty to punish them painfully enough so that, to avoid punishment, they will obey him (do what is right) and not just do what feels good. Through physical discipline they are supposed to become disciplined, internally strong, and able to prosper in the external world. What if they don’t prosper? That means they are not disciplined, and therefore cannot be moral, and so deserve their poverty. This reasoning shows up in conservative politics in which the poor are seen as lazy and undeserving, and the rich as deserving their wealth. Responsibility is thus taken to be personal responsibility not social responsibility. What you become is only up to you; society has nothing to do with it. You are responsible for yourself, not for others — who are responsible for themselves."

  

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9. "Heavy on tradition and localism and individualism"
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Getting away from the -ist train going on here, that's what I think the fundamental tenants of conservatism are.

I'm talking about conservationism as an ideology, not conservatives in practice.

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10. "its a lack of Empathy, and an abundance of Selfishness"
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im fascinated with the conservative mind, i try to pick their brain when i get the chance

it can be difficult because they’re so used to people challenging them that they wont really open up to you unless they think you’re on their side, or at least on the fence

one of the main things that drives them is they truely believe that if we curb government spending our taxes go down.

like straight up, if we stopped welfare today uncle sam will say “hey, common man, we saved a shit ton of money cancelling welfare so you can just keep your money this year”

when we all know damn well that any money saved is going in the politicians pocket

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12. "Explain what you mean by this..."
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Are you talking about straight up theft/corruption?
If there were limited govt spending what would the excess tax revenues be diverted to?

A budget surplus was the major rationale for the Bush tax cuts.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-surplus-justifies-tax-cut/


>one of the main things that drives them is they truely believe
>that if we curb government spending our taxes go down.
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>like straight up, if we stopped welfare today uncle sam will
>say “hey, common man, we saved a shit ton of money
>cancelling welfare so you can just keep your money this
>year”
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>when we all know damn well that any money saved is going in
>the politicians pocket
>

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13. "RE: Explain what you mean by this..."
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divert it to whatever agency needs it, syphon what they can for themselves and buddies, give us a few crumbs to keep us happy

they will NEVER cut off welfare
but they sell that dream to conservatives all day long

  

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16. "i always find the curb gov spending thing disingenuous"
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cuz it seems to never be about cutting military spending, which is where about 75% of the money is spent

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23. "it is (disingenuous), they cant detect it though."
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they really do believe everything conservative politicians say

it makes it equally confusing to them why we arent conservatives too

  

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27. "and of that 75%, i'd be VERY curious as to how much goes to"
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35. "we'll never really know"
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18. "^"
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11. "ACTUAL conservative thought, or how Rank & flle repubs think?"
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two different things

  

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60. "RE: ACTUAL conservative thought, or how Rank & flle repubs think?"
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this reply has unfortunately fallen on deaf ears. Most conservatives I know despise the GOP and/or its leadership.

There is a lot of inaccurate interchangeable use of "conservatives" and "republicans" in this thread. They are very, very far from the same thing.
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78. "post #40."
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the conservatives you are speaking of are not reflective of the conservative movement/base in this country.

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80. "are you talking about Erick Erickson types, or Mark Levin types?"
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Because the Mark Levin types tend to be the MOST full of shit ones. The so-called true conservatives who constantly whine about McConnell and Ryan, but will only kid glove Trump even though Trump is much further from a conservative, than those guys, but they're too scared of the Trump cultists to go hard.

  

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61. "I guess I'm talking about the loudest of them now. whats the diff?"
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pardon my ignorance

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14. "I read forums where so called true conservatives "
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no longer support the 45 due to this spending bill

most of them are on some cut taxes AND reduce spending

Now the fake conservative, they just want welfare cuts, no entitlements and all minorities to suffer while they selfishly live white life to the fullest

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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19. "Where's the one dumb Republican who would post on here? "
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24. "Expertise"
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Dude wasn't as annoying the alt right tho

He was just that black dude Key and Peele depicted on their black conservative skit.

Dude was funny to me. He would go HARD defending GWB and the like but let someone post some titties dude be HEAVY in that post too.

Pretty cool dude.

  

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28. "shout out to suave_bro"
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his Canadian equivalent I believe is Shaun The Don. I wonder if dude is down with Doug Ford

  

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30. "Hard disagreed. "
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Bush destroyed a country.

  

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20. "The general premise of being "conservative" is perplexing to me."
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These people fight *hard* against society moving forward. That's their general mindstate and position in life.

Blows my mind.

Like folks already touched on, it's about selfishness and upholding an ideal of white male supremacy that's nonsensical and immoral.

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21. "RE: Can anyone explain republican/conservative thought?"
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Look above to the lakoff convo...

Its simply isolationist- strict father morality...

For the group it is a necessary balance... we need people who solely worry about the group vs people who are welcome to everything and everyone..

A group of only empathetic people open to everyone would die by disease and/or war/takeover and a group of only isolationists would be unequipped when invaders came.

New problem is all rhe successful mixed messaging on the right.. THANKS FRANK LUnTZ!! The messaging and new postitions dont serve the people themselves but the establishment.. whichnis onvious but ya know

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22. "this description has never fit conservative or liberal"
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the idea that the "left" is in any way particularly empathetic or, more hilariously, completely empathetic, is the lie sold by people who claim to be the right.

they need a reason for buying guns and killing poors.

so when convenient, that's the reason they use.

then some other people say "well if we let all the poors die then sooner or later it will be guillotine time so what if we didn't kill *all* of the poors"



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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25. "RE: this description has never fit conservative or liberal"
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>the idea that the "left" is in any way particularly
>empathetic or, more hilariously, completely empathetic, is the
>lie sold by people who claim to be the right.
>

No one is completely empathetic because we are selfish ass humans. If you are progressive on an issue then you are likely more open to thoughts, ideas and concerns of others.

BUT

You could also be completely conservative on other issues.

>they need a reason for buying guns and killing poors.
>
>so when convenient, that's the reason they use.
>
>then some other people say "well if we let all the poors die
>then sooner or later it will be guillotine time so what if we
>didn't kill *all* of the poors"
>

I dont know what all this other shit is..
>
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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33. "that's not really true."
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I can be 100% selfish and still have a "progressive" view on issues because that's not what it means.

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34. "RE: that's not really true."
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Yes you can...

Non of this is monolithic...

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36. "the problem is it's not just not monolithic."
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the idea described applies to zero people.


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26. "it's the 'White Male because I said so' mentality that everyone"
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buys into
everyone not meaning literally every person but those 'traditional ideals' that many buy into regardless of race/gender/etc.


but yeah...it's basically whatever ideals some old white dudes come up with

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29. "Republicans are liars - there is no thought"
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>I can't wrap my head around it. I get the idea about small
>government
They do not believe in small government - if they did they would make it smaller when they are in office. The want it BIG and doing ONLY WHAT THEY WANT IT TO DO.


> but everything they do or say comes off as
>mad..."ish". Race-ish, sex-ish, etc

Because it is. They are racists, homophobic, intolerant, and racists EXCEPT when it personally affects them (in most cases.)

Example: Dick Cheny's fine with lesbians. Why? His daughter is a lesbian.

Now, to be fair Representative Steve Scalise (R-LA) was shot and still is a gun humper.

>Everything they do seems to toe the line of "I'm not racist or
>sexist or 'phobic BUT I'm just sayin'..."

It's excuse they are - but they are liars.

>Even when that aspect is not present all of it comes off as
>not giving a shit about the next man.

They DO NOT give a shit about the next man unless it affects them. They do not believe government should help anyone unless it's personally helping them.


>I've prolly asked this shit before.

All they have to do is change every aspect about themselves - the first step is admitting they have a problem.

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31. "They "say" small government but then look at their decisions"
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37. "RE: Can anyone explain republican/conservative thought?"
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White nationalism

  

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38. "no."
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the majority of conservatives just want to keep every dime of their money

its really not that deep as we like to think it is

  

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39. "nah it's not just that."
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they'll give up their money if they know it's not going to niggers.

that's why the military budget can go up.


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43. "niggers are in the military too......receiving those same dollars"
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they look at welfare and social programs as handouts
race only plays a factor because conservative politicians, news, and journalists push the agenda that its mostly blacks

you say conservatives dont mind giving money to the defense budget
well, i work with a slew of conservative federal workers that would gladly give up their federal jobs to cut the defense budget

not saying you’re wrong
but seeing what ive seen i cant agree

  

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45. "those niggers die overseas killing other niggers"
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shit ain't a mistake


>well, i work with a slew of conservative federal workers that would gladly give up their federal jobs to cut the defense budget



holla at me when the first one quits.

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49. "RE: niggers are in the military too......receiving those same dollars"
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Conservatives like talking war and build up the military budget because it keeps their heavy conservative donors like defense contractors McDonnell Douglass relevant and rich. They could care less about the niggers in the military. None of them are getting rich off that money anyway. Its about keeping the military complex relevant and paid. Plus the hierarchy at the top of the military chain of command is still 99% white and that wont change anytime soon.

  

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50. "^^^"
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i don't get how this is hard to understand

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52. "on the front lines"
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you talking like we are getting those huge federal contracts

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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40. "uh yes. youre ignoring at least 4 decades of the conservative movement."
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going back to reagan, william buckley, john birch society, etc.

you might be talking about the fiscal/economic base of the party...but the much larger popular base of the party (aka the ones that overwhelmingly chose trump over life-long 'true' conservatives) was built on white nationalism (aka racism). thats why they identify with trump as one of their own more than career conservatives like flake, mccain, etc.

in fact...thats how party leaders get the base to vote (sometimes against their own interests). couch it in racial animus as a means to the end. 'welfare queens' to gut the social safety net. 'states rights' to gut civil rights. 'christianity/morality' to criminalize minorities. 'labor market' to demonize immigrants. and so on and so on.

this is why democrats/dixiecrats in the south found a home in the modern republican party despite the republican party being against everything they stood for outside of racism (anti-union, anti-regulation, etc).

this is why trump and the republican party can completely shapeshift and abandon supposedly conservative principles from previous recent iterations of the party but still keep the base intact. because the racism stays intact.

  

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41. "it has exposed the lie, there's no principle underneath"
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economic or otherwise
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44. "exactly. trump completely lifted the veil."
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thats why its funny when 'principled' conservatives talk about trumpism like some invasion of the republican party. nigga thats been the native ethos of the party.
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42. "it is though. a lot of them refuse to acknowledge how *their*"
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money, *their* property, *their* rights came to be theirs.

that's white nationalism.

  

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46. "RE: no."
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Ok. They've been a neoconfederate party since at least 2001. Right now cambridge analytica, breitbart and Fox are turning the party into a neonazi death machine.

  

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48. "RE: no."
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Conservative is a euphemism for white nationalism. Either you are in the loop or you are out of it.

  

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47. "Fuck everyone except for me and other well off white people. "
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And the stupid poor republicans pretty much think fuck people that aren't white, not realizing they are fucking themselves also because they are stupid.

  

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51. "'democratic' thought is worse"
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53. "Not worse, but just as bad and illogical."
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54. "...what?"
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y'all joe rogan podcast listening-ass motherfuckers kill me man.

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55. "RE: ...what?"
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Ha ha

This "both" sides arguement is incredibly stupid....

And this tangential "oh we are just trollin pc culture" sargon style white nationalism might be more dangerous than straight up racists.

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57. "the shit doesn't hold up to any scrutiny"
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but they parrot it back and forth to each other all day and decide they're political experts.


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56. "lol i think she is saying thats how conservatives think."
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anything is better than a damn libruhl.

  

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59. "I can see that as a possible meaning"
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58. "if you mean 'moderate, center-right' thought, then I agree"
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but it's important to know that the Democrats, unlike the GOP, do have a sliver of those who don't drink the dominant political calculus Kool-Aid.

  

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62. "get out the blanket fort. I'm not talking about Dems. "
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63. "a bunch of incredible hypocrits"
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70. "oh nvm you really did mean that shit."
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71. "hey man, i don't like either one"
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72. "you 3rd party or apolitical in general?"
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73. "independent thought"
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82. "Oh. Fake woke"
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Gotcha
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83. "joe rogan podcast (c)"
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84. "lmao"
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91. "^ This is how "the left" treats people that don't agree. Sarcasm. Ridicu..."
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...Insults. Not being willing to entertain other ideas. Emotional reasoning vs. logic.


It's deplorable behaviour. People that think and make decisions for themselves (vs. group consensus) don't put up with that shit.




Both sides are trash.

The wolf vs. the fox, like Malcolm said:

‘The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ "The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”

  

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92. "they do. it becomes thier language, and impedes discourse"
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111. "gotdamn that was fire"
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97. "..."
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64. "Can anyone explain democrat/liberal thought?"
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I curious to see the contrast in responses

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69. "At its core, the belief that human behavior is highly malleable."
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The human history and civilization inevitably progresses and gets better. And that any problems humans face can be corrected with collective teamwork, whether forced, coerced, suggested or incentive. The base of all this is the idea that people are inherently good and will do the right thing when they need or have to.

  

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74. "mostly: try to avoid the guillotines"
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76. "descisions based off of empathy, compassion, and morality"
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81. "fucking the white man over, taking guns, giving free college to..."
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the blacks, caring more about immigrants than white people, pushing the agenda, turning your kids gay, making women men and men women, soccer, hummus, hyrbid cars

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109. "couple things"
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1. know your audience
2. i tried to define both up above

  

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65. "Let me axe this, do yall believe if we implemented all "left" liberal"
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policies, the US would be in great shape?


I think one of the things that we have learned in the last few years is that the current people who describe themselves as conservatives/republicans aren't at all guided by consistent conservative principles. They are just greedy racists, terrible people who are playing a team sport and win for their own benefit.



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66. "i don't see liberal's impeding anyone's life,liberties, or pursuits of"
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happiness

by it's definition

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68. "lol. You know...that is exactly what a conservative would say?"
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They would say that liberals pushing for more government involvement is an intrusion on their liberty.
That all conservatives want is to be left alone.

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77. "and you know that most of them would be lying, right?"
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79. "Yup. The whole conservative arguement is that liberals are doing that"
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Nanny state telling me what size drink I'm allowed to have
Telling me what words I'm no longer allowed to say (I can't even say Merry Christmas anymore!)
Trying to take my guns away so I can't protect my family
Michelle Obama trying to force my kid to eat an apple
Making me buy Obummercare so they can death panel my grandma
Taking MY hard earned money and giving it to illegal aleiens and welfare queens
Something something George Soros

  

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85. "i'm well aware"
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75. "this question doesn't work, because that split doesn't exist."
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86. "You don't need it to exist to consider it hypothetically. "
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We all agree that if we went with completely right wing conservative policies the country would be fcuked (even though that doesn't exist).

I think the same would be true if we went with completely left wing liberal policies.

You can also look to history and around the world to see that when one party/idealology completely takes controls, bad shit happens as well.


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87. "do you have an example, historical or current of a failed far left socie..."
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89. "I don't think it's possible for one to exist..."
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to even find out if it's possible or not

how do you build a society if it's liberal from the start? There is no capitalism

maybe one of those islands in the middle of nowhere that barters and does just enough to eat and feed themselves?



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90. "if that's the case then this premise is false"
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>>You can also look to history and around the world to see that when one party/idealology completely takes controls, bad shit happens as well.


and putting up another fake barrier

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94. "who looks at the defined "left" and thinks it represents a unified side?"
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nobody does, which is why they can only bring up the question theoretically.


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95. "you have to pretend that allllllllll of the left says "no capitalism""
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which isn't in any way true.



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96. "like how yall think that allllllllll of the right is racist?"
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right?

oh.

  

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102. "if you need to accuse me of something, you shouldn't make it up."
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it should be a thing I've done and or said.

pretending that I've said "all of the right is racist" when I've clearly said I have no believe in a left/right split at all

is just you talking to yourself.

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105. "i thought this was a decent question that I'm willing to hear spelled ou..."
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with an example instead of anecdotes

like we see(n) and lived with and thru all of this conservativism...

but what liberal society was 'unsuccessful'

the very creation of this goofy ass country is based upon liberal ideals over conservative one's...



but hey...gay folks wanna get married and be called something else other than derogatory names and women want the right to have abortions which doesn't affect anyone else and since prayer has been removed from schools then I guess conservatives have to play superhero and save the world or rewind to the good ole days huh

lol

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106. "You have to define the terms better..."
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"Far left" and "conservative" mean very different things to different people.

I mean you are currently calling the US conservative when we currently have a substantive welfare state and relatively liberal social policies when compared to the rest of the world.
I wouldn't call the US conservative at the moment. There are some conservative policies but as a whole, no.

What does a "far left" or liberal society look like in your eyes? Does it have wealth distribution policies (confiscation of private property)? A powerful state government?
Do the western European and Nordic countries count as liberal in your view?

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107. "LOL"
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110. "Oh...it's me...*I* gotta define these terms this whole ass post is...nvm..."
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lemme take my semi-HBCU educated ass on to this rg3 news

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112. "Well I need to know what you call liberal to answer you question."
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It's pretty clear that if you ask 100 random people what does liberal mean, you will get about 100 completely different answers.

Your question asked for examples of failed far left societies. What are the characteristics of far left in your mind? Is Norway far left? The USSR?
I earnestly want to try to answer your question, but I can't right now.

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116. "sounds like you do understand that there's still an opposition"
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even if the right somehow disappeared
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118. "What in the world are you getting at? Yes, I know nothing is monolithic"
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There are divisions/disagreements among liberals just like are divisions among conservatives.
What does this have to do with anything?

I just realized you brought this up in another part of this post lol. That's why most of my responses to you are just a bewildered gif.
You just come in all hostile for no reason, making little to no sense.

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119. "who's hostile? we both agree that your statement about needing "
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an opposition party was complete bullshit and makes no sense at all.

that should increase the positivity and good vibes between us.

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126. "https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg"
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https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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127. "see, nothing left to say because it's all good vibes bro"
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113. "It is a good question. I got distracted. Look at Venezuela."
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No doubt Chavez was a well intended progressive leader who intended to redistribute wealth and improve the lives of the poor people in his country.

But his leftist policies of nationalizing the private oil industry to pay for programs to alleviate poverty had disasterous long term
consequences for his country.

Shit you can come closer to home and look more local and look at a progressive city like Santa Monica, CA I use to live in. I remember it was cool for it's super progressive policies of having rent control and super generous programs for the homeless but unintended consequences of those programs is that a.) because of the rent control it caused distortion in the housing market and a reluctance for new builders to build so there was a housing shortage and b.) because of the generous homeless programs that town was a homeless mecca and it sucked for everyone else to have to deal with aggressive homeless folks everywhere.

Or even look at government loans for students to pay for college. Seem like a great policy but it has had the unintended consequences of being part of the reason for tuition inflation.

Now of course I am making short shrift of complex topics that we could spend whole post on each one, but my basic point is that, if we totally only went with left policies, it wouldn't be all gravy.



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114. "Thanks...I appreciate it....your stance was based moreso on policies "
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117. "two progressive-ish policies does not "all liberal government" make"
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124. "Dude ask for examples. I gave him two. He got it. "
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That you can't keep up is your own issue.




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125. "the examples you gave don't work."
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you can't evaluate their effectiveness when they're ensconced in so many other policies that directly rebut the concept.


but that's not what you want to talk about, I get it.

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128. "They worked. We discussed and moved on. Who gets mad"
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at a discussion other people are having that they can't keep up with? LOL.

Stay Golden PonyBoy.


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93. "this is all horseshit."
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you can't even accurately define what "all left wing policies" would be.



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98. "Dude it's not that hard "
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Just put together a super radical progressive wish list of policies.

1. Redistribution of wealth from rich to poor. Could be as simple as super high taxes on the wealthy to literally the government taking private companies and property.

2. Lavish spending on entitlements.

3. Dramatic cuts to military spending.

4. Dramatically becoming softer on crime from dramatically cutting jail time to decreased spending on law enforcement. Making cops personally liable for civil damages and more easily held criminally liable for hurting and killing people.

5. Open Boarders immigration policy.

6. Much greater regulation on business from everything from climate change to consumer protection.


Just to name a few (in super simplified terms). Now my question is, if we aggressively pursued any and all of these policies unchecked, do you think we would dramatically make this country a better place?

As much as I support the idea of a lot of these policies, I know that any of them could be taken to extremes that would have negative consequences and should be tempered and moderated by the conservative counterarguments to those positions.





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100. "nope nope nope nope"
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you said "left"

you can't then say "oh, what I mean is only super radical far left that isn't even a majority of significant minority of the "left"



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108. ""all left/liberal policies" versus "radical left"?"
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Not sure why there is a big distinction in your mind between all left policies versus radical left. I think you can define the policies I listed either way.

But pick the term that works for you and try to answer the question if you can (or have an interest in having this discussion).

If you can't that cool, but it's crazy to argue it's impossible to have this discussion (which is an age old Poli 101 class discussion).




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115. "you said "super radical progressive wish list""
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there's absolutely no reason to assume that this is the reality of a government by the "left"


none.

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121. "For Half a second I thought you were capable of more than "
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a sentence or two of snark. That's my bad.

If your not capable of this discussion, that's okay but let the other people capable of this discussion continue please.



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129. "dude doing the most"
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and is actually showing you why the left/liberal mindset has problems.



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99. "It would be a disaster"
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Opposition parties are a necessity.

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101. "yes, because there's no opposition within the "left""
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no one on your independent thinking podcasts ever teaches you anything useful my god

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103. "https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg"
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https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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104. "exactly, you have no thoughts."
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120. "be specific. liberals implemented obamacare, leftists wanted single pay..."
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liberals implemented the hope VI program, leftists wanted to expand public housing
liberals implemented welfare reforms, leftists wanted universal basic income
liberals want a light touch on wall street, leftists think it's legalized gambling
liberals love automation, AI, and silicon valley, leftists think it's lead to massive warrantless surveillance and are basically rejecting the tech revolution like they did the industrial revolution and are seeking a return to the arts and crafts movement

where the fuck is K_orr

  

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67. "They take a dim view of human nature. Therefore, they generally "
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believe there's not a ton that can be done to uplift people who find themselves on the bottom. As a result, they don't want to be over-burdened with providing help or aid to the less-fortunate or oppressed.

They also all have great trust and belief in their own abilities to make a way for themselves in the world.

  

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88. "http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/381195-colorado-gop-group-apolog..."
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http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/381195-colorado-gop-group-apologizes-for-post-saying-republicans-hate-poor

  

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122. "Lib: everybody should have an opportunity to earn a comfortable life"
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Conservative: everybody has an opportunity to earn a comfortable life
Left: everybody should have a comfortable life

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123. "Succinct AF."
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130. "Every1s mistake here is thinking there's 1 or 2 simple explanations"
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I know plenty of conservatives, and the reasons for their conservatism are varied from person to person, and often complicated.

Same for the left.

  

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