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legsdiamond
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"Elizabeth Warren refuses DNA test to prove her Native Americaness"


          

I like Warren but the Pocahontas shit is hilarious.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-dna-test/index.html

"Let me tell you the story of my family. ... My daddy first saw my mother when they were both teenagers. He fell in love with this tall, quiet girl who played the piano. Head over heels. But his family was bitterly opposed to their relationship because she was part Native American," Warren, D-Massachusetts, told "Meet the Press." Her parents, she said, eventually eloped.”

These days with so many people using Ancestry and places like that, it’s a little funny to hear she won’t privide scientific evidence.

Folks tell all types of stories that embellish the truth when talking about family.

I know it’s just a distraction from more important things but this is politics and this type of story always “trumps” the real issues.


shut up already, damn

  

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Feasible.
Mar 14th 2018
1
The racial slur shit from the highest office is funny?
Mar 14th 2018
2
It’s not a slur...
Mar 14th 2018
11
      That is factually untrue.
Mar 14th 2018
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      If he called Maxine Waters Harriet Tubman you would you laugh?
Mar 15th 2018
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           false equivalency
Mar 15th 2018
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                fair...
Mar 16th 2018
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I dont see how its funny
Mar 14th 2018
3
Not at all.
Mar 14th 2018
5
Nah that is not funny
Mar 14th 2018
4
Yeah, it's as funny as the first black president having to show his pape...
Mar 14th 2018
6
Exactly
Mar 14th 2018
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      LOL @ the very idea that the care about complexity or nuance.
Mar 14th 2018
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           i wasn't trying to say that i think that they do
Mar 14th 2018
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Lmao. Calling 'Pocahontas' a slur is an injustice to actual slurs, btw
Mar 14th 2018
7
It's no different than using Jose, Jim, or Jerome as a slur, don't be ob...
Mar 14th 2018
8
      Those aren't slurs, either.
Mar 14th 2018
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      "That's like your opinion man"
Mar 14th 2018
12
      That's the definition for a general slur.
Mar 14th 2018
17
           Now your conflating "to slur" (verb) with a slur (noun)
Mar 14th 2018
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           No I'm not. I'm comparing a general slur to a racial slur.
Mar 14th 2018
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                Archaic like 2018? What a clown you must be.
Mar 14th 2018
31
                     RE: Archaic like 2018? What a clown you must be.
Mar 14th 2018
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                          How's the gumbo?
Mar 14th 2018
34
           Dawg, so when folks call any random muslim Haabib, that ain't a
Mar 14th 2018
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                "I find THIS instance of racism funny"
Mar 14th 2018
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                My man made distinctions between "General Slurs" and "Specific
Mar 14th 2018
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                     Nah - 'slur' and 'racial slur'
Mar 14th 2018
38
                If that person was white and claimed to be part Afghani or Iranian
Mar 14th 2018
39
                     Wait, what's "part Muslim" now?
Mar 14th 2018
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                          Good catch, I meant to say part Syrian or Afgani
Mar 14th 2018
45
                               Yeah, still shitty
Mar 14th 2018
60
      hair splitting?
Mar 14th 2018
15
      It's literally the definition of a slur, there's no need to cede to opin...
Mar 14th 2018
16
      see my reply above
Mar 14th 2018
19
           you said its a slur to slurs
Mar 14th 2018
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                reply 17. Sorry I wasn't specific.
Mar 14th 2018
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                     fascinating
Mar 14th 2018
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                          RE: fascinating
Mar 14th 2018
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                               last question
Mar 14th 2018
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                                    RE: last question
Mar 14th 2018
44
                                         ok thanks
Mar 14th 2018
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                                         RE: ok thanks
Mar 14th 2018
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                                         Becky is a good example
Mar 14th 2018
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      ol "TECHNICALLY *raises finger*" asses
Mar 14th 2018
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           really? Man...I think it's a big difference
Mar 14th 2018
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                he wouldnt have called her Pocahontas if he didn't meant to insult her i...
Mar 14th 2018
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      Calling Rachel Dolezal Shequita wouldn’t be a slur IMO
Mar 14th 2018
10
           Calling Rachel True "Shaquita" would be so .....
Mar 14th 2018
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           So if someone built on the joke and said, Hey Rachel you get
Mar 14th 2018
50
                Once you build on ANY joke it can go in any direction
Mar 14th 2018
59
                     So you agree THAT joke would be racist then?
Mar 14th 2018
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                          Because it’s a different joke
Mar 14th 2018
83
It me, a lefty dude who thinks Trump's "Pocahontas" shit is hilarious
Mar 14th 2018
18
equally hilarious is folk caping for a rich, white politician.
Mar 14th 2018
21
      Oh fuck that noise. Ain't nobody caping for her. It's all about being ag...
Mar 14th 2018
25
      So "Pocahontas" is about taking the rich and powerful down a peg?
Mar 14th 2018
27
      RE: So "Pocahontas" is about taking the rich and powerful down a peg?
Mar 14th 2018
35
           If her money and power is what alienates you so much
Mar 14th 2018
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           RE: If her money and power is what alienates you so much
Mar 14th 2018
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                I mean, "you can't slur an individual" isn't a good argument
Mar 14th 2018
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                     RE: I mean, "you can't slur an individual" isn't a good argument
Mar 14th 2018
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                          I called him Shylock, not A Shylock
Mar 14th 2018
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                               I didn't think he could get worse, but he just keeps getting worse
Mar 14th 2018
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           You are so bad at this
Mar 14th 2018
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                RE: You are so bad at this
Mar 14th 2018
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                     Luckily, dishonest pedantry is having a moment in the real world
Mar 14th 2018
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                          RE: Luckily, dishonest pedantry is having a moment in the real world
Mar 14th 2018
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                               There's like a dozen people here who've pointed out...
Mar 14th 2018
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      so you disagree with the idea that...
Mar 14th 2018
30
           Or they could just go with if Native Americans consider it a slur
Mar 14th 2018
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           thats a bridge too far player
Mar 14th 2018
51
           Niggas always overplay their hand in GD
Mar 14th 2018
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           somehow its wile-out wednesday apparently
Mar 14th 2018
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           Ok Tyrone.
Mar 14th 2018
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                i laughed*
Mar 14th 2018
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                So Badu was using a slur?
Mar 14th 2018
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                     psst...the guys actual name was tyrone
Mar 14th 2018
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                          lol
Mar 14th 2018
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                          LMAO, No it wasnt
Mar 14th 2018
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                               yes it was
Mar 14th 2018
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                                    Tyrone isnt a real person bruh
Mar 14th 2018
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                                    IN THE SONG mayne he is very much real
Mar 14th 2018
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                                    Right? Tyrone's the standup dude that'll help you move your shit
Mar 14th 2018
125
           Wait...maybe I misunderstood the quote Buddy used.
Mar 14th 2018
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                thats stereotyping and therefore bad
Mar 14th 2018
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                     It was tongue in cheek but how's it different from calling out
Mar 14th 2018
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                          the goalposts just slid
Mar 14th 2018
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                               Wtf is Buddy talking about?
Mar 14th 2018
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                               Not sure I follow. How am I moving the goal post?
Mar 14th 2018
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                                    He’s talking about you slurring Black straight males
Mar 14th 2018
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                                    you started with straight, black men....
Mar 15th 2018
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           RE: .. if Native Americans consider it a slur
Mar 14th 2018
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           RE: so you disagree with the idea that...
Mar 14th 2018
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                RE: so you disagree with the idea that...
Mar 14th 2018
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                     RE: so you disagree with the idea that...
Mar 14th 2018
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                          this is not the sole definition of what constitutes a racial slur
Mar 14th 2018
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                               He dumb.
Mar 14th 2018
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One time I heard a white girl tell a Black dude she was 5% Black
Mar 14th 2018
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but bruh
Mar 14th 2018
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      Ever since this popped up and I read this Atlantic article
Mar 14th 2018
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      well theres a difference between clowning someone for fake
Mar 14th 2018
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           so if he called her fake-Pocahontas would that be OK?
Mar 14th 2018
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           Again, this is a white woman claiming to be Native American
Mar 14th 2018
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           No, all your examples involve slurs. He simply could make fun
Mar 14th 2018
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           LMAO
Mar 14th 2018
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                Inappropriately hilarious is the perfect description
Mar 14th 2018
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           But if we all said “ok Shequana” to the white girl
Mar 14th 2018
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                f*&&^ whitey AND f*()(* all that
Mar 14th 2018
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                     No one forced her to say she was part Native American
Mar 14th 2018
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                          But that's not what happened.
Mar 14th 2018
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                          Huh? That’s exactly what happened
Mar 14th 2018
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                          It's coming from Trump so you know its not just clowing.
Mar 14th 2018
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Sounds like those YT girls we called WISH and RIC in school
Mar 14th 2018
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Exactly!!! Read that Atlantic article
Mar 14th 2018
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One thing is for certain. This isn't gonna go away ever
Mar 14th 2018
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I’d vote for her but the jokes would write themselves
Mar 14th 2018
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      Joe Arpaio was on CNN two months ago talking about the birth certificate...
Mar 14th 2018
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           and he is/was headed to jail
Mar 14th 2018
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                Did CNN clown him as you said they would?
Mar 14th 2018
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                     Every time I see them speak on him, yes, they clown him
Mar 14th 2018
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So.... is Becky a racial slur?
Mar 14th 2018
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pretty much.
Mar 14th 2018
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Uh oh
Mar 14th 2018
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      tell me how its not.
Mar 14th 2018
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           It’s just a name
Mar 14th 2018
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                Dawg you can't see that you doing the most white male privelege
Mar 14th 2018
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                     Becky isnt like Cracker! Stop it
Mar 14th 2018
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                          Dude, they are all SLURS
Mar 14th 2018
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                               You are using white male privilege to defend Becky?
Mar 14th 2018
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bouncie used becky as a substitute for whitegirl right?
Mar 14th 2018
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      yup, its used on this board
Mar 14th 2018
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           It’s used everywhere
Mar 14th 2018
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                kneegrow.... are you now answering your own questions?
Mar 14th 2018
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                     I never viewed Becky as a racial slur
Mar 14th 2018
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                          so because you don't view it as such
Mar 14th 2018
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                               I mean, you guys havent made a convincing argument Becky is a racial slu...
Mar 14th 2018
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                                    Becky = white girl?
Mar 14th 2018
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RE: Elizabeth Warren refuses DNA test to prove her Native Americaness
Mar 14th 2018
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is "snow bunny" a racial slur ?
Mar 14th 2018
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no, its just an animal.
Mar 14th 2018
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People are being too semantic about the word "slur"
Mar 14th 2018
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      Man, its wild what does numbers on OKP
Mar 14th 2018
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           I knew it was wrong. But still laughed the 1st couple of times he said i...
Mar 14th 2018
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                That shit is wrong but its still funny
Mar 14th 2018
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okp. where "pro-black" niggas side with white supremacists
Mar 14th 2018
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Yeah, I support his platforms and will run his Charlotte HQ’s
Mar 14th 2018
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Iowkno legs...if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck...
Mar 14th 2018
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Oh shit... Is this where it originated?
Mar 14th 2018
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      YOU DIDN"T KNOW THAT???!??!??!
Mar 15th 2018
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           I know the song and the skit
Mar 15th 2018
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                maybe its because in Cali
Mar 15th 2018
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                     bruh, that song gets played everywhere
Mar 16th 2018
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                          i was just trying to help you ike
Mar 16th 2018
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it's funny until you think about it
Mar 14th 2018
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You all OKP'd the hell out of this post
Mar 14th 2018
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this is poasting at its finest
Mar 15th 2018
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      There is always a Jimmy James in the barbershop tho
Mar 15th 2018
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           see...
Mar 15th 2018
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                the above it all crew
Mar 15th 2018
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                     in that case
Mar 15th 2018
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id like to thank everyone in here for being everyone in here.
Mar 14th 2018
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Eeesh.
Mar 14th 2018
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Your fat friend swears he could catch Moss. New nickname: Flash
Mar 15th 2018
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Warren releases results of DNA test (partial swipe)
Oct 15th 2018
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Feeding the trolls
Oct 15th 2018
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https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/591db4e55c959c23fe749299/master/w_69...
Oct 15th 2018
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      2 years later, we're validating Pocahontas and not tax returns, SMH.
Oct 15th 2018
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uncomfortable
Oct 15th 2018
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It amazes me how GOpers can control and set terms of the conversation
Oct 15th 2018
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Cherokees respond with an emphatic - Nope.
Oct 15th 2018
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Right. What did she think she’d gain?
Oct 15th 2018
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She has to get it out of the way, and 3 weeks before the
Oct 15th 2018
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its funny that cory booker and kamala harris constantly get criticized
Oct 15th 2018
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Not sure why she didn't wait until a Friday after midterms to dump this....
Oct 16th 2018
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tone deaf white chick thinking about her prez aspirations
Oct 15th 2018
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      Agree 100%
Oct 15th 2018
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           the good thing is it will be out of everyones head by the morning lol.
Oct 15th 2018
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Smh. She played herself.
Oct 16th 2018
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So basically she has as much NA blood as any Beelack
Oct 15th 2018
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Idk y every1 acts like dna ethnicity percents are reliable, when
Feb 07th 2019
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Cherokee Nation responds to release of Senator Warren’s DNA test.
Oct 15th 2018
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in her defense...she specifically covered this in her video.
Oct 15th 2018
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They already know that Trump is a liar, they just don't care
Oct 16th 2018
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more silly distractions while the GOP keeps purging voters...
Oct 16th 2018
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but what did Kanye have to say about Warren's DNA?
Oct 16th 2018
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Lol exactly
Feb 07th 2019
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all the more reason for Warren not to feed into it
Oct 16th 2018
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      100%
Oct 16th 2018
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did she ever think to reach out to the cherokee nation
Oct 16th 2018
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Nothing about this makes sense....
Oct 16th 2018
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seriously. she has had like 2 years to stick the landing on this.
Oct 16th 2018
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      Haha right. I genuinely want to know
Oct 16th 2018
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           political opportunism is a mf.
Oct 16th 2018
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trump out here scrambling otherwise smart people's brains
Oct 16th 2018
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i think dems in general suffer from a consultant/advisor class
Oct 16th 2018
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it's really wierd because my timeline yesterday was filled with
Oct 16th 2018
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      im really curious about what happened here.
Oct 16th 2018
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           i don't think they considered it it all
Oct 16th 2018
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                yeah i had a generally good level of respect for her.
Oct 16th 2018
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                white women yo..
Oct 16th 2018
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                Haha exactly! I was having Clinton flashbacks
Oct 16th 2018
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Book smart. A lot of Dems are out of touch
Oct 16th 2018
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      win the debate, lose the election
Oct 17th 2018
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cherokee nation folks now blaming her for *other* ppl mocking them.
Oct 16th 2018
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      man, if Lindsay Graham ain't one of the most pussy pieces of shit ever
Oct 16th 2018
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of course she did
Feb 06th 2019
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Bezos wants her gone. The establishment wants Kamala (for now).
Feb 06th 2019
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i honestly cant tell if this is a serious reply or not.
Feb 06th 2019
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Wtf does Beezo have to do with 1986?
Feb 06th 2019
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      The Post broke the story.
Feb 06th 2019
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           regardless of who broke it...this isn't the look
Feb 06th 2019
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Maybe Trump was right about these White Dems.
Feb 06th 2019
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she coulda cleared this up yearsss ago.
Feb 06th 2019
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It's likely she was doing this kind of thing so much for so long that
Feb 06th 2019
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      one of the lesser covered parts of the dnc/russia hack story
Feb 06th 2019
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      And then there's Northam.
Feb 06th 2019
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      She played herself with this shit.
Feb 06th 2019
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      what points was she winning exactly?
Feb 08th 2019
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libs can't stop owning themselves - (c) comment section
Feb 06th 2019
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Ugh. It's especially annoying because none of this mattered for anything...
Feb 06th 2019
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agree 100%
Feb 06th 2019
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Dems are so quick to savage their own champions
Feb 06th 2019
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      True.
Feb 06th 2019
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      Standards are higher for Dems
Feb 06th 2019
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      I agree that it's been poorly handled.
Feb 07th 2019
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      RE: This is really not that big of a deal
Feb 07th 2019
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      RE: This is really not that big of a deal
Feb 07th 2019
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           I think you need to look into the issue a little deeper
Feb 07th 2019
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                I've looked into it - and it's not a good look
Feb 08th 2019
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      when you plant your flag on the moral highground this is what happens.
Feb 07th 2019
      when you plant your flag on the moral highground this is what happens.
Feb 07th 2019
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Wow Folks are falling for "But Her Emails" all over again.
Feb 07th 2019
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im starting to get really annoyed with this story
Feb 07th 2019
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Huh? She lost, yeah?
Feb 07th 2019
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I’m warming up to KH
Feb 07th 2019
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RE: I’m warming up to KH
Feb 07th 2019
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The problem is this, like the emails, is a completely manufactured
Feb 08th 2019
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Nah, it’s just the story that she handled poorly and lied about.
Feb 07th 2019
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      Right
Feb 07th 2019
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      she definitely needs to dead it now
Feb 07th 2019
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      It’s a ridiculous story.
Feb 08th 2019
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      Yup. it's a non-issue that she somehow managed to make worse
Feb 07th 2019
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           i dont get why politicians dont know how the media cycle works now.
Feb 07th 2019
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                I always think about if Obama hadn't admitted to drug use in his youth,
Feb 08th 2019
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                     When you put it out first it takes away the sting
Feb 08th 2019
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                     yup that was kinda groundbreaking at the time.
Feb 08th 2019
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so upsetting, was there not an "other" category" in the 80s...
Feb 07th 2019
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She’s white
Feb 08th 2019
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      Basically, lol. She's got as much NA blood as anyone with roots
Feb 08th 2019
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           still trying to figure out what she actually did.
Feb 08th 2019
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Will she run as our first Native American presidential candidate (c) 45
Feb 11th 2019
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what turnip truck is missing one of the rotten, bruised trash turnips?
Feb 11th 2019
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      RE: what turnip truck is missing one of the rotten, bruised trash turnip...
Feb 12th 2019
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      lol
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flipnile
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1. "Feasible."
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Wed Mar-14-18 10:35 AM by flipnile

  

          

https://www.google.com/search?q=elizabeth+warren+mother&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=Jky9kDhLWSD7tM%253A%252Cq0MWi1G8QkGvNM%252C_&usg=__DTFaM8ReXUx-sC5_JqwoNiRNMI0%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_-53r_-vZAhUhwFkKHYL9BWAQ9QEIbjAO#imgrc=jqiUcBNr0zfbhM:


If that's her mom, then visually it's feasible.


Also, I wouldn't get a DNA test to prove my ancestry either. FOH. Folks act like they are some authority that must be answered to.

  

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2. "The racial slur shit from the highest office is funny?"
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Damn doggie
You fell off.

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11. "It’s not a slur... "
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but yes, I find it funny.

shut up already, damn

  

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14. "That is factually untrue. "
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160. "If he called Maxine Waters Harriet Tubman you would you laugh?"
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161. "false equivalency"
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Thu Mar-15-18 03:36 PM by Selah

          

this is a bit more like him calling that dolzeal lady harriet tubman

you'd have to go with someone whose legitimacy is in question

nobody is confused about water's background

if he called waters harriet tubman it would be more of a looks/age joke to be offended about than a racial one

  

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163. "fair..."
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3. "I dont see how its funny"
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5. "Not at all. "
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If Warren's big thing was trading on her native americanism and used that to her advantage, that would be one thing.

But they are doing to her what they so successfully did to HRC which is find one inconsistency and define that person by that apparent inconsistency.

Everytime Elizabeth Warren is on TV talking about her Indian Heritage, they win.




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4. "Nah that is not funny"
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6. "Yeah, it's as funny as the first black president having to show his pape..."
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84. "Exactly"
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It's outrageous. Believe her or not, whatever. Who cares. But this call for her do a DNA test is just the right's racism, and they're mocking a complex discussion of native identity and being of native descent while simultaneously trying to take her down


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96. "LOL @ the very idea that the care about complexity or nuance."
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101. "i wasn't trying to say that i think that they do"
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but nevertheless, their calls for her to just "spit in a tube" to prove nativeness offends the complexity of that conversation regardless


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7. "Lmao. Calling 'Pocahontas' a slur is an injustice to actual slurs, btw"
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8. "It's no different than using Jose, Jim, or Jerome as a slur, don't be ob..."
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9. "Those aren't slurs, either."
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Inappropriate, sure.
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12. ""That's like your opinion man""
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Definition of slur

1 a : an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo : aspersion


So stop being pedantic. It is literally the definition of a slur.
You're seeming to want to conflate it with the appropriateness of a slur, i.e. Would it be bleeped by the FCC or could someone get away with it without going through HR
But you're missing the point, it's inappropriate name calling meant to disparge another person based on racism. It's a slur.

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17. "That's the definition for a general slur."
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which is any insult. I'm pretty sure that ethinc/racial slurs are by definition aimed to disparage a group. Pocahontas, Jerome, Becky, etc. are aimed at individuals.

So then if you choose to call it a slur, which is accurate, I believe you are being dishonest because slur is never used in that context. In today's vernacular, slur implies racial slur, and Pocahontas is not a racial slur. So if it's only an insult, why not call it an insult? Dishonesty is bad.

>Definition of slur
>
>1 a : an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo :
>aspersion
>
>
>So stop being pedantic. It is literally the definition of a
>slur.
>You're seeming to want to conflate it with the appropriateness
>of a slur, i.e. Would it be bleeped by the FCC or could
>someone get away with it without going through HR
>But you're missing the point, it's inappropriate name calling
>meant to disparge another person based on racism. It's a slur.
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22. "Now your conflating "to slur" (verb) with a slur (noun)"
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And just because it's not what YOU would consider offensive doesn't mean that it's not a slur.
And when talking about common use, in a professional setting (which politics is) it's a slur. It doesn't have to be overtly racial. It doesn't even have to be racial but this just happens to be.

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28. "No I'm not. I'm comparing a general slur to a racial slur."
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I'm asserting that it's not a racial slur, but I'll concede that it is a slur by the archaic definition that nobody goes by in modern language.

>And just because it's not what YOU would consider offensive
>doesn't mean that it's not a slur.
>And when talking about common use, in a professional setting
>(which politics is) it's a slur. It doesn't have to be
>overtly racial. It doesn't even have to be racial but this
>just happens to be.


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31. "Archaic like 2018? What a clown you must be. "
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33. "RE: Archaic like 2018? What a clown you must be. "
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I personally never see anyone ever use "insult" and "slur" interchangeably.
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34. "How's the gumbo?"
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24. "Dawg, so when folks call any random muslim Haabib, that ain't a"
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slur?!?!?

Dawg the gymnastics you doing right now.



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29. ""I find THIS instance of racism funny""
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Is a whack statement but at least it's honest. But this shit is goofy.
It's like my best friend who tries to tell me I'm 5'10 because he's an inch taller and feels that he's 5'11. Like doggie, the tape measure shows we both average as fuck just live with it.

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36. "My man made distinctions between "General Slurs" and "Specific"
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Slurs"

SMH.


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38. "Nah - 'slur' and 'racial slur'"
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>Slurs"
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>SMH.
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39. "If that person was white and claimed to be part Afghani or Iranian"
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then nah... I wouldn’t see it as a racial slur.

Just like I don’t think it’s a racial slur when Black folks get clowned for claiming they are Native American just cause they got “good hair”

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42. "Wait, what's "part Muslim" now?"
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45. "Good catch, I meant to say part Syrian or Afgani"
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I thought I changed it before I posted

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60. "Yeah, still shitty"
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15. "hair splitting?"
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can we agree that "calling someone out their name" fits?

can we agree Trump doing it is "race baiting"?

(i'm reminded of the scene in Royal Tennenbaums when hackman's character calls Danny Glovers "coltrane")

i kinda wanna see how deep this rabbit hole goes...

  

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16. "It's literally the definition of a slur, there's no need to cede to opin..."
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They're not splitting hairs, they're factually and provably incorrect

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19. "see my reply above"
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>can we agree that "calling someone out their name" fits?
>
>can we agree Trump doing it is "race baiting"?
>
>(i'm reminded of the scene in Royal Tennenbaums when hackman's
>character calls Danny Glovers "coltrane")
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>i kinda wanna see how deep this rabbit hole goes...
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20. "you said its a slur to slurs"
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what does that mean

or are you poasting?

  

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23. "reply 17. Sorry I wasn't specific."
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26. "fascinating"
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so you DON'T see it as "race baiting" when he does that?

wow

  

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I personally do not because it's aimed at an individual and has nothing to do with Native Americans as a group.
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37. "last question"
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does that hold in all cases?

just so I understand you seem to be saying:

if someone calls person X out of their name (using an "ethnic" name) it's OK because that is a personal attack

is someone desparages a GROUP that's not ok because.... why now?

  

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44. "RE: last question"
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I never said it's okay. I just said that something like Becky or Pocahontas is not a racial slur because it's aimed at an individual and not a group.

Just because I'm saying that it's dishonest to call Pocahontas a slur (implying racial slur) doesn't mean I think it's okay to use those kinds of words against people.

>does that hold in all cases?
>
>just so I understand you seem to be saying:
>
>if someone calls person X out of their name (using an "ethnic"
>name) it's OK because that is a personal attack
>
>is someone desparages a GROUP that's not ok because.... why
>now?
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47. "ok thanks"
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49. "RE: ok thanks"
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No problem, and I genuinely appreciate the discourse.
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52. "Becky is a good example"
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but me thinks this only goes one way for obvious reasons.

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61. "ol "TECHNICALLY *raises finger*" asses"
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67. "really? Man...I think it's a big difference"
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between slur and racial slur. And admittedly I probably muddied that waters by initially saying it's not a slur because to me slur = racial slur. I literally never hear or read anyone using the word slur as a synonym for a general insult, so when I read slur, I assumed that racial slur was being implied.
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80. "he wouldnt have called her Pocahontas if he didn't meant to insult her i..."
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so in itself no it's not a racial slur but in that context it's being used in the fashion of a racial slur.

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10. "Calling Rachel Dolezal Shequita wouldn’t be a slur IMO"
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its just jokes

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13. "Calling Rachel True "Shaquita" would be so ....."
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Maybe think this through a bit sparky

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50. "So if someone built on the joke and said, Hey Rachel you get "
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your welfare check and watermelon yet?

That wouldn't be racist because she isn't black?


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59. "Once you build on ANY joke it can go in any direction"
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shut up already, damn

  

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63. "So you agree THAT joke would be racist then?"
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So how isn't the stereotypical name Shenaquita not racist?


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83. "Because it’s a different joke"
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shut up already, damn

  

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18. "It me, a lefty dude who thinks Trump's "Pocahontas" shit is hilarious"
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21. "equally hilarious is folk caping for a rich, white politician."
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25. "Oh fuck that noise. Ain't nobody caping for her. It's all about being ag..."
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Stupidity.
Like y'all are really trying to find nuance in bullshit and can't call a spade a spade.
A known racist makes a racist remark and y'all are trying to ride with it because it's funny to you.
Ok.

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27. "So "Pocahontas" is about taking the rich and powerful down a peg?"
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That's what we're going with?

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35. "RE: So "Pocahontas" is about taking the rich and powerful down a peg?"
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One rich and powerful individual, yes.
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40. "If her money and power is what alienates you so much"
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Why go with this?

(Because you're being dishonest)

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48. "RE: If her money and power is what alienates you so much"
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I'm not going with it. All I said is that it's dishonest to call it a slur because slur implies racial slur in today's vernacular, and it's not a racial slur because it's aimed at an individual and does not refer to a group.
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58. "I mean, "you can't slur an individual" isn't a good argument"
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So I get why you guys have been jumping around. But you can take the L.

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64. "RE: I mean, "you can't slur an individual" isn't a good argument"
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Trump is calling her the name Pocahontas. He's not saying "she's a Pocahontas."
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69. "I called him Shylock, not A Shylock"
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77. "I didn't think he could get worse, but he just keeps getting worse"
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And somehow this all makes sense in his head. Like the mental gymnastics and contradictions are just missing him.

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46. "You are so bad at this"
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Honestly, it's sort of refreshing to see in a messageboard context. It's like you're a time traveler from 2003 sent into the future to suck at posting.

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53. "RE: You are so bad at this"
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Yeah, I openly admit that I'm bad at at it because I'm not trying to win. People on message boards are usually trying to win and not trying to have a real discussion. So I usually lose in terms of message board currency (whatever that may be), and I'm fine with that.
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55. "Luckily, dishonest pedantry is having a moment in the real world"
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That should really pay off for you.

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62. "RE: Luckily, dishonest pedantry is having a moment in the real world"
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Is it really pedantry? Racial slur is a pretty big accusation, in my opinion.

>That should really pay off for you.


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68. "There's like a dozen people here who've pointed out..."
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... that the distinction you're making is one you've invented.

I doubt that one more person is going to make you realize that they're right.

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30. "so you disagree with the idea that..."
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"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

  

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41. "Or they could just go with if Native Americans consider it a slur"
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it is probably a slur.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/28/pocahontas-racist-eric-trump-defends-his-dad-but-native-americans-say-otherwise/902837001/


Funny that folks can't see that they are the white co-worker complaining about their black co-workers being so sensitive about their Obama Jokes.


I hated the "Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People" but methinks I can see it at times.



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51. "thats a bridge too far player"
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>I hated the "Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black
>People" but methinks I can see it at times.

WTH?

so slurring Straight Black men is okay?

sheesh

y'all gonna make me go to sports....

  

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54. "Niggas always overplay their hand in GD"
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shut up already, damn

  

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57. "somehow its wile-out wednesday apparently"
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i missed the memo

  

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66. "Ok Tyrone."
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73. "i laughed*"
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the "well played"-ness of it in context amuses me

*assuming the person who said "Tyrone" is B/black

otherwise....

  

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89. "So Badu was using a slur?"
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shut up already, damn

  

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104. "psst...the guys actual name was tyrone"
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so...

no

  

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107. "lol"
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108. "LMAO, No it wasnt"
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Tyrone is a mythical negro that every ain’t shit brotha has in his crew.

shut up already, damn

  

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113. "yes it was"
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the lyric:
"See every time you come around you got to bring Jim, James, Paul, and Tyrone"

the popularity of the song made the name Tyrone into shorthand for "triflin dude"

as a sidebar: tyrone got a raw deal

the BOYFRIEND is the *actual* trifin' dude, and the homie tyrone gotta get his name all besmirched

  

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122. "Tyrone isnt a real person bruh"
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Just like Becky with the good hair isnt a real person

These arent racial slurs... just names associated with trifeness or trampness

shut up already, damn

  

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123. "IN THE SONG mayne he is very much real"
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real as in: he is an character in the story, not a representation of a type

NOT real as is: he needs to file his taxes

  

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125. "Right? Tyrone's the standup dude that'll help you move your shit"
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when shit goes sideways.

>as a sidebar: tyrone got a raw deal
>
>the BOYFRIEND is the *actual* trifin' dude, and the homie
>tyrone gotta get his name all besmirched

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98. "Wait...maybe I misunderstood the quote Buddy used."
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>>I hated the "Straight Black Men Are the White People of
>Black
>>People" but methinks I can see it at times.
>
>WTH?
>
>so slurring Straight Black men is okay?
>
>sheesh
>
>y'all gonna make me go to sports....


But I don't think it's saying that slurring straight black men is OK. I read it as saying that black men tend to look down on black people who are not straight black men (gays, lesbians, women, etc.) in the same manner that white folks look down on everybody who's not white.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

  

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103. "thats stereotyping and therefore bad"
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right?

"tend to"?

c'mon b

black men tend to be lazy
black men tend to abandon their kids and be poor fathers when they don't
black men tend to be homophobic
black men tend to hate women

dont' say it, then hedge it with "I scan see that" in the *same post* where you're defending against using slurs against white women

  

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111. "It was tongue in cheek but how's it different from calling out"
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A white males privilege when they are doing something white male privilege-ly.

I mean, is it stereotyping to say white people need to recognize their privilege?


or coming at it more straightforwardly:

I often see how black people, or even black men more specifically, engage in the same sort of behavior that I often see white people criticized for, when blackness isn't the issue (memba that black male privilege post?).

Is that observation stereotyping? If so I might be okay with stereotyping sometimes.






>right?
>
>"tend to"?
>
>c'mon b
>
>black men tend to be lazy
>black men tend to abandon their kids and be poor fathers when
>they don't
>black men tend to be homophobic
>black men tend to hate women
>
>dont' say it, then hedge it with "I scan see that" in the
>*same post* where you're defending against using slurs against
>white women
>
>


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118. "the goalposts just slid"
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>I often see how black people, or even black men more
>specifically, engage in the same sort of behavior that I often
>see white people criticized for, when blackness isn't the
>issue (memba that black male privilege post?).

I often see how individuals within *whatever* group(s) you want to dump them into exercise whatever you want to label as privilege

(my definition: privilege having to do with exercising of power)

but....

you specifically (at first) selected the trifecta of:

- black
- hetero
- male

>Is that observation stereotyping?

yep

>If so I might be okay with
>stereotyping sometimes.

yep

  

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130. "Wtf is Buddy talking about? "
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Dude knows the "you acting like a white male" is the lowedt thing you can say to a Black man.

This is the same guy DEFENDING Devos' ignorance in another thread on some "I don' think she is evil"

He knows exactly what he is doing and it isnt stereotyping.. just being lazy.

shut up already, damn

  

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138. "Not sure I follow. How am I moving the goal post?"
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And to be clear, my position on this topic isn't that I am anti the usage of slurs. My position is it's a slur and let's recognize it as such.

My first point in #5 regarding why I don't find the Pocahontas funny has nothing to do with it being a slur.



>>I often see how black people, or even black men more
>>specifically, engage in the same sort of behavior that I
>often
>>see white people criticized for, when blackness isn't the
>>issue (memba that black male privilege post?).
>
>I often see how individuals within *whatever* group(s) you
>want to dump them into exercise whatever you want to label as
>privilege
>
>(my definition: privilege having to do with exercising of
>power)
>
>but....
>
>you specifically (at first) selected the trifecta of:
>
>- black
>- hetero
>- male
>
>>Is that observation stereotyping?
>
>yep
>
>>If so I might be okay with
>>stereotyping sometimes.
>
>yep
>
>


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145. "He’s talking about you slurring Black straight males"
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by trying to calm them the White males of Black male size or whatever nonsense they tried to claim.

Trash ass logic

shut up already, damn

  

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151. "you started with straight, black men...."
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(I hated the "Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People" but methinks I can see it at times.)

then just moved to black people, THEN males in general (I often see how black people, or even black men more specifically, engage in the same sort of behavior that I often see white people criticized for, when blackness isn't the issue (memba that black male privilege post?). )

straight, black men != black men != black people


summary: sliding goalpost

  

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65. "RE: .. if Native Americans consider it a slur"
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there is always gonna be ONE in the crowd that thinks whatever behavior is cool

think: Washington Redskins

to me the question always arises of HOW MANY does it take for it to not be OK (or for it to be OK)?

  

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72. "RE: so you disagree with the idea that..."
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I don't disagree. I just think that the accusation of racial slur is not applicable here. And I don't think it's being pedantic (which I have been accused of twice in this post) because I feel like the accusation of a racial slur is a big deal.

>"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."


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82. "RE: so you disagree with the idea that..."
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>because I feel like the accusation of a racial slur is a big
>deal.


What about Donald Trump makes you willing to give him the benefit of the doubt?
That out of all of the racist things he's done in his life and all of the racist words that he spews from his mouth and all of the racists that he surrounds himself with and allof the racists that state that he speaks for them and all of the racist acts that have been carried out in his name and all of the racist policies that have been advocated with his blessing
That considering all of the 40 years of docutmented and hinted racism from him
In addition to the documented racism of his father
Considering all of that, that in this SINGLE instance, in which people that are Native American have said that it's a racist term, in addition to people that hear it and call it out.
That considering all of that, that he's earned the benefit of the doubt for this?

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112. "RE: so you disagree with the idea that..."
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I don't think any of that is relevant here. We're analyzing his use of the word Pocahontas. Nothing about his use of the word indicates that he is trying to disparage Native Americans as a whole IMO.

>>because I feel like the accusation of a racial slur is a
>big
>>deal.
>
>
>What about Donald Trump makes you willing to give him the
>benefit of the doubt?
>That out of all of the racist things he's done in his life and
>all of the racist words that he spews from his mouth and all
>of the racists that he surrounds himself with and allof the
>racists that state that he speaks for them and all of the
>racist acts that have been carried out in his name and all of
>the racist policies that have been advocated with his
>blessing
>That considering all of the 40 years of docutmented and hinted
>racism from him
>In addition to the documented racism of his father
>Considering all of that, that in this SINGLE instance, in
>which people that are Native American have said that it's a
>racist term, in addition to people that hear it and call it
>out.
>That considering all of that, that he's earned the benefit of
>the doubt for this?
>


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135. "this is not the sole definition of what constitutes a racial slur"
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>his use of the word Pocahontas. Nothing about his use of the
>word indicates that he is trying to disparage Native Americans
>as a whole IMO.

<------- Bryce just better

  

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136. "He dumb. "
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43. "One time I heard a white girl tell a Black dude she was 5% Black"
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I find it hilarious when white folks make those types of claims but refuse to provide evidence.

shut up already, damn

  

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56. "but bruh"
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what is this "prove it" business?

straight up, is this you just being on some "f*(# whitey" steeze, or is this some kinda universal-principle thing to you

(honestly asking)

addendum: I would think the specificity of "%5" would be funny for multiple reasons

  

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70. "Ever since this popped up and I read this Atlantic article"
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I can’t help but think this is a joke. I don’t take it seriously so when I heard he called her Pocohantus I fell the fuck out.

As a politician I think it’s one of those “come the fuck on” moments.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/

Folks always want that exotic past for some reason.

and yeah, there is definitely some effe whitey in there cause why not? Just be white and KIM.

shut up already, damn

  

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71. "well theres a difference between clowning someone for fake"
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heritage versus calling someone by a slur.

One doesn't have to go with the other.


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74. "so if he called her fake-Pocahontas would that be OK?"
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or

bootleg-Sacagawea

(again, the rabbit hole....)

  

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79. "Again, this is a white woman claiming to be Native American"
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but doesn’t have any proof.

so yeah, I know she is an OG when it comes to progressive politics but this shit is a bad look.

shut up already, damn

  

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114. "No, all your examples involve slurs. He simply could make fun"
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of her claiming to have Indian heritage when she has no proof of it.

You don't have to use slurs to do that.


>or
>
>bootleg-Sacagawea
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>(again, the rabbit hole....)
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140. "LMAO"
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No it wouldn't be okay but it would be definitely be inappropriately hilarious.

  

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149. "Inappropriately hilarious is the perfect description "
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Shit is hilarious to me

Folks saying it’s a slur but I think it’s just joking a white woman for claiming to be Native American but refusing to show receipts.

When do you not get joked for claiming to be some shit you can’t prove you are?

shut up already, damn

  

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75. "But if we all said “ok Shequana” to the white girl"
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would that be considered a racial slur?

My point in all of this is Warren can’t or is unwilling to prove she is part Native American. That’s a clownable offense.

I

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76. "f*&&^ whitey AND f*()(* all that"
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prove?

to who?

that's (one of the) crazy part

the IDEA of that type of deal is at the top of the "hell to the naw" list

say she DID take a DNA test. we know full well "they" would still say its fake (birth certificate anyone?)

  

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81. "No one forced her to say she was part Native American"
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Let a brotha say he is related to Frederick Douglas and watch how Black folk react.

PROVE IT!!

But a white woman says she is NA and it’s “what’s the big deal?”

Nah b. She opened herself up to this so regardless of how low it is on the totem pole (see what I did) it’s going to a topic of discussion.

shut up already, damn

  

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87. "But that's not what happened. "
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Warren, who graduated from the University of Houston in 1970 and got her law degree from Rutgers University in 1976, did not seek to take advantage of affirmative action policies during her education, according documents obtained by the Associated Press and The Boston Globe. On the application to Rutgers Law School she was asked, "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?'' "No," she replied.

While a teacher at the University of Texas, she listed herself as "white." But between 1986 and 1995, she listed herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty; the University of Pennsylvania in a 2005 "minority equity report" also listed her as one of the minority professors who had taught at its law school.

The head of the committee that brought Warren to Harvard Law School said talk of Native American ties was not a factor in recruiting her to the prestigious institution. Reported the Boston Herald in April in its first story on Warren's ancestry claim: "Harvard Law professor Charles Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General who served under Ronald Reagan, sat on the appointing committee that recommended Warren for hire in 1995. He said he didn't recall her Native American heritage ever coming up during the hiring process.

"'It simply played no role in the appointments process. It was not mentioned and I didn't mention it to the faculty,' he said."

He repeated himself this week, telling the Herald: "In spite of conclusive evidence to the contrary, the story continues to circulate that Elizabeth Warren enjoyed some kind of affirmative action leg-up in her hiring as a full professor by the Harvard Law School. The innuendo is false."

"I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned," he added.

That view was echoed by Law School Professor Laurence H. Tribe, who voted to tenure Warren and was also involved in recruiting her.

"Elizabeth Warren's heritage had absolutely no role in the decision to recruit her to Harvard Law School," he told the Crimson. "Our decision was entirely based on her extraordinary expertise and legendary teaching ability. This whole dispute is fabricated out of whole cloth and has no connection to reality."

And that's the second arena where an absence of evidence should have some weight. If there's no easily located evidence that Warren has Native American ancestry, there's also no evidence Warren used her family story to boost herself into a Harvard job.

A huge tell -- beyond the flat denials of two of the men who brought her to the school -- is that Warren's ancestry was not touted in 1995 in the Harvard Crimson as the Law School's first Native American hire, despite the ethnic studies movement's gathering force on the college's campus at the time and continued controversy over the lack of diversity at the law school (as highlighted at a protest involving Prof. Derrick Bell and law school student Barack Obama in 1991). The Crimson article on Warren was titled simply, "Woman Tenured at Law School."


http://washingtonexaminer.com/2012/05/documents-reveal-more-about-elizabeth-warrens-minority-claims/597926

She heard of her ancestry through family oral tradition, and American Indian ancestry of some kind is common in Oklahoma, where she grew up. She has never claimed majority Cherokee ancestry, or enough ancestry to qualify as a member of a registered tribe. Despite conservative claims that she exploited race-based affirmative action to be hired at Harvard Law School, the evidence is clear that Warren never gained any professional advantage from her claimed heritage.

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/14/17012798/elizabeth-warren-speech-native-american-american-indian-pocahontas-trump


The Democratic Senate candidate can't back up family lore that she is part Cherokee—but neither is there any evidence that she benefited professionally from these stories.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/

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91. "Huh? That’s exactly what happened"
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She volunteered that info.

She was white in 95 and said she was a minority at Penn

shut up already, damn

  

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94. "It's coming from Trump so you know its not just clowing."
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http://deadline.com/2017/11/donald-trump-native-american-veterans-slur-pocahontas-elizabeth-warren-sarah-huckabee-sanders-press-briefing-1202215105/


Two code talkers were standing next to Trump when he dusted off his fave nickname/slur for Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who has claimed Native American ancestry.

“I just want to thank you because you’re very, very special people,” Trump began. “You were here long before any of us were here, although we have a representative in Congress who, they say, was here a long time ago. They call her ‘Pocahontas’.”

By “they,” of course, Trump meant “Donald Trump.”

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78. "Sounds like those YT girls we called WISH and RIC in school"
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WISH: she wish she was spanish
RIC: Racial Identity Crisis

Applied to those YT girls that went extra with the make up, hoop earrings, braids, baby hair gel look, cornrows, etc

They're all suburban well off mothers of 2 now I bet

  

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86. "Exactly!!! Read that Atlantic article"
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The running joke in Oklahoma is everyone is part Cherokee.

At Penn she listed herself as a minority. This was after she listed herself as white while a teacher at U of Texas.

I really have a hard time being sympathetic to white folk who flip back and forth when it suits them.

shut up already, damn

  

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85. "One thing is for certain. This isn't gonna go away ever"
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She could take a test and come out 75% cherokee. Doesn't matter. Trump already branded her.

If she runs for president it will be a hindrance to her, fair or unfair

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88. "I’d vote for her but the jokes would write themselves"
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but if she proved she was with a DNA test it wouldn’t stop the jokes but CNN and other networks not named Fox would clown anyone trying to claim she was lying.

When Obama showed his papers the hard line birthers didn’t want to believe it but anyone running and seriously trying to win an election had to concede Obama was legit.

shut up already, damn

  

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90. "Joe Arpaio was on CNN two months ago talking about the birth certificate..."
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2018

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92. "and he is/was headed to jail"
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he is a terrible example

Might as well say Alex Jones or Sherriff Clark

shut up already, damn

  

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95. "Did CNN clown him as you said they would?"
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Or even fact check him for their audience?

You done fell all the way off.
You used to be the man around here.

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100. "Every time I see them speak on him, yes, they clown him"
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shut up already, damn

  

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93. "So.... is Becky a racial slur? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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97. "pretty much."
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nah, you trippin

  

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99. "Uh oh"
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shut up already, damn

  

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102. "tell me how its not."
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nah, you trippin

  

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109. "It’s just a name"
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That’s a bad Becky

Damn, I really don’t see the offense in it.

I’m Black tho and extremely insensitive to white folks feelings.

shut up already, damn

  

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115. "Dawg you can't see that you doing the most white male privelege"
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thing ever when you position is it isn't offensive because it doesn't offend me!?!?!?



"Becky" is like "cracker" not nearly as potent as the n word or k*ke or slop head or whatever slur but not because it's not a slur but rather because of the loaded history of the other terms.


>That’s a bad Becky
>
>Damn, I really don’t see the offense in it.
>
>I’m Black tho and extremely insensitive to white folks
>feelings.


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120. "Becky isnt like Cracker! Stop it"
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and FOH with trying to play the white male privilege card cause I dont give a fuck about calling white girls Becky

shut up already, damn

  

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133. "Dude, they are all SLURS"
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N word is to Cracker

Like Becky is to Shaqwanda.

All slurs with different levels of potency based on history.

I keep referring to white male privilege to show you are doing the exact same thing you are going to be screaming about next week some white person doing.



>and FOH with trying to play the white male privilege card
>cause I dont give a fuck about calling white girls Becky


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147. "You are using white male privilege to defend Becky? "
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👌🏽

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105. "bouncie used becky as a substitute for whitegirl right? "
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if so, then yeah

if the hypothetical adulterer's actual NAME was "becky"

then, nah

  

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106. "yup, its used on this board"
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the same way Bey used it.

nah, you trippin

  

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110. "It’s used everywhere "
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shut up already, damn

  

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119. "kneegrow.... are you now answering your own questions?"
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this post is AWESOME

  

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121. "I never viewed Becky as a racial slur"
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I know we use it a lot but a racial slur?

Buddy said it was like Cracker.


I think thats bull and shit

shut up already, damn

  

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124. "so because you don't view it as such"
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means its not a racial slur?

it doesn't have the history of cracker, but its not at term of endearment.

nah, you trippin

  

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128. "I mean, you guys havent made a convincing argument Becky is a racial slu..."
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Im being open and honest, I never thought it could be viewed as a racial slur.

It doesnt sound loaded like Cracker or honky.

I've never heard anyone suggest it was a racial slut until today. All the think pieces online and I dont ever remember a debate about Becky.







shut up already, damn

  

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134. "Becky = white girl?"
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is there another meaning that I'm not aware of?

it just doesn't have the same story as cracker, but its now part of the lexicon.

its kinda like urban, which is sometimes a 'softer' way to say black folks.

nah, you trippin

  

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116. "RE: Elizabeth Warren refuses DNA test to prove her Native Americaness"
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>I know it’s just a distraction from more important things
>but this is politics and this type of story always
>“trumps” the real issues.


The more I thought about it the more this whole framing is bullshit, content aside.
Donald Trump never divested from his companies, never disclosed his financial obligations via taxes, and continuous to overtly and covertly profit off of the presidency.

All of which is a real issue. All of which actually entails how qualified he is for the job, how honest he is for the job, and even more troublesome who he's obligated to.

Things only "trump" real issues when seemingly smart people buy into the dredges of societies bullshit and this is one.
Donald Trump is a racist and if he's not he certainly acts upon racial animus. This slur is one of them, and people that breathless point the finger back at the victim rather than the racisf are bogus and should be mocked.

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117. "is "snow bunny" a racial slur ?"
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126. "no, its just an animal."
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like a big black buck.

nah, you trippin

  

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127. "People are being too semantic about the word "slur""
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Like everyone knows what everyone is talking about, but just disagree on the terminology.
Talking about "is this a slur? what about this?" lol

Yes, all these things are slurs in the sense that they express some type of negative or stereotypical connotation, or they are used to insult.

But they are not the typical racial slurs that we (some?) usually think of. The ones that are considered bad words.

It is easy to stretch and call almost every insult a slur. I mean all of Trump's nicknames are technically slurs (little Marco, liddle, lyin' Ted, goofy Warren, rocket man, sloppy Steve, Sleepy Chuck Todd, etc.). They are all modifiers used in a derogatory manner.

This is OKP though. We all just love to argue for no reason.

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129. "Man, its wild what does numbers on OKP"
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Im on pain meds chillin and thought this would go wood.

Shoulda known Trump and Pocahontas would do numbers.

The first time he said it I remember half the board saying it was wrong but it was funny. I never expected folks to say Becky was a racial slur.

I love this place

shut up already, damn

  

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131. "I knew it was wrong. But still laughed the 1st couple of times he said i..."
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Just out of the absurdity of a president using playground taunts. When it seemed spontaneous, it was a little funny.

It's not so funny now since it seems so targeted now after repeated use. It's now a weapon, not just a spontaneous quip.

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132. "That shit is wrong but its still funny "
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and I know its the president but that dudes a clown so I dont have the energy to always be mad.

shut up already, damn

  

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137. "okp. where "pro-black" niggas side with white supremacists"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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143. "Yeah, I support his platforms and will run his Charlotte HQ’s"
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shut up already, damn

  

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139. "Iowkno legs...if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck..."
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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Becky&utm_source=search-action

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Mad slurry to me. *shrug*

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141. "Oh shit... Is this where it originated? "
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That’s crazy.

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150. "YOU DIDN"T KNOW THAT???!??!??!"
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we are now into the dessert section of lost recipes

  

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153. "I know the song and the skit"
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but its been so long and seems like the Becky movement didt take off until like 20 years after that dropped.

We didnt call white girls Becky's right after seeing the video.

So it kinda blew my mind that the skit is the origin of the joke even tho I remember it.

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155. "maybe its because in Cali "
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that song stays in rotation

as soon as beyonce said it my thought was: there she go talking out the house for white people (hot sauce in my bag == v2)

since mix-a-lot came out calling whitegirls becky was the lolo diss cuz they didn't get it

  

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162. "bruh, that song gets played everywhere"
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and white people LOVE that song

shut up already, damn

  

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164. "i was just trying to help you ike"
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*shrug*

  

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142. "it's funny until you think about it"
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then it's kinda disgusting

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144. "You all OKP'd the hell out of this post"
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Thanks for the entertainment! These absurd proclamations, silly arguments, going against the dictionary and that one poster's unintentional use of a new term, racial slut, has me wiping away tears I'm laughing so hard.

You all were serious in this post too. LOL.

  

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152. "this is poasting at its finest"
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here come the "above it all" crew (*BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*)

"serious" is relative

my opinion: this is some virtual barbershop talk

glorious in its time-wasting stupidity


  

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154. "There is always a Jimmy James in the barbershop tho"
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http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BPJ66F/sean-patrick-thomas-barbershop-2002-BPJ66F.jpg

shut up already, damn

  

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156. "see..."
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before I laugh,

WHO you calling jimmy james player?

  

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157. "the above it all crew"
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shut up already, damn

  

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159. "in that case"
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YUP!

  

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146. "id like to thank everyone in here for being everyone in here."
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148. "Eeesh."
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158. "Your fat friend swears he could catch Moss. New nickname: Flash"
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165. "Warren releases results of DNA test (partial swipe)"
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/10/15/warren-addresses-native-american-issue/YEUaGzsefB0gPBe2AbmSVO/story.html

WASHINGTON — Senator Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test that provides “strong evidence’’ she had a Native American in her family tree dating back 6 to 10 generations, an unprecedented move by one of the top possible contenders for the 2020 Democratic nomination for president.

Warren, whose claims to Native American blood have been mocked by President Trump and other Republicans, provided the test results to the Globe on Sunday in an effort to defuse questions about her ancestry that have persisted for years. She planned an elaborate rollout Monday of the results as she aimed for widespread attention.

The analysis of Warren’s DNA was done by Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor and expert in the field who won a 2010 MacArthur fellowship, also known as a genius grant, for his work on tracking population migration via DNA analysis.

He concluded that “the vast majority” of Warren’s ancestry is European, but he added that “the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor.”

Bustamante calculated that Warren’s pure Native American ancestor appears in her family tree “in the range of 6-10 generations ago.” That timing fits Warren’s family lore, passed down during her Oklahoma upbringing, that her great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was at least partially Native American.

  

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166. "Feeding the trolls "
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168. "https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/591db4e55c959c23fe749299/master/w_69..."
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173. "2 years later, we're validating Pocahontas and not tax returns, SMH."
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167. "uncomfortable "
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--
the untold want by life and land ne'er granted
now voyager sail thou forth to seek and find

  

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169. "It amazes me how GOpers can control and set terms of the conversation"
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We are always on the defensive AND they are the ones doing horrible shit.


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170. "Cherokees respond with an emphatic - Nope."
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Damn, democrats are bad at this. If this was her attempt to clear the launch pad for a presidential run, then she might as well save herself the time and money.

This wasn't even that tricky. I appreciate her work and her voting record on most things, but she played herself.



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172. "Right. What did she think she’d gain?"
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She getting dragged by both sides.

And what’s with the timing?

I mean I know I’m a broken record but....


Democrats are fucking idiots.

  

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175. "She has to get it out of the way, and 3 weeks before the"
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midterms is good.

Shes too intelligent to have believed this once she really thought about it (after being challenged). So she probably said "alright, lets get this over with."

  

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180. "its funny that cory booker and kamala harris constantly get criticized"
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by white folks on the both sides of the aisle for grandstanding in advance of a presidential run.

i cant think of a bigger example of 'hey yall look at me...im running soon' than what warren just did.

she could have used her time/platform to bring more awareness to the republican voter suppression efforts against native americans in north dakota.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/politics/north-dakota-voter-id-native-americans/index.html

or the fact that the family of the #2 repub in the house (running for speaker/leader) did exactly...or worse than...what repubs are claiming warren had done by claiming native american ancestry in the past.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-na-pol-mccarthy-contracts-20181014-story.html

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181. "Not sure why she didn't wait until a Friday after midterms to dump this...."
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176. "tone deaf white chick thinking about her prez aspirations"
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above everything else.

i have no idea why she decided to do this *now*.

dems should be doing nothing but talking about getting out the vote for midterms and driving down favorables of repubs/trump by highlighting the constant revelations of corruption (like trumps relationship with saudi arabia and its relevance to his reaction to the murdered journalist).

as a perceived leader of the party you should be a lot more disciplined/focused on the immediate task at hand.

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177. "Agree 100%"
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Of all the ways she/Dems could make headlines.

SMH

  

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178. "the good thing is it will be out of everyones head by the morning lol."
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the kanye/trump meeting happened like 4 days ago and it already feels like last year.

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185. "Smh. She played herself. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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174. "So basically she has as much NA blood as any Beelack "
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person.

Since we know it amounts to essentially nothing (1/1000), I'm curious what her African percentage is. If it's relatively large, that could explain the story about her one side objecting when her parents got married.

  

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223. "Idk y every1 acts like dna ethnicity percents are reliable, when"
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there's countless articles out there explaining the enormous grain of salt you have to apply to those supposed percentages, and also how Native American dna is among the absolute hardest ones for these tests to currently nail down, given the extremely limited and unreliable sample pool. The only thing they're really useful for at this time is finding relatives and maybe some rough clues.

So, if anyone is more into this stuff and can correct me, please do, but my understanding of the current age of dna testing is that she could indeed have much more (or less) Native ancestry than these tests show.

She never should have taken the bait tho, but now we're all taking the bait lol

  

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171. "Cherokee Nation responds to release of Senator Warren’s DNA test."
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https://twitter.com/CherokeeNation/status/1051965527214776321

  

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179. "in her defense...she specifically covered this in her video."
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dna/lineage vs tribal citizenship.

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182. "They already know that Trump is a liar, they just don't care"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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183. "more silly distractions while the GOP keeps purging voters..."
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...MSM and the masses keep falling for shit headlines like this while everything around them crumbles


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184. "but what did Kanye have to say about Warren's DNA?"
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224. "Lol exactly"
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186. "all the more reason for Warren not to feed into it"
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188. "100%"
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https://www.instagram.com/sbmission365/

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187. "did she ever think to reach out to the cherokee nation"
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(or any tribal council really) just to try to smooth things over and get some advice on how to approach this in a way that was sensitive to native americans?

that would seem like an important base to cover.

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189. "Nothing about this makes sense...."
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From the timing to why she played into his hand and made this an issue to how she (and/or her peoples) didn't think about the native angle...

Nothing.


I wasn't crazy about her candidacy before this- I don't think the country is ready (fucked up, but true) and I think her reputation would be really, really hard to overcome.

But now? I mean, shiiit, you don't beat Cheeto like this. You don't actively give him ammo.

On top of it, you don't make yourself look like an out of touch coastal liberal elite trying to be down.


And again, even people on the left (rightfully) saying "yeah, this isn't how any of this works..."


I can't believe what a terrible move she made.




  

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191. "seriously. she has had like 2 years to stick the landing on this."
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and still fucked up.

she has survived just fine politically with this floating around. nobody really cares about it but trump supporters (and only in a mocking way). even harvard (via the boston globe) absolved her of these 'charges' saying it played no role in her advancement. it was background noise.

as soon as anyone on her team (including her) said 'lets drop this heat right as early voting begins in many important states for the midterms'...somebody should have put a tomahawk through em.

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193. "Haha right. I genuinely want to know"
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What they thought would be the gain here?

I can’t come up with anything. Like, did they
think this would win over anyone?

Someone said “to put the issue to bed”...?

Uh, even if it came back 25% native, do people
really think it would shut up Trump and Trumpsters

Worse still, she gave the story new life and made it
look like he’s in her head.

I’m honestly questioning her judgement based on
this.

  

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194. "political opportunism is a mf."
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she obviously wasnt thinking about anyone but herself.

her and/or somebody on her team prolly thought they could get out in front of other 2020 contenders first and portray her as trumps top nemesis. great for fundraising and getting the dem party to galvanize behind her to take on trump.

thats all i got fam lol.

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190. "trump out here scrambling otherwise smart people's brains"
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192. "i think dems in general suffer from a consultant/advisor class"
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of smug well educated white people who are all book smarts and no street smarts or intuition.

like i could see some robby mook type condescending white dude on the team overruling a black/hispanic/native chicks objections about how goofy it would look to be waving a dna test around to prove some infinitesimal level of 'ethnic' heritage.

like they really thought they were gonna dunk on trump and unofficially kick off her prez campaign with this roll out lol.

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195. "it's really wierd because my timeline yesterday was filled with"
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"Ha! take that Trump!" type of headlines (they've somewhat shifted today). So i assumed it was gonna say something like she was 40% cherokee and 30% yaqui or some variation. When I read what the actual results were, i'm thinking it's a pretty weird thing to endzone dance over. It sounded more like something Trump would do while liberals mocked him.

Aside from entertaining this to begin with. as you said, she had the high ground on this issue already with the whole' controversy' of her using native heritage to get ahead having been long debunked... there seems to be a line of reasoning among her or her team that since Trump is so bad, nothing else would matter. Like Cherokee nation would obviously back her because, Trump.


>of smug well educated white people who are all book smarts
>and no street smarts or intuition.
>
>like i could see some robby mook type condescending white dude
>on the team overruling a black/hispanic/native chicks
>objections about how goofy it would look to be waving a dna
>test around to prove some infinitesimal level of 'ethnic'
>heritage.

could def picture it playing out that way.

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196. "im really curious about what happened here."
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>Like Cherokee nation would obviously back her
>because, Trump.

did they just not consider getting in touch with the cherokee nation to try to get on the same page?

cuz the cherokee nation sec of state was on cnn basically sounding like a black person would sound if some lily white celeb was claiming african heritage based on a dna test result.

shit is even more goofy if you supposedly had knowledge/pride in your native american heritage for decades but were never a vocal/active advocate for native causes (especially as a politician with actual power/sway).

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197. "i don't think they considered it it all"
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and I largely like and respect Elizabeth Warren (not necessarily as president but in general) so i would expect better because this all reads more like a textbook Hillary Clinton move. Severely out of touch/just assume Group X thinks/votes this way. She's got Democrat disease.

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198. "yeah i had a generally good level of respect for her."
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this shit was so irrelevant to me before.

i thought she was a capable candidate for prez. maybe the best person to thread the progressive and establishment sides of the party (at least theoretically). but this shit makes me kinda want her to just disappear lol.

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200. "white women yo.. "
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I liked Warren too but she prolly would call the cops on a nigga. Lol

shut up already, damn

  

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203. "Haha exactly! I was having Clinton flashbacks"
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I literally thought “this sounds like something
Hil would have tried in 16”

I certainly hope the party has candidates with actual
good/effective ways to fight Cheeto

I agree with Reeq, I really want her to fall back. At
least for a long while.


Democrats Disease is perfect. Shit is like an
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199. "Book smart. A lot of Dems are out of touch "
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and can’t communicate with regular folk.

shut up already, damn

  

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204. "win the debate, lose the election "
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201. "cherokee nation folks now blaming her for *other* ppl mocking them."
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https://twitter.com/Amanda_Clinton/status/1052194518374604807

apparently they have been trying to work with her for 6 years to get this right but she just decide to jump out the window herself.

https://twitter.com/Amanda_Clinton/status/1052230131203395584

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202. "man, if Lindsay Graham ain't one of the most pussy pieces of shit ever"
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he's never been a good guy but it's such a noticeable shift since he's become Trump's beta boy instead of McCain's

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205. "of course she did"
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-american-indian-texas-bar_us_5c5ad6f8e4b00187b556e54a

**bangs head on desk**

I suppose this isn't surprising, but this isn't going away.

  

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206. "Bezos wants her gone. The establishment wants Kamala (for now)."
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They don't want this to be a messy bloodbath that might harm the overall Dem turnout in 11/20.

  

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207. "i honestly cant tell if this is a serious reply or not."
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209. "Wtf does Beezo have to do with 1986? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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210. "The Post broke the story."
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213. "regardless of who broke it...this isn't the look"
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If I had my pick of any of the current crop to be President, it would probably be Warren. I like her ideas the best, etc.


I even thought she did a somewhat decent job (more recently, not at first...that DNA test was political malpractice) changing the convo to the wealth tax.

Whoever the opposition is, they will keep digging this stuff up.





  

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208. "Maybe Trump was right about these White Dems. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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211. "she coulda cleared this up yearsss ago."
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like even did a mea culpa in 2017 when she thought she might possibly run for president.

2 years of nonstop 24/7 news binging/purging in between...shit would have been largely diffused by now.

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212. "It's likely she was doing this kind of thing so much for so long that "
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she doesn't recall all the little forms she filled out with this kind of stuff. Maybe she convinced herself she never did this, or this much, or for this long - that she's in denial about it all.

*EDIT*

OR..she remembers it all, and couldn't bring herself to admit to trying to win extra points in this way for so long. Maybe it's better to play it off like you forgot what you had been doing for so many years than to admit you absolutely knew the whole time. And just hope that your political enemies don't manage to dig very much of it up.

  

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214. "one of the lesser covered parts of the dnc/russia hack story"
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was that there was a central repository for opposition research of democratic candidates on the dnc servers. when it was hacked...that negative info was used against dem candidates all across the country by repub groups like paul ryans super pac.

i wonder if that scared dems away from doing oppo research on their own candidates after that. cuz this is the type of shit that should have come up and been dealt with.

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218. "And then there's Northam."
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215. "She played herself with this shit. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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241. "what points was she winning exactly?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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216. "libs can't stop owning themselves - (c) comment section "
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217. "Ugh. It's especially annoying because none of this mattered for anything..."
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People will spin this as if she was going around looking for affirmative action. But from what I understand in both these cases the identity is just for institutional bookkeeping and wasn't even filled out until after the fact (that is, after she was hired by Harvard, and after she was admitted to the Bar).

It sounds like both of these cases were just her playing out some family legend that she liked. A lot of people *think* they have native ancestry, and a lot of people exaggerate what little they have. I smh that someone as smart as her would go so far as to flatly call herself "American Indian," though. That's approaching Dolezal level.

Obviously she wasn't planning to enter politics. As much as I like the idea of an academic in the Presidency, I didn't see how she would overcome this when it was just the one case. By now I think it's time for her to figure out who else to endorse, and start angling for Treasury Sec, Fed Chair, CFPB chair, or something like that.

  

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219. "agree 100%"
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>People will spin this as if she was going around looking for
>affirmative action. But from what I understand in both these
>cases the identity is just for institutional bookkeeping and
>wasn't even filled out until after the fact (that is, after
>she was hired by Harvard, and after she was admitted to the
>Bar).
>
>It sounds like both of these cases were just her playing out
>some family legend that she liked. A lot of people *think*
>they have native ancestry, and a lot of people exaggerate what
>little they have. I smh that someone as smart as her would go
>so far as to flatly call herself "American Indian," though.
>That's approaching Dolezal level.

Yeah, it really does seem like some family pride legend shit that, apparently, got out of hand.

And, yes, she looks fairly stupid on this.

>
>Obviously she wasn't planning to enter politics. As much as I
>like the idea of an academic in the Presidency, I didn't see
>how she would overcome this when it was just the one case. By
>now I think it's time for her to figure out who else to
>endorse, and start angling for Treasury Sec, Fed Chair, CFPB
>chair, or something like that.
>

Yep. I was even starting to convince myself recently that maybe she could get past it, at least to make it relatively far in the primary...but...lol.

I agree she should figure out who to endorse, and I am pretty interested to see who that would be actually.

  

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220. "Dems are so quick to savage their own champions"
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Think of everything that Trump said/did en route to the Presidency - and none of it thwarted his ascent.

This is really not that big of a deal. Is it unsightly and unfortunate? Yes - but should it disqualify her? Absolutely not.

If this is the worst thing people can unearth about Warren - then she's essentially flawless.

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221. "True."
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>Think of everything that Trump said/did en route to the
>Presidency - and none of it thwarted his ascent.
>
>This is really not that big of a deal. Is it unsightly and
>unfortunate? Yes - but should it disqualify her? Absolutely
>not.
>
>If this is the worst thing people can unearth about Warren -
>then she's essentially flawless.
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222. "Standards are higher for Dems"
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Is it horse shit? Yes.

Is it fair? No.

Is it worth the risk in 2020? Absolutely not.


Trump has to lose. I’m not gambling that Amerikkka
will think about this as reasonably as you just
put it.

I should also add I don’t trust her/her teams political
instinct on this issue.

Releasing the test on some “see!” was slap your
forehead stupid. Played right into his hand, rather
than clapping back on important issues.

  

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226. "I agree that it's been poorly handled. "
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>Releasing the test on some “see!” was slap your
>forehead stupid. Played right into his hand, rather
>than clapping back on important issues.

It was really bad - but I just think that every candidate is going to have something dug up from the closet. If this is the worst thing that she has from her past? I don't think it should be viewed at as such a cardinal sin.


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225. "RE: This is really not that big of a deal"
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?

Even if you don't think the actual issue is a big deal, the way that she has handled this does not bode well for someone that wants to lead the country

On the issue itself, Harvard was actively advertising her as a MINORITY hire

i.e. that position could have gone to an actual minority

Tell POC it's not that big of a deal...

...and now we learn she was presenting herself as native american since 1984...

Why lie?

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227. "RE: This is really not that big of a deal"
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I'm agreeing w/ it being a bad look - but I'd like to see us defend our progressive champions with bit more fervor. I personally wouldn't want to dismiss her decades of important work for this one blunder (which is an unsightly one).

Also - my understanding is that her family raised her w/ the understanding that she was part Native American (without knowing how much of it was in her ancestry). If that's the case, I don't want to crucify her for claiming that when it was part of her family's oral history (even though it later turned out to be largely inaccurate).

But yes - it is a bad look - but in the grand scheme of things when our political opponents are playing hardball and ruthless in their propping up of all these bad actors and horrible human beings, I don't think it serves us to be so outraged against our progressive champions for something like this.


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229. "I think you need to look into the issue a little deeper"
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https://www.democracynow.org/2018/10/18/sen_warrens_claim_to_native_heritage

Her ethnicity...changes...?

Do you think her claim of native american is valid...based on a story her mother told her?

Mayne, if I started telling people and officially identifying as Asian, because my Momma told me a story...GTFOH.

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246. "I've looked into it - and it's not a good look"
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but I still don't think it should be so disqualifying. I'm much more concerned with a candidate that is compromised by corporate/veiled interests than I am of Warren - someone who has been fighting for people for decades and made one (stupid) blunder.

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you open yourself for death by a papercut.

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232. "when you plant your flag on the moral highground this is what happens."
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you open yourself for death by a papercut.

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228. "Wow Folks are falling for "But Her Emails" all over again. "
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We really do get the politicians we deserve.


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230. "im starting to get really annoyed with this story"
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i think shes handled it poorly but.....who cares??

this coverage is about to turn me into a full on warren supporter out of spite, forget the irk lol

  

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Stadiq
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231. "Huh? She lost, yeah?"
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“But her emails”?

Clinton lost. For a variety of reasons. Had the Dems ran
an actual primary, maybe we get a stronger candidate.

Had we been able to openly debate her faults and compare
her to a realistic alternative, maybe Trump isn’t POS.

“Let’s not think/talk about what could cause a Dem candidate
to lose an election” isn’t a winning strategy.

Do we want to win, or die on a high ground of morals
and/or loyalty??

Bottom line is this most likely hurts her in the general.

And it gives Trump a go to deflection.

I’d like to win, not take risks cuz politics is fucked up.



We really do get the politicians we deserve.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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legsdiamond
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234. "I’m warming up to KH"
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shut up already, damn

  

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legsdiamond
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235. "RE: I’m warming up to KH"
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Not trying to run around defending another white women who will surely lose because they aren’t built for this.

shut up already, damn

  

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249. "The problem is this, like the emails, is a completely manufactured"
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controversy. EW never attempted to trade off being a Native American or seek some advantage because of it. Knowing that half the light skin Ninjas with good hair I grew up were running around talking about they were part Indian, I have no problem believing that EW grew up thinking she was part Indian because her people told her so.

There were a GAZILLION stories about HRC emails during the whole time that Trump was lying about Russia. Why because the Media was complicit in pushing that bullshit narrative and we all lapped that shit up by focusing on the way a politician fumbled handling a bullshit scandal.



>“But her emails”?
>
>Clinton lost. For a variety of reasons. Had the Dems ran
>an actual primary, maybe we get a stronger candidate.
>
>Had we been able to openly debate her faults and compare
>her to a realistic alternative, maybe Trump isn’t POS.
>
>“Let’s not think/talk about what could cause a Dem
>candidate
>to lose an election” isn’t a winning strategy.
>
>Do we want to win, or die on a high ground of morals
>and/or loyalty??
>
>Bottom line is this most likely hurts her in the general.
>
>And it gives Trump a go to deflection.
>
>I’d like to win, not take risks cuz politics is fucked up.
>
>
>
>We really do get the politicians we deserve.
>>
>>
>>**********
>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>
>>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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legsdiamond
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233. "Nah, it’s just the story that she handled poorly and lied about. "
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It’s a ridiculous story and one she should’ve been ready to handle once she entered politics and thought about being President.

She should already be on TV squashing this story by attacking Trump.

Get out there and spin this like a good politician

shut up already, damn

  

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236. "Right"
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And I like Warren, but the fact that she/her team aren’t
ready with some Pelosi-like clap backs is very concerning

Before you can be a great president, you have to be a
great candidate.

  

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237. "she definitely needs to dead it now"
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should had before but its so dumb

i mean this post started off complaining that she didnt want to do the DNA test. then she does the test and she got 10x the blowback.

this wont affect who i vote for in the primary but there is definitely a similarity to the emails.

  

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242. "It’s a ridiculous story. "
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It should’ve never got this far

shut up already, damn

  

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238. "Yup. it's a non-issue that she somehow managed to make worse "
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It's a completely unimportant thing so it's hard to wrap my head around how someone so bright would do something as boneheaded as that DNA test release and treating it like she dunked on Trump

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239. "i dont get why politicians dont know how the media cycle works now."
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the more you deny or deflect...the longer it lives and writes itself into new episodes.

just admit it. kill the story in its tracks. people/media get bored and move on to the next fascination.

bonus points for getting out in front of it before the media defines you by it.

your opponent might try to bring it up later on...but theres very little appetite for dead news among the public.

people dont really give a shit about half this stuff anyway. until you start hemming and hawing and looking like an idiot.

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245. "I always think about if Obama hadn't admitted to drug use in his youth,"
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that *could* have messed him up. Coke, no less. But that was baked into his equation from before he ran, so it was a complete non-issue.

  

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247. "When you put it out first it takes away the sting"
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shut up already, damn

  

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Reeq
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248. "yup that was kinda groundbreaking at the time."
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cuz it was in contrast to bill clinton claiming he smoked weed and never inhaled.

repubs, the clinton campaign, and the media said it would jeopardize his run for president.
even bob johnson (bet founder)...who was a clinton supporter...tried to passive-aggressively make it an issue.

in the end...nobody gave a fuck.

if it had looked like something he was tryna hide tho...shit would have haunted him throughout his entire campaign.

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sosumi
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240. "so upsetting, was there not an "other" category" in the 80s..."
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I really appreciate her policy knowledge but this is some self-hating mess
just be white, geez

didn't she win the Mass election because her opponent made fun of this before 45 did...
had to know it was coming

every other Black american was told we had "Indian" in the family
but still checked the "appropriate" box

  

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243. "She’s white"
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>
>every other Black american was told we had "Indian" in the
>family
>but still checked the "appropriate" box

Absolutely... lol

shut up already, damn

  

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244. "Basically, lol. She's got as much NA blood as anyone with roots"
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in colonial or frontier US history. Which includes all Bee-lacks and alot of southern whites. By that standard, we'd all have the right to mark ourselves as NA on run of the mill administrative registration forms.

  

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250. "still trying to figure out what she actually did."
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you already knew she claimed the heritage, so

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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251. "Will she run as our first Native American presidential candidate (c) 45"
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Should put the issue into perspective

If she truly believes her family story
Truly believes the DNA test validates her claim
and she's been self identifying as native american since 1984


Why isn't she running as the first Native American candidate?

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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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252. "what turnip truck is missing one of the rotten, bruised trash turnips?"
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cuz you fell off that motherfucker and hit every rock


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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253. "RE: what turnip truck is missing one of the rotten, bruised trash turnip..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCFdOOUDtM

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254. "lol"
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