legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Fri Feb-16-18 02:04 PM
"How come women can’t say “I’m wrong I apologize” "
Gotdamn. Even when they are wrong they try to find a way to flip it and make you feel like you wrong for pointing out they fucked up.
Happy Friday.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Fri Feb-16-18 02:10 PM
2. "Maybe... but as a married man" In response to Reply # 1
just sayin’
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Fri Feb-16-18 02:19 PM
4. "Last time we had a discussion about something I fucked up" In response to Reply # 3 Fri Feb-16-18 02:21 PM by legsdiamond
Ain’t no buts...
If I fucked up... i will admit it because the buts and wells just drag out my fuck up. I like to get that shit out the way.
At work. I totally fucked up matching a PMS color and it made my boss look like an ass. When he pulled me into his office and asked WTF I simply owned that shit. I think it threw him off. Why am I going to draw shit out so I reeeeaaallly look like an ass?
Another guy was wrong yesterday and fought for 30 minutes. Had 2 meetings about it and finally admitted his mistake. Then he spent another 30 minutes trying to joke the guy who was right. Got to a point where the whole office was like “damn dude.. you really can’t take being wrong can you?”
We’ve lost countless hours at this gig because folks don’t want to admit they were wrong. Digging through files and old emails trying to find a needle in a haystack just to save face. I prefer to work on the solution instead of spending hours arguing about who was wrong.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Fri Feb-16-18 02:34 PM
11. "it used to be hard but I realized being put on display was worse" In response to Reply # 10
than just owning shit.
Now, there are definitely times I push back when I "think" I'm not wrong and after a discussion I see it clearer...
but when I know I'm wrong? That's kinda.. childish, lol.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
27. "Ownership can be magic. I once escaped a strong arm robbery charge as a ..." In response to Reply # 4
So when I was 13 I strangled this kid and took $50 from him.
I did it to buy food because we hadn't eaten in a few days. The cop came out and asked me what happened. I just told him the truth: I choked him out took his money. I showed the cop the receipt for the food ad everything.
The cop was surprised that I copped to it and said he was ready to haul me off, and if I'd given him some bullshit story that's what would have happened. He said I'd get a summons for a court date and probably wind up doing community service.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
5. "If the stakes are high and she really, seriously cares, she'll " In response to Reply # 0
at least try.
I just went through this. She really tried, but she couldn't resist subtly trying to put things back on me. Knowing what I know about how women argue, I accepted that as being as good as I was going to get.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Fri Feb-16-18 02:37 PM
13. "can I get a MY BAD? AWE DAMN? " In response to Reply # 5
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Fri Feb-16-18 02:30 PM
9. "I think they really believe this tho" In response to Reply # 7
Has to be..
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
29. "yeah, that aint true either lol" In response to Reply # 19 Fri Feb-16-18 04:19 PM by tariqhu
but every disagreement isn't a challenge.
the key for me is that it comes back to the team we're supposed to be and to not make it a battle of the sexes. we just gotta work through differences at times. and respect each in the process.
69. "I see it differently..." In response to Reply # 29
Leg’s comment itself is broad so my response will be...
I believe when a woman won’t take ownership of her action it’s because there’s an underlying issue in the relationship...with the man. when we respect you, respect your opinion..admitting fault is not problem.
73. "I think this is part of the problem." In response to Reply # 69
we (people) tend to always blame the other side. if the reasoning is, he did this because he's a man or she did that because she's a woman, it doesn't take into account all the other variables of the situation. it puts us at odds right off the bat and many times limits how we thing through issues.
as far as the OP, I don't see this as a respect thing at all. sometimes folks don't feel like they should apologize, don't feel like they're wrong, or just blind to the other person's feeling. these things happen when folks get upset about stuff and turn into defensive mode.
>as far as the OP, I don't see this as a respect thing at all. >sometimes folks don't feel like they should apologize, don't >feel like they're wrong, or just blind to the other person's >feeling. these things happen when folks get upset about stuff >and turn into defensive mode.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Mon Feb-19-18 11:06 AM
75. "I kept it broad because it was a friday..lol" In response to Reply # 69
its like if there is one escape hatch but the password is "I'm sorry, I was wrong" most women would just choose go down with the ship.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
>I believe when a woman won’t take ownership of her action >it’s because there’s an underlying issue in the >relationship...with the man. when we respect you, respect >your opinion..admitting fault is not problem. >
...in so much as it implies that a woman would knowingly participate in a relationship with a man that she doesn't respect which in-and-of-itself is ridiculous. You helped Legs prove his point right out the gate by blaming a woman's lack of ownership on something OTHER than her own volition(choice/will).
At essence, that basically means that you pulled this response out of your ass as a reactionary defensive-mechanism as opposed to actually *thinking about the matter brought forth.
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
93. "RE: we don’t challenge men we respect..." In response to Reply # 19 Thu Feb-22-18 12:26 PM by Selah
*its crazy how we can still do gender warz with like 2 or 3 actual (?) women left*
my observation (pre-this post)
women, when running hot (read: are feeling you) they will give you aburd levels of the benefit of the doubt and tolerate a WHOLE lotta foolishness. all that ride-or-die, us against the world bonnie and clyde, TRY-to-be-your-superwoman (this steeze here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q0P94wyBYk)
to me, there is nothing a purely beautiful in nature as a woman in love
BUT...
if she turns on you. its your worst nightmare.
you will get one of three options: 1. she will leave and burn it all to the ground on the way out (thin line between love and hate). this is what produces the fruit exemplified by infinite "woman scorned" tales like Waiting to Exhale (Angela Basset burning up clothes and cars in lingerie) or You Better Think (Aretha in Blues Brothers) 2. she will stay, but not give you more than one iota of the bare minimum of her anything - until she finds a better option and bounces or fed up enough that option one kicks in (she'll keep you around for whatever value you might have - no need to be alone or broke, but applications are officially being taken) 3. she will leave with the blood-oath-to-self commitment to make the rest of your days a living hell because "you ain't @#$%^&" (despite the fact that she actually WAS with you for whatever period - this is always explained as having been tricked)
>**sips tea**
I pondered this (the respect thing) on yesterday, because on some level it resonated
so decided to do a little polling
i explained this post and then asked six different women (across age groups from early 20s to early 70s) if what was said above (the respect thing as it relates to challenge) was true, and
*EVERY* *LAST* *ONE* agreed
scientific? no enough of a sample size to declare as true? no
but telling nonetheless (to me anyway, based on the level of respect I have relative to those I asked))
fellas, we would learn a quite a bit about women if we listened to them a little more
now every woman is different (so there is no "all women..." anything), but when a bunch say something ya might wanna give it some credence - if for no other reason than the IDEA is in the air and is feeding your context
96. "of course they'll answer yes." In response to Reply # 93
it sounds good but its meme type material. it's not something to live by. just like the lines of any other saying. most of them hold no water.
but that notion of not challenging a man you respect means that she's just there to follow his orders. like he's doing everything the right way and she never needs to say anything or go against him. pretty much saying she has no voice.
in my experience, that's just not how relationships work. both parties will put challenges in the air. they'll learn and grow from those and move forward.
50. "Naw, majority of the time, ya'll ninjettes is dead-wrong." In response to Reply # 6
...We men just don't have the desire to argue over trivial bullshit so we'll letchall wrong azz mofoz have it to avoid a frivolous skirmish on some, "Choose yo battle" steez!
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
14. "A woman told me recently I apologize too much.." In response to Reply # 0
apologizing for simple shit and I realized, I was pretty fucking conditioned from my last relationship to always be apologizing for everything. Was it that I was fucking up that much, or as you said - even if she was in the wrong, somehow, someway there was something I did or didn't do that contributed to her doing whatever the hell it was. The more I thought about it, she never apologized for anything - even if I plainly laid out how it made me feel, "Well give me examples.", "So I guess I'm a bad person now.", etc. Happy wife, happy life? Let me chill...I'm getting triggered right now.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Fri Feb-16-18 02:47 PM
15. "so I guess I'm a bad person now? " In response to Reply # 14
bruhhhhhhh, that has to be the oldest play in their handbook.
When all else fails and a nigga has you on the ropes and you feel an apology may be on the horizon hit him with the "I guess I'm a bad/shitty/terrible person now?"
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
86. "Straight like dat." In response to Reply # 16 Wed Feb-21-18 01:09 PM by NoDrawls McGraw
Its a residual-effect of pussy-pedestalization.
Lack of accountability has long been their achilles heel and I've mentioned that shit on these boards for years. Matter-fak, thats partly the reason for GD's female-flight(another thing I mentioned here before).
OKJawns dipped out specifically because ninjaz was callin them out on their collective bullshit and holding them *accountable, dem birds couldn't take that and fled(not all but some, there were some phenomenal Ladiez here that were balanced, I'm referring to the not-so-balanced ones who weren't getting pampered enough). Women, in general, hate too acknowledge their shit-stinkery(c).
Sadly, when ^this gets called out for what it is, frail feeble-minded mofos start gettin in their feelings.
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
I think sometimes men are socialized to receive apologies, to be the stoic stone while the women is being emotional, to garner a sense of masculinity from that, and when women use that to our advantage it is perceived as being non-apologetic.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Fri Feb-16-18 04:03 PM
26. "Yup. I’m talking about relationship type shit" In response to Reply # 21
SO proves you wrong or points out a major fuck up.
Women aren’t quick to fall on that sword. They will hit you with the “so I guess I’m a terrible person”
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
Right NAH, I got Aunties(more than 1) that I don't speak to because they fucked me over without ever apologizing. And the shit that they did is "forgiveable" so long as dem heffaz simply take accountability and apologize. But.....uh..........NOPE!
Accountability/ownership-of-your-fuckery is far too difficult for women.
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
25. "i'm here with ya bro, but" In response to Reply # 0
its one of those choose your battles scenarios.
our strength is knowing they aren't going to apologize and fortifying ourselves against that, adapting, and then hitting them with the combo breaker down the line.
ate a lot of shit in my marriage, but when she is dead ass wrong(which is not often, lol) she will apologize and own it. she knows that finishing move is coming and wants no parts so she owns it early. and vice versa.
31. "Some women feel they have the moral highground in most situations" In response to Reply # 0
just by virtue of being a woman. That makes the self awareness, humility, and relinquishing of that position necessary for an apology extremely difficult. Thinking it through, it makes sense why they would deflect. Although not always wholly enacted, there is a measure of accountability and integrity (manning up) that goes into rearing boys that I think may make apologizing easier for us in the name of manhood and "completing the mission" - whatever it may be.
auragin_boi Member since Aug 01st 2003 20939 posts
Fri Feb-16-18 04:42 PM
33. "It takes YEARS to get her to the point where she'll cop," In response to Reply # 0
off bat, to being wrong, if she's a good one and she does indeed love you. lol
I'm like a lawyer with it. I use her words against her. That's given me some success there.
It's to the point where a 20 minute argument has been trimmed to a 4 minute discussion. Took 5 yrs for it to get there. And that doesn't mean there isn't a relapse from time to time depending on the disagreement.
The key to keeping it going though...once you get the apology, forgive her and move on. You linger on it or bring it back up later (unless it's a repeat issue) and you're working backward.
38. "My lady's like 50/50 with apologies..." In response to Reply # 0 Fri Feb-16-18 08:54 PM by flipnile
Half the time she'll apologize and move on, but the other half of the time she just can't do it. I'm not mad at her tho, my ratio is probably even worse, like 25/75. I usually hit her with a "Look, babe... I love you. Let us move on from this unpleasantness..."
41. "you ain't never lied, and every woman in this post is delusional." In response to Reply # 0
(of course i'm only speaking of relationship stuff)
when my wife is wrong it doesn't even matter what we were arguing/fighting/debating about...the problem ends up being that she can't just apologize for being wrong.
it must come from the whole "men ain't shit"/"all men are dogs"/"all men cheat"/etc. thing that goes on in society. men are pre-judged to have done wrong in a relationship.
42. "One of life's great mysteries. I know this feeling all to well. " In response to Reply # 0
*Disclaimer - please know I don't obviously feel ALL women are like this. Just sharing my experience.
A month or so ago I confronted my soon to be ex-wife about her lack of responsibility in staying out late multiple times within a 3 day stretch. Stayed out to 3am on school night (we have 2 young kids) and then the following Sat night stayed out til a little past 5am. Both times - no checking in/texting to give me a heads up that she'll be way late. Mind you this a woman who I could barely convince to stay up past 10pm when we were together on vacation with no obligations.
When I confronted her about how irresponsible she was she got indignant and it took her several minutes to even muster up an apology or acknowledge how what she did could be perceived as wrong. She was like "I'm sorry if it offended you, but stop treating me like I killed someone."
Granted she did change her ways, but shiiiit. You can't just apologize and do better without trying to deflect and play the victim??? That's one aspect of the relationship I certainly will not miss.
53. "And there it is..." In response to Reply # 42
They'll be CLEARLY inna wrong and still manage to play victim.
That is the single most uncanny element of female-wiring.
You be like, "How da fuck was you made like that?"
Heffaz will cold GeorgeBush da button on a Nuke, den after a city gets wiped-off da map, look atchu and say, "Well, you shouldn't have made the buttons pink, otherwise I wouldn't've played with it!"...*files nails*.....
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
44. "Wow. There's a lot of immature, petty, wannabe grown people in this thre..." In response to Reply # 0
In the only relationship I've had I apologized for:
Pushing him away Leading him to believe I didn't appreciate him All the times I must have made him feel less than (didn't realize it at the time)
The funny thing is my dad raised me this way. I expect nothing less in relationships.
Some of the stories you all are telling in here... I could not deal with that level of immaturity in a relationship. Either own your shit or stop trying to build with me.
I can't seriously deal with men or women in lala land who insist on being oblivious to the effects of their actions.
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
56. "Women are justified in being offended by this post tho." In response to Reply # 55
Men are saying "women" in general based on intimate/sexual relationships as if they have an equal amount of experience in intimate relationships with men. When I listen to women talk about apologizing in relationships, many of them say about men exactly what men are in here saying about them.
If we wanna talk anecdotal evidence, my father never apologized for some very shady shit he did to me. My mother apologized once (albeit her offenses were countless). I've been with women who did and women who didn't. I've never been in intimate relationships with men tho. Maybe some of the guys in here can fill me in on how their boyfriends were better at apologizing than their girlfriends.
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
65. "RE: lol you've been doing it wrong the whole time. Out here apologizing..." In response to Reply # 63
>when clearly it's not a requirement. > > You've never come across as a person with good character when it came to relationships, so I'm not surprised by your response.
74. "I don't think that's me but I'll C my way out of this discussion" In response to Reply # 65
>>when clearly it's not a requirement. >> >> >You've never come across as a person with good character >when it came to relationships, >so I'm not surprised by your response.
This is a somewhat light hearted discussion from my perspective. But it's ignorant for me to think everyone sees it the same way.
If you believe in 80/20 or any similar concept, this is just part of my 20, and I find it amusing that so many other men in relationships relate.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
45. "It's because a lot of you men say yes dear for the pussy." In response to Reply # 0
After reading the responses in here.
Quick to end the argument and "let it go" or let her win on some bigger man stoic type jazz but then come back to this message board when she's not around to vent and stew cause...
46. "I don't think that's it. It's a valid complaint that many of us have " In response to Reply # 45
observed and/or experienced. I don't think that makes any of us pushovers, bitter, weak, etc.
Now I will say this. Generally speaking, I think women put up with far more shit than men do. Even though that has not been my experience, I can admit that in general, women do put up with more bs.
I don't like to deal in absolutes, but it's been my experience that women in general struggle more with admitting they're wrong and apologizing. This doesn't mean I love women any less, just an observation.
47. "Believe it or not..." In response to Reply # 46
When I did apologize to my ex He turned around and said it was his fault for not giving me what I needed, on some no, no, no... This was me too...
I'm like thanks but I'm apologizing here. You did shit, but I did shit too. Wrong is wrong. If I see I owe you an apology for my inconsideration, disrespect, etc... I'm giving you one.
So I see what you are saying but I do think in some cases with some men, it hurts or they don't like to see their lady apologize to them, even if she was wrong, especially if he had a hand in creating or sustaining the rift.
Just raise your daughters to be fully accountable for their actions. They will be better for it.
Some of the women described in this thread sound like spoiled daddy's girls that were told they could do no wrong. No self awareness.
52. "Truth is, most men will feel vulnerable and perhaps minimize" In response to Reply # 47
the issue if they feel the woman is being sincere in her apology.
Or it could be you were with a very agreeable man. I've been guilty of this in the past (and still to a degree still am). Because of my current experience and what I've been through these past several months, I can no longer be that guy. That doesn't mean I will be bitter, angry, resentful. It just means I'll be more assertive in speaking up for my needs and have less tolerance for people who can't admit they're wrong when called out.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Sat Feb-17-18 12:57 PM
57. "It’s not a good idea to keep pressing someone to admit a mistake" In response to Reply # 52
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
61. "Truth is, most men will feel vulnerable and perhaps minimize" In response to Reply # 52
>the issue if they feel the woman is being sincere in her >apology.
Yes. I think it is kinda akin to how some men can't punish their daughters when they do wrong cause they don't like upsetting their precious babies. Emotion and love clouding better judgement or making room for a toxic relationship dynamic in the future.
>Or it could be you were with a very agreeable man.
This too. It was a problem when I could see his body language failing to align with his words. I don't want anyone I love or care about to ever feel I was unapologetic about hurting them. At times I had to override his attempt to minimize and show him that I understood the consequences of hurting him the way I did.
>guilty of this in the past (and still to a degree still am). >Because of my current experience and what I've been through >these past several months, I can no longer be that guy. That >doesn't mean I will be bitter, angry, resentful. It just >means I'll be more assertive in speaking up for my needs and >have less tolerance for people who can't admit they're wrong >when called out.
Good for you. It may hurt and make you feel uncomfortable but people need to know how to treat you.👍
auragin_boi Member since Aug 01st 2003 20939 posts
Mon Feb-19-18 10:22 AM
72. "I think this is the crux of it for most men" In response to Reply # 61 Mon Feb-19-18 10:25 AM by auragin_boi
>>guilty of this in the past (and still to a degree still am). > >>Because of my current experience and what I've been through >>these past several months, I can no longer be that guy. >That >>doesn't mean I will be bitter, angry, resentful. It just >>means I'll be more assertive in speaking up for my needs and >>have less tolerance for people who can't admit they're wrong >>when called out. > >Good for you. It may hurt and make you feel uncomfortable but >people need to know how to treat you.👍
And I think you're response was dead on Meadow. But a LOT of men don't learn about relationships from men who've been successful in them. We get "happy wife, happy life" which is simple enough but that doesn't come with instructions on how to value ones self in that equation.
If her never apologizing keeps the peace...then what?
On top of that, it's just flat out foreign language to some guys to be able to articulate "hey, you have to acknowledge my feelings before we can move forward". Like MM was saying, without that guidance, we're pretty much punching in the dark on how to handle these things.
I truly believe it takes some failure at relationships to figure out 'I won't compromise on having someone who will be accountable'. ESPECIALLY when there are more women out there this way than not. My wife (second), is super dope but even she needed growth in this area. I showed her the post and even though she's grown a lot, she still felt like she had to go 'defense' mode a little. I never compromise on accountability and it's something I'm willing to walk over. I think once that was understood and I learned how to communicate my needs with her, we were much better for it.
As awesome as women can be, a LOT of them could give a damn about our 'feelings' and definitely less about them when we are telling them they are wrong.
"Ouch! Babe, you stepped on my toe." "MAN UP N*GGA!"
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
85. "For me, it's a different P....peace." In response to Reply # 45
I'd rather stabilize the situation rather than seek the satisfaction of an apology. If it's to the point where an apology is owed (and she realizes it), then it's academic at that point and I'd rather move on with life. ______________________________ http://i.imgur.com/v2ye7l2.jpg
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Mon Feb-19-18 09:15 AM
71. "I got a “I’m sorry for this” followed by “but I’m not sorry fo..." In response to Reply # 67
Ok. This was never about XYZ but thanks for the heads up.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
78. "RE: How come women can’t say “I’m wrong I apologize” " In response to Reply # 0
>Gotdamn. Even when they are wrong they try to find a way to >flip it and make you feel like you wrong for pointing out they >fucked up. > >Happy Friday. > >
That princess is pretty much always going to be in another castle. Really, regardless of gender, folks aren't quick to issue full-hearted 'my bad, big dawg'. AKA I think you better let it go. And in relationships? In the heat of the moment? Shiiiid.
82. "Because "howboutism" is the easiest way to win." In response to Reply # 0
You get so bogged down in going tit-for-tat, that the original point gets lost. Even if she WAS wrong, you're now arguing about who left the mustard jar open back in 2006.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
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