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"Voters dont care abt nothing but the economy. Repub+Trump approval way u..."
Wed Feb-14-18 10:24 AM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

  

          

Democrats were celebrating being up 10 about 2 months ago. Now they are down to the GOP for the first time in a while.
Trump has 47% approval

Memos, Russia, wife beating staffers, porn star payments. None of that matters in terms of election prospects. Normal people aren't following the news like that to care

Tax cuts were a shot of adrenaline to Republicans and Trump. They are selling them hard and folks are receptive.
If Democrats don't get their own spin on the cuts to take hold quick, they are in big trouble

Drop the memos stuff. Don't take the bait on Trump's lawyer's porn star payment. Be laser focused on the consequences of the tax cuts and only that.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/trump-polling-democrats-republicans-407315

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RE: Voters dont care abt nothing
Feb 14th 2018
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Meh Democrats on Tuesday won yet another special election
Feb 14th 2018
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They just wanted a W
Feb 14th 2018
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True
Feb 14th 2018
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dems have flipped ~40 seats since trump was elected.
Feb 14th 2018
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      and even those early losses were nail biters
Feb 14th 2018
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           yup.
Feb 14th 2018
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                he's going to be an Ambridge, PA.
Feb 14th 2018
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                     i think they might actually be cooling off on trump.
Feb 14th 2018
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                          It's all about perception
Feb 14th 2018
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                               but it isnt really *all* about perception tho.
Feb 14th 2018
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                                    Someone posted about a small rust belt town in PA
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                                         the media fascination with 'still sticking with trump' voters
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i thought winning the first time makes you hungrier to do it a 2nd time
Feb 14th 2018
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      they said va was gonna be close and doug jones was gonna lose.
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           That was then, this is now (and the future)
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                dems are winning by a wider margin in 2018 than in 2017 tho.
Feb 14th 2018
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RE: Meh Democrats on Tuesday won yet another special election
Feb 14th 2018
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yeah the op is wrong. voters do care about those other issues.
Feb 14th 2018
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      2016 polling was pretty accurate
Feb 14th 2018
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It's a long way until November and I think Republicans have the momentum
Feb 14th 2018
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      what tangible areas are you seeing this repub momentum in?
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      Message momentum
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           what is message momentum? lol.
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           Dogg..I'm literally just quoting the leader of the senate Democrats lol
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           Are you Denny?
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                lol hell no
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                Nah.. trust me, I was blasted on here for pointing out Hilldawgs weaknes...
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                LoL
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                     https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6YglDndxKdCNw7q8/giphy.gif
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                          Most of this thread
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                               Lol. Yes Schumer, the stalwart Republican
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                                    Naturally don't doing anything crazy like answer the other 5 points
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                                         Reeq: I apologize for being lazy and not responding to each point
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                                              Tax cuts are good
Feb 14th 2018
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      What momentum ? The Porter investigation.
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           Porter thing is only a thing to those whole follow politics on the daily
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                Nah he won with white women
Feb 14th 2018
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                trump approval with women
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                     When was that poll taken? When did Porter resign?
Feb 14th 2018
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Duhh....i keep sayin this is the new normal
Feb 14th 2018
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something really weird is going on with these numbers.
Feb 14th 2018
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has anyone known someone who was polled before?
Feb 14th 2018
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      i think polls are underestimating dems.
Feb 14th 2018
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      ive gotten some political questions on google rewards
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      Well 45 won thanks to the hidden 45 vote
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           I don't think this is a real thing
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           that didnt really happen. its a media myth.
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                So was Hillary having it in the bag and 45 no path to victory
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                     white people voted for the republican candidate
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                          Bill Burr: Racist let Obama win but came out of the forest to stop Hilla...
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Bush senior already told you on September 11th in 91
Feb 14th 2018
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Not to say this isn't a concern, but that poll is a major outlier.
Feb 14th 2018
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It's not the number I'm worried about. It's the trend
Feb 14th 2018
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      Yeah, I'll give you that.
Feb 14th 2018
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      most of that is republicans herding back into the fold
Feb 15th 2018
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anyone see the RNC's trump poll?
Feb 14th 2018
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The SIMPS don't even know what a "good economy" is
Feb 14th 2018
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and the middle class tax cuts are temporary.
Feb 15th 2018
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Momentum-wise, dems/media did blow it on the memos and the shutdowns
Feb 14th 2018
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To OP's point. Nobody cares about that shit.
Feb 14th 2018
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dems still havent caught on to the importance of media manipulation.
Feb 15th 2018
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      Dems are too intelligent for voters
Feb 15th 2018
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           LOL. Yeah, that's it. The Dems are too smart.
Feb 15th 2018
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                LOL
Feb 19th 2018
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                Lmao.. ok, ok... they are too long winded and wordy
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Most Democrats forgot how to talk about this years ago
Feb 15th 2018
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Dems leaders worried they have no message. Focusing too much on Trump (s...
Feb 19th 2018
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imo this obsession with universal/absolute messaging is overblown.
Feb 19th 2018
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Tax cuts are gaining traction. People are coming around to the idea
Feb 19th 2018
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      legislation popularity/approval doesnt necessarily influence votes
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           The Obama stimulus was not popular prior to midterms
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pa supreme court just busted the repub gerrymander too
Feb 19th 2018
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      That can't be the last word on this, can it?
Feb 19th 2018
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           iono we will see i guess.
Feb 19th 2018
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Dem wins Kentucky state House seat in district Trump won by 49 points
Feb 21st 2018
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legsdiamond
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1. "RE: Voters dont care abt nothing"
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these fools don’t even care about the economy. That shit could tank tomorrow and they would blame Obama.

All they care about is winning over a Dem.

You can’t tell them a tax cut doesn’t help them in the long run. That’s not how this works

shut up already, damn

  

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2. "Meh Democrats on Tuesday won yet another special election "
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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/373735-dems-flip-seat-in-florida-state-special-election

Democrats on Tuesday won yet another special election for a state legislative seat once held by a Republican, this time in a battleground seat south of Tampa, Fla.


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/373730-dems-vie-to-win-back-blue-collar-voters-in-pivotal-pa-race



President Trump carried the Pittsburgh-area 18th District by 20 percentage points in 2016, suggesting a tough fight for Democrats. But now Democrat Conor Lamb has an outside chance at winning March 13 special election, thanks to growing energy on the left and a lack of GOP enthusiasm for Republican state Rep. Rick Saccone.

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4. "They just wanted a W"
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Now that they won I don’t think we will see the same enthusiasm until the next Presidential election and that’s only if Hilldawg runs again.

Anyone else besides Michelle Obama should win in 2020.

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5. "True"
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They got tired of taking those L's

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Reeq
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9. "dems have flipped ~40 seats since trump was elected."
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this narrative that they have been constantly losing elections is false. its based purely on like 3 or 4 early high profile elections in deep red districts. the overall picture tells a different tale.

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legsdiamond
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10. "and even those early losses were nail biters"
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and the GOP had to spend heavily to secure seats that should have been cake walks

shut up already, damn

  

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Reeq
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13. "yup."
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spending massive cash and gotta bring in the big guns to campaign just to save these seats.

in this upcoming pa special election...repubs are outspending dems like 17 to 1 and trump is about to campaign there for a 2nd time just to save a seat that trump won by 20 pts and tim murphy ran unopposed the last 2 election cycles. and repubs still might lose.

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16. "he's going to be an Ambridge, PA. "
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Perfect rust belt town with Steel Mills that are closed.

I'm sure these folks will eat it up though even though most of them are white, poor and on welfare.

shut up already, damn

  

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Reeq
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19. "i think they might actually be cooling off on trump."
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which happens when you over promise and under deliver.

as much as trump brags about how well the economy is doing and how business are 'roaring back' into america...shit hasnt changed one bit in these areas.

in fact...theyve seen even more layoffs and foreign steel imports have increased

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/22/business/economy/trump-steel-industry-layoffs.html
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-has-made-life-worse-for-steelworkers-union-chiefs-say-323c748d12ca/

remember carrier? that indiana company whose jobs trump made a big public spectacle about saving? theyve lost like 1000 jobs since then and those employees are pissed at trump now lol.

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22. "It's all about perception"
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Wed Feb-14-18 12:09 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

  

          

There is a reason why Trump on a daily basis has been saying "The economy is strong. Unemployment is at record lows..."

Doesn't matter what's actually happening on the ground. People feel like things are better all around and that Trump is at least partially responsible


https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/charts/2017/12/1513602186_liesman1.jpg

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/18/economic-optimism-soaring-helping-trump-cnbc-survey.html

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Reeq
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29. "but it isnt really *all* about perception tho."
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maybe in terms of answering surveys...but not necessarily in terms of voting.

this is essentially the same economy as obamas right?

but while the economy was doing well overall during obamas last term...it wasnt doing well in those rust belt and rural towns. so even tho the reality was a robust economy...that wasnt *their* reality. and that is why they desperately attached to trump...who talked about how disastrous the economy was for them and spoke to their pain.

clinton won the districts that had the most economic growth. trump won the districts that had the least. this is why.

well guess what? trump is doing the exact opposite now. he is bragging about how booming the economy is but shit hasnt changed in those 'economically anxious' areas his message resonated in. in fact...theyve gotten worse in many cases (factories and coal plants closing). this has a real effect on voters.

in all of these elections...rural turnout has relatively been *down* among voting groups (compared to trumps election). they are already feeling let down by trump/repubs.

election results tell the ultimate tale fam. predictive analysis based on surveys and polls is cool. but nothing supersedes the real behavior of real people voicing their real opinion via a real vote.

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37. "Someone posted about a small rust belt town in PA"
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and how the voters felt a year later.

They admitted he didn’t deliver but still sounded like they were in his corner. I definitely think some were saving face tho. Who wants to admit they were duped by a con man?

As long as it isn’t Hilldawg I think it’s a wrap from Trump in 2020.

shut up already, damn

  

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Reeq
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41. "the media fascination with 'still sticking with trump' voters"
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and going on these caucasoid safaris to ghost towns and small diners just to find them is warping our sense of reality lol.

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6. "i thought winning the first time makes you hungrier to do it a 2nd time"
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or is that just sports.

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Reeq
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17. "they said va was gonna be close and doug jones was gonna lose."
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and we know how those turned out.

when you win...it increases enthusiasm. which increases fundraising and drives more people to run as candidates. which increases chances of winning. which increases enthusiasm. which increases...

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23. "That was then, this is now (and the future)"
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Wed Feb-14-18 12:12 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

  

          

Talking about Doug Jones and VA is akin to Trump talking about his victory in Pennsylvania

A lot has happened between Bama and now

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Reeq
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31. "dems are winning by a wider margin in 2018 than in 2017 tho."
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like dems won a special election in a wisconsin district that trump won by 17 pts...by an almost 30 pt swing lol.

even scott walker was like hold the fuck up lol
https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/953483235509571584

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7. "RE: Meh Democrats on Tuesday won yet another special election "
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^^^^^.....Understands the value of voter excitement.....

The economy is moot for Trump if the GOP base is not more charged up than the Democratic base.....Right now Dem candidates statewide are winning in places they have NEVER won....And when they (Dems) do lose they are closing 15 to 25 point gaps and making it very close in heavily Republican strongholds....

Also, it doesn't help that voters in various polls still credit Obama for our improving economy over 45. But really, it's all about who is more energized is less about Trump's improving numbers (which r still skinny as fuck...)....Right now The Left wants blood....

Oh yeah...Trump just added gasoline to the fire with his lack of commentary on the domestic abuse of three WHITE women by White House official Rob Porter...It's as if 45's crew are oblivious to all of the women who have been winning statewide elections and the Me Too movement....

Political malpractice....

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Reeq
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12. "yeah the op is wrong. voters do care about those other issues."
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which is why dems, indies, and repub defectors are so fired up to vote against trump and the republican party.

the prevailing takeaway in the 2016 election aftermath was that polls dont mean shit after seeing the surprising result of the election.

which makes it weird that folks are now basing their reasoning on polls in spite of actual recent election results lol.

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18. "2016 polling was pretty accurate"
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They got the overall national picture almost spot on. Which is what these polls are doing as well.

It's when you use polls at the state and local level that things start to fall apart

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>the prevailing takeaway in the 2016 election aftermath was
>that polls dont mean shit after seeing the surprising result
>of the election.
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>which makes it weird that folks are now basing their reasoning
>on polls in spite of actual recent election results lol.

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20. "It's a long way until November and I think Republicans have the momentum"
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Yes, it's clear that Democrats have been winning.
But can they keep it up until the big show is the question.

Republicans haven't had anything to hang their hat on until recently. Being able to point to tangible things like tax cuts and a good economy (no matter how deserving of the credit they are) makes a huge difference in perception

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26. "what tangible areas are you seeing this repub momentum in?"
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Wed Feb-14-18 01:05 PM by Reeq

  

          

dem candidates are outraising gop incumbents like crazy.
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/6/16973928/house-democrats-republicans-2018-midterms-fundraising
https://www.cookpolitical.com/analysis/house/house-overview/ratings-changes-21-districts

the 2 dem congressional campaign committees (dccc/dlcc) have outraised their gop counterparts (nrcc/nrsc) by over $30 mil combined. the dem governors association is outraising the gop one handily too.

even beto orourke outraised tea party darling ted cruz last quarter...while accepting zero pac money.

repubs cant even field any quality challengers to vulnerable dem senators in a lot of states that trump won like ohio, north dakota, tennessee, etc. even claire mccaskell...who was thought to be vulnerable...is outraising her next best challenger by like a 2:1 margin. repubs are even begging corker not to retire now so they wont lose the senate seat in tennessee.

the amount of republicans in congress retiring or not seeking re-election is already at a record number, including 9 committee chairmen! (which means they dont expect to be in the majority next year). even trey gowdy is headed for the hills.

repubs are getting beat up and down the ballot at every level of government by wide swing margins in elections dating back through last year. and they have to spend like crazy and bring in outside help just to hold on to safe red seats they have held for decades.

repub party identification is down almost 10% since right before the 2016 election. and women are leaving the party at an alarming rate...creating an overall trump approval gender gap of around 20pts (obama was around 6).

those are *tangible* indicators of the current environment and what even repubs expect to happen in november.

aside from media narrative and poll numbers...where are you seeing signs of this momentum for republicans?

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30. "Message momentum"
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Even Schumer sees it

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/12/chuck-schumer-democrats-cant-just-run-against-trump-in-2018-midterms.html

"You cannot just run against Donald Trump," Schumer said, speaking next to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell at an event at the University of Louisville. "And it is the job of we Democrats to put together a strong, cohesive, economic group of proposals aimed at the middle class and those struggling to get there."

Democrats need to promote policies like cutting the costs of student loans, increasing access to rural broadband and boosting the availability of child care, he argued. Schumer added that his party needs to "focus like a laser" on economic issues.


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Reeq
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33. "what is message momentum? lol."
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the whole 'dems need a unified message' is some rule of thumb that people have latched on to but isnt really based on anything.

when dems had a wave election 2006...what was the party message? nothing really. anti-bush sentiment drove voters.

when repubs had a wave election in 2010...what was the party message? nothing really. anti-obama sentiment drove voters.

and anti-trump sentiment is gonna drive voters in the 2018 midterm elections. it has already driven the historical results/turnouts we have seen in elections thus far. and dems were typically the voter base that tended to stay home in these type of elections.

and saying dems are running on *just* anti-trump shit is being obtuse or willfully dismissive. dems are running on real issues like education, healthcare, gun control, worker protections, climate change, etc. meanwhile repubs are running on nancy pelosi, ms-13, transgender bathrooms, and swamp draining lol.



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45. "Dogg..I'm literally just quoting the leader of the senate Democrats lol"
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39. "Are you Denny? "
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Real talk, you been posting real suspect lately.

Is this some reverse psychology posting?

Damn near everything you are posting is the exact opposite of what’s happening.

shut up already, damn

  

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42. "lol hell no"
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I'm just calling it how I see it.

I make an effort to avoid the WaPo, NYTimes, CNN bubble. Even though I am decidedly liberal, I watch Fox News from time to time. I'm friends with quite a few conservative/independents on FB. I browse conservative leaning forums.
I want to get a picture of what the other side thinks.

While people here and else were keke-ing about Paul Ryan's gaffe about the teacher getting a Costco membership, there are actual people out there genuinely excited about getting an additional $1000 this year.
There are people that get excited when they hear about those bonuses, even though when you dig they are not what they seem to be.
The GOP's message on tax cuts and the economy is resonating IMO, despite what we think the truth really is.


So while you say I'm talking about the opposite of what's happening, maybe it's because we are seeing completely different things?


>Real talk, you been posting real suspect lately.
>
>Is this some reverse psychology posting?
>
>Damn near everything you are posting is the exact opposite of
>what’s happening.

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52. "Nah.. trust me, I was blasted on here for pointing out Hilldawgs weaknes..."
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but I think that early momentum is gone.

Folks are definitely happy about a little extra cash but I think it’s hollow. They know shit ain’t cute and all these folks being kicked out the WH a week after signing on is a bad look.


I truly believe it’s going to be a bloodbath in November.

shut up already, damn

  

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44. "LoL"
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He going hard for Trump and Republicans.

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46. "https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6YglDndxKdCNw7q8/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6YglDndxKdCNw7q8/giphy.gif

Where? lol

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48. "Most of this thread"
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26 Reeq listed 5 points and you answered with a Schumer quote.

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50. "Lol. Yes Schumer, the stalwart Republican"
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By quoting what Schumer thinks the Democrats should be doing in terms of messaging, I am in the tank for the GOP.

Again:
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6YglDndxKdCNw7q8/giphy.gif

>26 Reeq listed 5 points and you answered with a Schumer
>quote.

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51. "Naturally don't doing anything crazy like answer the other 5 points"
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When Schumer waved off the Dems celebrating as the Obamacare repeal bill failed, it proved Republicans had the momentum on repealing Obamacare.

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53. "Reeq: I apologize for being lazy and not responding to each point"
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I only responded to the part I disagreed with. The rest I agree with (there's really nothing to refute. It's just facts).

This referee thought I should have responded better. So I'm sorry.

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54. "Tax cuts are good"
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Bannon is a genius with a diabolical plan that's working.


Republicans have the momentum

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/373862-trump-i-am-totally-opposed-to-domestic-violence

The White House had also come under mounting pressure from Republicans in Congress to speak out about the issue of domestic violence.

“Clearly we should all be condemning domestic violence,” Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters on Wednesday.

“And if a person who commits domestic violence gets in the government, then there is a breakdown in the vetting system and that breakdown needs to be addressed.”

Ryan is wasting his time the 9 to 5 butcher doesn't care.


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28. "What momentum ? The Porter investigation."
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>Yes, it's clear that Democrats have been winning.
>But can they keep it up until the big show is the question.
>

Same question for the Republican momentum you mentioned. Will it last ?

>Republicans haven't had anything to hang their hat on until
>recently. Being able to point to tangible things like tax cuts
>and a good economy (no matter how deserving of the credit they
>are) makes a huge difference in perception

An extra 1.50 or 36.00 meh

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32. "Porter thing is only a thing to those whole follow politics on the daily"
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Same as the memo business.

As some person getting off work at the meat processing plant about either one and I bet you get shoulder shrugs 70 percent of the time

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34. "Nah he won with white women"
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Republicans can't afford to lose any of those. Everyday his comments are on the front page it's hurting them.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/373844-pence-white-house-could-have-better-handled-porter-situation

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35. "trump approval with women"
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https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/963010628020527105

with college educated white women
https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/963024552547815424

i have no idea why you think none of this matters or why you think every voter in america is some white male with a blue collar job that doesnt watch news lol.

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43. "When was that poll taken? When did Porter resign?"
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I never implied anything about white males. But I think the second part (blue collar job that doesn't watch news (much)) is true about most voters.

>
>i have no idea why you think none of this matters or why you
>think every voter in america is some white male with a blue
>collar job that doesnt watch news lol.

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3. "Duhh....i keep sayin this is the new normal"
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...reason #459549845165 his election was 99.454% tied to race

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8. "something really weird is going on with these numbers."
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trump is ticking up in polls and his approval with republicans is sky high...but republican party affiliation is at an all time low.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

theres a 10 pt gap (22-32) btwn repubs and dems...which is unheard of. when independents are asked if they lean repub or dem...they lean dem by a 15 pt margin!

but polls are polls and not entirely predictive. the real measure is elections.

last night in a special election in florida...dems flipped *another* seat that trump had won by 6 pts in 2016. dems won by 8 for a 14 pt swing. it was a solid red district that has voted republican for prez and downballot for decades. repubs held a significant advantage in voter registration and repubs even turned out to vote around 7% higher than dems. so in order for them dem to win...a significant number of repubs would have had to defect and independents would have had to lean significantly dem. all of that is in line with the gallup party affiliation numbers and in direct contrast to these trump approval numbers and generic ballot numbers.

and these types of dem swings/flips in special elections have been going on all year at a wider margin than even last year.

my guess is that the polling methodology for approval and generic ballot are not accurately accounting for the amount of people who are de-registering from the republican party whenever they extrapolate party data to compensate for any oversampling. so they are basing their estimates on a more concentrated (but ultimately smaller) pool of repub voters.

ie- if trumps approval with people who currently and previously identified as repub is really like 75% but 5% of those repubs claim independent now...then his approval among current repubs who still identify with the party is gonna look like the 80%s now.

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11. "has anyone known someone who was polled before? "
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I've never been polled or knew of anyone. I think poll numbers don't mean shit these days.

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14. "i think polls are underestimating dems."
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older voters (repubs) are more likely to answer landline calls and younger dem voters are harder to reach (cell phones, aversion to voice contact instead of text, etc). plus blacks and latinos heavily trend dem and they aint tryna answer no phone calls from a number they dont recognize lol.

a few pollsters i follow on twitter have thrown this theory out there to account for dems consistently overperforming the polling in recent elections.

people talk about the hidden/ashamed trump vote. but they really might be missing the hidden dem/millenial/minority vote.

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15. "ive gotten some political questions on google rewards"
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im guessing those are part of polls

  

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21. "Well 45 won thanks to the hidden 45 vote"
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lotta 45 voters didn't want to come out and say they were voting for him, the so-called "undecideds"
They were voting for him all along, just didn't want to get labeled as racist/sexist so they shut up or lied about it

  

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25. "I don't think this is a real thing"
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27. "that didnt really happen. its a media myth."
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white voters voted for trump in no greater numbers than romney.

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36. "So was Hillary having it in the bag and 45 no path to victory "
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I know for a fact that my co-workers who went for 45 just STFU and let us believe what we wanted to believe

  

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38. "white people voted for the republican candidate"
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at the same percentage they voted for the last republican candidate.

and trump got almost 3 million less votes than clinton.

there was no hidden trump vote fam lol.

clinton lost by underperforming in a few key areas. trump didnt win by overperforming with some surprise clandestine voter army lol.

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40. "Bill Burr: Racist let Obama win but came out of the forest to stop Hilla..."
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She blew it!!

She had it in the bag and missed the layup.

Hilldawg got lazy IMO.

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24. "Bush senior already told you on September 11th in 91"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxeOG_pZ1o

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47. "Not to say this isn't a concern, but that poll is a major outlier."
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Politico LOVES writing breathless stories about statistical outliers.

The same day Ipsos found Democrats with an 8-pt lead on the generic ballot. And just before, PPP also gave Dems an 8-pt lead.

FiveThirtyEight adjusts the PPP result to a 7-point lead because they've been slightly too favorable to Democrats in the past, but by the same token, Morning Consult has been very favorable to Republicans, so FiveThirtyEight actually adjusts their result to a +3 lead for Dems.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/

  

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49. "It's not the number I'm worried about. It's the trend"
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As indicated by the graph. Dems we're at their peak in December (50-37). And it's been downhill ever since.

This is what I mean by momentum. What is causing the gap to be narrowed. In my opinion it is economics and economic/tax cut messaging

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56. "Yeah, I'll give you that."
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Of course, one can't just assume trend will continue for no reason. (As a physicist, I recoil at the idea of political 'momentum.' There's something like it, but it's much more complex than that.) Trends can change rapidly.

That said, while a trend can change for the better, it's also possible for it to change for the worse. People tend to forget that side.

Like you (I gather), I'm concerned that a kind of 'scandal fatigue' is setting in, that events that have held Trump's ratings down thus far just start to settle into the background.

On the other hand, I'm also a little worried that Dems might do TOO well in the midterms, gain big power in the house, then overstep their mandate and make Trump more popular in 2020 (like the GOP did with the Clinton impeachment, though the timing was different).

I actually think the ideal outcome for removing Trump from office would be for Dems to come CLOSE to taking the house but not quite getting there in 2018. For that to play out we'd NEED the Dem lead in generics to shrink from where it is now. But I'm obviously overthinking it.

  

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61. "most of that is republicans herding back into the fold"
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along with party tightening/concentration i mentioned in reply #8.

republicans hadnt passed any major legislation til the tax cuts. republican voters were weary of congressional republicans ability to come together and do anything. there was also a lot of republican in-fighting in the 1st year. something that drove trump approval among repubs into the mid 70s. this is why there was such a large generic ballot gap.

the rebound is mostly due to congressional repubs and trump unifying and repub voters reacting to that.

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55. "anyone see the RNC's trump poll?"
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lol these fuckers

https://gop.com/rate-trump-job-performance/

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57. "The SIMPS don't even know what a "good economy" is"
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Getting $30 more in a 2week paycheck seems like a win - until you realize the owner of the company is getting $30,000 more - and that when you turn 65 you can't retire and when you get sick there's no medicare funds to help.

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62. "and the middle class tax cuts are temporary. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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58. "Momentum-wise, dems/media did blow it on the memos and the shutdowns"
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The memos was largely on the MSM stupidity

The shutdowns were not framed well and ultimately looked like dems caved instead of negotiated/worked a deal on behalf of their constituents



But overall, the gop march off the cliff continues.

Kelly did a punk 'ill resign if u ask' but the WH is still a circus



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59. "To OP's point. Nobody cares about that shit. "
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60. "dems still havent caught on to the importance of media manipulation."
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when something happens...repubs go silent and then huddle up to get their gameplan on point. then they fan out to cable news, the sunday shows, etc with consistent talking points. sunday show interviews are usually predominated by gop talking heads.

'workhorse not showhorse' was a cutesy/campy slogan for hillary clinton the campaign tried to weave in the election discourse. but it really was accurate and could be applied to democrats in general. theyre much more concerned with spending time crafting actual policy and remedying societal ills with acute legislative prescriptions.
repubs are more concerned with getting elected by rallying their voters through cultural flashpoints and maintaining power via narrative control.

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63. "Dems are too intelligent for voters "
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Long winded and shit. Voters want an elevator pitch. Hell, it’s all they can handle.

So all that “go to my website to see my 40 point plan” shut doesn’t work. You got the mic, it’s hot... speak on it.

Dems should be screaming about how these tax cuts are temporary for the middle class.

shut up already, damn

  

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65. "LOL. Yeah, that's it. The Dems are too smart. "
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*Eyes roll out of my fucking head.*

  

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68. "LOL"
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Chuck Schumer, SUPERGENIUS

  

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75. "Lmao.. ok, ok... they are too long winded and wordy"
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shut up already, damn

  

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Walleye
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64. "Most Democrats forgot how to talk about this years ago"
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>Be laser focused on the consequences of the
>tax cuts and only that.

This extremely good idea requires making a moral argument about our collective responsibilities to each other. But it hasn't been part of the mainstream Democrat toolbox in a long time.

So Trump-and-Putin-sitting-in-a-tree is the argument we get. And maybe an occasional mention of the deficit because the only language Democrats understand is pointing out hypocrisy. But nobody cares about the deficit or hypocrisy.

I always thought it would be a really good idea for baseball teams to make a group of pitchers that just didn't have any chance of panning out. Guys who just don't profile to crack even a high-minors rotation, and explain to them that they were absolutely never going to make it to the major leagues unless they try something incredibly weird, so weird it'd be too risky for a pitcher who actually had potential. These guys could try to become, like, left-handed sidearm knuckleballers or learn to throw a screwball since we decided that pitch just shreds shoulders even before we cared about protecting shoulders. Basically, just see if these guys could shoot the moon* because they're useless otherwise and it's only upside.

That's the Russia investigation. Some otherwise useless Democrats throwing sidearm knuckleballs because the likelihood of them effectively making a strong case that the tax cuts will harm the vast majority of Americans and that the Democrats have an alternate vision that will help people is pretty much zero.

*I have played hearts only once so I have no idea if I'm using this expression correctly

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66. "Dems leaders worried they have no message. Focusing too much on Trump (s..."
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On top of that: Several top Hill Democrats told me they worry too many of their colleagues think they can flip the House just by bashing Trump and talking about Russia. If the focus groups at the retreat showed them anything, it’s that that won’t be enough.
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https://www.axios.com/midterm-migraines-for-the-democrats-1518994813-bff84c4c-4e3c-4f46-a63b-84db98847614.html

Democrats have more midterm anxiety than you might think, given most pundits are confidently predicting Republicans will lose the House.

Two sources with direct knowledge tell me that at the recent Democratic Senate retreat at Mount Vernon, they invited a focus group of voters to discuss the issues they care about and the political landscape.

What the voters kept saying: "Republicans have the wrong agenda; Democrats have no agenda."

A Senate aide told me leadership is acutely aware of this problem, and hopes immigration will fill their agenda gap. Another top Senate aide, however, told me their messaging will highlight a broader set of issues, including pensions, opioid funding, child care, and student loans. They will boast that they moved the ball forward on these issues with the budget deal.

Their toughest challenge: keeping this message from being totally drowned out by coverage of the President’s alleged affairs, the Russia probe, the Robert Porter domestic violence cover-up, and other wild stories. Democrats are aware that cable news producers would much rather air segments on Stormy Daniels than pension reform.

By the way: Hillary Clinton had this problem too. Her campaign staff always bemoaned the fact that the national media showed infinitely more interest in Trump’s JFK conspiracy theories than her white papers on Alzheimer’s.

On top of that: Several top Hill Democrats told me they worry too many of their colleagues think they can flip the House just by bashing Trump and talking about Russia. If the focus groups at the retreat showed them anything, it’s that that won’t be enough.

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67. "imo this obsession with universal/absolute messaging is overblown."
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you just have to tailor good candidates to their districts/states based on the issues that prevail there.

they said doug jones and ralph northam were uninspiring and bad at messaging. they were on the better side of important issues tho (which most dems are).

no dems even run primarily on trump/russia anyway...so im not sure why people keep bringing that up lol. most dems are running against specific gop incumbents and their campaigns are focused there (anti-trump sentiment is more of an undercurrent among the voters).

and after crawling his way up to an approval rating of 40...trump has already fallen down to 37 a week later.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/203207/trump-job-approval-weekly.aspx

obama was more popular than trump in 2010 but still underwater. repubs had no message. shit the tea party ran *against* their own national party just as much they did against dems. and repubs still went on to massive wins because angry voters were motivated to take action. with the resistance, plus #metoo, plus repub defections, plus gun control folks now...theres just way too much energy on the ground for dems. its a cultural shift that transcends typical politics.

midterms are pretty much a direct response to the current presidents popularity. which is why most repub candidates are trying to keep trump the hell away from their campaign...even in states/districts trump won big in.

with that said...dems are ceding a lot of territory on tax cuts. repubs are pumping in a shitload of money and controlling the narrative (with help from pr campaigns from some of the largest corporations playing up their bonuses and wage increases). dems are having a hard time countering that narrative. but they should have constantly been hammering/highlighting all of the republicans who personally benefited from the law they passed to enrich themselves. dems should have made the tax bill the standard bearer for typical washington insider self dealing.

even still...the majority of people still believe the tax cuts mostly benefit the rich (even repubs in swing states like pa). and most credible analysts/strategists think things like the tax cuts and the recent shutdowns wont even be on the radar come november.

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69. "Tax cuts are gaining traction. People are coming around to the idea"
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Largely because of messaging. Someone tells you it's good over and over and over again. Sooner or later you're going to start believing them.

I think tax cuts are going to be one of the main things on people's heads come November. Increase someone's take home pay by $1200, they are definitely gonna remember. Pointing out that rich people got more isn't going to upset too many people as long as they get theirs

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Mr. Cohen cautioned that the bill still was not particularly popular, and opposition among Democrats remained strong. Still, support has grown even among Democrats, from 8 percent just before the bill passed in December to 19 percent this month. For Democrats, Mr. Cohen said, running on opposition to the bill has become more of a political gamble.

“It’s less of a sure bet than it seemed in December,” he said. “This isn’t a problem yet for Democrats, but the movement isn’t a positive one.”
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/business/economy/tax-overhaul-survey.html

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Reeq
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72. "legislation popularity/approval doesnt necessarily influence votes"
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the obama stimulus had around a 60+ approval with great press from the auto industry comeback. the large majority of americans polled thought his actions were great for the economy. folks got tax cuts *and* an immediate set of new/increased tax deductions.

still got wiped out in the midterms lol. cuz the away team came in fired up more than the home team. the same thing will happen here.

the only thing that has really kept republicans relevant in a lot of elections is that the dem base is largely made up of low propensity voters who sit out a lot of elections other than ones in presidential years. that has obviously changed.

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73. "The Obama stimulus was not popular prior to midterms"
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Mainly because they didn't sell it

https://www.politico.com/story/2010/04/poll-stimulus-didnt-help-036544

Nearly two-thirds of Americans do not believe the $787 billion stimulus package the president passed last year has helped create jobs, according to a new Pew Research Center poll.

Sixty-two percent of those polled said the stimulus hasn’t contributed to job creation, while 33 percent said the package has.

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70. "pa supreme court just busted the repub gerrymander too"
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with a remedial map that favors dems a lot more than the old map.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/pennsylvania-gerrymandering-supreme-court-map-congressional-districts-2018-elections-20180219.html

dems could easily pick up 4 additional seats strictly based on new lines alone and gain 1/6 of the seats they need for a house majority from a state that was supposed to be heavily tilted against them in 2018.

but im glad national dems are sweating because thatll keep them focused.

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71. "That can't be the last word on this, can it?"
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Like hell they're going to just roll over and accept that lol.

Are they already passed the 'impeach the judges' phase?

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74. "iono we will see i guess."
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the only reason they even have enough votes for impeachment is because of gerrymandering lol.

i get the sense that the impeachment talk wasnt taken that seriously tho. pa still has some charlie dent type moderate repubs in the legislature that wouldnt be on board with all of that.

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76. "Dem wins Kentucky state House seat in district Trump won by 49 points"
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http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/374777-dem-wins-ky-state-house-seat-in-district-trump-won-by-49-points

  

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