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Hitokiri
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"Kehinde Wiley's Presidential Portraits of the Obamas unveiled"


  

          

http://time.com/5143747/obama-presidential-portrait-kehinde-wiley/

Just happened so I don't think hi-res images are circulating yet, but like a lot of us, I've been following Kehinde for a while and it's dope that his work is gonna be in the Smithsonian's Portrait Gallery.

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Michelle's doesn't even look like her
Feb 12th 2018
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It was dope
Feb 12th 2018
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The artists' interviews play in the Time Mag link above
Feb 12th 2018
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I'm not well versed in art but ummm.........
Feb 12th 2018
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lmao
Feb 12th 2018
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I never had the experience of being moved by fine art.
Feb 12th 2018
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Lee Daniels and Kehinde Wiley
Feb 12th 2018
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^Wow, wasn't expecting this post to go POAST but let the games...
Feb 12th 2018
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Here we fucking go
Feb 12th 2018
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please explain
Feb 12th 2018
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man..Kehinde Wiley smfh [swipe]
Feb 12th 2018
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      So you are taking your black art cues from this white woman?
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"SHUT UP!!!" (c) Little Richard
Feb 12th 2018
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lee daniels and kehinde wiley are on record
Feb 12th 2018
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stfu
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nah
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trollololol
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does have a bit of a snapchat filte.....nvmd
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What's the story behind Michelle's portrait?
Feb 12th 2018
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I don't particularly like that one either
Feb 12th 2018
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It looks chalky. Her skin looks gray. Wtf.
Feb 12th 2018
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      I guess that's just her style
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      Thanks. It works when the background is bold or vibrant
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      went to her website because I thought I must be missing something
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      RE: I guess that's just her style
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           https://artsy-media-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/lypywFh35ACo6ZkthEdw9w%2FTh...
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      RE: It looks chalky. Her skin looks gray. Wtf.
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Museum was like "Oh, we'll hang this "somewhere else"...."
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i don't care for Barack's, but i loveee Michelle's painting
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pretty much
Feb 12th 2018
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      after checking out other ones, im cool with both
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      looking @ the other pictures, the shift away from realism is welcome
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           definitely
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I wasn't expecting the Pop Art vibes
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RE: Kehinde Wiley's Presidential Portraits of the Obamas unveiled
Feb 12th 2018
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I saw this Kehinde painting in KC this past fall
Feb 12th 2018
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Maybe i dont understand art.....but....those are....yeah
Feb 12th 2018
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the guy that puts hidden sperm in his paintings? nah.
Feb 12th 2018
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Call me old fashioned. But I don't like either of them.
Feb 12th 2018
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That White Man Ice that much colder!?!?!?
Feb 12th 2018
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      lmao!
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      or Elaine de Kooning's portrait of JFK
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      can't get whiter than George W.'s portrait of Putin
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      I hope he donates that masterpiece to the Kremlin.
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      Whitest ever is Bobby Jindal
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      DAMN lol
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      "terrisad" terrible painting and a sad state to be in
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      if you ask me dude is split personality or disassociated or something
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      lol obsessed much? She must have seen the shit go down live
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           Nope, JFK just wouldn't sit still
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      I'm dying.
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      LOL
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      Go easy on him lol. I thought the same thing
Feb 12th 2018
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I see both of these winding up as prints on people's walls at home.
Feb 12th 2018
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My church printing up fans with the pictures as we speak.
Feb 12th 2018
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ftr, i like both.
Feb 12th 2018
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both are dope. Amy Sherald's work is usually a lot more colorful
Feb 12th 2018
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Her portiraits?
Feb 12th 2018
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Gray skintone is her trademark, but the backgrounds and clothing
Feb 12th 2018
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      Yup. I was surprised she went with pale blue for the background.
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           Agreed
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                She worked directly with her personal stylist.
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                     Right.
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tbh....I didn't think that portrait was a strong likeness....
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      That means you didn't get a good look.
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           I saw what i saw and i dont think it looks like Michelle
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It's funny seeing woke folks on twitter trying to tip top around not
Feb 12th 2018
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its aight i guess. barack's a little better.
Feb 12th 2018
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Really like them both
Feb 12th 2018
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Michelle's head is too small. Also I would have preferred
Feb 12th 2018
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Aside from grayscale, Amy Sherald's other trademark is
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I think the poses were poor choices in both instances
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not into them but if the Obamas legit like them, it's what matters
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Kehinde the GOAT and y'all ain't got no taste.
Feb 12th 2018
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smfh
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      nigga going full on phobe up in here.
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           man....
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           Wiley and Daniels are different from each other.
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                RE: Wiley and Daniels are different from each other.
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                     fine, I still disagree with you!
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                          Wait what?
Feb 12th 2018
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                          beyond what seems like homophobia
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                               You are being very generous.
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                          RE: fine, I still disagree with you!
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           Dude in here like Mike Pence driving home from a bakery
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           point out
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                the conspiracy theories about gay artists effeminizing black men maybe
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                     Ha
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                     i'm so ill at conspiracy theory i made wiley paint these
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                          looks like a combo of classic styles and cultural overlap/juxtaposition
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                          Lmao, why all these dudes giving that Yaaaassss face?
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                          Damn
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                          Wiley is openly gay.
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                          i never said the word conspiracy
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                          but those don't read as as gay or straight. maybe you're hyperfocusing
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                          huh? they look gay to me.. shrugs*
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                               how is a man on a horse wielding a sword soft?
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                                    I’m saying is it that hard to see the connections !?
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                                    your first link is not working...
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                                         https://tinyurl.com/yaxy3z7g
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                                              I mean...
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                                    ionno man.. he has that look.
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                          The emperor is naked
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                     conspiracy theory?
Feb 12th 2018
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                          so, you're just kind of homophobic is all?
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                          nah thats just your simplistic, lazy
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                          No. You're definitely homophobic as fuck
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                          He didn't have to.
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                          Your shit is mad homophobic though
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                               well said
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                               Well I'll be damned.
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                               I mean, I had to learn something sparring with SW right?
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                                    Indeed. Good shit.
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                                    He’s probably reading this right now with his fingers clasped
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                               Er it’s an attack on whiteness to portray whites as black
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                               Man there is nothing inherently white about Nick Fury.
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                                    It’s no different than how they respond to black Santa or Jesus
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                               is obama gay?
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                                    out the horses mouth
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                                    LMAO at you reading into the Obama portrait being effiminate
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                                    RE: LMAO at you reading into the Obama portrait being effiminate
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                                    What's feminine about that portrait?
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                                    Flowers and plants are so gay
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                                    you let another man plant a seed in your garden fam??!!?!?!
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                                         i let another man touch me while im wearing a robe
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                                              if you touch any other man with less than the touch of death
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                                                   i think the touch of death is gay though
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                                                        hmm makes sense. because if god wanted man to be with man
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                                                             woman + woman = hands
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                                    RE: What's feminine about that portrait?
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                                    OMG. Seek help.
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                                    also mad this dude is teaching
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                                    The idea that he's influencing young minds is too much to deal with.
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                                    RE: OMG. Seek help.
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                                    Yeah. Not doing this.
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                                         Right
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                                         lol
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                                    this muthafucka thinks colors have gender AND sexuality.
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                                    What does "there's a sense in which male beauty...
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                                    RE: What's feminine about that portrait?
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                                    bruh. first thing I thought of was William Morris
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                                    I don't see anything feminine in the Obama painting
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                                         sitting close to flowers. lol fag
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                                              LMAO
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                                              lol STOP!!
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Barry's looks like Dapper Dan filled in the background
Feb 12th 2018
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The flowers each are native to every place BHO was raised and lived.
Feb 12th 2018
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...oh...well...in that case...
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LOL
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the art is solid but for presidential portraits..not feeling it
Feb 12th 2018
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a feeling that you looking
Feb 12th 2018
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This is wack
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I don't understand people who claim not to understand modern art.
Feb 12th 2018
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People arent really taught to have that vocabulary
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It’s art. Either you like it or you don’t.
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      No, that's decoration.
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      I'm torn on this. Some good art anyone can appreciate. While
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      I'm not talking about 'cultivation.'
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      nope
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      in the same sense as liking a book, yeah
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what about those that don't understand classic art? they ain't shit
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      Sure.
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Context >>>> appeal
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This is where I am.
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      Me, three. Though I love them both now, aesthetically. It didn't take
Feb 14th 2018
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Kehinde gave him six fingers on his left hand, though.
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just a weird look with the fold of his skin
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^^^ would be eliminated from tattoo master...LOL
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      Nunez would be all over that shit
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They both dope
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We're not gonna talk abt what "some" are sayin abt the artist's other wo...
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too effeminate
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I mean, that is wild tho right?
Feb 13th 2018
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See, that’s a dope painting
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I can think of some heads I'd wanna see Obama chop off.
Feb 13th 2018
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Anybody criticising that is clearly unfamiliar with Caravaggio
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I'm sure Hannity and the Breitbarters are well versed on Caravaggio.
Feb 13th 2018
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haha i forgot my liberal elitism there for a minute
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You just put me on/taught me something!! Thank you.
Feb 14th 2018
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I the "some" saying are the some that's always mad....naw.
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were the US truly about dismantling race it would be more problematic
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Both look great in person. *drops mic*
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So a friend of mine made 2 interpretations I think are kind of brilliant
Feb 14th 2018
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obsessed with being right? for looking things up?
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      Lol, that wasn't shade! It's a running joke in the office.
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Tacky
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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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1. "Michelle's doesn't even look like her"
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2. "It was dope"
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I wish CNN woulda let Kehinde and Amy's speech play instead of bringing on the talking heads for useless commentary.

I love the Kehinde piece, I'm not as much a fan of that particular Amy Sherald piece. Im no art critique but it looked unfinished to me.

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29. "The artists' interviews play in the Time Mag link above"
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3. "I'm not well versed in art but ummm........."
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yeah

i'm not well versed in art

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4. "lmao"
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5. "I never had the experience of being moved by fine art. "
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But I was in tears seeing Kehinde's exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum of Art. Powerful stuff.


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6. "Lee Daniels and Kehinde Wiley"
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continue the effeminization of the black male nonstop

i personally think it’s disgusting

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7. "^Wow, wasn't expecting this post to go POAST but let the games..."
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begin.


How Sway??



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9. "Here we fucking go"
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10. "please explain"
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shut up already, damn

  

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57. "man..Kehinde Wiley smfh [swipe]"
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Cats gonna front like that painting of Obama aint effeminate? lol

i saw his installation at Brooklyn Museum... smfh.

here's what the village voice had to say about it...lol. For non-NYCers the voice is THEE GAY publication

https://www.villagevoice.com/2015/03/11/what-to-make-of-kehinde-wileys-pervy-brooklyn-museum-retrospective/

If you think you recognize one of the paintings from the Fox evening soap Empire on the walls of the Brooklyn Museum’s Kehinde Wiley retrospective, you’re only half wrong.

By now the Wiley formula is so familiar — and so legible on TV — that it operates as a shorthand for black empowerment: His well-known portraits of young men from the projects dropped into Old Masterish settings are the black figurative equivalent of Thomas Kinkade. On the Fox show, music mogul Lucious Lyon has at least two Wileys in his New York City pad, and a monster-size canvas of a Timberland-shod swashbuckler (titled Officer of the Hussars and owned in real life by
the Detroit Institute of Art) presides over the living room of rapper Hakeem Lyon,
Lucious’s son. In the current show on view at the Brooklyn Museum, dozens
of near-identical canvases repeat Wiley’s brand of African-American uplift.


But look closer at the 50-some objects — painting, sculpture, stained glass — in “Kehinde Wiley: A New Republic,” and you’ll see predatory behavior dressed up as art-historical affirmative action. Wiley’s targets are young people of color who in these pictures are gussied up in the trappings of art history or Givenchy. Judging from Wiley’s market and institutional
success — in his fifteen-year career, this is his second solo at the Brooklyn Museum — Wiley has proven himself a canny operator seducing an art public cowed by political correctness and willing to gloss over the more lurid implications of the 38-year-old artist’s production.

Wiley’s Passing/Posing and Rumors
of War series consist of massively scaled, color-saturated paintings that feature handsome young black men — plucked from the dicier blocks of Harlem and Bed-Stuy (back when row houses didn’t command seven digits) — astride a horse or leaning jauntily on a cane, like Napoleon or a nobleman. Instead of the rocky outcroppings and interiors that background the originals from which he borrows, Wiley deploys textile patterns that flatten time and obliterate place. Down, his series of billboard-size canvases of lounging odalisques, finds the artist’s male models with their underwear pulled down to reveal a few inches of abdomen and their lips moist and open in the manner of a classical Venus.

Wiley renders his models’ pecs, thighs, and cheekbones in warm caramels. Most wear their street clothes, so it’s Timberlands and Nikes digging into the stirrups and Hanes underwear riding low. The biceps of young Morpheus — not the Laurence Fishburne character from The Matrix but a riff on eighteenth-century French sculptor Jean-Antoine Houdon’s portrayal of the mythical god
of dreams — evince an almost photo-real perfection. Wiley, who says he paints the central figures himself (the painstaking labor of the patterned backgrounds he outsources to assistants in a global network of studios), layers on thin washes
of oil to luminous effect.


It’s easy to see why these images have become that shorthand. On their surface, the figures are commanding. Wiley’s juxtapositions of high and low, street and
academe, are subversive but not too much so. Their placement in look-at-me gilded frames gives them gravitas. If we wanted, we could stop right here, give two thumbs up to learned street cred, and praise Wiley for his business acumen. “I make really high-priced luxury goods for wealthy consumers,” the painter told the Art Newspaper in 2008.

Where once was a powerful white
man, Wiley inserts a firm piece of African-American flesh. Where white power aggrandized itself in official state portraiture, now young blacks from the ghetto, the ones newspaper headlines insist are without future and en route to incarceration, straddle stallions. What does it mean to put a young black man on a horse and call him Napoleon? If it isn’t dangling a fantasy and false hope, then at least it implies that young
urban blacks are in desperate need of
uplift. You call that empowerment?

And then there is Wiley’s casting-couch method. In the early 2000s, after
he graduated from Yale, Wiley did a residency at the Studio Museum and began inviting men he met on the streets into his studio to pose. “When I’m approaching these guys, there’s a presupposed engagement,” Wiley said in the 2008 Art Newspaper interview. “I don’t ask people what their sexualities are, but there’s a sense in which male beauty is being negotiated.”

Once in the studio, Wiley presents
his model with art-history books and asks him to choose which painting he’d like to be in. Straining to legitimize this method, Brooklyn Museum curator Eugenie Tsai lauds the artist in the exhibition catalog for “the subject’s active participation” in
a “collaborative encounter…co-produced by the subject and the artist.”

What Wiley and his subjects do behind the scenes may be none of our business, but his paintings kiss and tell. Saint Andrew grinds his crotch against a wooden cross, and in case we don’t quite get it, Wiley has painted free-floating spermatozoa across the canvas. The same goes for the bear of a fellow in Napoleon Leading the Army Over the Alps, which could be subtitled “(Through a Light Ejaculate Mist).” And if the painted
tadpoles aren’t sufficiently suggestive, several of the gilded frames contain sperm reliefs of their own. (Talk about painting outside the lines.)

In what world is a Yale-minted artist who lures young men into his studio
with the promise of power and glamour not predatory? These aren’t portraits. They’re types — to the point where
the majority of his titles reflect only the identity of the original sitter; his models remain anonymous.


Like many perpetrators, Wiley has moments of grace. Some are conjured by Tsai, who whips a fifteen-year career of deadening sameness into something vaguely dynamic by showing variously sized works and media. The most beautiful and humane images, presented in the exhibition’s final room, are Wiley’s 2013 reinterpretations of fifteenth-century Flemish painter Hans Memling’s portraits of wealthy merchants. The figures in a trio
of small panels embedded into altar-like wood surrounds possess a humanity that goes missing in the flash of Wiley’s mural-size works. After Memling’s Portrait of a Man in a Red Hat is ethereal, yet so solid that he makes a case for Wiley’s skills.
Perhaps tellingly, each painting in this
series includes the model’s name.

Do instances such as this one validate
the rest of Wiley’s output or render his methods less perverse? We’ll never know. Having discovered the art world’s weakness, Wiley has painted himself as untouchable.

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106. "So you are taking your black art cues from this white woman?"
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http://jessicadawson.com/

Who leans on the stereotype of black man as sexual predator with no basis other than inference and innuendo.

okay.

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12. ""SHUT UP!!!" (c) Little Richard"
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58. "lee daniels and kehinde wiley are on record"
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saying their object is to make black people "comfortable" with homosexuality

wiley aint painting pics of gay women though

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/20/lee-daniels-empire-homophobia-black-_n_6507274.html

its a reason his pics are featured heavily in empire

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15. "stfu"
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59. "nah"
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you STFU

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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31. "trollololol"
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33. "does have a bit of a snapchat filte.....nvmd "
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Coolin...

  

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8. "What's the story behind Michelle's portrait?"
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shut up already, damn

  

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11. "I don't particularly like that one either"
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and I wasn't familiar with Amy Sherald's work
But

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/twitter-users-noticed-something-about-amy-sheralds-portrait-of-michelle-obama/article/2648816

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17. "It looks chalky. Her skin looks gray. Wtf. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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19. "I guess that's just her style"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV2FGAYUMAAwI6o.jpg:large

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22. "Thanks. It works when the background is bold or vibrant"
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Not a fan of it but it’s art. I guess it’s dope to have a different portrait than the traditional ones.

shut up already, damn

  

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30. "went to her website because I thought I must be missing something"
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the images there with larger dimensions really show more of her talent:
http://www.amysherald.com/k8ralybv3u4o2b57ygpdwxxztd9plt

Her CV is really impressive too.



  

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32. "RE: I guess that's just her style"
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Amy's work is amazing in person. She mixes paint a specific way for her portraits and in person, her work has a depth that maintains the aesthetic of a painting, but has some of the depth of a photo. That is the only way I can explain it. And she paints on scale, so they are always large paintings.

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103. "https://artsy-media-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/lypywFh35ACo6ZkthEdw9w%2FTh..."
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https://artsy-media-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/lypywFh35ACo6ZkthEdw9w%2FThe+Snowy+Day+Peter+Bed_p+copy.jpg

Knew it reminded me of something

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20. "RE: It looks chalky. Her skin looks gray. Wtf. "
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That Time Magazine link (in the OP) to an article that has a brief explanation about why the artists chose that grayish hue.

“Bold colors and patterns are a constant in Sherald’s work — from the bright red fascinator adorned by the young Miss Everything to the multi-colored print dress that pops from the canvas of her 2017 work, Untitled — but the skin of her African American subjects is often presented in varying shades of gray. She has also been said to seek out subjects who she sees as “existing in the past, present, and future simultaneously,” according to Artnet.”

  

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13. "Museum was like "Oh, we'll hang this "somewhere else"....""
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lol

  

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14. "i don't care for Barack's, but i loveee Michelle's painting"
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I know Wiley's signature is the use of the background patterns, but it's distracting here imo. Michelle's picture is just as vibrant in a more restrained way and there is something quite universal in her painting that's missing from his.

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16. "pretty much"
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i need to look into previous presidential portraits, i was expecting a plain realism portrait

  

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18. "after checking out other ones, im cool with both"
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art needs time to truly appreciate

  

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24. "looking @ the other pictures, the shift away from realism is welcome"
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I loveeeee JFK's picture too, definitely one of the more modern of the bunch.

It is in your self-interest to find a way to be very tender.
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28. "definitely"
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once i saw that there were other portraits that tried something other than plain realism i got a different appreciation for these. felt kind of weird if these were the only ones that went in a different direction. seeing its not the case, im with it.

feels weird saying that cuz we shouldnt be afraid to be different but i guess with the importance of it im a little sensitive to wanting these to be accepted.

  

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21. "I wasn't expecting the Pop Art vibes"
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I don't love them, but I don't hate either.

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23. "RE: Kehinde Wiley's Presidential Portraits of the Obamas unveiled"
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>yet, but like a lot of us, I've been following Kehinde for a
>while and it's dope that his work is gonna be in the
>Smithsonian's Portrait Gallery.

He's already in there, his portrait of L.L. has been up for several years.

  

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25. "I saw this Kehinde painting in KC this past fall"
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https://twitter.com/nelson_atkins/status/913838155937255424

And I have to say that the Obama portrait I would need to see in person to truly get a feel for. This painting also seems underwhelming on a computer screen, but in person at its massive scale and color range it's hard to look - or walk - away from.

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26. "Maybe i dont understand art.....but....those are....yeah"
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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

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27. "the guy that puts hidden sperm in his paintings? nah."
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much rather they used a New Orleans painter

  

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34. "Call me old fashioned. But I don't like either of them."
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I was expecting traditional portrait oil paintings. The same every president and first lady before the Obamas, received. Not this cartoonish/modern crap. Folks will like what they like. But the Obamas deserve to have their legacy memorialized in the same fashion of every presidency before them.



  

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38. "That White Man Ice that much colder!?!?!?"
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Something more like this better!?!?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/36/00/9d36003af74e41318133bcd5b185e026.jpg




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40. "lmao!"
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edit

So Airbreed is okay with Clinton having this
https://americaspresidents.si.edu/sites/default/files/styles/original/public/l_npg_5_2009-clinton_sm.jpg?itok=nQeri499

But not with Kehinde's Obama





Bush II
https://americaspresidents.si.edu/sites/default/files/styles/original/public/npg_2008_51-bush_sm.jpg?itok=1dxnFeO_

Reagan
https://americaspresidents.si.edu/sites/default/files/styles/original/public/npg_93_384-reagan_sm.jpg?itok=MI3hKpBz

JFK
https://americaspresidents.si.edu/sites/default/files/styles/original/public/npg_99_75-jfk-hr_sm.jpg?itok=ApoOHYg7


But the Obama is a problem. FOH.

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41. "or Elaine de Kooning's portrait of JFK"
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https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/05/11/dekooning-jfk-getty_wide-8dfb88b0dd5b1a7efe49d612a9e6067a3cc5bb38.jpg

  

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43. "can't get whiter than George W.'s portrait of Putin"
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https://www.designboom.com/art/george-w-bush-exhibit-painted-portraits-04-07-2014/

  

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44. "I hope he donates that masterpiece to the Kremlin."
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65. "Whitest ever is Bobby Jindal"
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https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-02/3/19/campaign_images/webdr07/this-is-an-actual-portrait-of-bobby-jindal-that-h-2-24640-1423009470-2_dblbig.jpg

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93. "DAMN lol"
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94. ""terrisad" terrible painting and a sad state to be in "
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101. "if you ask me dude is split personality or disassociated or something "
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https://photos.vanityfair.com/2015/01/29/54ca9ec9b8f23e3a031463fe_image.png

http://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bush-deadiraqi-640.jpg

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96. "lol obsessed much? She must have seen the shit go down live"
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that photo looks like she's working out some kind of trauma

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179. "Nope, JFK just wouldn't sit still"
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In de Kooning's case, JFK's restless nature made it difficult for her to paint a portrait as she normally would. Instead of a traditional sitting, she had to prepare several sketches and workshop until she got the final canvas:

http://www.artnews.com/2015/04/10/a-president-seen-from-every-angle-elaine-de-kooning-on-painting-jfk-in-1964/

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42. "I'm dying."
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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51. "LOL"
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64. "Go easy on him lol. I thought the same thing"
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I didn't realize that they were these types of "artistic" portraits.

I was thinking it was like these formal things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portraits_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

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35. "I see both of these winding up as prints on people's walls at home."
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If my grandfather were alive he'd be on it.

  

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52. "My church printing up fans with the pictures as we speak. "
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36. "ftr, i like both."
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37. "both are dope. Amy Sherald's work is usually a lot more colorful"
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not sure why she went more muted for Michelle.

i think her portrait would look better next to Kehinde's if she went with her usual high contrast approach.

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45. "Her portiraits?"
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No they aren't, this is like the rest of them.
Even the other portrait she has on display at the NPG styled similarly.
Grayscale is her trademark.

  

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47. "Gray skintone is her trademark, but the backgrounds and clothing"
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are typically bright and in contrast to the muted blackness.

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50. "Yup. I was surprised she went with pale blue for the background."
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My favorite piece of her's is one here in DC at the national museum of women in the arts and it is this really bold hot pink background and it's so vibrant in person and in pictures I've seen online.

Disappointed she went muted on this one, I wonder if she felt she had to because of the weight of her subject...

Also I wish she had her standing, like she has folks in her other portraits.

  

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53. "Agreed"
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>Disappointed she went muted on this one, I wonder if she felt
>she had to because of the weight of her subject...
>
>Also I wish she had her standing, like she has folks in her
>other portraits.

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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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62. "She worked directly with her personal stylist."
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I'm positive Michelle Obama isn't disappointed.

  

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121. "Right. "
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This is an iterative process... none of this was a surprise.

  

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60. "tbh....I didn't think that portrait was a strong likeness...."
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There's something about the face that's off.

That's not Michelle.....that's Tisha in accounting.
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166. "That means you didn't get a good look."
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I waited on two long lines and saw both in person today. Your claim, similar to those also seen on Twitter, is an unfounded one.

  

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170. "I saw what i saw and i dont think it looks like Michelle"
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The head and facial features don't look accurate to me. I think the shape of Michelle's head and shoulders are off. The pose doesn't really capture Michelle's posture to me.

  

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39. "It's funny seeing woke folks on twitter trying to tip top around not"
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liking it (at least FLOTUS' painting).

Seems like it would be a betrayal to say they don't dig it.




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46. "its aight i guess. barack's a little better."
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i wish they had the artists do both in a portrait. that way there could at least be a matching set.

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48. "Really like them both"
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From what I can see though, the resemblance is a bit lacking on Michelle's.
Dope that they are really letting these be art, and not just following in the mold of all the stuffy formal portraits that came before.

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49. "Michelle's head is too small. Also I would have preferred "
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her standing like the majority of the other portraits by Amy are.

  

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61. "Aside from grayscale, Amy Sherald's other trademark is "
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lifesize portraiture.
She executes both excellently.
44thFLOTUS' head is proportionally sized.

  

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54. "I think the poses were poor choices in both instances"
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i like the art, but the poses were poor choices for the purpose of these portraits

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55. "not into them but if the Obamas legit like them, it's what matters"
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56. "Kehinde the GOAT and y'all ain't got no taste. "
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63. "smfh"
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GOAT of bullshit maybe

kerry james marshall is the man. kehinde wiley is a psychopath.

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69. "nigga going full on phobe up in here."
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-30-
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70. "man...."
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have you seen this niggas pictures? lol

have you seen empire, precious, monster's ball, paperboy etc

these are two of the most black hating, psychopaths we've seen since alice walker

smfh

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73. "Wiley and Daniels are different from each other."
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Aside, neither are effeminate.

  

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75. "RE: Wiley and Daniels are different from each other."
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i meant "paintings" as in wiley's

i know they different... but they moving in the same direction

i didnt even say they were effeminate though... i said thats the imagery they pushing

admittedly, with their own words

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77. "fine, I still disagree with you!"
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though I'm no lee daniels fan, wiley's art is the shit!
he's been promoting the same type of Black empowerment you seem to champion, in a way that flips stylings seen in the work of the 'old masters'--painting european aristocrats--with an array of Black folk instead.

  

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78. "Wait what?"
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>though I'm no lee daniels fan, wiley's art is the shit!
>he's been promoting the same type of Black empowerment you
>seem to champion, in a way that flips stylings seen in the
>work of the 'old masters'--painting european aristocrats--with
>an array of Black folk instead.

What is he 'championing?' l

  

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81. "beyond what seems like homophobia"
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the excellence of Black folk

  

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112. "You are being very generous. "
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82. "RE: fine, I still disagree with you!"
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>though I'm no lee daniels fan, wiley's art is the shit!
>he's been promoting the same type of Black empowerment you
>seem to champion, in a way that flips stylings seen in the
>work of the 'old masters'--painting european aristocrats--with
>an array of Black folk instead.

painting black people into remixes of european aristocrat paintings is black empowerment?

nah..thats nothing like i champion

kerry james marshall though?? yeah...

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71. "Dude in here like Mike Pence driving home from a bakery"
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84. "point out"
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what could be construed as homophobia?

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85. "the conspiracy theories about gay artists effeminizing black men maybe"
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86. "Ha"
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exactly

  

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88. "i'm so ill at conspiracy theory i made wiley paint these"
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http://media.mlive.com/entertainment/detroit_impact/photo/kehinde-wiley--a313967fca297d2f.png

https://i2.wp.com/www.culturetype.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/EL137.13.jpg

https://mrsawyersopus.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/2319992318_7592b0e4a7-1.jpg?w=580

https://res.cloudinary.com/sagacity/image/upload/c_crop,h_619,w_1000,x_0,y_0/c_limit,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_80,w_1080/Wiley_Morpheus_xwt7pi.jpg

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92. "looks like a combo of classic styles and cultural overlap/juxtaposition "
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The men do look “effeminate” in the sense that

1. It was en vogue in the classical era for men of status to be more “beautiful” in appearance akin to a woman. Something seen among representations of European, Asian, ancient Egyptian, etc. royalty.

So to me the connection is comparing black men who are seen largely as thugs in American society as royalty and beautiful

2. For the reclined poses again it looks like a callback to reneissance era and later portraits of what is called “odalisque (sp?)” the reclining nude white woman (and its variations) are born of the white slave trade to Europe, Africa, and Middle/Far East. Playboys are/were ”modern” day odalisques (the readily available white slave girl aka the girl next door)

The artist appears to have flipped the subject from classically enslaved white woman with whom one could have their way to the modern enslaved black male with whom any white authority could have the same

Honestly the Obama painting is pretty subtle by comparison. I didn’t quite get the messaging of the artist until I saw these others

Interesting lecture on the subject
https://youtu.be/8iZDapgQdFo

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98. "Lmao, why all these dudes giving that Yaaaassss face? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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104. "Damn"
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Well that Obama portrait could have been worse.

>http://media.mlive.com/entertainment/detroit_impact/photo/kehinde-wiley--a313967fca297d2f.png
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>https://i2.wp.com/www.culturetype.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/EL137.13.jpg
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>https://mrsawyersopus.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/2319992318_7592b0e4a7-1.jpg?w=580
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>https://res.cloudinary.com/sagacity/image/upload/c_crop,h_619,w_1000,x_0,y_0/c_limit,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_80,w_1080/Wiley_Morpheus_xwt7pi.jpg

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109. "Wiley is openly gay. "
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Not a stretch to say he's just painting from his perspective on the black male. That doesn't equate to conspiracy.


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122. "i never said the word conspiracy"
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i said lee daniels and kehinde wiley

i was called a conspiracy theorist

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113. "but those don't read as as gay or straight. maybe you're hyperfocusing"
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126. "huh? they look gay to me.. shrugs*"
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just sayin'

all those dudes look mad soft.

and I wonder if he would get this much recognition if the men in these photos were more powerful

shut up already, damn

  

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128. "how is a man on a horse wielding a sword soft?"
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and why is soft being conflated with gay?

when I look at those paintings I see art historical references while also subverting the format of renaissance imagery

NOT some evil agenda where the focus is to depict black men as un-masculine which in itself is kinda problematic because it suggests that femininity is a bad thing

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134. "I’m saying is it that hard to see the connections !?"
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Dudes wearing stockings but how many illegitimate sons you think he got?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/

You could buy a white woman at the market when this was painted

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/William_Etty_-_A_young_women_reclining_on_a_fur_rug.jpg

Same shit

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138. "your first link is not working..."
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148. "https://tinyurl.com/yaxy3z7g"
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here are some more fun ones


the illest lacefront AND in a suit of armor looking like a dandy
http://hoocher.com/Louis_XIV/Louis_de_France_Le_Grand_Dauphin.jpg

and of course America's darling racist luciferian
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7163/1522/1600/George-Washington.jpg

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181. "I mean..."
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you can not like the art, but don't be an asshole and act like you aren't seeing what the man is doing.

he keeps harping on the one with the small semen painted on it...forgetting that these are MASSIVE (for scale: https://culturestories.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/WILEY-at-Brooklyn-2015_10-e1476184041944.jpg ) pieces and that particular piece - the only one with the semen on it - is dominated by a man on a horse in U.S. Army camouflage, taking a charge stance in front of a mural of ovaries.

For more scale: http://smarthistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/red.png
Original Napoleon piece: https://mkmcdonald.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/wiley1.png?w=560

(arguably, Wiley's modern version also poses and appears more masculine than Napoleon in the original)

Even in THAT instance he refuses to look past "black man surrounded by semen" to see that the painting is clearly one of Wiley's most heterosexual pieces. It's also a feminist piece, clearly, but it is undeniably from a heterosexual male perspective.

So...I guess it's not a stretch to say he'd overlook all the 18th century art...not even references really but direct lifts in the poses he chooses.

  

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143. "ionno man.. he has that look. "
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not trying to be funny either.

shut up already, damn

  

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184. "The emperor is naked"
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Shit is gay yo, plain and simple. You called it.

Heavily around my throat/ I don't play

  

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87. "conspiracy theory?"
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daniels has SAID its the whole reason for empire lol...and as i said - have you seen his movies?

every painting wiley makes of black men are effeminate.

he has sperm circling around them and their asses hanging out

wtf

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90. "so, you're just kind of homophobic is all?"
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you coulda just said that upfront.

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91. "nah thats just your simplistic, lazy"
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dichotomous thinking

i havent said 1 negative thing about gay people in the post

i have said negative things about two gay guys and the work they choose to present to the world

so i was called a conspiracy theorist for saying they promoted effeminate imagery of black men (although they are on record)

then i provide the proof of said characterization and its "so youre sort of a homophobe". i also provided a link and a swipe where the village voice came to a similar conclusion... but again lets just overlook everything that doesnt fit our "catchphrase" narrative.

group think programmed muh fuckas

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100. "No. You're definitely homophobic as fuck"
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110. "He didn't have to. "
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His keystrokes is clear as shit.

  

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107. "Your shit is mad homophobic though"
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Cuz your argument is that Wiley is effeminizing black male by daring to have as his subject matter gay black effeminate men.

That conclusion that doesn't follow at all.

It's the same argument Alt-Right make when they argue that by promoting black characters in movies is some how an attack on whiteness. Depicting Nick Fury as Black somehow is a conspiracy to undermined whiteness.

You've turned inclusiveness into an attack on the dominant group.

It's also text book homophobia because your suggesting is that by depicting some effeminate gay (possibly to probably) men he is effeminizing ALL black men. That's text book homophobia to suggest associating with gayness somehow makes heteros "gayer" by association.

And the idea that the Obama picture is somehow effeminate says more about your insecurities about manhood than it does about anything else.




>daniels has SAID its the whole reason for empire lol...and as
>i said - have you seen his movies?
>
>every painting wiley makes of black men are effeminate.
>
>he has sperm circling around them and their asses hanging out
>
>wtf
>
>


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111. "well said"
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115. "Well I'll be damned."
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116. "I mean, I had to learn something sparring with SW right?"
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119. "Indeed. Good shit."
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120. "He’s probably reading this right now with his fingers clasped "
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Like Mister Burns

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118. "Er it’s an attack on whiteness to portray whites as black "
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That’s at the root of white identity

Solid statement nonetheless though

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132. "Man there is nothing inherently white about Nick Fury. "
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So only a racist gets worked up about color-blind inclusive casting that leads to a black person playing that role.

Same way only a homophobe gets worked up by an artist saying he wants to expose black people to more gay/feminine black male subjects.

A secure black male should not lose an ounce of sleep over that.

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136. "It’s no different than how they respond to black Santa or Jesus"
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I’m just saying it’s in the culture of whites in general to take that type of re envisioning as an attack. It’s a “natural” and necessary response in order for society as they know it to continue.

White folks that are rational in regard to skin color and identity are outliers.

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124. "is obama gay?"
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why is he portrayed that way (feminine)?

i just showed the pics to my class and ask their thoughts

they said “they trying to say he’s soft”

and if you read the village voice article i linked... wiley says he never has the sexuality convo with his subjects. so he don’t know if they gay or not so your major point is based on a false assumption



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127. "out the horses mouth"
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Wiley said in the 2008 Art Newspaper interview. “I don’t ask people what their sexualities are, but there’s a sense in which male beauty is being negotiated.”

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129. "LMAO at you reading into the Obama portrait being effiminate"
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Some of Wileys other pieces sure, but Obama, nah thats you seeing what you wanna see homie. hmmm


BUT BUT your teenagers are co-signing you...LMAO


P.S.


might be a lil Downey in this pic too since were Poasting

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164. "RE: LMAO at you reading into the Obama portrait being effiminate"
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>BUT BUT your teenagers are co-signing you...LMAO

man they dont know what i think about it

theres about 8 black male teachers in the school. 8/8 said the pic is funny style

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130. "What's feminine about that portrait?"
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Cause flowers are in it?

You should be spending more time questioning why you reflexively consider the portrait feminine than trying to argue it is.

More importantly, you should be challenging your student's notion of masculinity than co-signing them or using them as a source of authority on what is masculine and notions of manhood.

I am a man, raised by a strong father, trying to raise two boys into strong men. Nothing about this strikes me as feminine. I trust my notions of manhood more than your students.


Random Side Question: Do you think Cam'ron is feminized when he wears Pink gear?

>why is he portrayed that way (feminine)?
>
>i just showed the pics to my class and ask their thoughts
>
>they said “they trying to say he’s soft”
>
>and if you read the village voice article i linked... wiley
>says he never has the sexuality convo with his subjects. so he
>don’t know if they gay or not so your major point is based
>on a false assumption


No this proves my point. without knowing the sexuality of his subjects, how do you assume that he is feminizing his subjects? He has plenty of paintings in which the male subjects don't assume any sort of what you are stereotyping as feminine poses. So why assume the ones who do have feminine poses were feminized by Wiley (as oppose to be naturally feminine subjects?)





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131. "Flowers and plants are so gay"
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135. "you let another man plant a seed in your garden fam??!!?!?!"
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137. "i let another man touch me while im wearing a robe"
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multiple times in jiujitsu class


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139. "if you touch any other man with less than the touch of death"
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your ass feminizing the community

  

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140. "i think the touch of death is gay though"
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its how gay people were created.

All gay dudes are guys who are victims of touch of death in their past life. That final death touch performed by another man sealed their fate for gayness in their next life.

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141. "hmm makes sense. because if god wanted man to be with man"
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he would have made it possible for them to procreate

man + woman = life

man + man = death

woman + woman = who even cares

  

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147. "woman + woman = hands "
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142. "RE: What's feminine about that portrait?"
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>More importantly, you should be challenging your student's
>notion of masculinity than co-signing them or using them as a
>source of authority on what is masculine and notions of
>manhood.


man you don't know what the conversation was. every class starts with an image, a graph, an excerpt etc and they speak - i don't


>I am a man, raised by a strong father, trying to raise two
>boys into strong men. Nothing about this strikes me as
>feminine. I trust my notions of manhood more than your
>students.

well myself and MANY others disagree with you... right in this post. you came in gun blazing about how you loved the pics. you can't say anything else at this point.

>Random Side Question: Do you think Cam'ron is feminized when
>he wears Pink gear?

Camron WAS feminized with the pink gear and the big diamond earrings. Who do you think styled him? lol.


>No this proves my point. without knowing the sexuality of his
>subjects, how do you assume that he is feminizing his
>subjects? He has plenty of paintings in which the male
>subjects don't assume any sort of what you are stereotyping as
>feminine poses. So why assume the ones who do have feminine
>poses were feminized by Wiley (as oppose to be naturally
>feminine subjects?)

In the quote Wiley says "there's a sense in which male beauty is being negotiated"

which is exactly my sentiment translated.

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144. "OMG. Seek help. "
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Not sure why you think black masculinity is so under threat and what that means for you and yours, but those issues are beyond the capacity of this post to resolve. A pill and/or a couch is likely in order.

Good luck, though.

  

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152. "also mad this dude is teaching"
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probably a bunch of skinny jean teens he can help masculine up though, so + 1 on that side

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157. "The idea that he's influencing young minds is too much to deal with."
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160. "RE: OMG. Seek help. "
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>Not sure why you think black masculinity is so under threat
>and what that means for you and yours, but those issues are
>beyond the capacity of this post to resolve. A pill and/or a
>couch is likely in order.
>
>Good luck, though.

when hasnt black masculinity been under threat in the U.S.?

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180. "Yeah. Not doing this."
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These 'masculinity' discussions are beyond stupid. Again, good luck, though...

  

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183. "Right"
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As if the hypermasculinity that's been forced on us for generations hasn't been incredibly damaging. Any a shift away from that bullshit is "feminizing"
If that's what a motherfucker believes, they're not even worth engaging with, imo.

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186. "lol"
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didnt think before u typed out that whole "why do you feel black masculinity is under attack" - did you?

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172. "this muthafucka thinks colors have gender AND sexuality."
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and he's a teacher?

education wept.

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149. "What does "there's a sense in which male beauty... "
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is being negotiated" mean to you?

I do not think it means what you think it means.




>>More importantly, you should be challenging your student's
>>notion of masculinity than co-signing them or using them as
>a
>>source of authority on what is masculine and notions of
>>manhood.
>
>
>man you don't know what the conversation was. every class
>starts with an image, a graph, an excerpt etc and they speak -
>i don't.


I still don't what the conversation was. Nothing in your reference to your class is that clear here, and yet you use it as an example to make your argument. So let's agree there is no persuasive value in you bringing it up.


But let's get back to my original question you didn't answer. What about that picture is feminine to you?


>
>
>>I am a man, raised by a strong father, trying to raise two
>>boys into strong men. Nothing about this strikes me as
>>feminine. I trust my notions of manhood more than your
>>students.
>
>well myself and MANY others disagree with you... right in this
>post. you came in gun blazing about how you loved the pics.
>you can't say anything else at this point.


Other people disliked the work but what many other people agreed with you in this post regarding the feminization issue? You seemed pretty alone on that one.


Also I didn't say I loved the pics in the first post. I said I am big fan of the artist. At any rate. And? So I don't get an opinion because I like the artist but you dislike the artist but you get an opinion? How does that work in your mind?




>
>>Random Side Question: Do you think Cam'ron is feminized when
>>he wears Pink gear?
>
>Camron WAS feminized with the pink gear and the big diamond
>earrings. Who do you think styled him? lol.


>
>>No this proves my point. without knowing the sexuality of
>his
>>subjects, how do you assume that he is feminizing his
>>subjects? He has plenty of paintings in which the male
>>subjects don't assume any sort of what you are stereotyping
>as
>>feminine poses. So why assume the ones who do have feminine
>>poses were feminized by Wiley (as oppose to be naturally
>>feminine subjects?)
>
>In the quote Wiley says "there's a sense in which male beauty
>is being negotiated"


Man you cited this quote like 10 times. What do you think it means?


>
>which is exactly my sentiment translated.


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163. "RE: What's feminine about that portrait?"
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fam... every male teacher in my school said that shit is funny style

if you dont see it... thats fine too. art is up for interpretation - no?

and the quote...

wiley said his portraits are "negotiating" male beauty...

negotiate implies a give and take between ideals. what ideals are being negotiated? - the masculine/effeminate

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133. "bruh. first thing I thought of was William Morris "
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https://www.google.com/search?q=william+morris+wallpaper&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv-6y6uKPZAhWBjlkKHZjpBfYQ_AUICigB&biw=1225&bih=690

look at dudes other paintings, he references patterns all the time.

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145. "I don't see anything feminine in the Obama painting"
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shut up already, damn

  

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156. "sitting close to flowers. lol fag"
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why cant he be next to a race car or something cool

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159. "LMAO"
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167. "lol STOP!!"
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66. "Barry's looks like Dapper Dan filled in the background"
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Looks like a fugazi designer print

LOVE Michelle's.

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74. "The flowers each are native to every place BHO was raised and lived."
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76. "...oh...well...in that case..."
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89. "LOL"
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>Looks like a fugazi designer print
>
>LOVE Michelle's.

agree

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67. "the art is solid but for presidential portraits..not feeling it "
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and I get a weird vibe from both

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68. "a feeling that you looking"
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at the work of a psychopath

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72. "This is wack"
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79. "I don't understand people who claim not to understand modern art."
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It's not that difficult. You probably just don't like to think about things.

  

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83. "People arent really taught to have that vocabulary"
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Folks arent used to spending time just looking at and reading a still image longer than a few seconds.

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97. "It’s art. Either you like it or you don’t. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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102. "No, that's decoration."
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117. "I'm torn on this. Some good art anyone can appreciate. While"
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Some good art you have to cultivated taste to appreciate (e.g, get all the references in the work).


I do think Great art anyone can appreciate and people with cultivated taste can appreciate and it works on both levels.



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125. "I'm not talking about 'cultivation.'"
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I'm talking about effort, interest, humility, and a willingness to learn.

Maybe that kind of thing gets easier with practice, but that doesn't mean any kind of deep education is necessary.

I should also note: I'm not trying to say that people who aren't interested in art are 'bad people', I'm just saying they should admit when they aren't interested in art, rather than insinuating something they don't understand is 'wrong.'

  

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146. "nope"
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shut up already, damn

  

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182. "in the same sense as liking a book, yeah"
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you can't have an opinion on something you don't take the time to read

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95. "what about those that don't understand classic art? they ain't shit "
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either?

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99. "Sure."
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But people don't go around bragging about their ignorance of old art. They're just as oblivious, but not as virulent about it.

  

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80. "Context >>>> appeal"
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123. "This is where I am."
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I'm far more interested in the symbolism of the pieces and the artists chosen then the actual work itself.

  

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175. "Me, three. Though I love them both now, aesthetically. It didn't take"
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long for them to grow on me.

I love everything about these portraits, from process to product <3


Can't help but love the Obamas.

  

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105. "Kehinde gave him six fingers on his left hand, though."
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Maybe on purpose?

  

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108. "just a weird look with the fold of his skin"
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the placement of the ring shows that's definitely just a trick of the eye


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150. "^^^ would be eliminated from tattoo master...LOL"
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154. "Nunez would be all over that shit"
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114. "They both dope"
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Obama looks like Joe Biden; they WERE 'tight'

Michelle looks 'soft'; I feel like the artist 'got over' by graying her out. You don't see the 'stereotypical angry black woman' scowl, you can't see any facial lines. Michelle looks like Malia, actrually - kinda girlish.

sometimes the flavors gotta soak in. Kinda like how italian food usually taste better the next day.

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151. "We're not gonna talk abt what "some" are sayin abt the artist's other wo..."
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The paintings of black women decapitating white women.
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/71/36/54/15067916/9/920x920.jpg
“It’s sort of a play on the ‘kill whitey’ thing,” Mr. Wiley told The New Yorker in a 2012 interview.


I had to struggle to find a link that wasn't to one of "those" sites. But the argument is a "what if the races were reversed" type of thing.

https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Obama-Portrait-Artist-Kehinde-Wiley-s-Once-12607940.php

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153. "too effeminate"
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155. "I mean, that is wild tho right?"
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158. "See, that’s a dope painting"
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but why can’t these dudes chop off some heads as well? Lol

shut up already, damn

  

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161. "I can think of some heads I'd wanna see Obama chop off."
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Wouldn't be "presidential", though.

  

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162. "Anybody criticising that is clearly unfamiliar with Caravaggio"
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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165. "I'm sure Hannity and the Breitbarters are well versed on Caravaggio."
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So no worries there.

  

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169. "haha i forgot my liberal elitism there for a minute"
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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176. "You just put me on/taught me something!! Thank you."
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Had no idea.

  

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168. "I the "some" saying are the some that's always mad....naw. "
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Props to Obama for higher and artist who courts some controversy. I don't think 08 Obama would have done that.





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173. "were the US truly about dismantling race it would be more problematic "
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But it's not so whatevs. Personally I think it's not the best look though.

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171. "Both look great in person. *drops mic*"
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174. "So a friend of mine made 2 interpretations I think are kind of brilliant"
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On the portrait of Barack : "Why is he surrounded by flowers? Kinda weird. Oh it's Ivy. See? *Pulls out phone to hold google image of ivy plant next to picture of portrait because he is obsessed with being right all the time* Ah! Ok I see it now, it's like a nod to his ivy league background. #blackIvy president. Makes sense."

Me: "..."


On the portrait of Michelle : "Kinda boring. That dress is distracting. Wasn't there some article on that today?" *fiddles with phone to confirm because he is obsessed with being right all the time and discovers dress was designed by a young white woman* "Why would she choose some big distracting cotton dress by a white designer if she was trying to be all pro-black?" After which he concluded that maybe Michelle was giving a wink to commemorate that, yup, a descendent of enslaved black folks was First Lady - all up in that White House originally built with enslaved labour - and she employed a white woman to produce a cotton garment for HER.

Me: "..."

  

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177. "obsessed with being right? for looking things up?"
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i wish more people had that obsession

  

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185. "Lol, that wasn't shade! It's a running joke in the office."
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He's the official factchecker

  

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178. "Tacky"
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Red, Black, Green

  

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