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Atillah Moor
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"Okay Particle Physicists. Large Hadron Colliders "
Wed Feb-07-18 11:17 AM by Atillah Moor

  

          

Do they really create anti-matter particles and is the theoretical(?) Higgs boson particle capable of existing in two places simultaneously?

There is so much crazy talk surrounding the LHC that getting an understanding of what they could potentially prove or uncover is difficult to ascertain.

Could they theoretically warp space time? My impression is yes even without movies and TV suddenly jumping on the multidimensional bandwagon, but what do people with real scientific understanding think?

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The CERN site goes over all your questions better than anyone
Feb 07th 2018
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man have you tried digging through all of that?
Feb 07th 2018
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I have read it, nothing to be scared of
Feb 07th 2018
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      The effects of antimatter on human subjects and physical space
Feb 07th 2018
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           RE: The effects of antimatter on human subjects and physical space
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                thanks!
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Actually...
Feb 07th 2018
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      Ha, well I haven't seen (maybe noticed) you here in a while
Feb 07th 2018
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           I turned from our resident physicist to our resident Bernie skeptic,
Feb 07th 2018
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                Bernie creating black holes in the LHC confirmed
Feb 07th 2018
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                     ^ Russian chatbot propaganda.
Feb 07th 2018
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Yup. Maybe. 2021 gonna be lit.
Feb 07th 2018
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all will be revealed in the next one, the VERY large hadron collider
Feb 07th 2018
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well if this time stuff is true, it's already built lol
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      as a known time traveler... no comment.
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RE: Okay Particle Physicists. Large Hadron Colliders
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Innocent Criminal
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1. "The CERN site goes over all your questions better than anyone "
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here can answer.

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Atillah Moor
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2. "man have you tried digging through all of that?"
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Wed Feb-07-18 11:26 AM by Atillah Moor

  

          

Plus I need theory on what they are talking because the Higgs Boson and Antimatter info is obviously there and I need to hear some info counter to what I've heard and read because yo...

that shit is legit scary IF there's any truth in what is being talked about or the dots one can connect.

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4. "I have read it, nothing to be scared of"
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What exactly do you think is going to happen?

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Atillah Moor
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10. "The effects of antimatter on human subjects and physical space "
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I don't have enough to say anything other than "I need to look into more" but in short

On Anti Matter:

What we call anti-matter can cause negative impulses in human beings (increased aggression etc) and can even be generated in very minute quantities in humans via traumas, perpetually negative outlooks, etc

There is a connection between "anti-matter" and what we call paranormal activity. Allegedly scientifically proven.

On Higgs Boson

No real worry here but I heard something interesting about "groundhog day" like time loops being potential anomalies or scenarios that can be created

Also

just from the sound of it IF all time exists simultaneously and these particles if proven to exist and function according to theory (can exist in two places simultaneously) than it seems like some kind of time window could be something that these particles could create. Not traveling physically in time but viewing past and or future events.

At the very least some type of super intelligent or advanced computer could be developed as the result of it's being able to hold two "ideas" at once via a processor that manipulated these particles

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15. "RE: The effects of antimatter on human subjects and physical space "
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>I don't have enough to say anything other than "I need to
>look into more" but in short
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>On Anti Matter:
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>What we call anti-matter can cause negative impulses in human
>beings (increased aggression etc) and can even be generated in
>very minute quantities in humans via traumas, perpetually
>negative outlooks, etc

Nah, you're reading too much into the name. There's nothing "negative" about anti-matter apart from having opposite electrical charge. Electrons have negative charge, anti-electrons (aka 'positrons') have positive charge. Protons have positive charge, anti-protons have negative charge. There's not really much else to it than that.

Antimatter particles are still normal matter. They still have positive mass, they still attract things gravitationally, they still respond in the same ways to forces, etc.


>There is a connection between "anti-matter" and what we call
>paranormal activity. Allegedly scientifically proven.

Nah.


>On Higgs Boson
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>No real worry here but I heard something interesting about
>"groundhog day" like time loops being potential anomalies or
>scenarios that can be created

Well, wormholes could in principle lead to time loops. But that's one of the reasons that they can't exist. Not only would it violate basic assumptions about causality; also one can show through relatively straightforward calculations (for a physicist) that any such system would destroy itself just before it becomes a useful time machine. I could talk about it more, but I already ramble enough in these threads.


>Also
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>just from the sound of it IF all time exists simultaneously
>and these particles if proven to exist and function according
>to theory (can exist in two places simultaneously) than it
>seems like some kind of time window could be something that
>these particles could create. Not traveling physically in time
>but viewing past and or future events.

Well, in a sense the quantum "nonlocality" applies in time just as well as in space, and again this applies to all particles and all matter. But as with the spatial nonlocality the effect becomes pretty much useless once you're no longer talking about individual subatomic particles.

>At the very least some type of super intelligent or advanced
>computer could be developed as the result of it's being able
>to hold two "ideas" at once via a processor that manipulated
>these particles

Well, that's kind of what a quantum computer is, and research groups really are building these things. They'll likely be a very big deal in about 10-20 years. Nowadays they can't really do much.

  

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16. "thanks!"
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5. "Actually..."
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But I'm busy right now, preparing this afternoon's lecture. I'll come back to this post tonight with some very long-winded answers.

Ooh it's been a while since we've had a physics post!

  

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6. "Ha, well I haven't seen (maybe noticed) you here in a while"
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7. "I turned from our resident physicist to our resident Bernie skeptic,"
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and that really affected my OKP following.

But I'll keep Bernie out of this.

  

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8. "Bernie creating black holes in the LHC confirmed"
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9. "^ Russian chatbot propaganda."
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3. "Yup. Maybe. 2021 gonna be lit."
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11. "all will be revealed in the next one, the VERY large hadron collider"
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12. "well if this time stuff is true, it's already built lol "
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13. "as a known time traveler... no comment."
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14. "RE: Okay Particle Physicists. Large Hadron Colliders "
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>Do they really create anti-matter particles

Yes, but you don't need the LHC to produce anti-matter. Basically any particle collider will produce it in some amounts. It also occurs naturally.

>and is the
>theoretical(?) Higgs boson particle capable of existing in two
>places simultaneously?

Not just the Higgs. This is a quantum mechanics thing, and it applies to ALL particles, and therefore all matter. YOU currently exist in many places simultaneously. With a certain (extremely small) "quantum amplitude", you're currently on the moon.

The effect is real for all matter. It just tends to be the most important for individual subatomic particles. (The more particles there are, the more the system tends to "average out" to a well-defined classical state.)

>There is so much crazy talk surrounding the LHC that getting
>an understanding of what they could potentially prove or
>uncover is difficult to ascertain.

Well, they found the Higgs. And that was a big deal. The bad news, actually really bad news, is that it looks like they won't discover anything else. The laws of physics, as we already knew them, just turned out to be too accurate. There hasn't been anything other than the Higgs that hasn't gone exactly as expected.

That's not a humble-brag, by the way, even for the community as a whole. It's actually a really serious problem that the people in particle physics don't seem to have anything that breaks with expectations. Because that leaves them with no guidance for future theories. People are literally dropping out of the field because there's nothing for them to work on.

>Could they theoretically warp space time?

They could, and they do, in extremely tiny amounts. But so do you. The gravitational field is a manifestation of warped spacetime. So anything that produces a gravitational field (which is literally anything made of matter and/or energy), warps spacetime.

Extreme warping of spacetime occurs in black holes. Unfortunately LHC doesn't seem to have nearly enough energy to produce black holes. It would have been really cool (and no, not dangerous) if it had.

Extreme warping of spacetime is also often associated with wormholes, but there were never any expectations that LHC could produce wormholes, and there are basic reasons to think that wormholes likely can't be produced on a macroscopic scale. (I say this as one of the few people in the world who's actually done formal research on wormholes. They're extremely interesting things, but unfortunately not things that seem to actually exist.)

  

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