nothing worse than entitled ivory tower academics and liberal hipster closeted racists trying to change a language structure that has worked just fine for thousands of years (newsflash: LGBT folk didn't just magically appear out of thin air) to fit their cultural imperialist agenda so they can feel better about their condescending holier than thou aren't I so progressive colonial mindset

"Latinx" didn't come from the common vernacular, from the people, from the culture, which is how all languages evolve. It comes from a ultra far left PC "we know what's good for you" *pats head* mindframe. It's not even Spanglish, which does come from the Americanized Latino/Latina culture. Meanwhile, NOWHERE IN LATIN AMERICA is anyone saying "Latinx" (question: how does one say "Latinx" in Spanish?)

Furthermore, Spanish is not the only gendered language in use today. Are PC hipsters and closeted racists prepared to add the "x" suffix to Arabic, Hebrew, Portuguese, French, and other gendered languages spoken by millions and millions?

It's wild disrespectful to impose a colonialist worldview on people who neither asked nor were consulted about it. "Latinx" is some feel good gloss over of the real issues Latinos, Latinas, and the community at large (by that I mean the human race) should be discussing and evolving on: sexism, machismo, homophobia, racism, and colorism.

I 100% emphatically reject cultural PC overseers attempting to impose their faux-enlightened language appropriation. FOH

about the word latinx than i have in real life or anywhere else

i think i may have seen it used in a show once

who is using this? where do you see it used?

*shrug*

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they pronounced it "Latin X" I believe (I had always read it as 'la-tinx')
then had to explain what it meant

which may well prove the OP's point

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Is it literally "Latin X?"

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

but we have people running around saying cisgendered and calling people with Hue in their skin minority.

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I'm neither part of the Latin nor trans/genderfluid/etc community so I don't have strong feelings or insight on the subject.

I know a number of people who use Mx as their title, that doesn't really come up in general conversation with them.

Not sure how you would pronounce that out loud

I don't know the history of "Latinx", but people of Latin descent who don't identity as one specific gender DO exist. I don't know if this was a term/concept coined by that specific community.

As with most matters of language, time will tell.

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>I know a number of people who use Mx as their title, that
>doesn't really come up in general conversation with them.
>
>Not sure how you would pronounce that out loud

http://i.imgur.com/maUCWpp.gif

however, unless its within the latin community it doesn't make sense to me.

same as cisgender.

folks just sitting around thinking of new words in order to keep folks on their toes?

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It's not born from white elitism but the people who have been proponents of its usage have probably had more direct contact with white elitism in academia than the average person. Don't mistake what informs it for what creates it.

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it replaces latino and latina?

is this correct?

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Nigga proud too.


I see it with people that self identify with it

Whether it's the lead singer of the Downtown Boys or the lead singer of Hurray for the Riff Raff

And it's their preferred nomenclature I'd be a loud idiot to try to tell them otherwise

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then honor it

don't make me jump through hoops or feel bad because I'm not up on all the newest latest.

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Like when was the last time you used either Latino or Latina in your day to day life?

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so more than likely in casual convo when discussing politics or a certain part of town.

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And it's a topic that's barely breached. So again when do you use those terms and when was the last time.

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or talking about how much of the latino population would vote in Meck county.

Any time I talk about them as a whole I use Latino...

My wife teaches ballet outreach to mostly latino kids. So anytime I'm in the presence of her coworkers we always refer to them as latino's.

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>or talking about how much of the latino population would vote
>in Meck county.
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>Any time I talk about them as a whole I use Latino...
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>My wife teaches ballet outreach to mostly latino kids. So
>anytime I'm in the presence of her coworkers we always refer
>to them as latino's.


Can I ask "why?"
Like why don't you know or reference where they're from as opposed to being generic "latinos"?

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I'm not that involved in their day to day lives. So when discussing a kid I may ask if they are black or latino depending on the circumstances to get a better understanding of the story since it usually involves parents complaining or not following through on something.

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I just do what my wife needs when I go to the site to pick up my kids.

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most scenarios the name will make sense or their profession or pretty much anything else

but i guess in that rare situation where they let you know they prefer latinx and you need to for some reason let someone know they are you use it

*shrug*

and it's terrible to try and guess and get it wrong.

Just tell me your name when I ask and I will call you by it.

If I say something that offends you, speak on it and I will do the same.

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shit

but real talk, if I really wanted to know why not ask instead of guessing?

Why should anyone be mad at being asked that question in casual convo?

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Whispering about is such and such preggos
"Well if I don't know how can I congratulate her"
"Why do you need to congratulate her?
*crickets*

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you're telling kevin about what herter, who happens to be from honduras, was working on and hes like whos herter???

you're like you know, the one that had those earings...no?? the one who helped you with ____....no?? uh the non-gendered person who is on earth.

i guess the problem lays with kevin lol

>don't make me jump through hoops or feel bad because I'm not
>up on all the newest latest.
>

That's pretty insecure.

Just IMO though.

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They actually want to be referred to as.

I'm not going to go out of my way to be an asshole.

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Like why did any of these languages do it in the first place@!?@?@?

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it kind of just makes sense that some inanimate objects are masculine vs feminine in some weird way, but in a whole other way it makes no sense.

whats the alternative to la or el?

if you want a calculator and gender has removed from it, how do you ask for one?

me pasas __ calculatorx?

and the other Romance languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender_in_Spanish

i know wikipedia but sometimes it gets to the point quicker

definitely requires retraining

me it's makes no sense at all on any level.

Also makes me think about how George Orwell talked about how you can shape thinking through grammer and language.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i am not saying that it naturally made sense to me but i guess by the time i was old enough to realize it was ingrained in me so much that it felt natural.

there are definitely some examples that you would think would be flipped.

Cars are masculine, caro/coche

Pick-up Trucks are feminine, troca/camioneta

trucks in the us are typically seen as a manly thing, pretty much same everywhere i imagine. yet it gets a feminine word. lol

i’ma call them latinx.

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PC fuckery

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LOLIBSLOL

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FOH

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Where are the marches? the protests? the signs? the olympic fists? the symbols? the organizations? the media pressure? ANYTHING
which leaders are standing up demanding our dignity and humanity to be called latinx?
where are the boycotts? the sit-ins? who is being imprisoned or killed?

Again, latinx is not from the community or the culture
It's from the academy and the hipster closet racists
fuck an overseer

Would that work for you?

Because right now you're conflating a response to hetero gender norms with God knows what.

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did we go too far with the terms as Black folk?

Negro, Afro American, African American, Black American, Black...

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It's imperfect, it's evolving, but it's ours.

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I get moving on from what THEY were calling us. However, once we got to African American did we keep running past the goal line and out of the stadium?

folks are only gonna follow you for so long before they shrug and ignore your request.

It's like my boy back in college who couldn't settle on a rap name. Every few months he would change it. Shit got old.

and please, don't think I'm saying what the white man calls someone should be law. I just think the more letters you add to your description the more folks tune you out.

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It's no different than one changing their hair or first name or where they're from.
It's not that we went too far it's that it's a natural part of human nature; to define yourself based on your lived experience is to be human.

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https://rampages.us/nancepseudoscience/wp-content/uploads/sites/11236/2015/09/slipperyslope-450x540.jpg

That's just goofy.
Dude should say he doesn't want to learn shit
That he can't keep up
That he has trouble evolving and growing his language
That he's stuck in his ways
All of which is fine

But to declare self identification BS and a result of rampant PC culture is projective bullshit.

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or foot in mouth lol

i get you

i kinda get him too

if the person that the term applies to deems it important then get with it

if someone outside the term is trying to force the term on others then wtf?

i'm latino but admittedly disconnected from super progressive trends. hispanic bothers me as do slurs. other than that *shrug*

but as i said, if it is important to you (general, not you specifically) then doesn't hurt me to respect it

Because his point is he doesn't respect the existence of the term.

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i may be wrongly assuming he is latino and doesn't appreciate non latino's trying to force their own term on latinos

could be a very incorrect premise

the irony is the term comes from young "latinas" that are typically queer and trans, and organizers or artist, and not necessarily academics

i have never heard or seen a fucn white person or a "PC hipster," even be up on game enough to use Latinx...

which was an evolution from Latin@, with the "@" being a caracol that embraces male/female and the opening for the sex and genders in between.

Latin@ was used in FUCN Zapatista communiques and by public intellectuals like Gustavo Castro, Suri Prakash, Gustavo Esteva.

Latinx is part of that evolution, which I hope ends with the ultimate erasure of the term and Latinx folk begin to say I am Panamanian, Honduran, Mexican, Guatemalan, Salvadoran, etc. The term itself is not only gendered it creates erasures like a muthafucka

#thisplacesad im out

i can even see a case for a spanish language program to refer to the community as latinx in an effort to be inclusive.

i have no need to be referred to as latinx, latino is fine but i doubt i would be offended to be referred to as latinx.

im not sure that the latinx community is very cohesive, i dont think mexicans identify that much with other countries from central america or south america. yeah we speak the same language and immigrated here but not sure theres any unspoken bond between us. at least not as much as might seem logical.

definitely some common goals and interests.

I/we got bigger issues (that I pointed out)
to let some PC guilt make up shit out of thin air
was there a mass movement and a demand from the American Latino diaspora to refer to us as "Latinx" ??

FOH, cultural imperialist pendejos got no wins en mi casa

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To Be Or Not to Be Latinx? For Some Hispanics, That Is the Question.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/be-latinx-or-not-be-latinx-some-hispanics-question-n817911

in trying to find out more about this word the above article was the first result. kinda ironic title no?

“If people don’t identify on the gender binary, why not include them?” Moreno asked. “This is another term which moves the identity conversation forward. It promotes fairness and inclusivity, which I think is a good thing. It is not about taking away identity; it is about giving more identity to more people.”

Those resistant to using Latinx point out that Spanish, like other romance languages, is inherently gendered. “We are not arguing against gender-inclusive language…” wrote Gilbert Guerra and Gilbert Orbea in a much-shared 2015 column in The Phoenix, the independent campus newspaper of Swarthmore College. “We see, however, a misguided desire to forcibly change the language we and millions of people around the world speak, to the detriment of all.” Guerra and Orbea asserted that, if all of the Spanish language were de-gendered, the result could be words like “hermanx” (for siblings) and “ninx” (children).

Although it is difficult to pinpoint the origins of Latinx, several people told NBC News that they became aware of it in 2014, and that the word began among Latino LGBTQ communities. While there is anecdotal evidence that the term is used in Latin America, it is without question on the rise at U.S. colleges. Latinx is in usage everywhere from University of Nevada, Las Vegas to the University of Iowa to Princeton University.

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Basically, people who dont identify as male or female and latino or latina would apply would prefer latinx.

if you do identify as male or female and prefer latino or latina then thats cool too

seems pretty simple from that point of view. why not?

but then there are latino/as I know that clown it too

followed by mexican-american before latin or latino chicano would be before latino for sure and i would feel weird using chicano. i feel like chicano has to be earned.

other people i have asked about latinx here have all asked me what is that

i think i am understanding the OPs point as this is a term that is not normally used within the communities themselves or pushed by them. i get why that doesn't seem right.

it may be the latinx (damn it) that will first identify as white before mexican, cuban, salvadorian, or whatever that might be pushing this in predominately white communities.

It's usually the activist / academic latinxs that are pushing the term in white-dominated cultural spaces. If you're latino at UC Berkeley taking Latin Politics it's more likely you will use this term than a latino who is serving in the military, a latino over the age of 35, or a latino who is from a red state, for example.

Like the op points out, it's not within the communities that the term has taken hold, but I also don't think it's white people pushing their own gender progressivism on latinos, necessarily

i think some people feel weird having Americans project their cultural hangups and way of thinking onto another persons culture and language.

I'm not sure where the origins of this movement come from, but none of the spanish speakers or portugese speakers i know really use latinx.

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Because I sincerely doubt that Ira Glass woke up one day and decided to be general neutral towards latinos on his own.

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