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"Game of Thrones. Brilliant, creative, good story, and RACIST af."
Mon Jan-22-18 02:20 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

Before anyone even starts, this isn't about "complaining" but moreso questioning why it's so easy for Black people to overlook this kind of thing and how this ties into our collective low self-esteem as a people... how does it drill that lack of esteem into us on a subconscious level?

A brother at work just asked me to watch Game of Thrones (I call it Racist Thrones after doing so), because he wanted a black person to talk about it with. Here's what I noticed...

EVERY black or brown person on that show is either a criminal, prostitute, or eunuch with the exception of Missandei who's basically a freed house slave/interpreter. The Dothraki are a black/brown people and are the only population frequently referred to as savages, and they're the only people whose leaders consistently express their desire to rape and enslave other populations, despite the treachery and incest in the white populations. Rape and slavery is something only the lowly do in the white populations. It's a way of life for the black/brown ones. ALL of the enslaved populations are black/brown people enslaved by other black/brown people, and Daenerys is the good, virtuous white person who's on some kind of free-the-slaves tour which deals ONLY with those populations. They showed black WHORES in the streets, being fondled and fucked and LOVING it just prior to showing her losing her sacred virginity, being so pure and virtuous LOL. I say whores, because they aren't prostitutes when one can just grab them and publicly fuck them.

When it came to Grey Worm, there were some interesting things at work. He's the only upstanding, honorable black male character on the show... but he just happens to be castrated. And it's not the figurative black male castration where he's just w/o a partner or his partner dies. He's not gay like white folks LOVE their black male characters. Nah, he's LITERALLY castrated. He also gets with Missandei, and this goes back to CORE tenet of racism. They will not be producing more black people... they're effectively solving the infamous "Negro Problem." Not just that tho, he's also learning to speak english... which sounds like a good thing, right? But that fact also means he's the only character close to the main cast who speaks broken english (another trope). I know people will say "omg that's reaching" but just take a moment to consider why white males prefer that imagery for a black male... hell also think about the effects of that imagery being burned into the minds of black people (and white people) subconsciously.
Oh, and there's also a scene where they break into a house, hunting an insurgent. They find no one. Grey Worm says they should leave, b/c no one is there. White guy asks if he's scared, to which GW replies "I am Unsullied, Unsullied fear nothing." White guy basically tells him that he's gotten dumb, b/c he no longer understands fear. White dude then punches through the wall to discover the insurgent hiding there. Not only is Grey Worm castrated and speaking broken english, but his fearlessness (usually an admirable characteristic) makes him stupid. But enjoy it, it's the best black male character you got... lol.

Now even with all this, in the GoT post on here, Atillah mentioned that the Unsullied were black/brown eunuchs. Niggas really responded "Well Varys and Theon are white and they're castrated!" How do you still not get the point. White people have a wide range of character portrayals from Jon Snow, Arya Stark, Tyrion Lannister, Catelyn Stark, Daenerys, Davos, Brienne of Tarth, etc. These are either fierce warriors or intelligent people. Name the equivalent for the black characters since you can name white equivalents for castrated black characters. Can you? Of course you can't. Do niggas even understand the concept of a trope? All the black/brown characters are tropes. Sure, they'll put you in the show but you're relegated to certain roles.

On that same note, I've said to cats that there could be a black/brown family in the mix somewhere vying for the throne, and gotten the response that that would be unrealistic, b/c it's far north. LOL. I mean, you're watching a show with dragons, a dead army, magic, and all other kind of unrealistic stuff, and suddenly you care about what's realistic. Hilarious. At that point, they could be like Inhumans and have black, asian and white all in one family as blood relatives (although Inhumans played their black character too... he's half bull and dumb).
*EDIT* Notice also that the black/brown populations are enacting lifetime CHATTEL slavery. White people invented that, so if you wanna talk about realism, they're all off. Not to mention Daenerys is the pure, virtuous white woman running around putting an end to it, b/c she just can't stand it LOL.

Another thing that kinda irks me is that we (Black folks) will check out this show and LOVE it, even with its all white main cast and disrespectful casting of black/brown people. Yet, if the roles were reversed, our white coworkers/friends who love talking about this show would NOT be rocking with it. They see themselves in too many great roles to accept that. Their self-esteem isn't that shot.

I actually wish all the characters were white if that's the best they can do for black/brown characters, because I like the concept and story and all. Daenerys' part of the story is just CHOCK FULL of racism tho, good god. Not to mention she's the worst actor on the show (Tyrion is the best actor in the main cast, imo). Arya Stark is my favorite character. The guys at work all love Jon Snow and I see why... he's a central character, a leader, a warrior, intelligent, composed, his genitals are in-tact, and he's extremely honorable. Too bad there are no black and brown characters for whom you can say the same.




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Including the Summer Isles and their history in the TV show might have h...
Jan 22nd 2018
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yep...i had the idea of doin a whole spinoff series about them and the
Jan 22nd 2018
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can't argue any of this.
Jan 22nd 2018
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ya its pretty blatant
Jan 22nd 2018
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oh he would certainly explain it away or deny it like wypipo always do
Jan 22nd 2018
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      this is why i wish more people read robert jordan
Jan 22nd 2018
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Tyrion=best actor, Arya=my favorite character
Jan 22nd 2018
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the racial shit is so sketch but the "white" people in the show are
Jan 22nd 2018
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that's pretty much how it is in real life too.
Jan 22nd 2018
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yup, other than dany i feel like its not sugar coated at all
Jan 22nd 2018
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^^^
Jan 22nd 2018
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true
Jan 22nd 2018
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There's alotta variety with the white folks.
Jan 22nd 2018
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      oh i agree completely i was just going with the angle of
Jan 22nd 2018
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           I feel you
Jan 22nd 2018
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The genre romanticizes a time when brown people were in Spain and Italy
Jan 22nd 2018
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It is based off of European pathology
Jan 22nd 2018
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which i get it, fine atleast its not completely romanticized
Jan 22nd 2018
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And as mentioned in the OP, it's projected onto black/brown ppl with the
Jan 22nd 2018
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      Oh no doubt I mean that is what Black folks are
Jan 22nd 2018
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           RE: Oh no doubt I mean that is what Black folks are
Jan 23rd 2018
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uh yeah it's a Western medieval fantasy...
Jan 22nd 2018
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Do you like the show?
Jan 23rd 2018
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agreed
Jan 22nd 2018
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them hot 2015 takes whew
Jan 22nd 2018
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On point
Jan 22nd 2018
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refresh my memory:
Jan 22nd 2018
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the rich black dude is the guy that first let Dany into the City
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The black guy who was begging for Dany's hand in marriage pretty much
Jan 22nd 2018
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The other rich Black guy got off'ed by the Sons of the Harpy
Jan 22nd 2018
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Wait til you see what the show creators are working on AFTER GoT
Jan 22nd 2018
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Ha!!!
Jan 22nd 2018
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Lolllllll. People on some "duh" and "you reaching" tho...
Jan 23rd 2018
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I mean have you seen bright lol? Fools are in Orkface
Jan 22nd 2018
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Haven't gotten around to it yet...
Jan 22nd 2018
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      don't. life is too short
Jan 22nd 2018
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           lol
Jan 22nd 2018
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so Robert Jordan used historical context in his stories
Jan 22nd 2018
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COARSE!!??
Jan 22nd 2018
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yes people are described as they appear to the characters in
Jan 22nd 2018
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      Cool, I should have added a jk to that
Jan 22nd 2018
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           LOL you got me on that
Jan 22nd 2018
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That's wassup
Jan 22nd 2018
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I hate how the Unsully can’t fight for shit.
Jan 22nd 2018
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They like the Orcs from Lord of the Rings
Jan 22nd 2018
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yeeeeeah but...
Jan 22nd 2018
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWBvmNEt0M
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eh. not really.
Jan 22nd 2018
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      I hear you. When it’s reality or close to it e.g. the wire then cool I...
Jan 24th 2018
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Cause it may ruin your viewing experience?
Jan 22nd 2018
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Couldn't you say Empire is racist for the same reasoning?
Jan 22nd 2018
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Empire is racist though lol
Jan 22nd 2018
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That shit isn’t racist. Just over the top.
Jan 22nd 2018
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You don’t think it’s a racist portrayal of black life and success?
Jan 22nd 2018
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      FUCKING. FIX. YOUR. SIG.
Jan 22nd 2018
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      Haha I can’t change it now. It’s grown on me
Jan 22nd 2018
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           Drop it lower and put a line between it
Jan 24th 2018
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      No. Especially when you hear about some of these record labels
Jan 22nd 2018
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           I find that so strange. How do you know there would be no interest?
Jan 24th 2018
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and wildly, rampantly misogynistic
Jan 24th 2018
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Like how some Italians think mob movies are racist?
Jan 22nd 2018
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      I don’t think it’d be as concerning if there was more balance
Jan 22nd 2018
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           But there is one Power, one Empire, one Atlanta, one Insecure
Jan 22nd 2018
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                it's a start
Jan 24th 2018
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ruin? no.
Jan 22nd 2018
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      Gotcha. I thought you were coming from the die hard fan angle.
Jan 22nd 2018
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lmao...
Jan 23rd 2018
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Wildlings = savages, and white
Jan 22nd 2018
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RE: Wildlings = savages, and white
Jan 22nd 2018
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There's that. The post still stands... especially this part....
Jan 23rd 2018
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Its in the blood of the fantasy genre
Jan 22nd 2018
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ya like for real theon the most despicable character in the show
Jan 22nd 2018
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      XXD was rocking 10 gold chains but he was a fuck nigga
Jan 22nd 2018
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           bless Zorro Von Ducksauce heart
Jan 22nd 2018
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           got his people outside screaming ITS THAT DAMN WHITE LADIES
Jan 22nd 2018
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Never watched that shit, yo.
Jan 22nd 2018
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Damn now I hate the show. Bad enough the creator is a Giants fan!
Jan 22nd 2018
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or is he?
Jan 22nd 2018
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Lol
Jan 23rd 2018
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Grey Worm is one of the baddest MFers of all time, in any story
Jan 22nd 2018
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Ok. He's still the only decent black male and he's castrated.
Jan 23rd 2018
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you can pretty much do this with 90% of movies & tv shows out there
Jan 22nd 2018
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Is there an opinionated conclusion to your statement or are you just
Jan 23rd 2018
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      You could’ve said the entertainment industry is racist but attacking.....
Jan 23rd 2018
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           Are you trying to tell us that you're aren't very bright, sir?
Jan 23rd 2018
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                Seems like you watched it with an agenda, if that's the case you might.....
Jan 23rd 2018
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                     Nah, I just watched it as a Black person with healthy self-esteem.
Jan 23rd 2018
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                          So you sat down and watched 60 hours of a racist tv show?
Jan 23rd 2018
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                               Now you're asking questions you already know the answer to.
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casual normalized modern pathology is worst
Jan 22nd 2018
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Word. Helps perpetuate the culture of devaluing Black life...
Jan 23rd 2018
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Frank wilderson iii, black death
Jan 23rd 2018
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      blud, with a white woman. shit hilarious to me
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           didnt know he had a white woman now
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Yup. The books are a bit less so.
Jan 23rd 2018
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That's always funny to me...
Jan 23rd 2018
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I think it's worse now
Jan 23rd 2018
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RE:
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I thought about this when watching the Force Awakens
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      I like how you saved your real beef for last.
Jan 24th 2018
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      Yeah, as soon as dude strolled out naked in that plastic suit.. smh
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      thought it was just me lol. Kylo has an upside down red cross too btw
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      lol, facts
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white imagination isn't limited the intent is to limit black imagination...
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      I somewhat agree, tho I do think some chicken & egg shit is at play
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Yeah, but look. I can't hate everything.
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basically...
Jan 24th 2018
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the real enemy in GoT are white blue eyed demons from the frigid north
Jan 24th 2018
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lol when you put it that way AND they turn babies to their side by touch
Jan 24th 2018
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Yall want to live in their world, but get VIP treatment from them?
Jan 24th 2018
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*double post*
Jan 25th 2018
How'd you read the beginning of the OP and come to this conclusion?
Jan 25th 2018
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1. "Including the Summer Isles and their history in the TV show might have h..."
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...Might have helped

Probably not a lot, but it would have been an improvement.

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9. "yep...i had the idea of doin a whole spinoff series about them and the "
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Ulthos/Shadowlands/Jade Sea folks


since they are doin spinoffs

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2. "can't argue any of this."
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but damn, it's a good show. i wish it didn't uphold these white supremacist ideals quite like it does.

and Tyrion is my favorite/the best character to me too.

  

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5. "ya its pretty blatant"
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and i feel like the author would probably hide behind some kind of bizarre historical context or something

  

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10. "oh he would certainly explain it away or deny it like wypipo always do"
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12. "this is why i wish more people read robert jordan"
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he handled race well in his books

  

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24. "Tyrion=best actor, Arya=my favorite character"
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>but damn, it's a good show. i wish it didn't uphold these
>white supremacist ideals quite like it does.

It's the only reason I refused to buy it.
Like, how low would my self-esteem have to be to PAY
someone to depict black people like that?
I don't even wanna imagine.

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3. "the racial shit is so sketch but the "white" people in the show are"
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so fucking horrible the "minorities" in the show end up appearing more virtuous to me


/shrug

  

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4. "that's pretty much how it is in real life too."
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6. "yup, other than dany i feel like its not sugar coated at all"
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the dany white lady savior with white hair is a little wack for me

  

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8. "^^^"
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it's an apt depiction of colonialism

"look at those savages"

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16. "true"
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Boogie Stimuli
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19. "There's alotta variety with the white folks."
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So they aren't relegated to only playing tropes.
This is addressed more thoroughly in the OP tho.

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22. "oh i agree completely i was just going with the angle of"
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its just not so completely romanticized like some of the white savior themes of the past which kinda gives it a more stark historical context

  

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27. "I feel you"
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7. "The genre romanticizes a time when brown people were in Spain and Italy"
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it can't not be racist seeing as how the word race came into existence around that time as well

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11. "It is based off of European pathology"
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and folklore literally and figuratively.

The song of fire and ice is a adaption of old Germanic folklore where these mofos make themselves a master race.

It is not surprising how racist it is because it mixes mid age Europe after they got crushed by the Mongols and Moors conquered them and the tables turned.

I peeped all you are saying too and in my estimation our people are so numb to it because US media since it's inception has overtly and covertly portrayed Black folks like this to the point many of us internalize and act it out in media and real life.

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13. "which i get it, fine atleast its not completely romanticized"
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i could do without the dances with fern gully white savior though

  

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18. "And as mentioned in the OP, it's projected onto black/brown ppl with the"
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lifetime chattel slavery being something only the Dothraki and other black/brown populations on the show do.

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42. "Oh no doubt I mean that is what Black folks are"
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meant to be in perpetuity in the European settlers colonies.

Funny part is they will never show those that fought back and were victorious or never quit.

With that said this is Western media 101.

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73. "RE: Oh no doubt I mean that is what Black folks are"
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>meant to be in perpetuity in the European settlers colonies.


Oh most definitely. You can see how the creators
of the show think in this show alone. BUT, the
fact that they're working on a show called
"Confederate" where slavery still exists REALLY
drives your point home.


>Funny part is they will never show those that fought back and
>were victorious or never quit.



Oh hell naw. That's off the white supremacist code.
Tis why they had to shut Nate Parker's Birth of a Nation
down.



>With that said this is Western media 101.


Most def.

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14. "uh yeah it's a Western medieval fantasy..."
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74. "Do you like the show?"
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15. "agreed"
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surprised it hasnt been a big deal

still love the show but yeah. kind of justify it with well this is based on medieval times in europe but is it really? like you said, plenty of non-realistic things in the show that makes it hard to argue to have good representation for minorities.

  

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17. "them hot 2015 takes whew"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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20. "On point"
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Plus you got the rich Black man who turned out to be fraud and the Pirate who disappeared.

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21. "refresh my memory:"
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>Plus you got the rich Black man who turned out to be fraud
>and the Pirate who disappeared.

  

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23. "the rich black dude is the guy that first let Dany into the City"
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the pirate we've seen like twice lol

  

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32. "25"
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What he said, remember got locked in the empty vault.

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25. "The black guy who was begging for Dany's hand in marriage pretty much"
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from the moment he met her. Couldn't resist the
oh so lovely, virtuous, pure white woman.
I was like 'Oh GOD'. Then he turns out to be a
treacherous nigga who she locks up forever LOL. Smh.

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47. "The other rich Black guy got off'ed by the Sons of the Harpy"
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26. "Wait til you see what the show creators are working on AFTER GoT"
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58. "Ha!!!"
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I know right?

  

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81. "Lolllllll. People on some "duh" and "you reaching" tho..."
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I didn't even realize they were the same creators of that Confederate garbage, but WOW. They're literally working on a show where American chattel slavery never ended, and people are defending them... can't even agree that the dudes have a thing for enslaved black/brown populations lmaoooooo. "Well um, they got bad white people too!" LOL
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28. "I mean have you seen bright lol? Fools are in Orkface "
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white folks wearing monster masks acting like black folks in the hood

shit is wild

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31. "Haven't gotten around to it yet..."
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I'll check it out at some point.

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33. "don't. life is too short"
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36. "lol"
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29. "so Robert Jordan used historical context in his stories"
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and there was a bit of racism i guess you could call it that, there was a group of "Savage" type people but they are more closely related to the japanese as far as culture and all that who were definitely looked down upon that you of course (like in dances with wolves) find out they are more civilized blah blah blah



but how he handled actual race in the books was nice, people werent desribed as "black" or "white" they were described using actual descriptors and there was never a classist or racial slant to it


like you could imagine the world he described existing the way it did without people looking at someone and thinking ABC because their hair was dark and coarse it was kind of refreshing to read as a teenager

  

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34. "COARSE!!?? "
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https://youtu.be/I0VZj-85E5o

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45. "yes people are described as they appear to the characters in "
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the story

and you can imagine they are meeeting people as you would if you traveled around the world however the racial thing is completely removed from the equation in a sense that there is never any kind of judgement based on their skin color or predetermined "class"

now classism and bigotry absolutely exist in the story but its always in more of a caste/financial class ya know?

then on top of it there is no real consistency as far as this one group of people taking on some stereotype or this level of power etc... (except the previously mentioned correlation to the japanese) so to me its a story written in a way while having historical context spins it a bit and applies people's bigotry towards other via a different angle

  

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48. "Cool, I should have added a jk to that "
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Messing with you along the lines of “if white people describe their skin as fair does that mean non white people have unfair skin?”

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50. "LOL you got me on that"
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pulled me way offsides lol

  

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35. "That's wassup"
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I don't even read alotta fiction, but it's good
to know so I can put this stuff in the hands of
younger people who do. The mind is a terrible
thing to program with the wrong stuff lol.

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30. "I hate how the Unsully can’t fight for shit. "
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and those fine ass Sand chicks went out like chumps too.

At least the Delthraky can fight but yeah, they make them look so uncivilized. All they do is fuck and fight.

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38. "They like the Orcs from Lord of the Rings"
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>and those fine ass Sand chicks went out like chumps too.
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Grand opening....Grand closing Yeah that was weak.

>At least the Delthraky can fight but yeah, they make them look
>so uncivilized. All they do is fuck and fight.

Birth of a Nation called Game of Thrones.

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37. "yeeeeeah but..."
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I don't disagree with your assessment but I also disagree and the thing is I can't figure out why exactly.

perhaps its because I can't watch the show with real eyes while everything is so deeply based on fantasy that bringing in any concepts of race make everything else fall apart. The act of watching GoT is not like watching How I Met Your Mother for example.

even then now that I typed that I'm still not sure why I'm not fully buying your points although really valid.

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40. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWBvmNEt0M"
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52. "eh. not really. "
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i mean, shit, I got freaked out when I watched the first Harry Potter stoned as fuck and I realized the bankers were lil' jewish elves

maybe its kinda like the wire where on one hand some folks want to be mad at how black people are depicted but then its a precarious position to have once you realize everyone is dirty

i'm going to keep thinking about this one

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110. "I hear you. When it’s reality or close to it e.g. the wire then cool I..."
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41. "Cause it may ruin your viewing experience? "
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I watch the show but I definitely see it.

However, since I got ATL, Blackish, Empire, Black Lightning, Power, Survivors Remorse, Insecure, etc I don’t trip.

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44. "Couldn't you say Empire is racist for the same reasoning?"
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49. "Empire is racist though lol"
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54. "That shit isn’t racist. Just over the top. "
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It’s basically a Black Soap Opera.

But the same folks who won’t watch it because Black folks are jamming it up will watch Girls, GoT, Louis CK and other all white shit proudly. Smh.

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56. "You don’t think it’s a racist portrayal of black life and success?"
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63. "FUCKING. FIX. YOUR. SIG. "
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everytime i read your posts I'm like "man wtf does Oprah have to with...oh. GODDAMNIT"

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64. "Haha I can’t change it now. It’s grown on me"
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105. "Drop it lower and put a line between it"
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so it's separate from the body of the message. Someone had a video link in their sig just like yours and I would click on it over and over because it was so close with no line.

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69. "No. Especially when you hear about some of these record labels"
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and how wild they were back in the day.

Sensational and over the top? Sure... but it’s TV. No one wants to see a Black family running a record label all proper and pinky up.

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96. "I find that so strange. How do you know there would be no interest?"
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I would watch that show

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94. "and wildly, rampantly misogynistic"
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Daniels HATES Black women something terrible

  

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51. "Like how some Italians think mob movies are racist?"
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Ionno, it’s mindless entertainment to me.

I hate how everyone else gets to chill and watch their shows and not give a duck but we have to peel back every layer anytime a Black show has a good run.

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60. "I don’t think it’d be as concerning if there was more balance "
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Seems like there’s 10 Empires, Power, etc for every one Insecure or Atlanta

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72. "But there is one Power, one Empire, one Atlanta, one Insecure"
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104. "it's a start"
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53. "ruin? no. "
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maybe.

i mean, I'm already on the edge with totally not being into the show because of all the over the top fantasy stuff

maybe for me its a running list of priorities of shit that bothers me about the show and the race stuff is like number 10

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55. "Gotcha. I thought you were coming from the die hard fan angle. "
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75. "lmao..."
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>I also disagree and the thing is I can't figure out why exactly.


You didn't have to say anymore, but what
you said reveals even more...


>perhaps its because I can't watch the show with real eyes
>while everything is so deeply based on fantasy that bringing
>in any concepts of race make everything else fall apart. The
>act of watching GoT is not like watching How I Met Your Mother
>for example.


They both are made for the same society to consume.
They both reflect ideas of the creators. They are
both approved by the same industry. Entertainment
is used for social control via the planting of subconscious
images and ideas. GoT is simply MUCH more creative
with the way they plant them. So crucial that we
be smart enough to see through it.


>even then now that I typed that I'm still not sure why I'm not
>fully buying your points although really valid.


Well as long as you realize it's valid I guess.
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39. "Wildlings = savages, and white"
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Those Martells from Dorne didn't look white to me

that's all I got though

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59. "RE: Wildlings = savages, and white"
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yeah......those points are true. So maybe that's why I didn't see the problems as much as the OP.

  

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80. "There's that. The post still stands... especially this part...."
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"White people have a wide range of character portrayals from Jon Snow, Arya Stark, Tyrion Lannister, Catelyn Stark, Daenerys, Davos, Brienne of Tarth, etc. These are either fierce warriors or intelligent people. Name the equivalent for the black characters since you can name white equivalents for castrated black characters. Can you? Of course you can't."

and this...

"The guys at work all love Jon Snow and I see why... he's a central character, a leader, a warrior, intelligent, composed, his genitals are in-tact, and he's extremely honorable. Too bad there are no black and brown characters for whom you can say the same."

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43. "Its in the blood of the fantasy genre"
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Everyone cribs from Tolkien’s blueprint and its a fucked up racist one. Thing is my parents and to be honest, hip-hop helped give me perspective since it was my fav genre growing up but even at 10 I saw it as bullshit.

For a show that does a great job of deconstructing much of their tropes (ie, the hero dies often) its nuts at how they left that shit in. I love the books, love the show, but that same ten year old Reggie disappointment was there with how generic the racial stereotypes played out.

  

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46. "ya like for real theon the most despicable character in the show"
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gets a god damned entire arc where he ends up looking like not a complete piece of shit, i mean we get a trip through ALL the levels of theon

but we cant have a black dude thats not a slave or a pirate?

  

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57. "XXD was rocking 10 gold chains but he was a fuck nigga"
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so now he rockin em in the vault.

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66. "bless Zorro Von Ducksauce heart"
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I wonder if he got to smash Doreah a couple more times before they suffocated to death.

  

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67. "got his people outside screaming ITS THAT DAMN WHITE LADIES"
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FAULT

  

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61. "Never watched that shit, yo."
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62. "Damn now I hate the show. Bad enough the creator is a Giants fan!"
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>Before anyone even starts, this isn't about "complaining" but
>moreso questioning why it's so easy for Black people to
>overlook this kind of thing and how this ties into our
>collective low self-esteem as a people... how does it drill
>that lack of esteem into us on a subconscious level?
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>A brother at work just asked me to watch Game of Thrones (I
>call it Racist Thrones after doing so), because he wanted a
>black person to talk about it with. Here's what I noticed...
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>EVERY black or brown person on that show is either a criminal,
>prostitute, or eunuch with the exception of Missandei who's
>basically a freed house slave/interpreter. The Dothraki are a
>black/brown people and are the only population frequently
>referred to as savages, and they're the only people whose
>leaders consistently express their desire to rape and enslave
>other populations, despite the treachery and incest in the
>white populations. Rape and slavery is something only the
>lowly do in the white populations. It's a way of life for the
>black/brown ones. ALL of the enslaved populations are
>black/brown people enslaved by other black/brown people, and
>Daenerys is the good, virtuous white person who's on some kind
>of free-the-slaves tour which deals ONLY with those
>populations. They showed black WHORES in the streets, being
>fondled and fucked and LOVING it just prior to showing her
>losing her sacred virginity, being so pure and virtuous LOL.
>I say whores, because they aren't prostitutes when one can
>just grab them and publicly fuck them.
>
>When it came to Grey Worm, there were some interesting things
>at work. He's the only upstanding, honorable black male
>character on the show... but he just happens to be castrated.
>And it's not the figurative black male castration where he's
>just w/o a partner or his partner dies. He's not gay like
>white folks LOVE their black male characters. Nah, he's
>LITERALLY castrated. He also gets with Missandei, and this
>goes back to CORE tenet of racism. They will not be producing
>more black people... they're effectively solving the infamous
>"Negro Problem." Not just that tho, he's also learning to
>speak english... which sounds like a good thing, right? But
>that fact also means he's the only character close to the main
>cast who speaks broken english (another trope). I know people
>will say "omg that's reaching" but just take a moment to
>consider why white males prefer that imagery for a black
>male... hell also think about the effects of that imagery
>being burned into the minds of black people (and white people)
>subconsciously.
>Oh, and there's also a scene where they break into a house,
>hunting an insurgent. They find no one. Grey Worm says they
>should leave, b/c no one is there. White guy asks if he's
>scared, to which GW replies "I am Unsullied, Unsullied fear
>nothing." White guy basically tells him that he's gotten
>dumb, b/c he no longer understands fear. White dude then
>punches through the wall to discover the insurgent hiding
>there. Not only is Grey Worm castrated and speaking broken
>english, but his fearlessness (usually an admirable
>characteristic) makes him stupid. But enjoy it, it's the best
>black male character you got... lol.
>
>Now even with all this, in the GoT post on here, Atillah
>mentioned that the Unsullied were black/brown eunuchs. Niggas
>really responded "Well Varys and Theon are white and they're
>castrated!" How do you still not get the point. White people
>have a wide range of character portrayals from Jon Snow, Arya
>Stark, Tyrion Lannister, Catelyn Stark, Daenerys, Davos,
>Brienne of Tarth, etc. These are either fierce warriors or
>intelligent people. Name the equivalent for the black
>characters since you can name white equivalents for castrated
>black characters. Can you? Of course you can't. Do niggas
>even understand the concept of a trope? All the black/brown
>characters are tropes. Sure, they'll put you in the show but
>you're relegated to certain roles.
>
>On that same note, I've said to cats that there could be a
>black/brown family in the mix somewhere vying for the throne,
>and gotten the response that that would be unrealistic, b/c
>it's far north. LOL. I mean, you're watching a show with
>dragons, a dead army, magic, and all other kind of unrealistic
>stuff, and suddenly you care about what's realistic.
>Hilarious. At that point, they could be like Inhumans and
>have black, asian and white all in one family as blood
>relatives (although Inhumans played their black character
>too... he's half bull and dumb).
>*EDIT* Notice also that the black/brown populations are
>enacting lifetime CHATTEL slavery. White people invented
>that, so if you wanna talk about realism, they're all off.
>Not to mention Daenerys is the pure, virtuous white woman
>running around putting an end to it, b/c she just can't stand
>it LOL.
>
>Another thing that kinda irks me is that we (Black folks) will
>check out this show and LOVE it, even with its all white main
>cast and disrespectful casting of black/brown people. Yet, if
>the roles were reversed, our white coworkers/friends who love
>talking about this show would NOT be rocking with it. They
>see themselves in too many great roles to accept that. Their
>self-esteem isn't that shot.
>
>I actually wish all the characters were white if that's the
>best they can do for black/brown characters, because I like
>the concept and story and all. Daenerys' part of the story is
>just CHOCK FULL of racism tho, good god. Not to mention she's
>the worst actor on the show (Tyrion is the best actor in the
>main cast, imo). Arya Stark is my favorite character. The
>guys at work all love Jon Snow and I see why... he's a central
>character, a leader, a warrior, intelligent, composed, his
>genitals are in-tact, and he's extremely honorable. Too bad
>there are no black and brown characters for whom you can say
>the same.
>
>
>
>
>


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65. "or is he?"
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/629028970382651393/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fnew-york-jets-game-of-thrones-george-rr-martin-scathing-blog-post-torment

  

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79. "Lol"
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68. "Grey Worm is one of the baddest MFers of all time, in any story"
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impeccable honor, great fighter, these fuckers took his dick/balls from him and he still pulled the best(not just looks, but heart and intellect off the charts) woman on their planet.

  

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76. "Ok. He's still the only decent black male and he's castrated."
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70. "you can pretty much do this with 90% of movies & tv shows out there"
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Boogie Stimuli
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77. "Is there an opinionated conclusion to your statement or are you just"
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making an observation?

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ThaTruth
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84. "You could’ve said the entertainment industry is racist but attacking....."
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GoT specifically gets you more clicks.

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Boogie Stimuli
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86. "Are you trying to tell us that you're aren't very bright, sir?"
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I'm willing to believe it in light of your response.

I recently watched it and wanted to discuss what I observed in this show specifically.
If the post isn't for you, you could just avoid it... but I guess you're the one looking for "clicks" or whatever?
Other than that, you sound ridiculous. I'm not paid ad revenue or sponsored for this. I'm starting a discussion on a discussion board. If you have a problem with that, perhaps you could email ?uest and let him know you want the boards deleted or something.

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88. "Seems like you watched it with an agenda, if that's the case you might....."
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be better off just not watching television and use your literary talents for more ostentatious pursuits.

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89. "Nah, I just watched it as a Black person with healthy self-esteem."
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90. "So you sat down and watched 60 hours of a racist tv show?"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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95. "Now you're asking questions you already know the answer to."
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Just shhh. Grown ppl are talking.

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71. "casual normalized modern pathology is worst"
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SNL ran a comedy sketch this week with black dudes waving guns, gang shootout,a character getting shot 10+ times, and bullet holes bleeding out/dying on tv


u can count how often black ppl are 'casually' murdered, connected to violence (victim or perpetrator) or otherwise shown how little black life is valued on scripted tv multiple times weekly if not daily.



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78. "Word. Helps perpetuate the culture of devaluing Black life..."
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>u can count how often black ppl are 'casually' murdered,
>connected to violence (victim or perpetrator) or otherwise
>shown how little black life is valued on scripted tv multiple
>times weekly if not daily.


It's never "just" entertainment for them.

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85. "Frank wilderson iii, black death"
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And all that afro-pessimism.

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it becomes simply another recourse appropriated by the colonizer

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91. "blud, with a white woman. shit hilarious to me"
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103. "didnt know he had a white woman now"
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I know he got married and divorced to a black woman.

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82. "Yup. The books are a bit less so. "
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The TV show is pretty much classic racism.
Also, it really shows the limits of the white imagination, which always fascinates me

  

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83. "That's always funny to me..."
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>Also, it really shows the limits of the white imagination,
>which always fascinates me


They let us know in no uncertain terms where
that imagination stops as it pertains to us.


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87. "I think it's worse now "
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since they don't have the books to ghost write for them now

>Also, it really shows the limits of the white imagination, which always fascinates me

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92. "RE: "
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>Also, it really shows the limits of the white imagination,
>which always fascinates me

this part. the collective white imagination is fucn pathetic

  

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93. "I thought about this when watching the Force Awakens"
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Boyega's as British as Daisy Ridley, and Gwen Christie. So why the fuck is he doing a bad Will Smith impersonation, circa 1995, in the new Star Wars flicks?
Why couldn't he use his actual accent, like all the other Brits in the film? And why does he have to play everything in the flick for laughs? Why the hell is he a janitor?

You know how one-note your perception of Black life must be to put a stereotype in a fucking space fantasy that includes wookies and psychic space samurais, lol?

That shit is legit INSANE.

  

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97. "I like how you saved your real beef for last."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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98. "Yeah, as soon as dude strolled out naked in that plastic suit.. smh"
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Who woulda thought the Evil Empire could make storm troopers with a great sense of humor and an awesome funny bone

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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107. "thought it was just me lol. Kylo has an upside down red cross too btw "
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lot's of hiding in plain sight going on with that franchise

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111. "lol, facts"
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99. "white imagination isn't limited the intent is to limit black imagination..."
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Most majority white produced representations of the past, present, and future show few if any black people is quite deliberate

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100. "I somewhat agree, tho I do think some chicken & egg shit is at play"
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cuz some of the shit is entirely too much of a stretch to be accidental
Systems replicate themselves.

  

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101. "Yeah, but look. I can't hate everything. "
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That's being Black in America. Most entertainment out there marginalizes us in some way. And most times I do choose to tune out or find alternatives. But in this case, I'm just gonna sit back and watch As The Westeros Turns.
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102. "basically..."
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>That's being Black in America. Most entertainment out there
>marginalizes us in some way. And most times I do choose to
>tune out or find alternatives. But in this case, I'm just
>gonna sit back and watch As The Westeros Turns.

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106. "the real enemy in GoT are white blue eyed demons from the frigid north"
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who were created in an experiment by the Original People of Westeros (Children of the Forest) but ran amok, turning on their creators and becoming the scourge of civilization bringing death and destruction wherever they go.

Game of Thrones is woke AF!!!

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108. "lol when you put it that way AND they turn babies to their side by touch"
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and other white folks just give them their kids? hmmmm

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109. "Yall want to live in their world, but get VIP treatment from them?"
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Western Civilization is white supremacist civilization. Period.

Racism isn't an appendage or a cancer, it's in the fucking DNA.

I'll enjoy their shit for what it is because I live here, but bitching at them for being racist is like bitching at a dog for eating a bone.

Just move through this shit as best you can and quietly try to support Africa and Africans where ever they are. The less we demand things from them, and the more we produce things of our own, the better off we'll be.

  

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"*double post*"
Thu Jan-25-18 02:21 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

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Boogie Stimuli
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112. "How'd you read the beginning of the OP and come to this conclusion?"
In response to Reply # 109
Thu Jan-25-18 02:21 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

>Western Civilization is white supremacist civilization.
>Period.
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>Racism isn't an appendage or a cancer, it's in the fucking
>DNA.



Of course I agree. I've stated the same, many times.


>I'll enjoy their shit for what it is because I live here, but
>bitching at them for being racist is like bitching at a dog
>for eating a bone.



"Bitching at them?" Lol, my nigga, this post isn't a copy of an email to the creators of the show. It's a conversation with viewers of the show. Specifically the Black viewers. As stated in the OP, the reason I find this important to discuss is the effects of consumed media on our subconscious. Notice I didn't tell anyone to stop watching the show (weirdly, a couple of people responded as if I did). My main concern is that we can't stop something from taking root in our subconscious if we don't even see the program happening. If you'll notice, there are people in here who would deny that they're even viewing anything racist in the show at all. That's not as uncommon as you may think. Even alotta people who notice the more blatant stuff sometimes miss the subtleties. I'm not saying I'm grandmaster of noticing shit, but I do alright, and I appreciate when people are able to point out stuff that even I didn't see, b/c I believe that this is one of the key areas where programming happens. Next thing you know, that black person just doesn't look like they should be in that leadership position "for some reason", or that black woman just looks promiscuous but you "can't really put your finger on it" etc. Some think that crazy, but when we look around at how we won't support one another, think less of stuff because it's by us, have a great need to change our looks, etc, that stuff comes from somewhere... it's not just the history, but the perpetual programming. So many people don't like to admit it, but they wanna be like their cinematic heroes, look like them, date like they date, etc. This kind of stuff isn't mirroring culture, it's creating it, and this society realized that a long time ago. We aren't relegated to certain cinematic positions in the mainstream solely because white imagination is limited but also b/c those are the positions that all of society is supposed to be most comfortable seeing us in. It's part of the program... definitely not the only part, but you get the point by now.



>Just move through this shit as best you can and quietly try to
>support Africa and Africans where ever they are. The less we
>demand things from them, and the more we produce things of our
>own, the better off we'll be.


As stated above and in the OP, this isn't about "demanding things from them." Protecting our minds is of utmost importance, and that's what this is about. I agree w/ supporting Black folks and producing our own tho. Here's where THAT ties into this post tho.
If we subconsciously believe that we aren't supposed to lead, be producers, be geniuses, etc, we won't even support businesses that are by us and for us. We'll assign VALUE to whiteness over ourselves. You see this all the time. That Louie and that Red Bottom is considered more valuable that anything produced by any Black person by most. There is programming from all angles causing that. We have to notice it and reject it. That's cool if you're able to do that. I'm saying alotta people can't (or just flat out refuse to), and that's part of our collective problem imo.

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