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Firecracker
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"Let's speak on these new Chappelle specials"


  

          


Loved the Equanimity one, that felt real good, had some good insights and some great jokes, just felt effortless and had the man hisself in a good place

I fell asleep while watching The Bird Revelation, it definitely had a different feel and like someone said in the Netflix thread is more similar to the «Dave trying out new jokes» clips that dropped on YouTube some years ago

U watched yet? What are your thoughts?

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Went to the DC show
Jan 02nd 2018
1
The live shows feel soooo different.
Jan 02nd 2018
7
I was trying to explain THIS to my wife...but not so succinctly
Jan 09th 2018
59
Equanimity was jokes. Bird Revelation was deeper.
Jan 02nd 2018
2
Agreed
Jan 02nd 2018
15
      yep...that's why I couldn't hate The Bird Revelation
Jan 02nd 2018
34
           Yeah.. truly
Jan 02nd 2018
40
Really enjoyed them
Jan 02nd 2018
3
Bird Revelation is the best commentary I've heard in years. Masterful st...
Jan 02nd 2018
4
and he's flexing with BRAND NEW SHIT
Jan 21st 2018
81
I loved both
Jan 02nd 2018
5
I love Chapelle but he's out of his depth of sex and gender
Jan 02nd 2018
6
I agree he is a bit out of his depth but I think that's part of the poin...
Jan 02nd 2018
12
I agree with all this
Jan 02nd 2018
13
society is still trying to catch up with society
Jan 02nd 2018
14
True though I think his recent "mis-steps" as a performer...
Jan 02nd 2018
16
      the fact that these are considered "mis-steps" is the whole issue w/ sta...
Jan 02nd 2018
17
      Yeah, folks looking for the perfect comedian and shit.
Jan 02nd 2018
20
      People were upset at Kevin Hart's last special
Jan 02nd 2018
21
           I barely remember that joke
Jan 02nd 2018
22
      agreed. what he's doing is much more deliberate
Jan 02nd 2018
33
           ^ yep. It's pretty clear IMO.
Jan 03rd 2018
47
      The rules? Wtf?
Jan 02nd 2018
23
           Different audiences have different boundaries
Jan 02nd 2018
28
                Ehh, it’s Netflix tho...
Jan 02nd 2018
31
                The people named Weinstein are the problem not Chappell
Jan 12th 2018
67
naw he spot on that Rachel Doziel whatever
Jan 02nd 2018
29
he did come off kinda callous on the louie ck thing
Jan 02nd 2018
36
his views are typical of a black man in his mid-40’s, y’all act like...
Jan 03rd 2018
44
They typical of black folk not afraid to speak their mind
Jan 03rd 2018
45
this is the second time Chappelle is losing some respect from me
Jan 03rd 2018
46
      I haven’t seen the special yet but I’ve read the controversy
Jan 03rd 2018
50
      Smart guy always on time
Jan 03rd 2018
51
      lol, you sound like an idiot fam
Jan 12th 2018
68
      Incorrigible person right here.
Jan 12th 2018
69
I watched the first one yesterday, still have to watch the second one...
Jan 02nd 2018
8
I did not appreciate the premise of the last bit in equanimity
Jan 02nd 2018
9
*
Jan 02nd 2018
10
The Kaepernick 'bit' in Bird Revelation was so, so good!
Jan 02nd 2018
11
I've been debating online about the merits of his specials all morning
Jan 02nd 2018
18
Everyone is trying to ride that wave
Jan 02nd 2018
19
      yup, that's why people are replying in threads on okp
Jan 02nd 2018
24
           You sound married and bitter.
Jan 02nd 2018
25
           you'd know.
Jan 02nd 2018
26
                https://media.tenor.com/images/cc20ace143cc74f4d44888bbd3ea8461/tenor.gi...
Jan 02nd 2018
30
           Clearly niggas wanna be seen
Jan 03rd 2018
48
rewatching Bird Revalation.... did he say he was raped?
Jan 02nd 2018
27
No
Jan 04th 2018
52
Equanimity is as good as he's ever been.
Jan 02nd 2018
32
Was that Comedy Store joint publicized or just a by chance thing?
Jan 02nd 2018
37
      It's almost never publicized.
Jan 02nd 2018
38
           I figured as much. And I remember seeing that huge surprise message.
Jan 02nd 2018
39
Both very different, both are fantastic & a testament to his greatness
Jan 02nd 2018
35
damn, he was sharp as FUCK on Equanimity...
Jan 02nd 2018
41
I also love the fact that his "Huh?" thing is back.
Jan 02nd 2018
42
Both are funny
Jan 03rd 2018
43
You get to enjoy the jokes on the first one
Jan 03rd 2018
49
Really surprised he caught minimum blowback for the specials.
Jan 08th 2018
53
Who wants to be a bitch ass nigga by complaining?
Jan 08th 2018
54
what could people really do to him?
Jan 08th 2018
55
Outrage could easily kill him get 40M netflix deals.
Jan 09th 2018
61
      Haha... you just be typin sometimes
Jan 09th 2018
62
lol at "a platform bigger". That's an archaic notion
Jan 09th 2018
56
Faves right where he wants to be IMO
Jan 09th 2018
57
      Faves? Smh
Jan 09th 2018
60
      Poutrage!
Jan 10th 2018
63
           Nah, I think I read that on a Steelers message board
Jan 11th 2018
64
CK and Chapelle is in a whole other universe tho
Jan 11th 2018
65
      yeah, not sure how CK and DC are being lumped together
Jan 11th 2018
66
1st one was pretty funny. 2nd one was trash. I gave up halfway through
Jan 09th 2018
58
2nd is much more intelligent commentary...
Jan 12th 2018
70
I must say, Chappelle's slap of the mike on his leg is annoying AF.
Jan 18th 2018
71
its just self aware. there was a time when it was organic
Jan 18th 2018
72
It's a ruse
Jan 18th 2018
73
Nah.. doesn’t bother me at all.
Jan 18th 2018
74
Can you provide an example ? I think I disagree.
Jan 18th 2018
75
      Watch any 5 minute clip of him. He laughs at his own joke,
Jan 18th 2018
76
           OK yea that's what I was picturing. I can now confirm disagreement. Hah.
Jan 18th 2018
77
                I still find it hilarious
Jan 18th 2018
78
                     Exactly. I agree.
Jan 18th 2018
79
Watching the bird revelation again. Dude is wild comfortable.
Jan 19th 2018
80
I am CONVINCED he's condition the audience
Jan 21st 2018
82
This is how dude was doing 8 hour performances.
Jan 22nd 2018
85
that Olive head turkey peaked 12 years back and this cornball
Jan 21st 2018
83
lmao, never change maxxx
Jan 22nd 2018
84
LOL yo, while this is funny at first read...
Feb 19th 2018
89
      Sinbad- Brain Damage was hilarious too
Feb 20th 2018
100
Just finished Equinimity. Fucking stellar.
Feb 18th 2018
86
Rock's special was solid. Dave's were cerebral. Tom Segura's...
Feb 18th 2018
87
Gtfoh lol
Feb 19th 2018
88
LOL
Feb 19th 2018
90
I checked it out due to his post
Feb 19th 2018
91
      Yep I knew it
Feb 19th 2018
93
      Seattle? What are you talking about?
Feb 19th 2018
94
           BIKES!
Feb 19th 2018
95
                if you wanna see a hilarious one filmed in Seattle...
Feb 19th 2018
96
                     Yes. It was really good
Feb 20th 2018
103
i liked Segura's. i still thought both Rock and Chappelle's were better
Feb 19th 2018
92
I can kinda roll with you as compared to Chris'....
Feb 20th 2018
97
you mean Katt's ? ***straightface***
Feb 20th 2018
98
is Katt's good? I haven't got a chance to peep yet. ALSO...
Feb 20th 2018
101
      the first 10 minutes are butt....then it takes off and is very good
Feb 20th 2018
104
I watched the lastest based on this post. Can't front. Super funny.
Feb 20th 2018
99
OMG, this place will never change. Everyone is better than the one doing...
Feb 20th 2018
102

MEAT
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1. "Went to the DC show"
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Not the taping but just one of the nights. Felt like the timing was much better in person. That he was real relaxed and paced where the special looked like joke after joke. There were also moments in the bird revelation that were in the dc show that didn't make the cut which may be why it seems like the timing was off.

An example was early in the show where he's talking about how dope he is. At our showing he started a conversation with a 16 year old, transitioned from how he started off in clubs, to the rough clubs in Brooklyn, and then did the rape joke, but at a much better speed. It really built up.

I enjoyed the bird revelation. It seemed more stream of consciousness than trying things out. Some of it was old. Some of it was very new. And some of the old stuff hit better. Take his deliberate way he told the iceberg slim story in 2017 versus how frantic and energetic he told it in 2005. Was it the venue was it the years was it a call back? Either way it's a different story.

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7. "The live shows feel soooo different."
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Yeah it feels like a pacing thing. Jokes build much better in person.

I've come to the conclusion that Chris Rock is better at creating specials while Dave Chappelle is just a funnier person who is just funnier being conversational talking to an audience.


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59. "I was trying to explain THIS to my wife...but not so succinctly"
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>I enjoyed the bird revelation. It seemed more stream of
>consciousness than trying things out.


I enjoyed BOTH immensely!!! I still chortle at the random thought of spreading l*p* Hustler-style

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2. "Equanimity was jokes. Bird Revelation was deeper."
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15. "Agreed"
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I watched The Bird Revelation first and was like "damn.. this is some real shit"
Put me in the mood of Pryor's 'Bicentennial Nigger'

The other one was solid too

  

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34. "yep...that's why I couldn't hate The Bird Revelation"
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>I watched The Bird Revelation first and was like "damn.. this
>is some real shit"
>Put me in the mood of Pryor's 'Bicentennial Nigger'
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>The other one was solid too

It felt like Dave Chappelle was genuinely using that set to just talk to the audience about real shit without forcing himself to string his comments into jokes. He seemed like he was having those thoughts for the first time and was gauging the audience to see how they honestly felt.

That set reminds of conversations I've had with my brother where we're just talking about life and the world....sometimes jokes get in there.....sometimes they don't.
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40. "Yeah.. truly"
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3. "Really enjoyed them"
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I could see how some jokes could be taken out of context and offend folks but I think he did a good job of getting his point across.

Really funny and good insight overall. I really wish I had gone to see him when he came by.

  

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4. "Bird Revelation is the best commentary I've heard in years. Masterful st..."
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Equanimity was just flat out funny.

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81. "and he's flexing with BRAND NEW SHIT "
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Like, so much of it formed on the spot. And yet so much masterfully planned out, yet effortlessly delivered.

  

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5. "I loved both"
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Equanimity was his special. Bird Revelation felt like the DVD extras. I loved it as well, but I don't look at it as his special. Equanimity was better, of course because it was polished. Overall, it reminded me that when I thought I was killing it on stage, I wasn't doing SHIT. I'm motivated, though.

  

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6. "I love Chapelle but he's out of his depth of sex and gender"
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I think his views and analysis of race are still insightful and hilarious but he's kinda struggling to catch up with society on gender, sexual harassment, etc

The gratuitous use of "bitch" in the 2nd special really stuck out, particularly considering the subject matter of sexual harassment and, by extension, misogyny.

I was also struggling with his joke about having "weak spirit" if harassment keeps you from your goals. No doubt, successful people often go through extreme trials but let's not glamorize or condone the abuse many have had to endure to get where they are.

The idea of a "truth and reconciliation" commission for the entertainment industry was very interesting because I do believe there are alot of men sitting on the sidelines on the harassment issue because they're complicit with the system to some degree and don't want to be subject to a spotlight.

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12. "I agree he is a bit out of his depth but I think that's part of the poin..."
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There is something obnoxious about how folks aren't allowed to speak on the topic unless they can perfectly express the "right opinion" on this stuff. I like the idea of the imperfect Ally which needs to be expanded upon.

I do think it was not an ideal time to use a pump analogy to explain his professional obstacles.



>I think his views and analysis of race are still insightful
>and hilarious but he's kinda struggling to catch up with
>society on gender, sexual harassment, etc
>
>The gratuitous use of "bitch" in the 2nd special really stuck
>out, particularly considering the subject matter of sexual
>harassment and, by extension, misogyny.
>
>I was also struggling with his joke about having "weak spirit"
>if harassment keeps you from your goals. No doubt, successful
>people often go through extreme trials but let's not glamorize
>or condone the abuse many have had to endure to get where they
>are.
>
>The idea of a "truth and reconciliation" commission for the
>entertainment industry was very interesting because I do
>believe there are alot of men sitting on the sidelines on the
>harassment issue because they're complicit with the system to
>some degree and don't want to be subject to a spotlight.


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13. "I agree with all this"
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I thought for the most part, he did a good job of addressing his missteps from that last pair of specials, but his reading of trans people and their issues, is still off.

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14. "society is still trying to catch up with society"
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on gender and harassment

there is no guide or checklist

  

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16. "True though I think his recent "mis-steps" as a performer..."
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>on gender and harassment
>
>there is no guide or checklist


are at least partially due to him stepping away from the national stage as a performer. The "rules" of what's acceptable and not on the national stage are different than on the club level and he may not have been aware of how far things had shifted while he was "away".


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17. "the fact that these are considered "mis-steps" is the whole issue w/ sta..."
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20. "Yeah, folks looking for the perfect comedian and shit. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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21. "People were upset at Kevin Hart's last special"
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Especially his routine about his son's Batman room. Maybe I look at things from the penis privilege too much, but Kevin of all people is the most benign comic to me.

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22. "I barely remember that joke"
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but unless the shit is unfunny or just plain awful I’m laughing.

Sorry but I think every group needs to be joked. Folks want to be treated like regular people but don’t want comedians to joke them? What makes folks so special they can’t get joked on stage?

Shit, IMO when you get joked by one of the greats it’s a sign you have made it into
mainstream America. Congrats niggas.

shut up already, damn

  

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33. "agreed. what he's doing is much more deliberate"
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but it's treated by many as if he hasn't caught up yet

I think he's well aware of where the so-called needle is on certain topics, and he's not necessarily fighting against that, as he is being comfortable with where he is, or reacting to things at his own pace, in his own way.

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47. "^ yep. It's pretty clear IMO."
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Cause he's not stupid. Like, he's very very very far from it. So to suggest that he's ignorant to where things are and "behind the times" is asinine. He's socially progressive, he's accepting. But he's a goddamn comedian. So in that context it's clear that he's carefully navigating the social sensitivity while still being himself and making it funny.

Like a few folks have already said in here, we live in a time where a lot of writers are trying to make a name for themselves or go viral so instead of watching comedy / things with an eye on critiquing on their merits, they are primarily just looking for the first opportunity to pounce.

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23. "The rules? Wtf? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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28. "Different audiences have different boundaries"
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And, usually, the bigger the stage and the bigger the audience, the tighter the boundaries.

A joke about gypsies might kill on a Saturday in Tampa, but instigate a boycott campaign by the Nomadic Eastern European People's Organization if it's shown on HBO.

Dave was doing things on a huge stage for awhile so I'm sure he's familiar with having to temper his language for his audience. This shit ain't new; Leno's early standup is very different from what he did on the Tonight Show.

I just think he lost touch with the how sensitivities were changing in the general public while he was doing small shows following the Chappelle Show. He was talking like he usually talked and didn't realize there was less tolerance in the general public for some his language.

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31. "Ehh, it’s Netflix tho... "
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Sure, if he’s on SNL or CBS Late night but it’s his special.

I think he can say whatever he wants and then deal with the backlash any way he wants because he is Dave Chapelle.

shut up already, damn

  

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67. "The people named Weinstein are the problem not Chappell"
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29. "naw he spot on that Rachel Doziel whatever "
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analogy was on point.

He just ain't pc which is status quo since homosexuals and transexuals have a media mafia.

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36. "he did come off kinda callous on the louie ck thing"
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because it came off like "ah, you weak bitches took your ball and went home because of a freckled dick?" while he pretty much seemed to ignore that Louie was wielding the power he had over their careers so that they'd put up with him doing weirdo shit. Louie even acknowledged that much.

that said, i still laughed at the bit. i dug both specials. i don't think Dave cares about being in tune with where society sees itself on these issues, and I also don't think he wants to be the guy who's whining about pc all the time. I do think he's deliberate in saying he'll observe/react/speak on shit in his own way.

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44. "his views are typical of a black man in his mid-40’s, y’all act like..."
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Dave has been living in a cave the last 10 years or something. He knows what’s going on but everyone doesn’t live in OKPland lol.

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45. "They typical of black folk not afraid to speak their mind"
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and ride the latest wave.

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46. "this is the second time Chappelle is losing some respect from me"
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I haven’t seen the special yet but I’ve read the controversy.

I’m not really offended by much of anything but one thing I’m not cool with are the rape jokes because I just don’t find the humor in something that is so traumatizing to women who have been victims.

In this case, CK did not rape anyone but what I take issue with is the fact Chappelle has the nerve to talk about these women as if they are weak for not wanting to put up with this type of harassment. Isn’t this the same dude that ran out of Hollywood and complained about how they tried to make all black actors dress up like females?

In my opinion, you can’t fight one fight and not the other. Women have been abused for decades in the industry and shouldn’t have to deal with and damn sure shouldn’t be called weak for speaking up. If that’s the case, then Chappelle is a weak as fuck for running away from his show because he didn’t like how black people were being treated in Hollywood.

Both situations are bullshit and I’m not here to equalize them to any degree other than say they are both wrong and people SHOULD be speaking out against both.

The other time he lost respect was the bullshit he did to Hartford but I won’t go into that again.

  

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50. "I haven’t seen the special yet but I’ve read the controversy"
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I haven’t seen the special yet but I’ve read the controversy
I haven’t seen the special yet but I’ve read the controversy
I haven’t seen the special yet but I’ve read the controversy
I haven’t seen the special yet but I’ve read the controversy
I haven’t seen the special yet but I’ve read the controversy

  

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51. "Smart guy always on time"
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It’s not hard to read direct quotes from the special.

And then see that confirmed in this very post.

Keep caping for this dude just because you think you’re supposed to.

  

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68. "lol, you sound like an idiot fam"
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watch it or stfu

shut up already, damn

  

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69. "Incorrigible person right here."
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8. "I watched the first one yesterday, still have to watch the second one..."
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the first was some parts awkward, some parts hilarious, and some parts hella deep...

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9. "I did not appreciate the premise of the last bit in equanimity"
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While I enjoyed both specials, this really stuck out to me.

So the joke is set up on the Emmett Till murder, and his lying accuser.
And Dave is trying to reconcile what happened to Emmett, the lies of his accuser and how that event "allowed" for Dave's success.

I think that shit is fucked up, and lacks context.
First of all, the idea that what happened to that child is in anyway "made up for" by where we've gotten to is fucked up. He did not ask to be a martyr, he never agreed to be murdered to further a cause. His mother did not agree to bury her child to inspire a movement. Nothing makes up for that. No one's success today can make up for what happened to that child. Nothing makes up for what happened to the child. Nothing.

Secondly, it's a misreading of history to think that the civil rights movement could not/would not have happened without Emmett Till (and his death). Yes, his murder was an galvanizing event, but the wheels were already in motion. There was and would have been a movement without the death of that boy. There were hundreds of Emmett Tills. It was not about that single child, it was about a country in which there were hundred of him.

Thirdly, let's not act like the Civil Rights movement was 100% successful and that shit is all sweet now. I'm in no way trying to downplay the movement or it's importance, but we still got black folks being shot down in the street with impunity -- which if you will recall was a specific pillar of the CRM. So... yeah.

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10. "*"
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I misread

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11. "The Kaepernick 'bit' in Bird Revelation was so, so good!"
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I thought he was gonna drop the ball when he got to the OJ/Superbowl part. But when he started doing the OJ walk, I fucking lost it. I was howling!
That was my favorite bit over the course of both specials

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18. "I've been debating online about the merits of his specials all morning"
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I miss when you could be problematic without battling think pieces for the next 3 months.

D

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19. "Everyone is trying to ride that wave"
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so anytime something popular hits the stage folks run out to speak on it hoping to get 15 minutes.

He summed it up perfectly. Country turned into a bunch of bitch ass niggas.

Some folks don’t even watch to laugh, they are just waiting for the moment to be offended.

shut up already, damn

  

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24. "yup, that's why people are replying in threads on okp"
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to get...15 minutes of fame.


you niggas really think someone cares about being seen by you.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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25. "You sound married and bitter. "
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^^ in a Dave Chapelle husky voice^^^

shut up already, damn

  

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26. "you'd know."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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30. "https://media.tenor.com/images/cc20ace143cc74f4d44888bbd3ea8461/tenor.gi..."
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https://media.tenor.com/images/cc20ace143cc74f4d44888bbd3ea8461/tenor.gif

shut up already, damn

  

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48. "Clearly niggas wanna be seen"
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It’s a fucking I’m leaving post on the front page as I’m typing this with like 100 plus replies. Don’t front.

Everybody want their voices heard to a certain extent. Some more than others. And niggas will show out for OKP fame. That’s what the archive board is for.

  

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27. "rewatching Bird Revalation.... did he say he was raped?"
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Its right before the black dude goes to the bathroom and he says "you dont need to hear about this Brooklyn".

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52. "No"
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32. "Equanimity is as good as he's ever been."
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I saw The Bird Revelation live. Im good on that one.

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37. "Was that Comedy Store joint publicized or just a by chance thing?"
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Cuz I've been trying to catch him for a minute, and I wasn't trying to see him and John Mayer do some guitar riff comedy.

Also nothing I hate more than them Comedy Store emails, "Thank you Chris Rock for showing up last night."

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38. "It's almost never publicized."
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Outside of a last minute thing - like I think Chris Rock did a "Tonight I'm running my hour at the Comedy Store - tickets on sale now", but generally it's just a drop in.

For these Chappelle tapings though - he did a run of like 7 nights in the Belly Room and all they did was say "Huge guest, you dont want to miss this - buy tix now" and I had a feeling so I bought them. When I got there, it was all but a certainty. It doesn't say secret for long. I did go the first night though.

If a comic is hosting something - the Emmys, SNL, Oscars, etc. - chances are they'll run material at the Store the week of.

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39. "I figured as much. And I remember seeing that huge surprise message."
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I had a feeling too. Smh.

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35. "Both very different, both are fantastic & a testament to his greatness"
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41. "damn, he was sharp as FUCK on Equanimity..."
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'bout to check Bird Revelation, now.

...private when I fly, ball out like Bron do. You in the game, but you sit n' coach like Tyronn Lue - Royce

  

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42. "I also love the fact that his "Huh?" thing is back."
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It will always make me laugh.

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43. "Both are funny "
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Equanimity was better than the other one.

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49. "You get to enjoy the jokes on the first one"
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On the second one you get to see the dark place from where those jokes are crafted.

Casual comedy fans will like the first one better, but comedy heads will like the second better.

  

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53. "Really surprised he caught minimum blowback for the specials. "
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Where is the outrage?!?

I think there is a space DC wants to work in and doesn't want a platform bigger than that space.

I think Louis CK problem was once he was elevated to that next level people started glossing over the darkness in his comedy and made him out to be the type of person who wouldn't whip his dick out (despite his comedy was clearly the comedy of a type of dude who would whip his dick out).

I don't think DC wants to be loved that much.



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54. "Who wants to be a bitch ass nigga by complaining? "
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He did an 8 Mile where he pretty much dressed down the people who would type their outrage online once his show dropped.

shut up already, damn

  

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55. "what could people really do to him?"
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except write think pieces (which they did) about how he's behind the times and doesn't get it.

he touched on it in the second special. there's really nothing to take away from him. he doesn't seem interested in wanting to blow up again. i think he's enjoying a certain freedom in being in a place where outrage doesn't have much leverage over his career.

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61. "Outrage could easily kill him get 40M netflix deals. "
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He ain't totally beyond the outrage machine doing him harm.



>except write think pieces (which they did) about how he's
>behind the times and doesn't get it.
>
>he touched on it in the second special. there's really nothing
>to take away from him. he doesn't seem interested in wanting
>to blow up again. i think he's enjoying a certain freedom in
>being in a place where outrage doesn't have much leverage over
>his career.
>


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62. "Haha... you just be typin sometimes"
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you really think Netflix is worried about a few fools and their faux outrage.

Unless Dave gets caught up in some #metoo shit Netflix will keep cutting those checks. Hell, I bet they would love the free publicity.

shut up already, damn

  

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56. "lol at "a platform bigger". That's an archaic notion"
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>Where is the outrage?!?
>
>I think there is a space DC wants to work in and doesn't want
>a platform bigger than that space.
>
>I think Louis CK problem was once he was elevated to that next
>level people started glossing over the darkness in his comedy
>and made him out to be the type of person who wouldn't whip
>his dick out (despite his comedy was clearly the comedy of a
>type of dude who would whip his dick out).
>
>I don't think DC wants to be loved that much.

  

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57. "Faves right where he wants to be IMO"
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and he’s a big fucking deal.

I think folks don’t want it this time around because he did a great job holding the mirror up and letting them know they were doing too much. It’s just jokes. If you don’t find it funny it’s cool, turn it off. But don’t watch the whole thing, take notes and then try to get a few minutes out of fame with a little blog post about your poutrage.

shut up already, damn

  

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60. "Faves? Smh"
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shut up already, damn

  

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63. "Poutrage!"
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Did you make that up, that's good.

  

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64. "Nah, I think I read that on a Steelers message board"
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Shit is perfect tho.

shut up already, damn

  

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65. "CK and Chapelle is in a whole other universe tho"
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CK was out there doing Subway Pervert 101 shit.

Chapelle, WORST CASE, was just fucking up with jokes thinking if he said 'im cool with y'all' would cover offensive case.

Id also argue he's not totally off the hook, lots of media places covered it and time will tell if it tarnished the brand or not.

I agree with DC not wanting to be loved much which is why he found a way of trying to make amends from the first round of netflix special criticism WORST, lol. But not caring what the perceived 'white' audience thinks is a tradition of black comedians and...well...Carlin, lol.

>Where is the outrage?!?
>
>I think there is a space DC wants to work in and doesn't want
>a platform bigger than that space.
>
>I think Louis CK problem was once he was elevated to that next
>level people started glossing over the darkness in his comedy
>and made him out to be the type of person who wouldn't whip
>his dick out (despite his comedy was clearly the comedy of a
>type of dude who would whip his dick out).
>
>I don't think DC wants to be loved that much.
>
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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66. "yeah, not sure how CK and DC are being lumped together"
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DC tells jokes...

CK tells jokes and jacks off in front of women behind closed doors.

unless there was outrage for CK's stand up I don't see the connection

shut up already, damn

  

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58. "1st one was pretty funny. 2nd one was trash. I gave up halfway through"
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I don't think I even smiled once

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70. "2nd is much more intelligent commentary..."
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71. "I must say, Chappelle's slap of the mike on his leg is annoying AF. "
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Can we agree?


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72. "its just self aware. there was a time when it was organic"
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73. "It's a ruse"
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it's a Pavlovian signal to the audience to get ready to laugh/laugh now.

He has a bunch of these tricks.

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74. "Nah.. doesn’t bother me at all. "
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Y’all niggas love being annoyed

shut up already, damn

  

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75. "Can you provide an example ? I think I disagree."
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But I want to be sure I do. Ha.

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76. "Watch any 5 minute clip of him. He laughs at his own joke, "
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then slaps the mike on his leg.


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77. "OK yea that's what I was picturing. I can now confirm disagreement. Hah."
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I love when he does that. It's kind of endearing, IMO. Even if it's not natural, it comes off as such and a way to play into the crowd's response.

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78. "I still find it hilarious"
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like “this show is funny, really think about what I just said for another minute.”

shut up already, damn

  

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79. "Exactly. I agree."
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It's actually one of the mental "gifs" I see in my head when his name comes up.

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80. "Watching the bird revelation again. Dude is wild comfortable."
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Not even performing.

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82. "I am CONVINCED he's condition the audience"
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He has a lot of tricks to train and condition the audience.

It's a form of hypnotism.

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85. "This is how dude was doing 8 hour performances. "
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There is a youtube clip of him "performing", or not performing, for like 4 hours and it's basically him talking to the audience. And it's funny as hell a lot of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS5q47mFjFk&t=31s

Made comfortable.


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83. "that Olive head turkey peaked 12 years back and this cornball"
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he needs to make a movie or get on serious tv show,because his stand up ain't on par with SInbad's.

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84. "lmao, never change maxxx"
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89. "LOL yo, while this is funny at first read..."
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>his stand up ain't on par with Sinbad's.

Ever since that "Afros and Bellbottoms"
special, he's been on point. I wasn't
the biggest fan of his stand up before
that, but dude is legit.

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100. "Sinbad- Brain Damage was hilarious too"
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As a little kid I thought I was going to grow up to be a comedian like him

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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86. "Just finished Equinimity. Fucking stellar."
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He was on point for the whole thing. Big improvement from the previous 2 specials. Felt like he was in the zone.

  

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87. "Rock's special was solid. Dave's were cerebral. Tom Segura's..."
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new one on Netflix actually crushed all three if you actually want to bust out laughing.

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88. "Gtfoh lol"
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It was ok but I didn’t lol once.

shut up already, damn

  

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90. "LOL"
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That explains it.

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91. "I checked it out due to his post"
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as soon as it said SEATTLE, WA

it all made sense. I looked for Promo in the crowd shots.

it was aiight but not nearly as funny as Rock or Dave.

shut up already, damn

  

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93. "Yep I knew it"
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He was probably backstage after the show asking when would Tom come back.

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94. "Seattle? What are you talking about?"
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Me saying Segura's was more LOL funny isn't a knock against Rock's or Dave's. I liked them all, they were just all different. Someone nailed Rock's in the post about it, about it being different because it was more casual, more personal.

Shrug. Fuck you guys.

But yeah, what does Seattle have to do w/ anything? It was filmed in Denver (or at least I assume since he said "what's up Denver" and the whole crowd cheered). If you watched Segura in Seattle then you watched the wrong one.

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95. "BIKES!"
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I just a watched an older one. He wasn’t bad, maybe his new one is 10 time funnier.

shut up already, damn

  

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96. "if you wanna see a hilarious one filmed in Seattle..."
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watch Jo Koy's most recent Netflix one, from last last year.

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103. "Yes. It was really good"
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shut up already, damn

  

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92. "i liked Segura's. i still thought both Rock and Chappelle's were better"
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I didn't even feel like it was their best, but those guys just operate on another level.

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97. "I can kinda roll with you as compared to Chris'...."
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it just didn't hit for me. Wasn't better than Dave's, IMO...but, I think Dave is the fuckin best, so I'm admittedly biased. I fuck with Segura, though. Saw him live here a few months ago...did a really good show.

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98. "you mean Katt's ? ***straightface***"
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Coolin...

  

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101. "is Katt's good? I haven't got a chance to peep yet. ALSO..."
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did anyone see Eddie Griffin's new one on Showtime? if so, how was that?

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104. "the first 10 minutes are butt....then it takes off and is very good"
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Coolin...

  

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99. "I watched the lastest based on this post. Can't front. Super funny. "
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I did go on and watch two more specials after watching the first one (his latest I think was the funniest).

I just wouldn't think to compare him to Rock or Chappelle.



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102. "OMG, this place will never change. Everyone is better than the one doing..."
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