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DavidHasselhoff
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"She's Gotta Have It(Netflix series)"


          

You watching it?

  

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Yeah, it's top quality
Nov 25th 2017
1
Nola(DeWanda Wise) is sexy as hell
Nov 25th 2017
2
She's too beautiful man n/m
Nov 25th 2017
3
It's excellent!
Nov 25th 2017
4
...specifically #ThatSite adjacent
Nov 25th 2017
5
      its not just adjacent, it’s direct...
Nov 26th 2017
9
           Exactly, a lot of familiar names & faces in it.
Nov 30th 2017
73
couldnt stomach it
Nov 25th 2017
6
This is dope.
Nov 25th 2017
7
I have gripes
Nov 26th 2017
8
It wasn't because of that
Nov 26th 2017
11
"Exaggerated depictions of street harassment" lofl
Nov 26th 2017
15
right?
Nov 27th 2017
17
this never works out the way you plan
Nov 28th 2017
40
      nigga you got standard lines of procedure for disrespecting a woman?
Nov 28th 2017
41
      you're a troll who isnt smart enough to understand conversation
Nov 28th 2017
42
           Never change bruh
Nov 28th 2017
45
      RE: its always works out like I plan
Nov 28th 2017
43
           where's the backtrack, sir?
Nov 28th 2017
44
                oh ok, that makes more sense
Nov 29th 2017
47
                     lmao
Nov 29th 2017
49
                     I didnt know I needed to clarify so much
Nov 29th 2017
51
                          never change bro
Nov 29th 2017
52
                               Im great with who I am. lame internet trolls cant change that
Nov 29th 2017
69
that harassment scene felt really extra.
Dec 07th 2017
88
      One could say the original movie had a date rape
May 29th 2019
122
for those that don't know an OKP did all the artwork in this.
Nov 26th 2017
10
The paintings? And who?
Nov 26th 2017
12
yup. the paintings. TLynnFaz.
Nov 26th 2017
14
      dope!
Nov 27th 2017
28
Not all.
Dec 05th 2017
84
Enjoyed it
Nov 26th 2017
13
Corny and cheap
Nov 27th 2017
16
my co worker put me on...
Nov 27th 2017
18
I couldn't finish the first episode. Will try again.
Nov 27th 2017
19
huh? It's basically a rip off/remix
Nov 27th 2017
20
LOL the title and characters are the same
Nov 27th 2017
21
      smh.. these people yo.
Nov 27th 2017
22
      Literally shot for shot remake of scenes and jokes from the movie
Nov 27th 2017
24
           A shot by shot remake updated with current social issues
Nov 28th 2017
31
                Yep what ^^^^^ she said
Nov 28th 2017
34
                Fair enough. How about "Recycled"?
Nov 28th 2017
36
                     it's too late..
Nov 28th 2017
39
                          nights like this...
Nov 29th 2017
66
how is the subject matter even a "thing" in 2017?
Nov 27th 2017
23
We were just clowning old show/movie premises that seem
Nov 27th 2017
25
But that's not what the original, or this updated miniseries, is about.
Nov 27th 2017
27
Because it is.
Nov 27th 2017
26
      Pardon me
Nov 27th 2017
29
      i think that's a weird lens
Dec 07th 2017
89
The final episode was corny AF but overall I liked it, it didn’t hurt ...
Nov 28th 2017
30
i really disliked that Thanksgiving episode and
Nov 28th 2017
32
Spike's loves = musicals & the late great Prince
Nov 28th 2017
33
that was the juggernaut for me...
Nov 28th 2017
35
A show about a party girl / future cat woman & a grip of cornball dudes
Nov 28th 2017
37
bruh.. you like the dude outside of clubs telling people its wack inside
Nov 28th 2017
38
cept shes an artist and educator in the show...
Nov 29th 2017
48
Kinda unbelievable
Nov 28th 2017
46
The original was cheesy tho
Nov 29th 2017
50
"She's Gotta Have It" Is Spike Lee At His Lecturing Worst (swipe)
Nov 29th 2017
53
damn, she is lecturing us on lecturing... all those damn words
Nov 29th 2017
55
right lol
Nov 29th 2017
57
This review is of Spike Lee, more than it is of She's Gotta Have It.
Nov 29th 2017
58
I don't see how one follows the other.
Nov 29th 2017
61
Understood.
Nov 29th 2017
64
      great point. Spike definitely lets his characters lecture
Nov 29th 2017
67
           "Bong Bong"
Nov 29th 2017
68
The original movie always felt like a bootleg theatre production
Nov 29th 2017
63
      Like a Shakespearean Puck
Nov 29th 2017
65
RE: "She's Gotta Have It" Is Spike Lee At His Lecturing Worst (swipe)
Dec 05th 2017
83
loved it
Nov 29th 2017
54
show is about as clever and interesting as a brick.
Nov 29th 2017
56
your screen name and your comment made me LOL for real
Nov 29th 2017
59
I need a song ID that was used
Nov 29th 2017
60
the "all about me" song ???
Nov 29th 2017
70
naah...thats not the one
Nov 29th 2017
71
I had to DIG for this
Nov 30th 2017
77
Fat Joe's Tracy Morgan impression.. lmao
Nov 29th 2017
62
Spike and Netflix should collab on all his old movies
Nov 30th 2017
72
I actually pitched this idea to him in 2015, he wasn't
Nov 30th 2017
74
bI wonder if Netflix coins could change his mind?
Nov 30th 2017
76
he specifically said he would NOT re-do DTRT...
Dec 04th 2017
80
I might be too old for it
Nov 30th 2017
75
Bad Acting, Predictable Tropes, Too Slow
Dec 01st 2017
78
Fake booty or nah?
Dec 05th 2017
82
I loved it. Looking forward to the next season.
Dec 01st 2017
79
Next season?
Dec 07th 2017
90
      It's a one time thing?
Dec 07th 2017
92
           That’s basically how the movie ended
Dec 08th 2017
93
wick wick wack
Dec 05th 2017
81
sorry yall but this is trash
Dec 06th 2017
85
lol, sounds like you have unresolved issues with Spike?
Dec 06th 2017
86
he need a motherfucking psychoanalyst
Dec 06th 2017
87
whew. accurate tho.
Dec 07th 2017
91
In addition to the beautiful people the music was great as well, I liked...
Dec 08th 2017
94
The album covers were a dope idea
Dec 08th 2017
95
I'm shocked at how flat the jokes/humor is.
Dec 10th 2017
96
I'm loving Season 2.
May 24th 2019
97
binged the whole thing yesterday. much better than the 1st season imo
May 25th 2019
98
      Yeah. It had a bunch of dope moments sprinkled throughout
May 26th 2019
99
My girl tried to get me to watch a girl-on-girl scene in this show...
May 28th 2019
100
I put it on and then left the room
May 28th 2019
101
yeah...might have to pass on this season...
May 28th 2019
102
      Is a lesbian scene shock value given the show’s premise?
May 28th 2019
103
      lol
May 28th 2019
104
      ha...nah, shock value probably isn't the right term.....
May 29th 2019
105
           I watched the first season and can’t remember the sex scenes
May 29th 2019
106
                wasn't shocking...like I said, wrong term...
May 29th 2019
107
                     the show follows the same formula of the movie...
May 29th 2019
108
                     interesting. i've never actually watched the movie.
May 29th 2019
111
                          Gotdamn you need to be Drop Squadeded
May 29th 2019
113
                               I'm positive my Blackness levels are 10x > than 98% of OKPs
May 29th 2019
117
                                    Bruh. It was Spikes first movie.
May 29th 2019
121
                     But the show is about her sex life
May 29th 2019
109
                          I know right...the irony.....lol...
May 29th 2019
110
                               You cooking fish in the break room fam
May 29th 2019
112
      I definitely got a good chuckle out of this reply
May 29th 2019
114
just started season 2
May 29th 2019
115
My biggest complaint...I feel like Spike missed an opportunity by...
May 29th 2019
116
reading this intrigues me...^^^
May 29th 2019
118
I thought street harassment was the topic of season 1
May 29th 2019
119
Season 1 starts with street harassment
May 29th 2019
123
      Yeah. Spike always has one more scene or twist than I prefer
May 29th 2019
127
           Exactly
May 29th 2019
128
                I can’t front. I don’t remember parts of season 1
Jun 05th 2019
135
Watched it all in one night and loved it
May 29th 2019
120
probably would've lost a lot of male viewers honestly
May 29th 2019
124
isn’t that the antithesis of the work...
May 29th 2019
125
      Every woman in the show goes for what she wants
May 29th 2019
126
      RE: isn’t that the antithesis of the work...
May 29th 2019
130
My understanding is that Spike's wife and a bunch of other women
May 30th 2019
132
      Yeah. His wife is the one who pushed for this reboot
May 30th 2019
133
ok so far the lesbian sex scene has been the highlight of season 2
May 29th 2019
129
the PR episode was basically a documentary, wtf? And I guess Rosie...
May 30th 2019
131
Biggest takeaway from PR episode: Mars is Mookie's son!
Jun 05th 2019
137
      That was corny.. but also funny
Jun 05th 2019
138
This was fantastic
Jun 05th 2019
134
I'm mad Dewanda Wise had to drop out of Captain Marvel for this.
Jun 05th 2019
136

ProgressiveSound
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1. "Yeah, it's top quality"
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DavidHasselhoff
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2. "Nola(DeWanda Wise) is sexy as hell"
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3. "She's too beautiful man n/m"
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'Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. ~Victor Hugo'

  

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4. "It's excellent!"
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Artful & provocative.
Probably my favorite work of his since Inside Man.
Also, subtly #thatsite-ish.

  

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Cam
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5. "...specifically #ThatSite adjacent"
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http://www.tlynnfaz.com/
https://www.illcooklikeyourmother.com/
&
Shemekka...server at downtown Brooklyn's Applebee's (I see you Kokez)

  

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9. "its not just adjacent, it’s direct..."
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..with okps contributing to the production.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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73. "Exactly, a lot of familiar names & faces in it."
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http://Tupreme.com

  

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6. "couldnt stomach it"
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7. "This is dope. "
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I love Black shows.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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8. "I have gripes"
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they had to give Netflix 5-6 hours of content, so we get TLC's Unpretty video mixed with Requiem For A Dream to address the horrors of fake butts, exaggerated satirical depictions of street harassment and white people who want to be down, a school principal who was a victim of sex trafficking, Brooklyn gentrification and random Black Lives Matter mentions

in a show about a sexually liberated woman trying to figure life out

Im on episode 8 now, but they could have easily cut it down to 8 shows

it's very Spike Lee

  

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11. "It wasn't because of that "
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Spike always is a guy with too many ideas and trying to fit them into a project no matter time length. He was going to try and cram that in no matter what. I always expect 3 things in a Spike Lee film; too many ideas, bad ending, beautifully shot. Sometimes it works.


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15. ""Exaggerated depictions of street harassment" lofl"
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17. "right? "
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40. "this never works out the way you plan "
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"fuck you bitch, you aint even that cute" is standard operating procedure if a dude wants to cross the line of disrespect

"your pussy stinks you motherfucking black bitch" is something you'll probably only hear in a Spike Lee movie that has a point to make

  

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41. "nigga you got standard lines of procedure for disrespecting a woman? "
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never change bro

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atruhead
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42. "you're a troll who isnt smart enough to understand conversation"
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45. "Never change bruh"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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43. "RE: its always works out like I plan"
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you looking like a fucn idiot

always trying to back track after you put your foot in your mouth

even the second one isn't exaggerated; it's oldish extreme

nice try though

  

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44. "where's the backtrack, sir?"
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Tue Nov-28-17 05:46 PM by atruhead

  

          

you seem awfully pressed with the profanity btw

but yeah watching the scene with my wife I said "that language was exaggerated" (I feel the same about Spike's wanna be down white boy caricatures in this show and Bamboozled)

then I saw a post on okp about it and said "that was exaggerated" (to me)

my feelings are consistent across the board, good luck trying to challenge me on how I interpret Spike Lee's work

edit: I quoted almost verbatim what the attacker said to her, you're splitting hairs between 'extreme' (how you described it) and 'exaggerated' have fun with that bruh bruh

  

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47. "oh ok, that makes more sense"
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lofl, not

gah damn you are intellectual dishonest internet idiot

it's incredible how often you do this on these boards

your initial reply was "exaggerated satirical take on street harassment". expect it isn't exaggerated nor satirizes this cultural norm, it's representing it at it's most dangerous and verbally violent (and lets not forget dude grabbed her in the scene). All these things happen, but are not the norm of street harassment, they are the extreme, NOT that adjective laden clumsy "analysis" of yours

but I'll stop replying

  

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49. "lmao"
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51. "I didnt know I needed to clarify so much"
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the verbiage used was what I found to be exaggerated and satirical

have fun throwing around insults to entertain buffoons though

  

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52. "never change bro"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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69. "Im great with who I am. lame internet trolls cant change that"
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88. "that harassment scene felt really extra."
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im glad spike lee was tame regarding sexual assault. he never got too detailed or god forbid gave us a whole rape scene.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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122. "One could say the original movie had a date rape"
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Shit was mad disrespectful on some “is this how you want it”

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10. "for those that don't know an OKP did all the artwork in this."
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the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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12. "The paintings? And who?"
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14. "yup. the paintings. TLynnFaz."
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spike saw the "stop telling women to smile" posters in brooklyn and tracked her down.

https://nypost.com/2017/11/14/spike-lee-retools-shes-gotta-have-it-for-the-tinder-generation/

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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28. "dope!"
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84. "Not all."
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13. "Enjoyed it"
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Spike did a good job.

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16. "Corny and cheap"
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18. "my co worker put me on..."
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after dinner we went back to my place
finished off 3 bottles of wine and started watching it
she fell asleep {rookie} I continued watching.

it was different for me to see a woman that way
but “artsy” people are interesting to me period.





  

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19. "I couldn't finish the first episode. Will try again. "
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Felt like a ripoff of the original movie and at the same time like a 60 year old trying to imagine how 30 years old talk.


If folks say it's worth the effort I'll give it another try but nah.


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20. "huh? It's basically a rip off/remix"
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but don't force yourself.

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21. "LOL the title and characters are the same"
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It's just an updated version how can it be a ripoff ?

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22. "smh.. these people yo. "
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24. "Literally shot for shot remake of scenes and jokes from the movie"
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In all the adaptation of movies to TV shows I've never seen straight recycling of jokes and scenes from the movie.




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31. "A shot by shot remake updated with current social issues "
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is not a rip off, considering it's made by the exact same person who made the original movie.

Rip-off implies he stole something from someone and passed it off as his own, when this was his movie and his series.

  

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34. "Yep what ^^^^^ she said"
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36. "Fair enough. How about "Recycled"?"
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>is not a rip off, considering it's made by the exact same
>person who made the original movie.
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>Rip-off implies he stole something from someone and passed it
>off as his own, when this was his movie and his series.


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39. "it's too late.. "
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66. "nights like this..."
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LOLOL

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23. "how is the subject matter even a "thing" in 2017?"
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granted, I'm only 3/4 through the first episode

me and wife looked at each other and asked each other that question.

where is the hook?

whats so interesting about a young woman owning her sexuality?

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25. "We were just clowning old show/movie premises that seem "
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mundane now.

Like the Premise of Mr. Mom was a dude raising his kids.

This show felt like a 60 year old thinking its provocative that 30 year old women would be boning a bunch of dudes.


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27. "But that's not what the original, or this updated miniseries, is about."
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"This show felt like a 60 year old thinking its provocative that 30 year old women would be boning a bunch of dudes."

  

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26. "Because it is."
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This year, a sex scandal is revealed almost weekly. With the same swiftness there is matched victim blaming/shaming.

As seemingly liberated as we are today, I still don't know of any men who'd pursue loving committed interest in a woman, while being fully comfortable that he's part of her rotation (except Drake). Anecdotally, with the sex roles reversed I can't say the same.
Which to me, is why the story is relevant today.

More importantly to this online space, part of the story arc (at least a broad stroke version of the artistic theme) mirror's that of TLynnFaz's very popular 2013 street art campaign and subsequent career trajectory.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=18&topic_id=202186&mesg_id=202186&listing_type=search#202281
Also lending relevance.

Each episode was mostly written by alternating Playwrights, aside from Spike and the Lee's. So yes, the comedy is more theatrical, vs. telematic (I might have made that word up) or cinematic, than other similar miniseries, but the approach works in its creativity. Any shortcomings are positively outweighed by the acting performances, cinematography, art direction, musical choices and concise editing.

It's fairly authentic as well. Though exaggerated, I could cast each role with an actual person who in real life is very similar to their matched character--all living within a 5 mile radius of Dekalb & Ft. Greene Place. The most different would be DaMayor PaPo, that's IncenseMan's role over there...he doesn't stink and I doubt his mind is touched because of things he's seen as a Veteran.

  

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29. "Pardon me"
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I meant Washington Park, instead of Ft Greene Place.

  

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89. "i think that's a weird lens "
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i don't think bc guys wouldn't admit to want to sign up as part of rotation means this something alien

it's just something that mean like to pretend isn't happening to them

in the age of reality tv and "hoes be winning"

nah bruh...a woman having "hoes" isn't remarkable at all

the framing changes when you try to make it male-centered and how they tend to frame their own participation in these things but nah



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30. "The final episode was corny AF but overall I liked it, it didn’t hurt ..."
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all the women in the show were easy on the eyes. The girl that played Nola Darling was exceptionally exquisite. I hope she blows up after this.

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32. "i really disliked that Thanksgiving episode and "
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thought the whole Prince performance thing was corny. Like what's happening here. It could have ended at episode 9 tbh but with episode 10, now they can start season 2 with her relationship with Opal.

  

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33. "Spike's loves = musicals & the late great Prince"
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35. "that was the juggernaut for me..."
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all I thought about is what if the tables turned
like...if it were three women instead.
aint NO WAY in hell I would have stayed
yet I'm getting closer to accepting there are people like her that exist. it was humbling if you will...

them dancing made me smile
it made sense why she liked each of them.

  

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37. "A show about a party girl / future cat woman & a grip of cornball dudes"
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My girl was watching this over the weekend. Not even the random titties could hold my interest. She likes it tho, so I guess that's what matters.

  

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38. "bruh.. you like the dude outside of clubs telling people its wack inside"
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sure see a lot of TV for someone who doesn't watch much TV.

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48. "cept shes an artist and educator in the show..."
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then relegating it to "this must be one of those for the interests of women" shows

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46. "Kinda unbelievable "
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but held my attention for the most part.

Got extra cheesy.

I can see gullible young Black girls trying to emulate this and getting their feelings hurt.

Overall though not bad at all.

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50. "The original was cheesy tho"
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I think Spike intentionally tried to keep it light like the original.

It’s one of the main gripes I have worth Spike. I know it’s his style but i prefer the Jungle Fever/Clockers/Malcolm type projects. When he goes Chiraq/Red Hook Summer it gets frustrating because there is usually a good story underneath it but the cheesy shit gets in the way.

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53. ""She's Gotta Have It" Is Spike Lee At His Lecturing Worst (swipe)"
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This kind of hit the nail on the head for me.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomiobaro/when-will-spike-lee-stop-lecturing-us?utm_term=.nx5wvqPBL#.ouzVo32Y4

Lee's new Netflix series is full of didactic moments that detract from the impact a more nuanced reimagining of his original film might have had.

Subtlety has never been Spike Lee’s strong suit. In Bamboozled, the satirical film he wrote and directed in 2000, a frustrated black TV writer played by Damon Wayans comes up with a literal minstrel variety show to placate his “I’m blacker than you” white boss, who insists on show ideas that are less Huxtable and more hood. The show becomes an improbable ratings hit as its two black stars put on cork masks and shuck and jive in front of a live studio audience. Various untenable plot hijinks ensue and by film’s end, Jada Pinkett Smith, who plays Wayans’ secretary, is holding Wayans at gunpoint as a reel of classic blackface scenes play on a monitor. “I want you to look at this shit,” she says, pointing at the TV. “Look at what you contributed to.” The gun accidentally goes off and Wayans bleeds to death as the historic footage plays.

It’s a mystifying, polarizing film, described by some critics as a triumph and by others as a strange failure, a blip in Lee’s storied career. You can get a vague sense of what Lee is trying to do — attempting to point out the ways in which black entertainers have exploited the crassest, basest stereotypes about themselves to hack it in a media landscape that doesn’t see them as complex or humane. But the satire doesn’t quite land. It’s too forced, too stilted, too broad, too hectoring. Everything is pitched at an extreme frequency. (And what is going on with Damon Wayans’ bizarre, nasal mid-Atlantic accent?)

I couldn’t help but feel a similar cringe-inducing sense of déjà vu watching some scenes in Lee’s latest project, She’s Gotta Have It, the Netflix adaptation of Lee’s lovely, though flawed, 1986 film debut of the same name. The show revolves around a 27-year-old painter named Nola Darling who struggles to make rent in gentrifying Fort Greene, Brooklyn, while juggling four lovers — three men and one woman. While there are moments that are beautiful and touching, the show is laden with heavy-handed satirical plotlines and out-of-left-field explanations of the dozens, say, or why people shouldn’t use the n-word (a debate Lee keeps reviving and needs to let die). In one particularly egregious plotline, one of Nola’s friends, a waitress at a strip club, gets butt injections that burst when she falls on her ass during a strip number (seriously). She winds up in the hospital with an infection.

That lack of subtlety is part of a larger problem with Lee’s later work and the TV shows that have followed in his overbearing footsteps, like Dear White People, another movie turned Netflix show, created by Justin Simien, which wears its Spike Lee influence proudly. Both shows raise a larger question about the role of such overly didactic art in 2017. (On its worst days, even Black-ish can feel like an after-school special). In 2017, as television is finally beginning to showcase a multiplicity of black voices, who are these lectures for?

In deference to Lee’s on-the-nose spirit, I’ll quote James Baldwin, who wrote in his essay about Uncle Tom’s Cabin and other protest novels like it, “It is indeed considered the sign of a frivolity so intense as to approach decadence to suggest that these books are both badly written and wildly improbable.” And yet he insists that such books, which are really “pamphlets,” fail as novels. The business of the novelist, he contends, is the pursuit of truth defined as “a devotion to the human being, his freedom and fulfillment; freedom which cannot be legislated, fulfillment which cannot be charted.” Such truth is inherently complex; human beings are messy and complicated; they do not neatly fold themselves into categories of good and evil.

I would expand Baldwin’s notion to other art forms besides novels, such as film and television. Good art is not rote or predictable. It is nuanced.

In Spike Lee’s best work, this complexity comes to the forefront. Crooklyn is as much a political film as Do the Right Thing, both excellent movies, largely in part because of who the film centers on — a regular 9-year-old black girl. Her struggles are quotidian and yet feel novel because we still so rarely see black working-class families onscreen, struggling to make ends meet, subject to ordinary tragedies. Hell, even Alfre Woodard’s heavily beaded hairstyle is more of an effective commentary on the dreary "weave versus natural hair” debate than the one She’s Gotta Have It reignites.

By contrast, in Netflix’s She’s Gotta Have It, all complexity goes out the window. Villains are cookie-cutter. A white brownstone owner who calls the cops on a beloved neighborhood homeless veteran is so wholly without character development she might as well be called Whitey McCracker-Gentrifier. A buffoonish white street artist who speaks in black vernacular and rocks a gold grill is so exaggerated that any effective points Lee might be trying to make about the co-optation of black art forms by white people is lost under the cartoon exterior.

And from a labored Black Lives Matter reference in the first episode to cumbersome diatribes about black female empowerment and the problems with failing public schools, the show’s black characters equally lack nuance. Satire of Bamboozled proportions also appears in the form of a fictional reality game show called She Ass’d For It, in which contestants vie for a new ass. It’s just so broad, so censorious. It’s maddening.

Dear White People, which debuted earlier this year, struggled with similar issues, attempting to do too much with its characters, tying in police brutality and colorism with haranguing monologues about why Tyler Perry is bad and why white people shouldn’t ask ethnically ambiguous people “what they are.” There’s often an underlying smugness to such work and a lingering unanswered question: Who is the intended audience for these sermons? The black people watching presumably know this stuff already. Are we supposed to laugh along in agreement? It feels like there’s a fantasy viewer Lee et al. are pandering to, an imaginary white person who wants an inside scoop on black life and assumes that such shows will provide an entryway. Are these the white people Dear White People is supposed to address?

To some extent this all boils down to a matter of taste. I prefer my history lessons in documentary form — a medium, incidentally, that Lee excels in. But I tend to chafe at anything that has an overt message, as overcompensation for an adolescence ensconced in conservative Christian media, in which every piece of art was judged solely on the basis of whether it was edifying to God.

And the desperate need Lee has to show how things are for black people writ large seems like a duty born out of the scarcity model. After all, for many years Spike Lee was the only black director most white people could readily name. He was the only black director getting nominated for Oscars. What pressures, both internal and external, did he feel to Get It Right and Explain It All to white folks, since they appeared to — if sometimes grudgingly — listen to what he had to say?

Slowly and surely, however, times are changing. Though they can disappear at a moment’s notice, there are currently more varied portrayals of black life in the movies and (especially) on TV than ever before, from the gaudy melodrama of Empire to the bubblegum frenetics of Chewing Gum. And while white people are paying attention — otherwise these shows wouldn’t get made — gratifying white audiences often seems beside the point.

I’m reminded of Danzy Senna’s excellent novel New People, which, while set in 1990s Brooklyn, expertly pokes fun at the self-seriousness that often accompanies “woke black people” today. For Senna, New Yorker staffer Doreen St. Félix writes, “blackness is not hallowed.” For Spike Lee, however, blackness still is. In his later work especially, his love is reverent and wholly self-serious. It’s the reason I will always love him, but it’s also why I sometimes find his work infuriating.

After binge-watching the new version of She’s Gotta Have It (because, cringe-inducing didacticism aside, the opening credits are gorgeous and I will watch anything with pretty black people filmed in Brooklyn), I revisited the original movie. While there are some things about it that don’t necessarily translate to our day and age (at the top of the list is a rape scene that Spike Lee has publicly disavowed), it’s still such a lovely, winsome film, awash in quiet cinematic moments: a close-up of a belly, shot in sumptuous black and white as it convulses in laughter; a burst of color as two members of the Alvin Ailey company dance to “Nola,” the exquisite original song composed by Spike Lee’s father, Bill Lee, a respected jazz composer in his own right.

And then there’s a scene that I love in its utter ordinariness. Mars Blackmon, one of Nola’s paramours (played by Lee), asks if she can grease his hair. He sits between Nola’s thighs as she takes a comb and rubs oil into his scalp. It’s a tender moment. I imagine what it would have been like to watch that scene in a movie theater in 1986, the same year that Hannah and Her Sisters, Top Gun, and Ferris Bueller’s Day Off were released. I think about how quiet and radical it must have been to see that. And how so much has changed. ●


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55. "damn, she is lecturing us on lecturing... all those damn words"
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57. "right lol"
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58. "This review is of Spike Lee, more than it is of She's Gotta Have It."
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Spike is the Pioneer, compared to the shows she cites, their style is influenced by his. Plus there are only a couple of examples, film/television certainly is not over-saturated with similar work, as she asserts.

I don't understand the claim of his lack of subtleness while lecturing, if each of his characters responsible for lecturing are each written with major character flaws?
He's not presenting Nola Darling as a model of a perfection, or even correctness, just like Mookie wasn't. What she explains as him giving lessons, I see as providing relevant context. Like parenthetical commas...found throughout all artistic genres.

  

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61. "I don't see how one follows the other. "
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>I don't understand the claim of his lack of subtleness while
>lecturing, if each of his characters responsible for lecturing
>are each written with major character flaws?

How does or would the character flaws negate the lecturing?

A flawed character can lecture.

For example, in the first fifteen minutes we are subjected to a lecture about how Denzel should have won the Oscar for Malcolm X. Besides a little self-serving, the point could have been made without one character literally lecturing another character (who is the standin for the audience) explaining the concept of a oscar makeup.

I love Spike. Wrote my thesis on his work but the dude writes dialogue for shit. Your favorite Spike Lee dialogue is probably 90% ad-libbed by the actor.


>He's not presenting Nola Darling as a model of a perfection,
>or even correctness, just like Mookie wasn't. What she
>explains as him giving lessons, I see as providing relevant
>context. Like parenthetical commas...found throughout all
>artistic genres.
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64. "Understood."
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My issue is that this critique seems to both claim and admonish an authoritarian stance by Spike.
Yes, perhaps his characters may 'lecture', but it's always part of their character. They talk shit, just like regular people talk shit...exactly what we all do on here. But never are those characters portrayed to be perfect, or even authorities, just regular people with opinions.

An example:
There's a specific alcoholic bum on my block, who I may buy a occasional cheap 6-pack for, he's an opinionated fool. Yes, there may be a nugget of truth or agreement in the diatribes he presents with hot breath, as I politely listen while finishing a beer with him on the stoop. Yes, he's a personable man with compelling stories about his difficult life...but I still know he's full of shit and misinformed ideas. I don't see that as a lecture, but as an opinion from a complex person.


  

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67. "great point. Spike definitely lets his characters lecture"
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but it doesn't mean what they are saying is fact. Usually it shows the flaws in their characters.


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68. ""Bong Bong""
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-Boricua Mars

  

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63. "The original movie always felt like a bootleg theatre production"
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I don't mind the lecturing because it always felt intentional to me. 5 minute speeches on war, famine, racism, sexism etc...

hell, half of Spike's career is the actor looking directly into the camera to address the audience.

he's right about Malcolm X too.. Denzel was robbed.

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65. "Like a Shakespearean Puck"
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83. "RE: "She's Gotta Have It" Is Spike Lee At His Lecturing Worst (swipe)"
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First of all, it is absurd to compare the Shes Gotta Have It series to Bamboozled. Wholly different tone, Hell totally different genres. The part of this where the reviewer says they “chafe” at anything with a message says it all. Even though I doubt the reviewer has as much of a problem with more traditionally repeated messages (like the “cops always get it right” underlying message in most police procedurals/cop movies).

The subplot with cabernet was the weakest part, even though Igor a chuckle out Fat Joe’s first appearance in the show, essentially playing himself.

>This kind of hit the nail on the head for me.
>
>https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomiobaro/when-will-spike-lee-stop-lecturing-us?utm_term=.nx5wvqPBL#.ouzVo32Y4
>
>Lee's new Netflix series is full of didactic moments that
>detract from the impact a more nuanced reimagining of his
>original film might have had.
>
>Subtlety has never been Spike Lee’s strong suit. In
>Bamboozled, the satirical film he wrote and directed in 2000,
>a frustrated black TV writer played by Damon Wayans comes up
>with a literal minstrel variety show to placate his “I’m
>blacker than you” white boss, who insists on show ideas that
>are less Huxtable and more hood. The show becomes an
>improbable ratings hit as its two black stars put on cork
>masks and shuck and jive in front of a live studio audience.
>Various untenable plot hijinks ensue and by film’s end, Jada
>Pinkett Smith, who plays Wayans’ secretary, is holding
>Wayans at gunpoint as a reel of classic blackface scenes play
>on a monitor. “I want you to look at this shit,” she says,
>pointing at the TV. “Look at what you contributed to.” The
>gun accidentally goes off and Wayans bleeds to death as the
>historic footage plays.
>
>It’s a mystifying, polarizing film, described by some
>critics as a triumph and by others as a strange failure, a
>blip in Lee’s storied career. You can get a vague sense of
>what Lee is trying to do — attempting to point out the ways
>in which black entertainers have exploited the crassest,
>basest stereotypes about themselves to hack it in a media
>landscape that doesn’t see them as complex or humane. But
>the satire doesn’t quite land. It’s too forced, too
>stilted, too broad, too hectoring. Everything is pitched at an
>extreme frequency. (And what is going on with Damon Wayans’
>bizarre, nasal mid-Atlantic accent?)
>
>I couldn’t help but feel a similar cringe-inducing sense of
>déjà vu watching some scenes in Lee’s latest project,
>She’s Gotta Have It, the Netflix adaptation of Lee’s
>lovely, though flawed, 1986 film debut of the same name. The
>show revolves around a 27-year-old painter named Nola Darling
>who struggles to make rent in gentrifying Fort Greene,
>Brooklyn, while juggling four lovers — three men and one
>woman. While there are moments that are beautiful and
>touching, the show is laden with heavy-handed satirical
>plotlines and out-of-left-field explanations of the dozens,
>say, or why people shouldn’t use the n-word (a debate Lee
>keeps reviving and needs to let die). In one particularly
>egregious plotline, one of Nola’s friends, a waitress at a
>strip club, gets butt injections that burst when she falls on
>her ass during a strip number (seriously). She winds up in the
>hospital with an infection.
>
>That lack of subtlety is part of a larger problem with Lee’s
>later work and the TV shows that have followed in his
>overbearing footsteps, like Dear White People, another movie
>turned Netflix show, created by Justin Simien, which wears its
>Spike Lee influence proudly. Both shows raise a larger
>question about the role of such overly didactic art in 2017.
>(On its worst days, even Black-ish can feel like an
>after-school special). In 2017, as television is finally
>beginning to showcase a multiplicity of black voices, who are
>these lectures for?
>
>In deference to Lee’s on-the-nose spirit, I’ll quote James
>Baldwin, who wrote in his essay about Uncle Tom’s Cabin and
>other protest novels like it, “It is indeed considered the
>sign of a frivolity so intense as to approach decadence to
>suggest that these books are both badly written and wildly
>improbable.” And yet he insists that such books, which are
>really “pamphlets,” fail as novels. The business of the
>novelist, he contends, is the pursuit of truth defined as “a
>devotion to the human being, his freedom and fulfillment;
>freedom which cannot be legislated, fulfillment which cannot
>be charted.” Such truth is inherently complex; human beings
>are messy and complicated; they do not neatly fold themselves
>into categories of good and evil.
>
>I would expand Baldwin’s notion to other art forms besides
>novels, such as film and television. Good art is not rote or
>predictable. It is nuanced.
>
>In Spike Lee’s best work, this complexity comes to the
>forefront. Crooklyn is as much a political film as Do the
>Right Thing, both excellent movies, largely in part because of
>who the film centers on — a regular 9-year-old black girl.
>Her struggles are quotidian and yet feel novel because we
>still so rarely see black working-class families onscreen,
>struggling to make ends meet, subject to ordinary tragedies.
>Hell, even Alfre Woodard’s heavily beaded hairstyle is more
>of an effective commentary on the dreary "weave versus natural
>hair” debate than the one She’s Gotta Have It reignites.
>
>By contrast, in Netflix’s She’s Gotta Have It, all
>complexity goes out the window. Villains are cookie-cutter. A
>white brownstone owner who calls the cops on a beloved
>neighborhood homeless veteran is so wholly without character
>development she might as well be called Whitey
>McCracker-Gentrifier. A buffoonish white street artist who
>speaks in black vernacular and rocks a gold grill is so
>exaggerated that any effective points Lee might be trying to
>make about the co-optation of black art forms by white people
>is lost under the cartoon exterior.
>
>And from a labored Black Lives Matter reference in the first
>episode to cumbersome diatribes about black female empowerment
>and the problems with failing public schools, the show’s
>black characters equally lack nuance. Satire of Bamboozled
>proportions also appears in the form of a fictional reality
>game show called She Ass’d For It, in which contestants vie
>for a new ass. It’s just so broad, so censorious. It’s
>maddening.
>
>Dear White People, which debuted earlier this year, struggled
>with similar issues, attempting to do too much with its
>characters, tying in police brutality and colorism with
>haranguing monologues about why Tyler Perry is bad and why
>white people shouldn’t ask ethnically ambiguous people
>“what they are.” There’s often an underlying smugness to
>such work and a lingering unanswered question: Who is the
>intended audience for these sermons? The black people watching
>presumably know this stuff already. Are we supposed to laugh
>along in agreement? It feels like there’s a fantasy viewer
>Lee et al. are pandering to, an imaginary white person who
>wants an inside scoop on black life and assumes that such
>shows will provide an entryway. Are these the white people
>Dear White People is supposed to address?
>
>To some extent this all boils down to a matter of taste. I
>prefer my history lessons in documentary form — a medium,
>incidentally, that Lee excels in. But I tend to chafe at
>anything that has an overt message, as overcompensation for an
>adolescence ensconced in conservative Christian media, in
>which every piece of art was judged solely on the basis of
>whether it was edifying to God.
>
>And the desperate need Lee has to show how things are for
>black people writ large seems like a duty born out of the
>scarcity model. After all, for many years Spike Lee was the
>only black director most white people could readily name. He
>was the only black director getting nominated for Oscars. What
>pressures, both internal and external, did he feel to Get It
>Right and Explain It All to white folks, since they appeared
>to — if sometimes grudgingly — listen to what he had to
>say?
>
>Slowly and surely, however, times are changing. Though they
>can disappear at a moment’s notice, there are currently more
>varied portrayals of black life in the movies and (especially)
>on TV than ever before, from the gaudy melodrama of Empire to
>the bubblegum frenetics of Chewing Gum. And while white people
>are paying attention — otherwise these shows wouldn’t get
>made — gratifying white audiences often seems beside the
>point.
>
>I’m reminded of Danzy Senna’s excellent novel New People,
>which, while set in 1990s Brooklyn, expertly pokes fun at the
>self-seriousness that often accompanies “woke black
>people” today. For Senna, New Yorker staffer Doreen St.
>Félix writes, “blackness is not hallowed.” For Spike Lee,
>however, blackness still is. In his later work especially, his
>love is reverent and wholly self-serious. It’s the reason I
>will always love him, but it’s also why I sometimes find his
>work infuriating.
>
>After binge-watching the new version of She’s Gotta Have It
>(because, cringe-inducing didacticism aside, the opening
>credits are gorgeous and I will watch anything with pretty
>black people filmed in Brooklyn), I revisited the original
>movie. While there are some things about it that don’t
>necessarily translate to our day and age (at the top of the
>list is a rape scene that Spike Lee has publicly disavowed),
>it’s still such a lovely, winsome film, awash in quiet
>cinematic moments: a close-up of a belly, shot in sumptuous
>black and white as it convulses in laughter; a burst of color
>as two members of the Alvin Ailey company dance to “Nola,”
>the exquisite original song composed by Spike Lee’s father,
>Bill Lee, a respected jazz composer in his own right.
>
>And then there’s a scene that I love in its utter
>ordinariness. Mars Blackmon, one of Nola’s paramours (played
>by Lee), asks if she can grease his hair. He sits between
>Nola’s thighs as she takes a comb and rubs oil into his
>scalp. It’s a tender moment. I imagine what it would have
>been like to watch that scene in a movie theater in 1986, the
>same year that Hannah and Her Sisters, Top Gun, and Ferris
>Bueller’s Day Off were released. I think about how quiet and
>radical it must have been to see that. And how so much has
>changed. ●
>
>
>**********
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>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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54. "loved it "
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especially the theatrical feel to the writing and the sets.


I also realllly enjoyed the opening credits. Spike's always been great at montage, so it makes sense for his intro to be so damn engaging. I usually skip the intros for shows, but not this one.


Hoping for another season



  

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56. "show is about as clever and interesting as a brick."
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59. "your screen name and your comment made me LOL for real"
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60. "I need a song ID that was used "
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in episode 6...during Nola's art exhibition. The bathroom scene where Mars is getting acquainted with the white dude in the restroom. What was playing in the background??

  

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70. "the "all about me" song ???"
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if so it is asia major

https://soundcloud.com/theasiamajor/asia-major-all-about-me

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it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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71. "naah...thats not the one"
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was a rap joint. kinda melodic with guitar...sounded like J-Live was on it.

  

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77. "I had to DIG for this"
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https://www.fwweekly.com/2017/07/05/armanis-gotta-have-it/

  

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62. "Fat Joe's Tracy Morgan impression.. lmao"
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72. "Spike and Netflix should collab on all his old movies"
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Jungle Fever
School Daze
Do The Right Thing
Mo Betta Blues
Clockers

All those joints would be dope as 10 episode series.



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74. "I actually pitched this idea to him in 2015, he wasn't"
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feeling it.


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76. "bI wonder if Netflix coins could change his mind?"
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80. "he specifically said he would NOT re-do DTRT..."
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>Jungle Fever
>School Daze
>Do The Right Thing
>Mo Betta Blues
>Clockers
>
>All those joints would be dope as 10 episode series.
>
>
>
>

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75. "I might be too old for it"
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visually it's beautiful, but I can't help comparing it to the original. This shit aint for me, it's repackaged for the way these new kids perceive their world and how they consume media.

I'm not hating on it. I pretty much root for any black content on Netflix, but this aint in my wheelhouse

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78. "Bad Acting, Predictable Tropes, Too Slow"
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I loved the original. It was ground breaking. This was more like "meh".

The new Nola is pretty but something is flat about her appeal. The big booty judgement is stupid. This is the age of Cardi B and Kim K. No one cares about "fake assess' in 2017. Do you boo.

The Puerto Rican trying to be Spike was waayyyy too much. I would have liked if he had has own weird artsy identity.

I think this is riding off of the Insecure, sexually liberated, black woman in Brooklyn /LA/DC trend. But it the writing feels too regurgitated.

I only made it to episode 3.

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82. "Fake booty or nah? "
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79. "I loved it. Looking forward to the next season. "
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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90. "Next season? "
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92. "It's a one time thing? "
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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93. "That’s basically how the movie ended"
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They let a few things out for obvious reasons but after the dinner they basically go there separate ways.

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81. "wick wick wack"
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some of the most annoying characters I've ever seen and juvenile writing

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85. "sorry yall but this is trash"
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i don't understand how anyone can watch this without seeing all of spike's unresolved issues showing. spike is a very important person in the history of film, but he got issues which i'd prefer him deal with on his own time than revisiting via remakes of his old movies work trying to make up for the shortcomings of youth with the short comings of late stage middle age.


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86. "lol, sounds like you have unresolved issues with Spike? "
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I think this is who Spike is...

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87. "he need a motherfucking psychoanalyst"
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91. "whew. accurate tho."
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94. "In addition to the beautiful people the music was great as well, I liked..."
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how he actually showed who the artist was after each song...

https://open.spotify.com/user/g0u1d1e1/playlist/44dODinhBz574Q4uL3Z1j0

https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/She-Gotta-Have-Season-1-Soundtrack-44296194

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95. "The album covers were a dope idea"
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96. "I'm shocked at how flat the jokes/humor is. "
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I realized I hadn't legitimately laughed at all, 4 episodes in. I think that's part of why I'm struggling with this show - it ought to be hilarious.

  

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97. "I'm loving Season 2. "
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98. "binged the whole thing yesterday. much better than the 1st season imo"
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some dope music... really feeling that brooklyn song at the end of the 1st episode... that whole episode in P.R. was excellent as well... liked that twsit at the end with rosie perez's character

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99. "Yeah. It had a bunch of dope moments sprinkled throughout"
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100. "My girl tried to get me to watch a girl-on-girl scene in this show..."
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...in attempts to get me to watch. Pretty chicks in this show, but nah. It was warm out, rather go do some yard work than watch any of this, even with all the pretty sistas.

  

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101. "I put it on and then left the room "
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and my wife was like WTF.. already??

Gonna watch it tonight since the kids are out of town.

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102. "yeah...might have to pass on this season..."
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hard for me to stay invested in shows that rely heavily on "shock" value...



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103. "Is a lesbian scene shock value given the show’s premise? "
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That’s like not watching the Terminator because he kills people.

She’s Gotta Have It!!!

Let her have it.

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104. "lol"
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>That’s like not watching the Terminator because he kills
>people.
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>She’s Gotta Have It!!!
>
>Let her have it.

He wanted to see the non-violent Terminator

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105. "ha...nah, shock value probably isn't the right term....."
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Seems like the sex scenes are the main attraction of the show most of the time (at least last season did)...and to me that's just poor writing
If I wanna watch pron, then i'ma watch pron...not soft pron disguised as a woke sitcom.

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106. "I watched the first season and can’t remember the sex scenes"
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So maybe it was shocking but more than likely it was just regular sex scenes in 2019

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107. "wasn't shocking...like I said, wrong term..."
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I do recall a lot of them though...and it seemed like the show relied heavily on them...

I liked the aesthetic of the show a lot though...


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108. "the show follows the same formula of the movie..."
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..its the very definition of satire.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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111. "interesting. i've never actually watched the movie."
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113. "Gotdamn you need to be Drop Squadeded "
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117. "I'm positive my Blackness levels are 10x > than 98% of OKPs"
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"She's Gotta Have It" never seemed like something worth watching to me....

I saw Girl 6 doe....

  

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121. "Bruh. It was Spikes first movie. "
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That’s like... blasphemy.

Funded by credit cards, jazz soundtrack, in B&W.

How sway? Lol

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109. "But the show is about her sex life "
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110. "I know right...the irony.....lol..."
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man...just let me cook lol...

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112. "You cooking fish in the break room fam"
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114. "I definitely got a good chuckle out of this reply "
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You have to be invested in her getting "it" to sit down and watch the show. What you thought, it was some type of metaphor?

  

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115. "just started season 2"
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116. "My biggest complaint...I feel like Spike missed an opportunity by..."
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...focusing on gentrification instead of sexual harassment/violence, etc...

Not that gentrification isn't a real issue

But with the premise of the series

and the prevelance of the #metoo movement

Really feel like he missed the boat by steering the focus toward gentrification

Otherwise, love the series...and really, I love all of Spike's work.

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118. "reading this intrigues me...^^^"
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might have to give it another shot....



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119. "I thought street harassment was the topic of season 1"
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123. "Season 1 starts with street harassment"
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most of the season is a journey through sexual identity, etc...

But the last couple of episodes focus on social issues

Trumpster

then gentrification

Season 1 goes from...my name ain't ma...to...The G

Definitely thought the focus should remained constant through the 1st season

throwing in gentrification/politics toward the end felt forced and a distraction

I'm in for season 2...and I'm sure I'll have another critique or 2

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127. "Yeah. Spike always has one more scene or twist than I prefer"
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128. "Exactly"
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Felt like the season was building momentum to culminate in a #metoo moment...based on the...my name isn't campaign...

...and then spike was like...

You know what

I'm fucking tired of agent orange and all these yt peepow in BK

Let's wrap the season with those 2 topics

LOL

Both of those topics could have been told in a more relevant narrative, in the context of the series (black/female sexuality/empowerment), and probably be expounded upon throughout an entire season of their own

But Spike just throws it in there...it must've made sense in his head

Edit

For example, had he waited until this season

He could have contrasted Trumpster's attacks on minorities with the attacks on abortion rights

He could have done an entire season of #blankwhileblack...

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135. "I can’t front. I don’t remember parts of season 1"
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but man... when the circled back to The G I was fucking rolling.

Onyx speech had me crying.

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120. "Watched it all in one night and loved it"
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The first series was a little hokey but I liked the feel, color and theme of everything.

The second series was excellent, funny, more in-depth and the characters could become their own instead of trying to hold on to the original movie. This was so well done and so refreshing to see beautiful black people on screen who don't fit the weave/gold chain/tons of makeup monolith.

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124. "probably would've lost a lot of male viewers honestly"
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125. "isn’t that the antithesis of the work..."
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...making men comfortable?

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126. "Every woman in the show goes for what she wants"
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I really liked that even her mom, while married and older still kept her dream alive.

I think yes, the whole premise is that waiting for male approval will never yeild happiness.

Even if you are the perfect wife, like Greer's wife, he still cheated.
Even if you are old and married like Nola's mom, she still wanted to act.
Even if you are a lesbian and a mom, you can't wait for a man to saint you or else you will feel miserable.

Her art work doesn't wow me but I love learning about the black art world!

Very well done.

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130. "RE: isn’t that the antithesis of the work..."
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>...making men comfortable?

I think Netflix is more concerned about the views

  

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132. "My understanding is that Spike's wife and a bunch of other women "
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are the majority of the writers of the show.

  

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133. "Yeah. His wife is the one who pushed for this reboot"
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129. "ok so far the lesbian sex scene has been the highlight of season 2"
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131. "the PR episode was basically a documentary, wtf? And I guess Rosie..."
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Perez needed some work but damn

  

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137. "Biggest takeaway from PR episode: Mars is Mookie's son!"
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LOL

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138. "That was corny.. but also funny "
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134. "This was fantastic"
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I loved the PR episode.

Only issue I had was the art behind the curtain. I thought it was going to be more controversial.

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136. "I'm mad Dewanda Wise had to drop out of Captain Marvel for this."
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