When you read these stories, do you think that these dudes desires come from a completely different place than yours? How much of this behavior comes from having a sickness? How much of it comes from these individuals having a low moral standing?

I don't expect anyone to have the answers, I just feel like this is something that will need to get unpacked eventually.

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Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
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Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
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is that the sex drives of non-sexual offenders often involve power and the ego as well. The sex drive is a complicated thing.

Therefore it likely wouldn't the be the case that the power and ego parts of the psyche that are involved in "normal" sex aren't related whatsoever to those involved in predatory sex.

*edit to add clarity maybe* "Rape isn't about sex, it's about power." "But sex is among other things also about power, so how does rape's being about power rule out its also being about sex?"

where its been culturally permissible.

in a general sense...people act according to what they can get away with. people really only change once they face negative consequences.

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"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

some of these stories sound like unwanted sexual advances

is that a crime?

if I take my shot, you say no, I K.I.M., is that sexual misconduct?

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a respectful "shot" and then keeping it moving? cause ive seen none.

*noteworthy cases. i'm sure there have been cases where Rick in accounting got hemmed up on a miscommunication.

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Forcibly kissed, makes it sound like it was 1X

and the photo: http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/171116113211-al-franken-leeann-tweeden-2006-exlarge-169.jpg

is that groping?

when I heard the report I was thinking completely different scenario

this is 2006, before he's a senator

i.e. SNL vet

looks like a joke to me

the W.H. groping too

IDK, it's starting to enter into an area that it's hard to delineate what is and what isn't criminal sexual behavior IMO.

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He was attracted her

Kissed her

She made it clear she wasn't reciprocating

other than a joke of a photo

sounds like he left it at that

I don't see it.

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in this specific case, sounds like there will be an investigation but in general, staging sexual photo ops while a person you barely know is sleeping isnt just a misunderstood holler. it may not be sexual assault, but its terrible judgement at the very least.

also, from her initial allegations, it sounds like he was pressed to rehearse a kiss for dumb comedy routine despite her initial resistance to the idea. when you start being pressed, you're asking for trouble.

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still don't see the crime

that was my point, in case you missed it

bad judgement

sure

I'm asking, where does it become criminal?

you wanted an example

I gave it

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i'm not trying to have a "gotcha" debate. just a discussion.

edit: i think its just an "ethics" investigation by the senate committee. which seems right bc what he's alleged with is clearly an ethical violation.

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does it not appear to have criminal implications?

all of the media attention and an investigation

?

again, you asked for an example

I gave it

no agenda

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and explained why Franken's alleged shot wasnt respectful. Franken's not under criminal investigation as far as i know at the moment and his shot was ethically dubious, not just an innocent holler and KIM.

whatever else you're going on about, i have nothing to contribute. sorry for any misundertsanding, hoss.

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>IDK, it's starting to enter into an area that it's hard to
>delineate what is and what isn't criminal sexual behavior
>IMO.

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>some of these stories sound like unwanted sexual advances
>
>is that a crime?
>
>if I take my shot, you say no, I K.I.M., is that sexual
>misconduct?


The thread a week or two ago where a couple folks were saying that even saying "Hello!" on the street is problematic kinda threw me for a loop. That might take a fresh install of the personal operating system before that patch can be installed... or I'll just have to accept the risk on this vulnerability.

But I'd call most these incidents more than sexual advances. Beating off in front of someone who doesn't want to see it is indecent exposure. Touching someone on their private parts who doesn't want to be touched is sexual battery.

I think the scenario you mentioned should be fair, outside of a work environment. In a work environment, I've steered very clear of any shot taking. And if you're a celebrity or politician, you might as well do as the athletes do and have everybody sign waivers.

In general public for regular people, though, you should be able to do it within reason but I'm sure it can get irritating being the one that's usually sought after.

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We need a mandate on what is acceptable

because alot of this is grey area IMO

I get the power play with the CK example

but if that's a regular Joe on some...hey ladies...mind if I pull my dick out

if they aren't into it, they probably get up and leave

no foul, IMO.

I get the vulnerability that alot of these situations include

but I'm saying for regular dudes like us, if I grab a cheek, or go in for a kiss...does that make me a sexual predator/criminal?

definitely need a reboot

because the answer is...yes, if she didn't want you to do it

but how do you know, until you take your shot?

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Taking that shot shot

Alot of times the reaction after said Ill advised shot attempt says a lot too.

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>but if that's a regular Joe on some...hey ladies...mind if I
>pull my dick out
>
>if they aren't into it, they probably get up and leave
>
>no foul, IMO.

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Just be aware of how consent is understood by the law and also be aware of the explicit and implicit power you have in situations with women.

I think the days of the gorilla pimp are waning. While some women will always like a domineering man, that style is increasingly a liability (especially if you have fame, money or power).

Luckily, women are empowered and can express that they want alot of what we want so the goal is less getting what you want through coercion and more fostering an environment where ya'll both get what you want.

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granted i think a person has to be wired or think a certain way to 'enjoy' let alone engage in certain (what i deem) crazy shit

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but that doesn't mean taking deviant measures to get in them jeans is

acceptable. Like - ever.

"It's the return of the gangsta, thanks ta..."

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I feel like you did.

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WE REALLY GONNA TRY & BLAME BIOLOGY ?!?!

ugh

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this post should primarily consist of clowning.

It's Friday.

I'll allow it (c) Mills Lane

"It's the return of the gangsta, thanks ta..."

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>WE REALLY GONNA TRY & BLAME BIOLOGY ?!?!
>
>ugh


If the honus is on us to help keep other men from entertaining this type of behavior, I don't see how it hurts to unpack this a little.

Men generally don't want to help each other with this type of stuff. No need to shame me because I might be re-evaluating a little more than you are.

Edit

Look at my avi & sig.... I used to find it comical but now I'm open to re-evaluating anything that possibly could help contribute to this mess.

of all of em in here?
are you really trying to unpack this?

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

>of all of em in here?
>are you really trying to unpack this?

Sometimes I can't help but try to get them out of the paint, as foolish as the endeavor may be.
Otherwise, it's a bunch of us getting our feelings out on the issue. That's what I want. I want to see how people feel, I don't know if I'm in a position to really challenge anyone's viewpoint. Can I really tell you that 0% is wrong?

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

but I still haven't gotten it all together in my head. Again I'm not comfortable going up and down this post challenging people, that's not what I made the post for.
In any case we have 15-20 different people that have given their take on the matter, and we wouldn't have any of these responses if I didn't start this post. So let me know exactly what it is that's making you antagonistic here.

sit with that for a second....you just tried to premise that sexual assault is a "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" situation.......................................................................................https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o6Zt9oH4syvJuyh3i/giphy.gif

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and our culture of allowing it, but acting like we care.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

i do think there is somewhat of a repression of the male sex drive in american society but at best it leads indirectly to this creep shit.

most creep shit is a power trip. like when you make one of these ridiculous hollers on the street, it's more about intimidation than the actual potential for it to lead to sex, way more.

same thing here, it's about what you can get away with and how you can subjugate the other person. most of these encounters don't seem sexually satisfying in any way, more of a power trip or pushing the envelope to see how important you are to be able to silence the victim or receive indifference from those to whom she speaks about the incident.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

If you're using your position in a company to try to get employees (or would be employees) to have sex with you out of fear of losing opportunity that's an exploitive behavior worthy of scorn and consequences.

Some folks are legit sadists and/our sociopaths and look for ways you inflict suffering on people (often thru sexual means) I wouldn't lump that in with general male behavior.

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not to do creepy shit

>not to do creepy shit

I don't think I can ignore what is going on just because I don't participate in it.

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"Get ready....for your blessing....."

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

if for a second you stop comparing your morals to those men
and think about your natural make up as men...

most would do anything for the booty

>if for a second you stop comparing your morals to those men

never compared my morals to theirs...never crossed my mind


>and think about your natural make up as men...


expound in this as well because the natural make up of anyone has pros and cons

>most would do anything for the booty

booty is inconsequential in some of these situations
CK was not trying to get booty
Franken was not trying to get booty
George H was not trying to get booty

they were in a position to make women feel a certain way based on the power dynamic they had in these situations

sexual desire is not wrong in any way
and deaminig it is kind of missing out on the larger scale of why these things happen

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

is your point that it is their desire to have power of these women than it is their desire to have sex with them?

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

like. why doesn’t he want something else...

Sex is just one of the things that make them feel powerful.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

of the overall
greed
perception
social standing
money
media

but the power they exalted over their victims was what got them off...not the sex
if the sex was the only point of their behavior...they would stop at a certain point
but have power over a victim was much mor gratifying for alot of these guys
which is why i say the power dynamic they had played more of a role in their behavior then actual sex
weinstein did want other things...he was a bonified harraser to even people he loved and worked with
same thing with any other abuser like that...i doesnt just show up in sex is shows up in the totality of their identity as a man

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

but she said no. I fell back and did the Vincent Vega method:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDr5cjeY_j8

It's not rocket science. Go home, jerk off, stay out of jail/headlines

It's not even fronting on some moral saint shit
It's basic common decency

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There's already been studies that removal of societal norms women's sex drive is basically equal to the male sex drive.

Thing is society isn't really built for women to easily act on on their desires, while at the same time telling men that for them to succeed in the world that they M-U-S-T act out on those desires...leading to women under compensating and men overcompensating.

>There's already been studies that removal of societal norms
>women's sex drive is basically equal to the male sex drive.
>
>Thing is society isn't really built for women to easily act on
>on their desires, while at the same time telling men that for
>them to succeed in the world that they M-U-S-T act out on
>those desires...leading to women under compensating and men
>overcompensating.

i mean, all the exaggerated macho stuff you get fed as a man.
the idea that its your nature and you're a slave to your desires.
and other men allowing that to justify things.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>i mean, all the exaggerated macho stuff you get fed as a
>man.
>the idea that its your nature and you're a slave to your
>desires.
>and other men allowing that to justify things.

ask for a link. I don't see the problem in having more information. Please don't try to assume what my viewpoint is based off of my request.

https://theconversation.com/when-society-isnt-judging-womens-sex-drive-rivals-mens-40863

This one makes a counter argument; it agrees women/male sexuality are around the same but that women will ramp up/ramp down their sexuality based on their mate which id also argue is societal

https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/07/how-strong-is-the-female-sex-drive-after-all/277429/

>https://theconversation.com/when-society-isnt-judging-womens-sex-drive-rivals-mens-40863
>
>This one makes a counter argument; it agrees women/male
>sexuality are around the same but that women will ramp up/ramp
>down their sexuality based on their mate which id also argue
>is societal
>
>https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/07/how-strong-is-the-female-sex-drive-after-all/277429/

Let’s be clear that there is a difference between having sex drive, then acting upon that drive. It would be a total lie to say that men want sex and women don’t. I am sure that we have seen a woman’s sex drive kick into gear when they see a dude they wanna have sex with.

its how men view women as objects.

I was raised “right” but despite that I knew that having

the dopest car
nicest clothes
coolest job (legal or illegal)
getting pussy

was the most important thing going into teen/adult years, all of equal value. I got a momma and a strong ass sister and it took mad de-programming just to get me to diet levels of asshole maleness where Ill still catch myself reverting to high school reggie in moments,

Like I was raised to respect women as an abstract; my momma, my teachers, etc. But my peers that were women? lol

Its why pimp culture is celebrated even though on paper its an abhorent activity concerning morales AND flies in the face of other stereotypes of what being a man entails, pimp behavior flies in the face of alpha male behavior. Except for one thing. They get pussy tho as an abstract object, so we forgive all those other sins

saying such almost trivializes how society empowers men to do these type of things on a mass scale

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Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

>saying such almost trivializes how society empowers men to do
>these type of things on a mass scale

In retrospect I would have given options between 0% & 20% but obviously I don't have all the answers.

idk Reg. my experience with men would have me believe the power you assert over us has a lot to do with how women are viewed. How you may "act" may differ but it's all the same in that regard..."how you view us". you might not be the guy that harass me in the office; however, participating in a discussion about which woman is finer is all the same.

so yeah. a man's initial "thought" about woman is always sexual first. That's why I believe you all aren't being honest.

I mean, lemmie whip out my Psych 101

At the end of the day it's about seeing women as materialistic objects out the jump. You're seen as trophy's to show off, what you can provide (at a minimum a more satisfying orgasm then a hand) and something pretty to look at (Yooo remind me of my jeeeep).

There's always a sexual component because I mean, we are humans are sexual people. But the post mentions a sex drive as we know it in nature...the scientific override to procreate, is the main driver. I think thats where we don't get each other...like I agree theres a sexual component...how else could a rapist get it up?

But there's also this idea that sexual urges are these uncontrollable tornados of feelings but its not. Same way you may see someone that you would fuck on paper but can glance and keep it moving. Imho its less about sex and power and procession which you've mentioned, something we get taught at an early age.


After we get called on it we go into two directions; We reckon with the fact you are actually people and that the power dynamic is unhealthy even if its just not an actual conversion...just for our sakes (the old player retiring cause he's getting slower in the club scene, etc)...or we just double down on having the juice and do fucked up shit as we all know not even in hollywood, real life.

I mean there's something beautiful about women I find on an objective art level; I follow a bunch of fine art photographers who have objectively beautiful pictures of women in various states of dress and undress. Id like to think that and me popping in the the Demetria Obilor post are the same.

But if I gotta be honest is it different then when I scan a crowd and my eyes linger a bit too long on one cutie wearing yoga pants who's just threw them bitches on cause she needs to pick some shit up at Target real quick? Maybe not.


>idk Reg. my experience with men would have me believe the
>power you assert over us has a lot to do with how women are
>viewed. How you may "act" may differ but it's all the same in
>that regard..."how you view us". you might not be the guy
>that harass me in the office; however, participating in a
>discussion about which woman is finer is all the same.
>
>so yeah. a man's initial "thought" about woman is always
>sexual first. That's why I believe you all aren't being
>honest.

I can appreciate the response

Like I said if it’s a guy that y’all are really feelin’ then women do the same thing.

Women discuss a man’s build, dick size, etc.

Men like certain things about a woman just like women like certain things about guys. That’s natural between men and women. As I stated there’s a difference in drive and how you go about acting on that drive, but this notion that all men do is pursue women for sex and women don’t ever want it is false.

>, but this notion that all
>men do is pursue women

I explain it in my post above...

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

or any of these make her watch me jerk it types. Granted, Harvey's a next level shitbag, but i feel like anyone who would send dick pics to women, without any concern over whether she wants it or not, would be doing the same kind of shit as CK if they were in an actual power position

i remember one poster on here a few years back bragging about how he'll send 10 and since he'd get one positive response, he'd see it as a W

i don't think it has much to do with sex drive. there's something psychologically fucked up

Like you send them, she's disgusted, now what? You jerk to that?

It's illogical creep behavior that's not about sex.

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that wasnt my go to move often, but sometimes it sealed the deal

we have a homeboy (in a relationship for over a year now, thankfully) that was still pulling this move in his 30s, his logic was it would weed out the bullshit early. I witnessed him get an attractive woman's number only for it to fizzle out after pulling those shenanigans

http://vt.co/news/married-teacher-forced-students-sex-exchange-good-grades/?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post

This married teacher 'forced students to have sex' in exchange for good grades
If the last few weeks have taught us anything, it's that sexual abuse is rife in the world - whether we notice it or not.
Often, abusers are people in positions of power. Some big Hollywood names have been outed as perpetrators of harassment and inappropriate behavior recently, but these types of actions are by no means limited to high-status positions.
This week, news emerged of a Columbian school teacher who forced her underage pupils to have sex with her in return for good grades.

The teacher, who has been identified only as 'Yokasta M', is set to be formally charged after it emerged that she was blackmailing her students into sleeping with her, and had threatened to fail them if they refused to comply.

The 40-year-old woman asked for her students' numbers in order to "help them with their studies", but then groomed the teenagers by sending them hundreds of explicit pictures via Whatsapp. After her arrest, one of her victims posted some of the images online.

Along with the pictures (some of which depicted the woman almost entirely nude), the student provided a statement showing exactly what he thought of the woman. "This is the teacher Yokasta, who tells us that she disapproves of us if we do not have relations with her," he said.

It is believed that Yokasta asked up to 40 young boys for their numbers and invited dozens of them back to her flat, where she ordered some of them to perform sex acts on her and said she would give them failing grades if they declined.

Yokasta's perverted activity was only discovered when the stepfather of one of the victims noticed some X-rated snaps on his son's phone. Amongst the pictures were shots of the teacher in her underwear, in a bikini, in sexually-suggestive positions, and even one with her using a stuffed toy to cover her exposed genitals.

The woman had been bombarding her students with pictures non-stop, manipulating them into doing things they did not want to, and showing complete disregard for their wellbeing.

As a result of her disgusting behavior, the teacher could be facing up to four decades behind bars. Not only that, but her husband has abandoned her, and filed for divorce after finding out about Yokasta's treatment of her students.

Yokasta M columbian teacher Credit: Canal 4

Worryingly, many reactions to the story have not been ones of condemnation and disappointment - but rather approval.

"If i had to chose a way of being threatened this would be it. I would have had a field day bumping my grades up with this," said one commenter.

"Why couldn't I have had teachers like her lol," wrote another.

One of the problems with abuse from women against boys and young men is that it is not taken seriously enough. The pupils in this situation were forced to act against their will and perform sexual acts under duress, and, had they been female, this story would probably be received a lot differently.

Perhaps, if we recognized the true severity of incidents like this, we would not have such large-scale problems such as the ones we are seeing in Hollywood right now.

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You don't really hear stories about the Women with power in Corporate America sexually harassing people which could be for a few reasons

Are they just overall more ethical?

Is there a larger microscope over them so they're way more hesitant to get into shenanigans?

Are the people they're trying to harass just down for the get down/keeping their mouth shut?

But you hear rather often about High School teachers fucking their students and going to jail for it. I doubt it happens to the extent that Men in Hollywood/Corporate America are doing it, but you got to figure for everyone who gets caught there's probably another 5 that we'll never hear about.

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as much in the corporate world
the sexual abuse of boys by women in schools has been revealed to pretty much be an epidemic in the past decade or so. I see no reason to believe that that rate of abuse wouldn't translate to other environments with a similar power differential between a female abuser and a male (or female) victim.
Thing is, there just isn't that many places in our culture with that kind of institutional power differential in favor of women.
I've known some men to get harassed by women bosses in the workplace, and I'd suspect that its probably a lot more common than we think, but I have no data, so its just speculation

Intimidated by women.

Unexpected/unsolicited female nudity is usually met with less criticism.

EVERY TIME a female teacher is on the news for kiddy diddling you can usually count on men in the comment section making jokes about wishing it was them.

Those teachers getting arrested/losing their jobs are stupid since I'm willing to bet those students would probably STILL want to have sex with them once they graduate/turn 18.