They got Jesse.

http://www.theroot.com/don-t-let-the-smile-fool-you-i-m-cringing-on-the-insid-1819987586


And John Singleton, who isn't that old but the behavior described in the story is very much old black man.

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/11/john-singleton-accused-sexual-harassment-danielle-young-1201894751/


Not condoning either of their behavior but it very much sounds like moves out of the old black man playbook.

My dad was a gentleman and I don't think he crossed a lot of lines but there are plenty of things that he did that don't fly with the younger crowd (e.g., calling women "sweetheart") that I wouldn't try today.

Not a major loss. We got to accept the world is different. But you are going to have to drag alot of old black men into this new world.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

in the current discussions about sexual harassment.

b/c you're right - we write that stuff off as old man shit (but so do 'they' - ask GHW Bush) but it's creep life and rape culture, in reality.

fuck you.

>it's creep life and rape, culture, in reality.

I had a secretary at my old job who hugged everyone and called everyone "sweetheart". One of the young white female lawyers was offended by being called sweetheart and reported the older black woman and the older black woman was reprimanded and told never to call anyone sweetheart. I never seen that lady so angry.

Anyway, I am not comparing grabbing a woman's thigh with an older black woman calling someone "sweetheart" but I am comparing an older black man calling someone "sweetheart" and an older black woman calling someone "sweetheart".




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it's about the grabbing and the talking under that woman's clothes when she's just doing her job as a professional journalist.

fuck you.

Don't have my OKP Manual handy to confirm though.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

'sweetheart' and that's just like but not at all like Jesse and John being called out for touching a woman's thighs.

one of them is just a sign of the times. the other is sexual harassment. they have nothing to do w/each other.

but sure.

fuck you.

I was heading with this) which is:


Is it rape culture when old black women call people "sweetheart" or conversely is it benign when old black men call people "sweetheart"?

When you use the term "culture" that really draws in the totality of the elements as contributing to the mentality.



>'sweetheart' and that's just like but not at all like Jesse
>and John being called out for touching a woman's thighs.
>
>one of them is just a sign of the times. the other is sexual
>harassment. they have nothing to do w/each other.
>
>but sure.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

not like this.

you're trying to drag the discussion out in the woods.

i'm not going out there w/you.

fuck you.

I am just curious to hear how some of yall see it.




>not like this.
>
>you're trying to drag the discussion out in the woods.
>
>i'm not going out there w/you.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

good luck, baby.

fuck you.

and then I see 7 photos with you laughing, smiling with your arm around the guy you are accusing.

Just tell your story cause the photos don’t help our accusation.

Unless the photo shows something inappropriate it doesn’t do anything but invite skepticism.

I could definitely see these dudes hollering tho...

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not to pull this shit?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

But no woman should do that. I shouldn’t do that. It’s not my fault if a man wants to turn a professional environment into a playground of flirting, grabbing and sexual talk. I didn’t ask for the attention just by existing.

No one asks for the attention by just being themselves.


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Its a her, she, we piece meant to engage people with similar experiences.
It's not even about the skeevy men, it's more a reclamation of her right to autonomy than an indictment.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

But just curious, who in your mind is this essays intended audience?


>But no woman should do that. I shouldn’t do that. It’s
>not my fault if a man wants to turn a professional environment
>into a playground of flirting, grabbing and sexual talk. I
>didn’t ask for the attention just by existing.
>
>No one asks for the attention by just being themselves.
>
>
>-------------
>
>Its a her, she, we piece meant to engage people with similar
>experiences.
>It's not even about the skeevy men, it's more a reclamation of
>her right to autonomy than an indictment.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Its
a
her,
she,
we
piece
meant
to engage people with similar experiences.


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You even copied that in your reply.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

to engage people with similar experiences.

Definition of people

plural people
1 plural :human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest
2 plural :human beings, persons —often used in compounds instead of persons salespeople —often used attributively people skills
3 plural :the members of a family or kinship
4 plural :the mass of a community as distinguished from a special class disputes between the people and the nobles —often used by Communists to distinguish Communists from other people
5 plural peoples :a body of persons that are united by a common culture, tradition, or sense of kinship, that typically have common language, institutions, and beliefs, and that often constitute a politically organized group
6 :lower animals usually of a specified kind or situation
7 :the body of enfranchised citizens of a state

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

and I'm not doubting her story just saying I'm not a fan when someone presents a photo with them smiling and hugged up and tells folks to look at it to see the discomfort

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Walk me through the logic so I understand.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

we can all learn from these stories...

so why the hell wouldn't it be intended for everyone?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

With a word count limit and a limited audience.
It's not journalism. It's not news.
It's a victim's story on a platform.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

have picked up on it.

You don't put shit on The Root for privacy.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

It isn't even a post on Lipstick alley.

She is a journalist who published a story on a website geared towards men and women who are interested in African-American Interest stories. Millions visit the website.

The Root describes itself as an online magazine.

What does word counts have to do with anything?



>With a word count limit and a limited audience.
>It's not journalism. It's not news.
>It's a victim's story on a platform.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Byline by

Danielle Young

Writer/Producer @TheRoot & Host of #TheRootLive and #JudgeOfCharacters Telling stories in color. Dirty Chai Drinker. God over everything.


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Is the root a sexual harassment themed site? No
So the story is independent of usual content
Is there explored research past the article's writer? No
So the story is personal
Is there story tied a narrative with interviews and sources? No
So essay not journalism.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

Website.

There is absolutely nothing in the piece that signals that this story is just for women who have had similar experiences.

Why would you even assume that to be the case? Because of a word limit?

You have no basis for your position.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and going hard with it too

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Fucking sycophant fool.

fuck you.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

they always mad

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https://goo.gl/DL5HWk

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lol

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I'm bout to. She talking about not Jesse, he marched with MLK. Who do you think he learned it from?

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tbt.gif

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>and then I see 7 photos with you laughing, smiling with your
>arm around the guy you are accusing.

laughing and smiling IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WOMEN GENERALLY DO WHEN WE ARE FACED WITH AN UNCOMFORTABLE SEXUAL SITUATION

it's TEXTBOOK discomfort.

go look at that creepy fucking video of Ben Affleck and that journalist as he groped and tickled and propositioned her ON CAMERA WHILE SHE WAS WORKING

her discomfort is PALPABLE and shows in every giggle

i'm so happy for you that you've had the privilege to never experience this but i've been in that situation MANY FUCKING TIMES

so shut the fuck up about what you don't know.

d

>>and then I see 7 photos with you laughing, smiling with
>your
>>arm around the guy you are accusing.
>
>laughing and smiling IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WOMEN GENERALLY DO
>WHEN WE ARE FACED WITH AN UNCOMFORTABLE SEXUAL SITUATION
>
>it's TEXTBOOK discomfort.
>
>go look at that creepy fucking video of Ben Affleck and that
>journalist as he groped and tickled and propositioned her ON
>CAMERA WHILE SHE WAS WORKING
>
>her discomfort is PALPABLE and shows in every giggle
>
>i'm so happy for you that you've had the privilege to never
>experience this but i've been in that situation MANY FUCKING
>TIMES
>
>so shut the fuck up about what you don't know.
>
>d


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

fuck you.

the characterization that she was harassed in the tape.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/12/ben-affleck-groping-tv-host-did-nothing-wrong-anne-marie-losique-2004-interview/

I saw the tape and my first reaction is that I was watching two people who were fcuking, not someone being harassed. I wasn't certain that was the case, but her statement seems to back up that she was okay with it.

I know people often laugh when uncomfortable so I never would point to someone laughing as a sign that certain contact is welcomed.

On the other hand, I think it is hard to look at those pictures and conclude that she was clearly uncomfortable without her telling you that is the case.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

fuck you.

>I saw the tape and my first reaction is that I was watching
>two people who were fcuking, not someone being harassed. I
>wasn't certain that was the case, but her statement seems to
>back up that she was okay with it.

however, i think its important to acknowledge that sometimes we women feel pressured to say something was ok when it really wasn't because we don't want to get someone in trouble. i have no way to know if that's the case here, but i can't help but wonder, under the circumstances.

>On the other hand, I think it is hard to look at those
>pictures and conclude that she was clearly uncomfortable
>without her telling you that is the case.

that is true. but we weren't left with any reason to wonder; she stated it plainly

and in reference to what I said above, her original instagram post made it like she was ok with Singleton's comment when she really wasn't...again, that need to make everything ok for others..

d

awkwardness of someone arguing believe women when they say it was non-consensual and doubt women when they say it was consensual.


Of course, I understand why a woman might be in a position where feel compelled to say something consensual when it wasn't but this on its face really doesn't look like one of those cases.



>
>>I saw the tape and my first reaction is that I was watching
>>two people who were fcuking, not someone being harassed. I
>>wasn't certain that was the case, but her statement seems to
>>back up that she was okay with it.
>
>however, i think its important to acknowledge that sometimes
>we women feel pressured to say something was ok when it really
>wasn't because we don't want to get someone in trouble. i have
>no way to know if that's the case here, but i can't help but
>wonder, under the circumstances.
>
>>On the other hand, I think it is hard to look at those
>>pictures and conclude that she was clearly uncomfortable
>>without her telling you that is the case.
>
>that is true. but we weren't left with any reason to wonder;
>she stated it plainly
>
>and in reference to what I said above, her original instagram
>post made it like she was ok with Singleton's comment when she
>really wasn't...again, that need to make everything ok for
>others..
>
>d


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>awkwardness of someone arguing believe women when they say it
>was non-consensual and doubt women when they say it was
>consensual.

i'm definitely not arguing that we should doubt them when we say its consensual. not at all. I'm just letting you know that its a factor sometimes.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

Sexual situation

Not that I've ever been confused.

>laughing and smiling IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WOMEN GENERALLY DO WHEN WE ARE FACED WITH AN UNCOMFORTABLE SEXUAL SITUATION

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Im pretty sure ive told them here before. But man he is really loud and bold and gives no fucks.

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

>Im pretty sure ive told them here before. But man he is
>really loud and bold and gives no fucks.

seems like this shit is finally starting to get some traction

what I'm not sure about is how to atone for this

Outright rape, yes, you need to have your shit wrecked

But, uh....are things scaling? Do we have an agreed upon way to make things right?

Is the move to put everyone out of a job?



There doesnt seem to be a way for these men to make it right outside of shutting down their careers

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https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

Senior still has all his marbles, I think he might be less touchy feely going forward.


>seems like this shit is finally starting to get some
>traction
>
>what I'm not sure about is how to atone for this
>
>Outright rape, yes, you need to have your shit wrecked
>
>But, uh....are things scaling? Do we have an agreed upon way
>to make things right?
>
>Is the move to put everyone out of a job?
>
>
>
>There doesnt seem to be a way for these men to make it right
>outside of shutting down their careers


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Like, part of me imagines that a real heartfelt "sorry" wont be good enough for some folks

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niggas can't go back in time.

niggas can't change the past.

it's like comedians apologizing for f####t jokes in the 90's or 80's.

sure, but does that do anything for how they felt back in the 80's when you ran to the bank with them jokes?

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because you probably did by today's standards.

curious to see how this all resolves once the wave of accusations is over.

<--- Big Baller World Order

you saying anybody could accuse of you of harassment or everybody getting laid generally harasses their way into the draws*?

*by "today's" standards

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who didn't feel like they could come forward back then but they might feel more empowered now and so if that happens we should consider hearing them and handling the situation w/the sensitivity it deserves.

fuck you.

and use that photo as proof you were inappropriate.

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maybe w/o realizing it.

or maybe you weren't.

i don't see women having much incentive to accuse any of us who ain't got shit of being inappropriate back in the day. b/c the statute of limitations has expired on the criminal case, most likely. and they're not going to bother suing us in civil court b/c we ain't got shit.

what other motive could they have? a mad ex? coming w/that accusation? i mean...i guess? but if that happens and i need to defend myself i can handle that if it comes. but i don't see that coming. if it does i'll deal.

it's no reason to tout theories like the one coming from BKW or the idea that any old photo can be used to prove a lie.

fuck you.

hit it and quit it type of dude when I was in HS and early in college days...

but I would like to think no one would say I was inappropriate but that's not for ME to say. I would let them tell it cause it's about how they receive it.

I stand by my opinion on photos tho for these type of accusations. While I get using them to show the encounter I think it's a bad idea to say "see, see how uncomfortable I was even though I was smiling in the photo?"

I doubt that photo would work to your advantage in court... and I'm just talking the court of public opinion.

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so i wouldn't just dismiss that.

you can't relate but that doesn't mean it didn't happen or that others aren't swayed by those explanations of the photos.

we are all socialized to behave a certain way when we're photographed. pose. smile. don't ruin the moment. no matter what you're actually feeling just pose and smile and don't make a scene.

don't make a scene. <-- women get that socialization much tougher than we get it. we get it as kids (i recall being a ring bearer in a wedding when i was 5 years old and i wore a tux and it was hot that day in that church and outside and i had to stand and pose for SO MANY pix afterward and all i wanted to do was get the fuck out of that tux and that church but i was threatened w/in an inch of my life to NOT MAKE A SCENE and stand there and smile no matter what or else and in all the pix i'm smiling like i'm not being tormented and threatened and miserable). but it continues for women as they're told to smile in pix w/creepy old men who are touching them in their 'no zone'. and if they complain later it's 'just *insert old man*!' and their feelings are minimized. what matters more in that moment is the picture. they stood and smiled though some creepy dude was touching them out of the image (on the ass, the thighs, under the clothes, whatever). they smiled as they were taught.

anyway, i wouldn't just dismiss the words about the pix b/c lots of ppl out there don't dismiss them. we relate to them.

fuck you.

but you know... I think the words are much more powerful than asking folks to view the photos but I will stop saying it so I don't take away from the point being made

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

what is going on is women are coming forward w/stories of past abuses and harassments about which they kept silent not b/c the abuse and harassment didn't happen by some imagined standard but b/c back then they felt silenced and today they feel a wee bit more comfortable to speak up b/c it seems right now they're more likely to be believed. but as you have shown us not everyone believes these women even today.

i think it's important to make space for these folks to come forward and avoid statements like yours that tend to diminish the power of the stories we're hearing. sentiments like the one you expressed tend to have a silencing effect, i fear.

i also don't think the men who are being targeted by these stories need defense. they can handle these stories. they'll be fine. i also don't think there's much if any value in defending 'men' generally in these situations. or viewing this as some sort of GNDRWARZ! thing. b/c it need not be that. though it's tough to talk about w/o going there, i guess. but...i don't feel the need to get defensive when i hear these stories from women or from men (aka the Spacey stories). i don't jump to defend the targeted men or men generally.

i also don't want to discuss this (not w/the likes of you) but i'm going to keep posting about it as much as i want.

fuck you.