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"Jay Z had white creatives create sambo art in ‘The Story Of O.J.’..."


          

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Jay Z had all these white creatives create sambo art in ‘The Story Of O.J.’ video | The Jay Z review nobody will read
October 23, 2017 Eryka 1 Comment 4:44, black artists, gentrification, hip hop, Jay Z, representation, sambo art, the story of oj
…and none of y’all said a thing… K.



Nobody is going to read this because nobody cares about my opinions when it comes to their favorite rapper but y’all don’t ask reasonable questions when it comes to yall favorites anyway.

I mean, the internet usually goes into overdrive if Jay Z tweets or uploads new music and while we play his music and videos millions of times over and over, we collectively never question his creative process. After I heard The Story of O.J., I was nodding my head and couldn’t wait to see the production credits. I mean, after all, Shawn Carter wouldn’t employ a bunch of white artists to re-create sambo art, right?

Nigga.

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I don’t think white people should be creating sambo art unless they are being taught some valuable tools about how art and anti-blackness were used to not only humiliate and embarrass black people but also used as marketing tools in media. But leave it to Jay Z to use his platform to not just hire a majority all-white team of artists who have no idea what the fuck sambo art is, but to use it as a platform to talk to niggas like he has all the keys to the game. What kind of jig is this?

Maybe Jay Z is all the niggas he described in the video?


Sambo art shouldn’t be created by white people in 2017
Don’t laugh, but think about it.

Light nigga, dark nigga, faux nigga, real nigga
Rich nigga, poor nigga, house nigga, field nigga
Still nigga, still nigga

Maybe it’s a reminder to himself?

House nigga, don’t fuck with me
I’m a field nigga with shined cutlery

Then he raps about passing the opportunity to buy property in Dumbo, Brooklyn which he reflects is now triple the worth he could have gotten it for previously. Field niggas mad they couldn’t make a profit off of gentrification? Cool story, bro.

Look, this isn’t a reach I’m putting together just for a few hits from people that will never read my shit again, but remember that time N.O.R.E. said Jay Z sounded “super white“? I’m not saying his perspective is right, but Jay Z gives the impression that sometimes he puts on his ‘real nigga’ costume in front of white people – of course, this is my limited ass perception but that’an all I got. Why give the jobs to white dudes that have no idea what sambo art means to black Americans? It just seems weird to me.

I had to Google some of the artists listed in the video to see if I was missing something. Maybe they were notable artists I’ve never heard of. Perhaps I’m the one out of the loop and my broke ass just isn’t hip as I think I am to the art scene. I searched a few and the ones I found had small social media followings so they weren’t hired because of their “influence”, it just really seems like a peculiar collaboration.

But what if Jay Z did it for some black, egotistical, “Cash me outside”, rich shit I don’t understand?

I thought about that, too. I mean what if I were rich and I wanted to create some super black visuals. If I hired an entirely white team that had no idea of how mainstream media exploited blackness as a running, cultural joke what would I be achieving? Power play? Is this one of those classics, ‘Fuck you, pay me’, excerpts from the old Hova? I don’t know, maybe one of yall can explain it to me. Explain it to me like a toddler. Maybe I won’t find an answer because Jay Z fans just scream he’s the greatest and leave it at that.

For those that read this, what do y’all think? Should Jay Z be hiring white creatives to depict sambo art or does it matter? I mean, he’s talking to niggas, about niggas, visually depicting niggas but nigggas can’t actually create the visual story?

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ok
Oct 23rd 2017
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Oct 23rd 2017
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^
Oct 23rd 2017
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You need the ellipsis for the full effect
Oct 23rd 2017
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This reminds me of another post
Oct 23rd 2017
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LOL
Oct 23rd 2017
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Literally thinking it's time to update that.
Oct 23rd 2017
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White creatives are subject matter experts on sambo art though.
Oct 23rd 2017
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lmfao
Oct 23rd 2017
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You don't call a plumber to replace your car's starter.
Oct 23rd 2017
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lol. damn.
Oct 23rd 2017
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ALL BLACK EVERYTH..... wait.
Oct 23rd 2017
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that is some bullshit Jay would do; he’s strictly a self promoter
Oct 23rd 2017
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am I supposed to be outraged?
Oct 23rd 2017
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Shit. I feel some type a way that her husband was white
Oct 23rd 2017
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      bingo
Oct 23rd 2017
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      ^ this
Oct 23rd 2017
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           I wonder how much shine she gets if her husband was Black
Oct 24th 2017
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White people also worked on Bamboozled
Oct 23rd 2017
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not exclusively.
Oct 23rd 2017
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      How many people does it take to make an animated music video
Oct 23rd 2017
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           should've been some Black input. point blank.
Oct 23rd 2017
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                Sure there was. The guy that cut the check.
Oct 23rd 2017
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                     https://media.giphy.com/media/BlVVi6LGpZZ7O/source.gif
Oct 24th 2017
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yall are so pressed to defend your fav rappers
Oct 23rd 2017
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interesting take...mind expanding it a bit?
Oct 23rd 2017
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The lyrics are unabashedly republican
Oct 23rd 2017
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      Which has what to do with who made his music video?
Oct 23rd 2017
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      im answering a question about the music from the music video.
Oct 23rd 2017
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           The post was about the images / iconography of the video
Oct 23rd 2017
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                oh okay thank you for your reply
Oct 23rd 2017
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                     You're welcome.
Oct 23rd 2017
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      i thought of it more as "know what time it is"
Oct 23rd 2017
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      this guy said being the best rapper is being the tallest midget
Oct 23rd 2017
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      RE: & boom goes the fucking dynam*te
Oct 23rd 2017
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      because we assess people different
Oct 23rd 2017
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           RE: because we assess people different
Oct 23rd 2017
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      Nah. The Song is a rejection of White is Right.
Oct 23rd 2017
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      Thank you.
Oct 23rd 2017
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      Oh, you're doing that thing where you put words in my mouth
Oct 24th 2017
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           I read, disagreed (it happens) with your key points...
Oct 24th 2017
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      Well damn.
Oct 24th 2017
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      ^^^ Came in with the hot fire!
Oct 28th 2017
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4:44 is Midlife crisis music and I'm glad no black people made sambo art
Oct 23rd 2017
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no.
Oct 23rd 2017
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      Sounds like a personal problem.
Oct 23rd 2017
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I don't rock with Jay-Z. His music is thought provoking only if...
Oct 23rd 2017
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      lol well damn go in
Oct 23rd 2017
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      Well damn.
Oct 24th 2017
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      why can't we be happy that one of our niggas made it out?
Oct 24th 2017
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           Cause we love to hate.
Oct 25th 2017
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           lets not conflate being a fan of Jay Z and appreciating his music.
Oct 25th 2017
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           yeah. as long as you keep in mind...
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                Ok.
Oct 25th 2017
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                Right... and I’m not the biggest Jay fan
Oct 25th 2017
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           obama sent troops and drones to several african countries
Oct 25th 2017
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Damn now he is a Black Republican
Oct 23rd 2017
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money i got comin' in
Oct 23rd 2017
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Can't turn my back on the hood, I got love for them
Oct 23rd 2017
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      haha
Oct 23rd 2017
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dope dealers kinda are Repubs to me anyway
Oct 23rd 2017
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      I can see that
Oct 23rd 2017
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white creatives created sambo art in ‘The First Place.’...
Oct 23rd 2017
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If you thought Jay was principled then I got some property in Dumbo 4u
Oct 23rd 2017
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Lol
Oct 23rd 2017
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Neal Brennan Must Die!?
Oct 23rd 2017
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HAHAHAHA
Oct 23rd 2017
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time for a game of "where's shawn-do"?
Oct 23rd 2017
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As a person who wants to hire black all the time...it gets hard.
Oct 23rd 2017
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Come on, there are plenty of black illustrators and animators
Oct 23rd 2017
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Hahaha... no
Oct 23rd 2017
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Narrowing your employee search to one group of people
Oct 24th 2017
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Does this mean I have to hire a black maid and a black butler?
Oct 23rd 2017
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Do you really not see the difference?
Oct 24th 2017
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I do.. and I agree Jay dropped the ball on this one
Oct 24th 2017
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Your friend is a moron and likely cant afford them
Oct 24th 2017
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      stop shitting on my friends dreams
Oct 24th 2017
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I know the lady who wrote the article and
Oct 24th 2017
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She speakings facts or not?
Oct 24th 2017
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GOTCHA!!
Oct 24th 2017
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it's like folk are intentionally not getting the song
Oct 24th 2017
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Jay opened the door for this criticism
Oct 24th 2017
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      I can dig it...
Oct 24th 2017
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           he literally tells us to be more like white people in the song
Oct 24th 2017
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                ehh, Black folk spend Billions bruh
Oct 24th 2017
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Listened to "OJ" for the first time, and shit is just next-level stuntin...
Oct 24th 2017
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ole vegan at the BBQ ass nigga
Oct 24th 2017
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^^Tao bout, I don't even own a TV.
Oct 24th 2017
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      Rap music? Never heard of it
Oct 25th 2017
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           I only listen to Jazz on reel to reel.
Oct 25th 2017
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Why do people think black owned businesses mean all black employees?
Oct 24th 2017
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c'mon now, don't even try and put a trivialized spin on what's REALLY
Oct 24th 2017
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Lol
Oct 24th 2017
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is that not what you think?
Oct 24th 2017
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      really, ma? Is that really whatchu gathered from what I said?
Oct 24th 2017
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           yes.
Oct 24th 2017
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                how does making the argument that Jay should've had at least SOME if
Oct 24th 2017
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                     yeah...thats really no different that what Heinz stated...
Oct 24th 2017
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                          Huh? What in the fuck are we talking bout here? You still missing my
Oct 24th 2017
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                          So tell me, what was the song/ video about?
Oct 24th 2017
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                               RE: So tell me, what was the song/ video about?
Oct 24th 2017
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                                    While I agree with your interpretation of the song
Oct 25th 2017
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                                         all we see is the end result...
Oct 25th 2017
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                                              True, we have no idea if he tried and another company
Oct 25th 2017
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who do nonblack people think their input matters?
Oct 25th 2017
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      Lmao
Oct 25th 2017
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      Oh..that non argument argument.
Oct 26th 2017
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      Exactly!
Oct 28th 2017
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OJ is more Hood than Jay Z will ever be
Oct 27th 2017
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yall think It Takes A Million was DIY by only P.E.? ..lol
Oct 28th 2017
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Y'all know how Jay gets down
Oct 28th 2017
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1. "ok"
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58. "You need the ellipsis for the full effect"
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But damn if that hasn't been getting quoted mad times since this came out.

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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13202002&mesg_id=13202002&page=4

  

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4. "White creatives are subject matter experts on sambo art though. "
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some of us might not recognize the fight

  

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10. "ALL BLACK EVERYTH..... wait. "
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11. "that is some bullshit Jay would do; he’s strictly a self promoter "
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Crazy he paid white artists for that instead of some black folk

  

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13. "am I supposed to be outraged?"
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Jeff Koons
Sol LeWitt
Tony Kragg

are artists who are known for their visionary sculptures. They are prolific individuals and yet, they have, what? all of 5% involvement in the actual implantation of their visions.

I guess I kind of maybe get why people would feel some kind of way

but I think about the idea that the artifact will have a longer lasting impression more so than getting into the weeds of who did what.

I'm also asking, why now? Of all things to be upset with regards to white involvement in black art why is this suddenly the line in the sand?

Would we be feeling the same way if it was revealed Kara Walker had white interns helping her make her art?



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18. "Shit. I feel some type a way that her husband was white"
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I’m the wrong person to ask this shit tho... lol

and why now?
A better question is... Why not now?



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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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>Shit. I feel some type a way that her husband was white

  

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61. "I wonder how much shine she gets if her husband was Black"
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14. "White people also worked on Bamboozled"
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17. "not exclusively."
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24. "How many people does it take to make an animated music video"
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Vs a box office film. You reaching.

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33. "should've been some Black input. point blank."
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51. "Sure there was. The guy that cut the check. "
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15. "yall are so pressed to defend your fav rappers "
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jay is real life bulletproof to yall


the story of oj was already a self loathing negro anthem, this just iced the cake.

you're just so happy to see a black man be rich that you dont even care if his politics are substantial.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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16. "interesting take...mind expanding it a bit?"
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>the story of oj was already a self loathing negro anthem...

I've not heard this perspective, please explain

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20. "The lyrics are unabashedly republican "
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The usage of "nigga" to in a way "humble" black people with money back into their place. "youre still a nigga"

jay z's belief that black people trusting in capitalism is the way too freedom is a rather childish way of thinking.

him showing regret over not being an active participant in gentrifying black neighborhoods.

its obvious jay prioritizes his wealth over his blackness but is eager to throw black people under the bus to prop himself up.

his empire was built on drug money with a trail of black peoples blood behind it. he really doesnt have a moral leg to stand on. for every successful jay theres thousands of black men who did not make it out of their hood.

the model minority trope which weaponizes the success of jewish people against black people as if they aren't beneficiaries of white privilege

he only alludes to revolutionary figures to add to his brand. His politics is pure capitalism while name dropping black communist leaders.


"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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23. "Which has what to do with who made his music video?"
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There's a 4:44 post somewhere. This is about a music video.

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27. "im answering a question about the music from the music video."
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jay z preaches black wealth yet is somehow incapable of employing black people (remember tidal?). he lives in a constant state of cognitive dissonance.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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31. "The post was about the images / iconography of the video "
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You posted about the song content and made it about us typing folks.
Do better.

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32. "oh okay thank you for your reply "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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34. "You're welcome. "
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26. "i thought of it more as "know what time it is""
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as a commentary on "new black" people and ways of thinking
as in retaining your blackness, acknowledge it's existence and know that you are black - "O.J. like, "I'm not black, I'm O.J."
Okay"


>The usage of "nigga" to in a way "humble" black people with
>money back into their place. "youre still a nigga"
>
>jay z's belief that black people trusting in capitalism is the
>way too freedom is a rather childish way of thinking.
>
>him showing regret over not being an active participant in
>gentrifying black neighborhoods.
>
>its obvious jay prioritizes his wealth over his blackness but
>is eager to throw black people under the bus to prop himself
>up.
>
>his empire was built on drug money with a trail of black
>peoples blood behind it. he really doesnt have a moral leg to
>stand on. for every successful jay theres thousands of black
>men who did not make it out of their hood.
>
>the model minority trope which weaponizes the success of
>jewish people against black people as if they aren't
>beneficiaries of white privilege
>
>he only alludes to revolutionary figures to add to his brand.
>His politics is pure capitalism while name dropping black
>communist leaders.
>
>
>

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35. "this guy said being the best rapper is being the tallest midget"
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theres an underlying disdain for black people im his music that adds layers to "still nigga"

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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36. "RE: & boom goes the fucking dynam*te"
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>The usage of "nigga" to in a way "humble" black people with
>money back into their place. "youre still a nigga"
>
>jay z's belief that black people trusting in capitalism is the
>way too freedom is a rather childish way of thinking.
>
>him showing regret over not being an active participant in
>gentrifying black neighborhoods.
>
>its obvious jay prioritizes his wealth over his blackness but
>is eager to throw black people under the bus to prop himself
>up.
>
>his empire was built on drug money with a trail of black
>peoples blood behind it. he really doesnt have a moral leg to
>stand on. for every successful jay theres thousands of black
>men who did not make it out of their hood.
>
>the model minority trope which weaponizes the success of
>jewish people against black people as if they aren't
>beneficiaries of white privilege
>
>he only alludes to revolutionary figures to add to his brand.
>His politics is pure capitalism while name dropping black
>communist leaders.


how do folks not see this shit as plain as day?

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41. "because we assess people different"
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like. how folks said lauryn hill was crazy even after she publicly addressed it on her unplugged album.

It used to be cool to be like, "but you don't hear me tho".

I'm more curious as how someone can watch interviews of a person (if you did) and still reach the same conclusion. They're crazy and you're not...that's pure hater sh*t, nigga shit...


  

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47. "RE: because we assess people different"
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>like. how folks said lauryn hill was crazy even after she
>publicly addressed it on her unplugged album.
>
>It used to be cool to be like, "but you don't hear me tho".
>
>I'm more curious as how someone can watch interviews of a
>person (if you did) and still reach the same conclusion.
>They're crazy and you're not...that's pure hater sh*t, nigga
>shit...


no I didn't watch whatever (probably half-assed) interview you're referring to but simply put, that video/ song was s'posed to be a kitchen-table-convo

how you letting the neighbors chime in?

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48. "Nah. The Song is a rejection of White is Right. "
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It's the story of OJ. OJ thought that he had transcended Blackness. He ain't Black, he's OJ. OK.

The Nigga in the chorus is one of the oldest black jokes old heads tell each other. What do you call a black medical doctor? N word.

The joke isn't looking down on black people. The joke is no matter how high you rise, White Folks are still going to see a n word. (I didn't really need to explain that to you did I?)

I've always read this as a rejection of the shit Kanye is on.

Anyway it isn't a song praising Gentrification. Gentrification is rich white people coming in and displacing black people. What's being advocated in this song is we stop spending money on dumb shit and use that money to own in our own community.

Man you give White People and Republicans too much credit if you give them ownership of the idea the of self-reliance, entrepreneurship and keeping the wealth in our own community.

I guess Garvey and Malcolm X and Booker T Washington were republicans huh?

I ain't saying that Jay is the next Malcolm, he managed to impress alot of people with some pretty basic concepts. But let's not act like there isn't a long history of these sort of ideas within the black community.





>The usage of "nigga" to in a way "humble" black people with
>money back into their place. "youre still a nigga"
>
>jay z's belief that black people trusting in capitalism is the
>way too freedom is a rather childish way of thinking.
>
>him showing regret over not being an active participant in
>gentrifying black neighborhoods.
>
>its obvious jay prioritizes his wealth over his blackness but
>is eager to throw black people under the bus to prop himself
>up.
>
>his empire was built on drug money with a trail of black
>peoples blood behind it. he really doesnt have a moral leg to
>stand on. for every successful jay theres thousands of black
>men who did not make it out of their hood.
>
>the model minority trope which weaponizes the success of
>jewish people against black people as if they aren't
>beneficiaries of white privilege
>
>he only alludes to revolutionary figures to add to his brand.
>His politics is pure capitalism while name dropping black
>communist leaders.
>
>
>


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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57. "Thank you. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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69. "Oh, you're doing that thing where you put words in my mouth "
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while evading my key points.


Reread my initial post until it registers and come back later. Bless.

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74. "I read, disagreed (it happens) with your key points..."
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and explained why through my interpretation of the song.

Whereas your response is empty on substance and full of snark.

And I think most people who read the exchange will see it like that so I'm good.




>while evading my key points.
>
>
>Reread my initial post until it registers and come back later.
>Bless.


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89. "Well damn."
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It can't be said any better than that.

fuck you.

  

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110. "^^^ Came in with the hot fire!"
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21. "4:44 is Midlife crisis music and I'm glad no black people made sambo art"
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You good ?

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28. "no. "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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30. "Sounds like a personal problem. "
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25. "I don't rock with Jay-Z. His music is thought provoking only if..."
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...one has never had any thoughts about a particular subject before. "Deep" for folks that regularly listen to top40 songs about selling drugs and shooting folks.

  

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29. "lol well damn go in"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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90. "Well damn."
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fuck you.

  

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92. "why can't we be happy that one of our niggas made it out?"
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most don't make it and definitely don't make it to his level. like, seeing a black man become president...granted the narrative are different but, both are rare.

  

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95. "Cause we love to hate. "
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Niggas take pride in hating on Black success and Black popularity.

Makes me feel like they are above it all or not following the pack. I used to do it with Biggie and the shiny suit phase.

“Stop playing that popular music and put on some back pack shit no one ever heard of so we can bob our heads” what I shoulda been doing is getting on that dance floor and having fun and appreciating the formula used to make hit records.

He said it best. “They made us hate ourselves and love their wealth”

We hold our own people to the highest standard, one that’s impossible to achieve because it makes us sleep better at night.


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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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97. "lets not conflate being a fan of Jay Z and appreciating his music."
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Sure we can be happy Jay 'made it' but that doesn't address flip's critique of Jay's music.

fuck you.

  

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98. "yeah. as long as you keep in mind..."
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it may not be about his music; yet, the man...his growth. for those of us whom:

walked those streets
hustled on the corner
pushed weight
lived in the neighborhoods
didn't make it to college
come from broken homes
weren't the smartest in school...if we went
teenage mothers...fathers

we love him for doing what we couldn't...

real, recognize real!

so before you come for me Sowhat, know that Jay means to me what Prince means to you...



  

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103. "Ok."
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I understand. I can appreciate the triumph in Jay's personal story as you've told it. Yet I still see what flipnile is saying about Jay's music and I tend to agree.

For the record, I dig several of Jay's singles from back when his music dominated the streets/airwaves almost every summer. I saw that On the Run show with Yonce and though I already knew the man has hits in his back catalog it was great to have him perform them one after the other (in between Yonce's set and sometimes with her). It made me wish I'd been to one of his shows previously.

fuck you.

  

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104. "Right... and I’m not the biggest Jay fan"
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but I appreciate that he finally put out something that I could appreciate. I liked his hits too but the lyrics on this last album were on point.

I know the artsy smarty niggas already know everything so this is meh to them but its not about them.

Also realize Flipnile doesn’t like spades. That nigga doesn’t like anything besides his motorbike and computer..lol.



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99. "obama sent troops and drones to several african countries "
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Im good on symbolic victories for black people if the token successful black man is just as grimy as our oppressors.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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37. "Damn now he is a Black Republican"
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So much for practice what you preach.

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38. "money i got comin' in"
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43. "Can't turn my back on the hood, I got love for them"
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unless it's comes to hiring white artist.

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46. "haha"
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39. "dope dealers kinda are Repubs to me anyway"
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IG: amadu_me

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44. "I can see that"
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n/m

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40. "white creatives created sambo art in ‘The First Place.’..."
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I get it, but my legs are tired from dancing to all the jigs running right now.

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42. "If you thought Jay was principled then I got some property in Dumbo 4u"
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and the brooklyn bridge to go with it

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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53. "Lol"
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45. "Neal Brennan Must Die!?"
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49. "time for a game of "where's shawn-do"?"
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i expected this to resurface after 4:44 dropped

but the bar is so low at this point that ppl were just amazed at remembering what it sounds like when a rapper isnt mumbling

and in their feels abt his 'heartfelt' apology ("i cheated. that was wrong." #deep)


as for this and the video artists, i think its just easier(lazy) to use the 1st available

instead of doing the work to seek out black artists/illustrators/staff specifically



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52. "As a person who wants to hire black all the time...it gets hard. "
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Sometimes you can't find a black person to do the very specific thing you want done...and you have a relationship or a white person right there in front of you who is an expert.

I mean I would see hypocripsy if the song was "all black everything" themed. I just don't see it here.



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54. "Come on, there are plenty of black illustrators and animators "
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Shawn is just a certain way with this shit

  

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55. "Hahaha... no"
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Only angle I can see is if Jay gets a kick out of telling white folk what to do

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78. "Narrowing your employee search to one group of people"
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narrows your search for the best person to make your business thrive. The more companies run by more minorities is the goal. Who they employ means nothing to me just as long as the money made is going to the owners pockets. THATS how we as minorities keep being CEOs of big companies.






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56. "Does this mean I have to hire a black maid and a black butler?"
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or nah?

Asking for a friend

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64. "Do you really not see the difference?"
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>or nah?
>
>Asking for a friend

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68. "I do.. and I agree Jay dropped the ball on this one"
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but I still wonder about shit like that if I ever get fat pockets.

Should I hire Black help or boss some white folk around?

I don't trust em so yeah.. I was bullshitting.

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70. "Your friend is a moron and likely cant afford them"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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75. "stop shitting on my friends dreams"
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59. "I know the lady who wrote the article and"
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well she really really really dont like Jay-Z
I can't take it seriously

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71. "She speakings facts or not? "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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60. "GOTCHA!!"
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White people win again!

(Where's my check??)

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62. "it's like folk are intentionally not getting the song"
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is it the word nigga or do y'all just not like Jay?



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63. "Jay opened the door for this criticism"
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when he said we not supporting Black business.

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66. "I can dig it... "
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I have no problem with the anger over using white illustrators...

but the actual song? Not sure how people don't see it as anti white.

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72. "he literally tells us to be more like white people in the song "
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WHY CANT YOU SPEND MONEY LIKE JEWS

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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73. "ehh, Black folk spend Billions bruh"
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but we aren't the best at circulating our dollars.

I have no problem with that line.





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65. "Listened to "OJ" for the first time, and shit is just next-level stuntin..."
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Just watched the video and heard the song for the first time last ngiht (yes, really). lol @ folks thinking this shit is "deep" or dropping any sorts of jewels.

A whole song about investing your money in property instead of rims, with the ever-present drug references thrown in. On some, "y'all don't invest like me!" In blackface, with "nigga" thrown in (so them ignant niggas hear him). Even took time to shade other rappers' pics on Instagram.

I guess we're in a race to the bottom in terms of what's "deep" nowadays.

  

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67. "ole vegan at the BBQ ass nigga"
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you still cool but damn bro..

we get it.

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88. "^^Tao bout, I don't even own a TV. "
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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94. "Rap music? Never heard of it"
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105. "I only listen to Jazz on reel to reel. "
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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77. "Why do people think black owned businesses mean all black employees?"
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79. "c'mon now, don't even try and put a trivialized spin on what's REALLY"
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being talked about here.

no one's falling for that shit, dude.

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80. "Lol"
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81. "is that not what you think?"
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82. "really, ma? Is that really whatchu gathered from what I said?"
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83. "yes. "
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I welcome the correction.

  

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84. "how does making the argument that Jay should've had at least SOME if"
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not MOST of the visuals be created/ directed by Black folks, ESPECIALLY considering that the song is (not to mention a poor attempt at) speaking on the bedevilments of Black self-hate and disenfranchisement, akin to saying what Heinz claimed the article/ OP/ I'm (and others are) tryna say?

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85. "yeah...thats really no different that what Heinz stated..."
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you're trying to quantify his blackness and because of that you've misinterpreted the song.

so while all white people may have helped Jay's still a nigga

  

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86. "Huh? What in the fuck are we talking bout here? You still missing my"
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point.

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87. "So tell me, what was the song/ video about?"
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91. "RE: So tell me, what was the song/ video about?"
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no matter how far you think you've come...you''ll still be seen as a nigga. Our disconnect is your belief that we only speak on black shit with black people...or some of us need to be in the room.

he specifically mentions in his interview about the song, how some of us get to a point when we think we're above being black. With this in mind, I don't think your point is a reasonable one because

- someone who is separated from culture wouldn't make that kind of song

- you haven't watched the interview

  

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93. "While I agree with your interpretation of the song"
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Somnus and others are talking about the rest of the album. Jay speaks about buying black and shaming fans for not supporting black products but then he goes out and gets white illustrators to draw sambo Jay? That’s side eye worthy.

and folks who talk shit about Tidal developers overseas being all white are dumb as fuck. You really think Jay is going to buy a steaming company and replace those guys with niggas from Brooklyn?

No one is wrong when you step back and see what folks are actually talking about.

Well, the only people wrong are those who can’t see the message in the song but I those folks never liked Jay and are intentionally missing the point.

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96. "all we see is the end result..."
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like. we don't know who he sought out. Perhaps, they were the people who capture what he was trying to say better. Should he give that up for 'blackness"?

when you start your business watch the expectation our people will have of you. They will critique you the hardness. I see it daily in mine.

lastly, I still don't think you can make this kind of album and be viewed as hypocritical. Something doesn't add up with the listener...



  

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101. "True, we have no idea if he tried and another company "
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couldn’t deliver.

I will give you that. I also agree about how people view Black businesses.

When I freelance it’s criminal how people want a logo, website, posters, social media and want it done for free 99.

Same folks have no problem paying top dollar for all that other shit tho.

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100. "who do nonblack people think their input matters?"
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i blame jay z.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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102. "Lmao"
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106. "Oh..that non argument argument."
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Let me search any subject you have ever spoken about on this board that you don't directly participate in and ask you why do you have any input on it.....

When people have no more points that write that exact reply. *shrugs*

LOL @ your handle...you are so woke. Aren't you late for your spoken word event? LMAO fucking loser.

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108. "Exactly!"
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And this clown BEEN on that shit for years on these boards.

Its not just euros that get too comfy in Black culture, its ALOT of muhfukkaz.

https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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107. "OJ is more Hood than Jay Z will ever be"
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Lay Z stays tap dancing and shucking and jiving. Juice played that role on tv and made a living at it and never changed, Lay Z though wants to have his cake,utensils,paper towel and the rights. all backfires.

OJ SImpson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jay Z

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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109. "yall think It Takes A Million was DIY by only P.E.? ..lol"
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111. "Y'all know how Jay gets down"
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You saw what the Tidal staff looked like and wrote it off as an issue of geographic location. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
Now the animators for this video have the same problem. Two times a charm I guess?
Yall gon' learn there is no such thing as a "pro-black" venture capitalist.
That's like having a "pro-chicken" fox.

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