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"Harvey Weinstein's a huge dirtbag (SURPRISE!)"
Thu Oct-05-17 03:24 PM by Marauder21

  

          

Too long to swipe, but he's been harassing women for decades. Usually by scheduling meetings in his hotel rooms where he shows up naked and tries to get massages and having them watch him shower.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/harvey-weinstein-harassment-allegations.html?_r=0

He also gave us one of the more awkward and dumb apologies, where he quotes 4:44 and brings up his mom, the money he's given to USC and how he'll take down the NRA the way a normal human being would when a big story about them being a piece of shit comes out.

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I came of age in the 60’s and 70’s, when all the rules about behavior and workplaces were different. That was the culture then.

I have since learned it’s not an excuse, in the office - or out of it. To anyone.

I realized some time ago that I needed to be a better person and my interactions with the people I work with have changed.

I appreciate the way I’ve behaved with colleagues in the past has caused a lot of pain, and I sincerely apologize for it.

Though I’m trying to do better, I know I have a long way to go. That is my commitment. My journey now will be to learn about myself and conquer my demons. Over the last year I've asked Lisa Bloom to tutor me and she's put together a team of people. I've brought on therapists and I plan to take a leave of absence from my company and to deal with this issue head on. I so respect all women and regret what happened. I hope that my actions will speak louder than words and that one day we will all be able to earn their trust and sit down together with Lisa to learn more. Jay Z wrote in 4:44 "I'm not the man I thought I was and I better be that man for my children." The same is true for me. I want a second chance in the community but I know I've got work to do to earn it. I have goals that are now priorities. Trust me, this isn't an overnight process. I've been trying to do this for 10 years and this is a wake-up call. I cannot be more remorseful about the people I hurt and I plan to do right by all of them.

I am going to need a place to channel that anger so I've decided that I'm going to give the NRA my full attention. I hope Wayne LaPierre will enjoy his retirement party. I'm going to do it at the same place I had my Bar Mitzvah. I'm making a movie about our President, perhaps we can make it a joint retirement party. One year ago, I began organizing a $5 million foundation to give scholarships to women directors at USC. While this might seem coincidental, it has been in the works for a year. It will be named after my mom and I won't disappoint her.

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the statement had me dying
Oct 05th 2017
1
No, Harv did that*
Oct 05th 2017
2
wouldn't you?
Oct 05th 2017
13
      ugh. imagine having to literally ask for a job on you hands and knees
Oct 06th 2017
29
           I would imagine saying nah... I'm good
Oct 06th 2017
32
Sorry officer...I didn't know I couldn't do that (c) Chip via Chappelle
Oct 05th 2017
4
damn whats a "long road" when you've got that in your closet?
Oct 05th 2017
3
its a day to day struggle man
Oct 10th 2017
59
I appreciate the way I behaved...
Oct 05th 2017
5
Post other Jay-Z quotes he could have used below
Oct 05th 2017
6
AC broke/Bout to make a young girl watch me shower/on my 25th Hour
Oct 05th 2017
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when asked about the party scene & women
Oct 05th 2017
9
Get a couple of chicks, get 'em to try to do E
Oct 06th 2017
31
What the hell dude, you're rich
Oct 05th 2017
7
RE: What the hell dude, you're rich
Oct 06th 2017
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that's quite a statement. i thought you c/p 2 different articles togethe...
Oct 05th 2017
10
There's a link to the statement in the NYT article, too
Oct 05th 2017
11
I saw this morning. Went down the internet rabbit whole and found
Oct 05th 2017
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JLaw is the shining star of the harvey girls.
Oct 05th 2017
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welp, now we know who took the nutty chin photo
Oct 06th 2017
25
I guess Rose McGowan has been talking around him for a while
Oct 05th 2017
15
Buddy: I know who is at fault for this powerful man -- women.
Oct 05th 2017
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WHY MAKE IT A GENDER ISSUE (c) cenario
Oct 10th 2017
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OMG. he needed a team to help him edit that statement.
Oct 05th 2017
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Seriously, he hires an army of lawyers and has an army of publicists...
Oct 05th 2017
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You're saying he should've quoted Bodak Yellow instead?
Oct 05th 2017
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      well
Oct 05th 2017
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      you gon do what to who?
Oct 06th 2017
27
I've asked Lisa Bloom to tutor me
Oct 05th 2017
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and she's put together a team of people
Oct 05th 2017
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Dear Sweet Baby Jesus, don't let Kerry Washington's name come up...
Oct 05th 2017
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she prolly had Scandal rehearsals at his crib
Oct 06th 2017
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Or it's the reason they're beefing
Oct 06th 2017
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      im curious what percentage get a heads up so to speak
Oct 10th 2017
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lol i love how ppl are acting surprised
Oct 05th 2017
24
Most are surprised his response was terrible
Oct 06th 2017
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Literally no one is surprised.
Oct 06th 2017
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surprised it wasnt young boys maybe.
Oct 06th 2017
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      yeah...the industry gets dark.
Oct 11th 2017
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I have goals that are now priorities is a stupid sentence.
Oct 06th 2017
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I like when people think this is a Hollywood problem
Oct 06th 2017
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RE: I like when people think this is a Hollywood problem
Oct 06th 2017
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men in executive jobs. men in service jobs.
Oct 10th 2017
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      Where did I disagree with that?
Oct 11th 2017
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           i was building on your reply, player.
Oct 11th 2017
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preemptively hiring lisa bloom was a g move.
Oct 06th 2017
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Yeah, it's a terrible look for Bloom
Oct 06th 2017
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      moms took a shot at her
Oct 06th 2017
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      and i don't understand it.
Oct 10th 2017
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           The HR issue is relatively simple
Oct 10th 2017
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           Point was Harvey has worked in contemporary America office gigs
Oct 10th 2017
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                I hear you but my point (which I didn't really make granted) is
Oct 10th 2017
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                     probably.
Oct 10th 2017
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           got tunnel vision on doing the tv project most likely
Oct 10th 2017
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           Yeah, there's no amount of counseling is going to matter
Oct 10th 2017
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           now she's apparently claiming she didn't know
Oct 10th 2017
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If we find out these women are racist, does that make it ok?
Oct 06th 2017
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No it just means the 3 of you are stupid lol
Oct 06th 2017
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      Woosh
Oct 11th 2017
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Huge New Yorker piece
Oct 10th 2017
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will he end up in court or nah?
Oct 10th 2017
51
Not exactly related but this tweet exchange is amazing.
Oct 10th 2017
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why is it not ok to be surprised by this kinda stuff?
Oct 10th 2017
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because in 2017 these things shouldnt be shocking
Oct 10th 2017
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      are we supposed to be okay w/it?
Oct 10th 2017
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      No just not surprised. I have a very low opinion of powerful people in e...
Oct 10th 2017
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           yes cynicism is an effective buffer until it gets tiring.
Oct 10th 2017
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           yep couple that with people desperate for that fame and fortune and the
Oct 10th 2017
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      the year doesn't matter.
Oct 10th 2017
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           its more shocking when it's Mr. Rogers or Cosby...
Oct 11th 2017
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                but that's not surprising
Oct 11th 2017
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Tough Question: How are we suppose to feel about Paltrow coming
Oct 10th 2017
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do we want to be an asshole or nah?
Oct 10th 2017
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Buddy just started the engine.
Oct 10th 2017
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doesnt seem like a tough question
Oct 10th 2017
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yeah they are all enablers. Of course we understand why they did it.
Oct 10th 2017
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Buddy: I know who is at fault for this powerful man -- women.
Oct 10th 2017
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are the women asking for it by dressing like sluts? (c) Donna Karan.
Oct 10th 2017
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Hold up...lets simplify this for a sec.
Oct 10th 2017
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we can do that.
Oct 10th 2017
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replace the above scenario with a young being raped or assaulted
Oct 10th 2017
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      buddy made it a gender issue, you just like lying.
Oct 10th 2017
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      How did he make it a gender issue?
Oct 10th 2017
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           I assume you can read.
Oct 10th 2017
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                not that interested bro. I just needed to kill some time to end the last...
Oct 10th 2017
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      *plays the Big Joker*
Oct 10th 2017
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when you don't have to use hypotheticals
Oct 10th 2017
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      lol is anyone claiming that Weinstein doesn't deserve the blame?
Oct 10th 2017
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           I pointed you and your buddy out long ago.
Oct 10th 2017
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                pointed me out? lol who is you?
Oct 10th 2017
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                     Why would you even bother to go back and forth with that dude.
Oct 10th 2017
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                          I had 30 mins to spare...needed a back and forth to finish the day
Oct 10th 2017
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You are a sad simple ugly little troll unworthy of a response.
Oct 10th 2017
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      *responds saying you're unworthy of a response*
Oct 10th 2017
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           RE: *responds saying you're unworthy of a response*
Oct 10th 2017
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i just realized HR never asked me why i didn't come forward.
Oct 10th 2017
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To be clear I am not talking about anyone in a subordinate position
Oct 10th 2017
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      *adds men after the fact to cover up his point*
Oct 10th 2017
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      Matt Damon and Brad Pitt were in my first post but keep trying you
Oct 10th 2017
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           you couldn't be more of a lying fuck if you tried.
Oct 10th 2017
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                Post #56 you slow witted unattractive troll, where I first brought up
Oct 10th 2017
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                     why bother?
Oct 10th 2017
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                     And I just told Cenario the same thing about feeding the Troll. LOL.
Oct 10th 2017
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                     because y'all are losers and what losers love is attention
Oct 10th 2017
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                     thanks for confirming you're lying
Oct 10th 2017
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      Vox is talkin bout it.
Oct 11th 2017
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           yuuup
Oct 11th 2017
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LMAO @ "THIS STOPS NOW!!!"
Oct 10th 2017
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the entire industry and the media around it protected dude
Oct 11th 2017
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Yall see Terry Crews twitter? Hollyweirdos even tried him.
Oct 10th 2017
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i don't think it matters...he's a man.
Oct 10th 2017
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look at this fucking loser here.
Oct 10th 2017
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My God this is not a Gendrwarz issue.
Oct 10th 2017
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      I agree it's not a gender wars issue
Oct 10th 2017
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           Cool.
Oct 11th 2017
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1 link.
Oct 10th 2017
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      Damn. That's what's up.
Oct 10th 2017
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      Good look
Oct 10th 2017
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      LAST YEAR!??!
Oct 10th 2017
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      right, dude was swollen and still got tried..
Oct 10th 2017
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           I feel like Dave Chappelle got stories.
Oct 10th 2017
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                Denzel, Sam Jackson, Morgan Freeman... I bet they got tons of them
Oct 11th 2017
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      Weird how all the people on Twitter who are SUPER concerned
Oct 11th 2017
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           because it seems wrong to turn the focus to the ONE DUDE
Oct 11th 2017
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                that's not it.
Oct 11th 2017
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i felt small.
Oct 10th 2017
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I wonder
Oct 10th 2017
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Certainly has the potential to be much worse
Oct 10th 2017
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Could be bigger because it implicates a lot of current Hollywood
Oct 10th 2017
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I bet Louis CK is sweating somewhere.
Oct 10th 2017
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All the talk around him, he's gotta be up next
Oct 12th 2017
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Well that's a given either way lol.
Oct 14th 2017
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wait what?
Oct 10th 2017
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      I meant.
Oct 10th 2017
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           There are rumours about him, actually.
Oct 11th 2017
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uhh, this will be much worse...
Oct 10th 2017
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HW wasn't planning to buy NBC, so no.
Oct 10th 2017
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this is almost exactly the same
Oct 11th 2017
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it SHOULD be worse. because it is. but hollywood will circle the wagons
Oct 11th 2017
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I think it might be too hot to even circle the wagons
Oct 11th 2017
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It's wild bc he actually bragged that he never had to "do Cosby stuff"
Oct 11th 2017
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no it won't because Bill Cosby is black...
Oct 11th 2017
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Ryan Coogler
Oct 10th 2017
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Very concise point.
Oct 14th 2017
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And yet Pitt was in Inglorious Basterds. Smh.
Oct 11th 2017
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Rose McGowan Call outs Ben Affleck Over Harvey Weinstein
Oct 11th 2017
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These people are all playing dumb
Oct 11th 2017
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Rose has been killing it on Twitter this week
Oct 11th 2017
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      She has nothing to lose
Oct 12th 2017
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LOL its old news Hollywood is ran by pedophiles and molestors
Oct 11th 2017
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true
Oct 11th 2017
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I can't be mad at em though. They would be doomed
Oct 11th 2017
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      I read a comment in NYT that said
Oct 11th 2017
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who also happen to vote and support the (D) like Weinstein himself.
Oct 14th 2017
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So...anyone notice they shuffled LA Reid outta the paint quietly?
Oct 11th 2017
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Clooney said he knows women sleep with producers to get parts
Oct 11th 2017
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      The same crowd that gave Roman Polanski a standing ovation.
Oct 11th 2017
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           Ben Affleck: GOTDAMMIT I TOLD HIM TO STOP DOING THAT!!!
Oct 11th 2017
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                yup people knew what was going on. Its disgusting.
Oct 11th 2017
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                     so to run in after the fact with this fake concern is hilarisad
Oct 11th 2017
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Harv out there with the 'I-I-I-I LOVE COMPANY FLOW' tape
Oct 11th 2017
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nice Linda Tripp reference
Oct 11th 2017
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Harvey's going to sex addiction rehab in Europe
Oct 11th 2017
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I doubt it.
Oct 11th 2017
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his only addiction is the power he had over nubile Hollywood pussy
Oct 11th 2017
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Yeah, he ain’t coming back. Lol
Oct 11th 2017
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NBC killed this story. (c) Ronan Farrow
Oct 11th 2017
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Ben Affleck disavowed Harvey Weinstein. Here's the real Ben Affleck
Oct 11th 2017
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What exactly do you see in this video?
Oct 11th 2017
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      Not sure about that video but that other video is damning
Oct 11th 2017
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      creepiness and sexual harassment
Oct 11th 2017
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Im surprised his company is getting a pass on all of this
Oct 11th 2017
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neither Miramax (sold in 1993) nor TWC (just fired him)
Oct 11th 2017
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good
Oct 11th 2017
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ppl are already asking you say? saw several articles on that issue
Oct 11th 2017
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      what i didn't do here is blame the women Harvey harassed/battered
Oct 11th 2017
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           Neither did I and you know it (but I doubt you will admit it....
Oct 11th 2017
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                i'm not sure if you meant this for me.
Oct 11th 2017
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                     I'm not playing devil's advocate, I am asking for myself
Oct 12th 2017
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                          enjoy the thorns, player.
Oct 12th 2017
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                               The horse is dead but one point of clarification.
Oct 12th 2017
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                                    awesome.
Oct 12th 2017
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                                    Shit that makes your soul burn slow.
Oct 13th 2017
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that's rose mcgowan's big push at this point
Oct 11th 2017
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The company knew and was giving him a pass
Oct 13th 2017
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Damn, he tried Cara Delevingne
Oct 11th 2017
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The routine is what's so disgusting to me
Oct 11th 2017
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      one of the big things you notice about stuff like this
Oct 11th 2017
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#ImAHoeToo
Oct 11th 2017
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How Men Like Harvey Weinstein Implicate Their Victims in Their Acts
Oct 11th 2017
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Twitter suspends Rosie’s account
Oct 12th 2017
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LOL. i hope it was a weird bot
Oct 12th 2017
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Twitter responds to criticism over blocking Rose McGowan
Oct 12th 2017
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Jay-Z trying to buy Weinstein Co.
Oct 12th 2017
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Just wondering, has Bill Crosby admitted to any of the sexual
Oct 12th 2017
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Nope.
Oct 12th 2017
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hmmmm, i'm just stunned that these dudes got away with that shit
Oct 12th 2017
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      Make no mistake...
Oct 12th 2017
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Bill has maintained his innocence
Oct 12th 2017
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      Hmmmm....
Oct 14th 2017
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           cause them niggas do.
Oct 14th 2017
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Here's a pretty good collection of evidence of prior knowledge:
Oct 14th 2017
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Has Lena spoken this fervent about police killing us etc
Oct 14th 2017
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Good point.
Oct 14th 2017
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      Yes they were fair and ridiculous.
Oct 14th 2017
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           Yah...i checked it out.
Oct 14th 2017
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Excellent post
Oct 14th 2017
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Lena gon' Dunham
Oct 14th 2017
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It's alot bigger than Lena Dunham.
Oct 14th 2017
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      I can barely pay attention to the reactions
Oct 14th 2017
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           Right.
Oct 15th 2017
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                They've been trying to push it all week
Oct 15th 2017
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not like this.
Oct 16th 2017
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      believe women's accounts of rape/harrassment until there's reason not to
Oct 16th 2017
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           Courtney never claimed she was abused by Harvey.
Oct 16th 2017
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fuck him and fuck everybody who bats for him
Oct 15th 2017
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Harvey Fierstein didn't do anything to anybody
Oct 15th 2017
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Yoooooo! Harvey went after Lupita? (SWIPE)
Oct 19th 2017
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and Tarantino admits he was complicit
Oct 20th 2017
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I'm so glad she came out with her experience
Oct 20th 2017
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      This story further confirms that she is such a class act. Royalty.
Oct 20th 2017
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      I heard that in Kendrick's voice..royalty royalty royalty! lol
Oct 20th 2017
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      b/c she said 'no', right?
Oct 20th 2017
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           but of course buddy went to an interpretation that shit on
Oct 24th 2017
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           You cats try waaay to hard to find the most fucked up interpretation
Oct 24th 2017
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                Cool.
Oct 24th 2017
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      yes we test boundaries. boundaries vary by person though.
Oct 20th 2017
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Memba when Harvey Weinstein was in that Barbie Cartoon?
Oct 24th 2017
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no, why would i remember that?
Oct 24th 2017
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haha right?
Oct 24th 2017
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*returns the 50 cal to its holster*
Oct 24th 2017
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See it worked though.
Oct 24th 2017
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      i'm gonna try this strategy
Oct 24th 2017
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           The question is can you put all those disclaimers and then be like
Oct 24th 2017
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                I don't give a damn about a disclaimer.
Oct 24th 2017
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                     I am curious where you think I used Devil's Advocate to hide
Oct 26th 2017
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                          scroll up.
Oct 26th 2017
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lololz
Oct 24th 2017
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      these dudes yo.. lol
Oct 24th 2017
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This nigga removed a tampon to perform unwanted oral sex on a lady
Oct 24th 2017
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For things like this to happen and be swept under the rug... something
Oct 24th 2017
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James Toback, a dude I've never heard of -- hundreds.
Oct 26th 2017
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the other day a man lawyer told a pregnant woman lawyer
Oct 26th 2017
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      whyyyyy would you think that was an ok thing to do
Oct 26th 2017
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1. "the statement had me dying"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Marauder21
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2. "No, Harv did that*"
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So hopefully yall won't have to go through that

*Tried to make Ashley Judd give him a naked massage

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13. "wouldn't you?"
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>*Tried to make Ashley Judd give him a naked massage


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29. "ugh. imagine having to literally ask for a job on you hands and knees"
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it's not cute or sexy....or funny

  

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32. "I would imagine saying nah... I'm good"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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4. "Sorry officer...I didn't know I couldn't do that (c) Chip via Chappelle "
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3. "damn whats a "long road" when you've got that in your closet?"
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I'm trying to do better but every now and then I might just slip up and answer the door naked when the girl scouts show up?

  

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59. "its a day to day struggle man"
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does he get a chip like in AA?

  

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5. "I appreciate the way I behaved... "
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The fuck kinda sentence is that?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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6. "Post other Jay-Z quotes he could have used below"
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8. "AC broke/Bout to make a young girl watch me shower/on my 25th Hour"
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9. "when asked about the party scene & women"
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I got this model chick that don’t cook or clean/But she dress her ass off and her walk is mean/Only thing wrong with ma she’s always on the scene/Goddamn she’s fine but she parties all the time

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31. "Get a couple of chicks, get 'em to try to do E"
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Hopefully they'll menage before I reach my garage

  

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7. "What the hell dude, you're rich"
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There's plenty of women you could have just PAID to have sex with you.

Damned talented ones.

You fucking up Harvey!

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39. "RE: What the hell dude, you're rich"
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Where’s the challenge in that?

In any case, these rich dudes think the reason hot women are into them, is just about them and their glowing personality. Their delusion makes them think ALL women want them. They think these women are just playing hard to get.

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10. "that's quite a statement. i thought you c/p 2 different articles togethe..."
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11. "There's a link to the statement in the NYT article, too"
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But the statement he gave was short enough (and crazy enough) to swipe.

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12. "I saw this morning. Went down the internet rabbit whole and found"
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he phrase "Harvey Girls".

http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/harveys-girls-the-wouldbe-ingenues-where-are-they-now-and-what-happened-then.php


Funny thing is someone like Blake Lively is a name I hear all the time and I have no clue what she has been in and why people are always talking about her. This kind of explains.

Got me also thinking that a lot of the times some of these scandals take so long to be exposed because there are many women who "profited" from it.

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14. "JLaw is the shining star of the harvey girls."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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25. "welp, now we know who took the nutty chin photo "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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15. "I guess Rose McGowan has been talking around him for a while"
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Insinuating that he was the one who raped her. She was going to go public but then *someone* leaked some nude pics of her online around the same time.

Dude's influence in Hollywood is serious, and way too many people were kept in line by it. After all, you rock the boat, you end up like Gretchen Mol or someone.

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22. "Buddy: I know who is at fault for this powerful man -- women."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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86. "WHY MAKE IT A GENDER ISSUE (c) cenario"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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16. "OMG. he needed a team to help him edit that statement."
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edit as in completely erase and start over.

wtf was that shit?

by his own words he's had at least 40 years to figure out how not to be a dick.

fuck him.

fuck you.

  

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19. "Seriously, he hires an army of lawyers and has an army of publicists..."
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...at his disposal, and he still puts THAT out?

If I was his newly-minted legal team, I'd consider quitting, if not for the huge fucking checks he's going to be paying me.

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20. "You're saying he should've quoted Bodak Yellow instead?"
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23. "well"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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27. "you gon do what to who? "
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That's like the only part of the song I know. Lol

fuck you.

  

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17. " I've asked Lisa Bloom to tutor me "
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18. "and she's put together a team of people"
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not robots, people. Just so it's clear.

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21. "Dear Sweet Baby Jesus, don't let Kerry Washington's name come up..."
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in this bullshit.

Im thinking no because they seemed to have been beefing

https://jezebel.com/5987882/how-kerry-washington-pissed-off-harvey-weinstein-with-a-dress

Also I am thinking the look in KW's eyes in this picture is "I can't wait to get away from this dirtbag"

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kerry+Washington+Harvey+Weinstein+Weinstein+B4cWR4EtUH0l.jpg

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28. "she prolly had Scandal rehearsals at his crib"
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That show got her looking like a hoe

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33. "Or it's the reason they're beefing"
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I think we can probably assume he's tried this with every woman he's had the chance to do so with.

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61. "im curious what percentage get a heads up so to speak"
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how many are completely caught off gaurd

surely it has to be one of those known/unknown things at this point

  

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24. "lol i love how ppl are acting surprised"
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isn't this just 'powerful hollyweirdo behaviour 101'?

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26. "Most are surprised his response was terrible "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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30. "Literally no one is surprised. "
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>isn't this just 'powerful hollyweirdo behaviour 101'?
>
>V.


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36. "surprised it wasnt young boys maybe."
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151. "yeah...the industry gets dark. "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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34. "I have goals that are now priorities is a stupid sentence."
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35. "I like when people think this is a Hollywood problem"
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and not a problem with any man in any sort of power LOL

When will people realize Hollywood is just a reflection of society. Its no difference other than the spotlight.

Anyways. Fuck him


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40. "RE: I like when people think this is a Hollywood problem"
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This^^

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46. "men in executive jobs. men in service jobs."
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men w/o jobs.

men in the clergy.

it's everywhere.

still: get him. no excuses by now. the behavior these women allege against him goes beyond the 'i was just trying to make her smile!' shit. and even that stuff is unacceptable in 2017. Harvey's behavior is reprehensible. that 'casting couch' shit is deplorable. it's happened for way way too long.

fuck you.

  

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122. "Where did I disagree with that?"
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My point is that the problem won't be fixed if we don't address the real problem instead of compartmentalizing these situations like this by painting it as a industry (or political, or sports athlete, hip hop etc) problem. Those industries are just people, people who are a reflection of the society we live in. We like to point fingers on a whole industry to make it seem that problem only lives there just so we can separate ourselves from it. I guess we do it to make ourselves feel better or safe from it but that shit lives everywhere from any man with a position of power who thinks they can get away with it.


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175. "i was building on your reply, player."
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i didn't disagree w/you.

fuck you.

  

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37. "preemptively hiring lisa bloom was a g move."
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so she wont represent any of the women.
surprised she accepted tho considering her image.

him producing a miniseries for her book makes her look even worse.

  

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38. "Yeah, it's a terrible look for Bloom"
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Can't even pretend this is about anything other than $$$ for her.

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42. "moms took a shot at her"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLfQr1bXcAM6ngK.jpg

  

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45. "and i don't understand it."
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like, how does a team re-educate a guy who is apparently a serial sexual harasser?

he's been at it for more than 30 years and didn't know it's wrong? he's been the head of at least 2 successful business enterprises raking in millions of dollars w/hundreds of employees over the years. i dunno how many HR managers. i dunno how many HR presentations made on the issue. he's signed off on 8 settlements.

how does he not know it's wrong by now?

if he's doing it how's it not just his choice? to be a dick?

so i don't get what a team will do - unless the team is going to fuck him up. if they're not laying hands on him i don't understand it.

'how many times do i have to tell you?'
'i can show you better than i can tell you'
'you know what?'

^ but i was raised by violent ppl and this is the point when the violence starts. it was most often preceded by one of those statements. it feels like Harvey is there now w/this issue.

a team? for what?

fuck you.

  

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47. "The HR issue is relatively simple"
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I've seen (not necessarily in my work) where companies make a straight cost benefit analysis with regards to problematic workers. Does this person generate more money then it cost to pay settlements? As soon as that analysis turns negative. They out.

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48. "Point was Harvey has worked in contemporary America office gigs"
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for WAY too long for the idea that he shouldn't be rapey with women at least while working to be a new thing. The "I came up in the 60s and 70s" defense has been bullshit since...well, it was always bullshit, wasn't it? Still...he knew better and thought the rules weren't for him and that he could keep paying his way out of these cases instead of not being a rapey creepy horrible motherfucker just because he could.

fuck you.

  

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52. "I hear you but my point (which I didn't really make granted) is"
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he knew the cost benefit analysis approach and felt he could get away with it as long as he was making tons of money for people (much more than the settlement amounts).


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53. "probably."
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and he thinks he can use some team to rehab him and keep it going.

that's that good male privilege right there. to not understand that he's toast and needs to just go retire on some island somewhere (w/Bill Cosby) and STFU.

you get away w/that kind of shit...until you don't. and then it's over.

they can take OJ w/them.

just go sit down and STFU.

fuck you.

  

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49. "got tunnel vision on doing the tv project most likely"
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but I dunno how bloom thought this would end, it's the most obvious outcome

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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50. "Yeah, there's no amount of counseling is going to matter"
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Because that doesn't work on someone who is above the rules, as Harvey was for so many years.

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121. "now she's apparently claiming she didn't know "
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which I mean...wtf, even if it's true that he lied to you, how do you not assume dude's lying about how bad it is

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/lisa-bloom-harvey-weinstein-rape-allegations-1202586346/

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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41. "If we find out these women are racist, does that make it ok?"
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That's what I learned this week.

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43. "No it just means the 3 of you are stupid lol "
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160. "Woosh"
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44. "Huge New Yorker piece"
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-aggressive-overtures-to-sexual-assault-harvey-weinsteins-accusers-tell-their-stories?mbid=social_twitter

Victims come out with their stories. There is some fairly disturbing audio of Harvey with a woman from 2015 that was recorded as part of an NYPD sting operation (who he later smeared in the press.)

At least three actresses have accused him of rape, too.

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51. "will he end up in court or nah? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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54. "Not exactly related but this tweet exchange is amazing. "
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https://twitter.com/xieish/status/916298916190179328


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55. "why is it not ok to be surprised by this kinda stuff?"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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57. "because in 2017 these things shouldnt be shocking"
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also i thought it was always one of those things that was known but nobody ever pressed the issue. like cosby.

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58. "are we supposed to be okay w/it?"
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should we accept fucked up things in the world and just shrug and move on or nah?

fuck you.

  

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75. "No just not surprised. I have a very low opinion of powerful people in e..."
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Between being neck deep in blind item rumors and the actual things confirmed to have happened, i don't think there's any level of scandal there that could elicit more than a "yep I figured that happened" out of me

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78. "yes cynicism is an effective buffer until it gets tiring."
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Use it while it works.

fuck you.

  

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79. "yep couple that with people desperate for that fame and fortune and the"
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powerful holding all the power over their careers, nothing surprises me.


I feel the same way about politicians. All the stuff we know they been involved in. I used to watch movies like 'this is mad extreme'. Now i'm like, i can def see this happening.

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113. "the year doesn't matter."
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there will always be folks who don't know, new victims, more stories. the hope is that this stuff would stop, but unfortunately, it won't.

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138. "its more shocking when it's Mr. Rogers or Cosby..."
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but when you have a dude who looks like an asshole and has been rumored to be an asshole and rapey his whole career I can't see how anyone would be surprised.

Now, what surprises me somewhat is all the folks coming out a day later like "yep, I been known about dude"

really? all these years and you never said anything? OK.

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152. "but that's not surprising"
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if you know his story. and I think the folks that do know this guy's history are only shocked by it finally getting out.

being surprised isn't something to condemn folks for since there will always folks that don't know. even folks in Hollywood.

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56. "Tough Question: How are we suppose to feel about Paltrow coming"
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forward NOW and not before about this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/gwyneth-paltrow-angelina-jolie-harvey-weinstein.html?_r=0

I get why she didn't at first. But by the time she became big dog Gwenyth Paltrow, should she had said something? Is she an enabler for embracing the role of the first lady of Miramax?

Is she comprable to Melania Trump?

Don't want to victim blame but we are talking about some powerful women like her and Angelina Jolie and Men (like Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, etc.)




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60. "do we want to be an asshole or nah?"
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if we don't care about assholery - then let's be brand new and act like if Paltrow or ___ came forward w/o support and out of nowhere that she wouldn't be possibly facing the end of her career. b/c what if she came forward and no one supported her? what next? if we don't care about whether we're jerks (b/c for real, Paltrow is kinda annoying, amirite? i mean, she's a skinny white woman who's rich as shit and seems to have it all so let's act like she's super human b/c she's rich and white) then we can just ignore how difficult it is for anyone who's been sexually harassed to come forward b/c maybe she's ashamed that it happened and ashamed that she didn't speak up and ashamed that she's been successful and worried that ppl might think she compromised herself to get where she is ('bitches suck cock just to get to the top' (c) Lil Kim; 'a woman's got to use what she's got to get what she wants' (c) James Brown). and plus since we don't care about how we look or if we're in the safe space that is the Black barber shop we can ignore the reality that Paltrow would've placed herself at odds w/a powerful figure in Hollywood and though she was once the highest paid woman actor in Hollywood...she's not that person now. and even when she was...a woman actor in Hollywood doesn't have as much power as we might think, at least not relative to Weinstein. it's hard enough for a woman to get work in Hollywood (i know...other women have it much harder than Paltrow so it's hard to shed tears for white skinny self in the barber shop, ain't it?) - adding this on to it is a lot for a woman to take on. for any person to take on. which is why so few have spoken out. b/c since the execs who run Hollywood will identify w/Weinstein they're not gonna like the airing of this known dirty laundry. and those execs mostly all have similar dirty laundry. and snitches get stitches ain't just a 'street' thing. it's a real life thing. but the stitches are called blackballing.

if we don't want to be an asshole then we applaud Paltrow for having the courage to come forward and encourage anyone who's been there to speak up when they can and we understand those who aren't yet comfortable. and maybe we share our own story to help folks understand how common this is and how awful and inexcusable it is. it'll continue but we shouldn't just accept it. the more we drag the shit out into the light and let the perpetrators see they can't get away w/this i think the better off we'll be. and if we take dudes like Harvey at their word then we need to educate them about letting go of the Mad Men office era and of the casting couch by speaking about this issue publicly. we shouldn't let it be an open secret. say it loud and proud. we should applaud. we can say 'ugh, paltrow' later. in the car on the way home.

fuck you.

  

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64. "Buddy just started the engine."
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>we can say 'ugh, paltrow' later. in the car on the way home.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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62. "doesnt seem like a tough question"
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seems like the same question that is usually asked with a wink wink nudge nudge everytime a scenario like this comes out


  

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63. "yeah they are all enablers. Of course we understand why they did it."
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They weren't thinking about others....they were thinking about themselves. They probably whispered to other girls to be careful. But those same girls probably saw and heard how those that were abused 'made it' and some were likely willing to go down that some road. Others probably vowed to be careful and got caught up.

Hopefully to the Paltrows and Jolies of the world, their silence was worth it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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65. "Buddy: I know who is at fault for this powerful man -- women."
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you couldn't be more of a loser if you tried.

Shouts to you for admitting you're getting dumber every day, at least you're right about something.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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66. "are the women asking for it by dressing like sluts? (c) Donna Karan."
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4964380/Donna-Karan-defends-Harvey-Weinstein-blames-victims.html

1. never mind that she's a fashion designer. who likely dressed some of the women Harvey harassed. he might've tried to take them out of DK clothes for those massages.

2. she walked this back and said it was taken out of context.

3. her conditioning is conditioned. that's how they getcha.

4. the answer to her question is 'NO', guys. NO it doesn't matter how the women dressed. no one asks to be harassed. no one should have to deal w/having to be felt up by their potential boss or having to put out for their potential boss to get a job. even though we've all heard of the 'casting couch' and even though some ppl have indeed been felt up and put out to get ahead...no one should have to do that. it's degrading and dehumanizing.

fuck you.

  

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67. "Hold up...lets simplify this for a sec."
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Man rapes/sexually assaults Woman
Man coerces Woman to silence by a settlement and furthering her career
Woman stays silent, continues to work with man
Man rapes/sexually assaults other women


So the woman stayed silent for a combo of reasons including fear/embarrassment AND wanting to further her career. But we not gonna discuss the effects of her silence?

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68. "we can do that."
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absolutely.

we should punish these women for not dealing w/their awful harassment/battery/et al in a way that takes some measure of courage which maybe we don't understand b/c we haven't experienced this ourselves so we don't know what the fuck we're talking about we should just shut the fuck up but we won't b/c we're men, after all. and it's our duty to keep women in their place.

so yeah let's punish these women for not coming forward sooner. they don't feel awful enough. we gotta make sure we put a cherry on the misery.

i mean, suicide is still just right there on the table for them. i dunno why they won't just do it. GAWD.

fuck you.

  

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71. "replace the above scenario with a young being raped or assaulted"
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We know this happens too.

Does anything change?

bc you are making this a gender issue.

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74. "buddy made it a gender issue, you just like lying."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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76. "How did he make it a gender issue?"
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unless you are talking about prior to post 56?

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80. "I assume you can read."
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I'm not here to deal with your lies.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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83. "not that interested bro. I just needed to kill some time to end the last..."
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half hour of my day.

Thanks for the help.

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85. "*plays the Big Joker*"
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*card up*

If you listen with empathy these survivors will tell you why they didn't speak sooner.

fuck you.

  

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73. "when you don't have to use hypotheticals"
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and can instead focus on the discussion that actually happened -- buddy heard powerful man was a rapist, and immediately decided he'd get to the bottom of the problem by calling out people he'd victimized.

because buddy, and you, are expert investigators in sexual harassment and assault.

and thanks to your years of knowledgeable experience, you know exactly who to blame.

and they can't possibly be men.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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77. "lol is anyone claiming that Weinstein doesn't deserve the blame?"
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That his actions are anything less than deplorable?

if so, point them out.

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81. "I pointed you and your buddy out long ago."
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keep lying.

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84. "pointed me out? lol who is you?"
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good luck in life man.

lol

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94. "Why would you even bother to go back and forth with that dude. "
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He literally never has anything to add to any discussion unless he is trolling someone's mischaracterized position. Not capable of adult conversation.

And I am pretty sure he is posting with cheese doodle flakes in his unkempt beard.



>good luck in life man.
>
>lol


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118. "I had 30 mins to spare...needed a back and forth to finish the day"
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90. "You are a sad simple ugly little troll unworthy of a response. "
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>you couldn't be more of a loser if you tried.
>
>Shouts to you for admitting you're getting dumber every day,
>at least you're right about something.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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95. "*responds saying you're unworthy of a response*"
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there's nothing for you to say to me.

you expose how ain't shit you are every time you hit post.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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97. "RE: *responds saying you're unworthy of a response*"
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https://ibb.co/d5ytqb


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70. "i just realized HR never asked me why i didn't come forward."
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why other ppl had to make the claims for me.

they were well-trained.

but i didn't come forward sooner when it happened to me b/c i didn't think anyone would care and i didn't think anything would happen and so i thought it was best to just ignore it and keep on pressing. but it turned out that other ppl witnessed in the one situation and that created a 'hostile work environment' for THEM so that claim was really theirs too and i was a witness though really the guy was harassing ME. i didn't know that was a thing. and then the next time i felt i had to tell my supervisor why i wouldn't work on a project w/a certain dude and she was like well i have to report this to HR and i said why and she was like it's in the handbook if i don't report i could be punished so i'm going to and then there was a thing and he lost his job and all that but he was foolish enough to write down the come-on on a document i had to file w/the fedz...so i dunno. but anyway even w/evidence i didn't think anyone cared. both times the employer took swift action. and no one ever challenged me or asked why i didn't speak up.

i'm glad they didn't.

fuck you.

  

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92. "To be clear I am not talking about anyone in a subordinate position"
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Im not talking about Rose McGowan, Tomi-Ann Roberts, Katherine Kendall or even a Young Gwenyth Paltrow.

I am asking about people that genuinely became power centers in their own right like Gwenyth Paltrow, Angelina Jolie, Bradd Pitt (or Matt Damon or Ben Affleck assuming they knew about it and said nothing) who continue to work with Harvey Weinstein.

If Quentin Tarantino knows that Harvey Weinstein rapes women, and he does a film with HW, is he an enabler?

Or going back to subordinates, if an assistant arranges a hotel rendezvous for HW and knows that HW will use it as an opportunity to attack a girl, is that assistant an enabler?

I understand while any individual wouldn't come forward alone (regardless of their power) but I guess I am wondering when you cross the line into an enabler when you continue to work with such a clearly terrible person.

When do you move into Joe Paterno terroritory.





>why other ppl had to make the claims for me.
>
>they were well-trained.
>
>but i didn't come forward sooner when it happened to me b/c i
>didn't think anyone would care and i didn't think anything
>would happen and so i thought it was best to just ignore it
>and keep on pressing. but it turned out that other ppl
>witnessed in the one situation and that created a 'hostile
>work environment' for THEM so that claim was really theirs too
>and i was a witness though really the guy was harassing ME. i
>didn't know that was a thing. and then the next time i felt i
>had to tell my supervisor why i wouldn't work on a project w/a
>certain dude and she was like well i have to report this to HR
>and i said why and she was like it's in the handbook if i
>don't report i could be punished so i'm going to and then
>there was a thing and he lost his job and all that but he was
>foolish enough to write down the come-on on a document i had
>to file w/the fedz...so i dunno. but anyway even w/evidence i
>didn't think anyone cared. both times the employer took swift
>action. and no one ever challenged me or asked why i didn't
>speak up.
>
>i'm glad they didn't.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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96. "*adds men after the fact to cover up his point*"
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maybe you just forgot before, I mean you are dumber than you used to be.

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100. "Matt Damon and Brad Pitt were in my first post but keep trying you "
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Miserable ugly troll.


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103. "you couldn't be more of a lying fuck if you tried."
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12. I saw this morning. Went down the internet rabbit whole and found
Thu Oct-05-17 05:11 PM
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he phrase "Harvey Girls".

http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/harveys-girls-the-wouldbe-ingenues-where-are-they-now-and-what-happened-then.php


Funny thing is someone like Blake Lively is a name I hear all the time and I have no clue what she has been in and why people are always talking about her. This kind of explains.

Got me also thinking that a lot of the times some of these scandals take so long to be exposed because there are many women who "profited" from it.

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108. "Post #56 you slow witted unattractive troll, where I first brought up"
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the women AND MEN who might be considered (arguably) enablers.

You can't keep up with the conversation troll. Why would you get in a factual argument when the entire record is right here? LOL then SMH.

You will try to think of something clever to snap back with but please stop embarrassing yourself. You aren't as clever as you think.



>12. I saw this morning. Went down the internet rabbit whole
>and found
>Thu Oct-05-17 05:11 PM
>In response to Reply # 0
>
>he phrase "Harvey Girls".
>
>http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/harveys-girls-the-wouldbe-ingenues-where-are-they-now-and-what-happened-then.php
>
>
>Funny thing is someone like Blake Lively is a name I hear all
>the time and I have no clue what she has been in and why
>people are always talking about her. This kind of explains.
>
>Got me also thinking that a lot of the times some of these
>scandals take so long to be exposed because there are many
>women who "profited" from it.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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110. "why bother? "
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112. "And I just told Cenario the same thing about feeding the Troll. LOL."
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116. "because y'all are losers and what losers love is attention"
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from the people they're jealous of.

it's not hard to figure out.

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115. "thanks for confirming you're lying"
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since the post I copied, is actually the first one where you tried your enabler schtick.

and I know you're obsessed with my face boy.

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143. "Vox is talkin bout it."
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https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/10/16454954/harvey-weinstein-enablers

The ppl who arranged or otherwise participated in the meetings where they knew what Harvey was up to - I guess they're enablers.

fuck you.

  

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178. "yuuup"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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106. "LMAO @ "THIS STOPS NOW!!!""
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bihhh you knew about that shit and kept quiet to make it to the top.

What's foul is the women who DID come forward won't get the kudos they deserve while these johnnny come lately's get on Extra and all those other shows acting like they care.

All those fools knew about dude and stayed quiet for decades

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130. "the entire industry and the media around it protected dude"
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there's countless enablers in this story

  

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69. "Yall see Terry Crews twitter? Hollyweirdos even tried him. "
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I'd post it but I'm in the gym and it's hard to post 16 tweets

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72. "i don't think it matters...he's a man."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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82. "look at this fucking loser here."
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*imagining* that people don't care when someone has been assaulted.

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87. "My God this is not a Gendrwarz issue."
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Men are not being attacked here. Men happen to be the main perpetrators of this particular bad behavior. So? Women do it too. So? Right now the story is about Harvey. I don't identify with him except that we both have dicks and like massages. So I don't immediately jump to his defense. The dick thing isn't enough for me to claim him on the team. Maybe if I fucked women I'd want to defend Harvey in the court of public opinion. If he paid a retainer I'd defend him in courts of law, equity, et al. But this ain't that.

I hear these women and empathize with them. Others don't. Why not? Why is the empathy with Harvey?

fuck you.

  

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119. "I agree it's not a gender wars issue"
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Who is sympathizing with harvey?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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149. "Cool."
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fuck you.

  

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88. "1 link."
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https://twitter.com/i/moments/917849599213158400

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89. "Damn. That's what's up."
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Takes courage to put it out there. I applaud him.

It's stunning that ppl think they can just do shit like that all openly. I know the kids say nothing should surprise anyone (cynicism won't protect you, bros. sorry.) But I was shocked in both of my sexual harassment situations bc they did this shit at work in front of other ppl. Which put me in an awkward place. That's the power. If I make a scene right now I look crazy and difficult and violent and whatnot bc 'he was just playing' and I need to 'lighten up' and I should be 'flattered'. Fuck that shit. I shouldn't have to be constantly pressed at work after I have told this dude these dudes I do. not. want. them. The bullshit didn't make them charming. They didn't coerce me into sex. They didn't wear me down. Wtf?

For a minute there I lost myself. (c) Radiohead

fuck you.

  

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98. "Good look"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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102. "LAST YEAR!??!"
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Not that there's ever a GOOD time to sexually assault someone, but I was expecting this to be about some shit from when he was getting started

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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107. "right, dude was swollen and still got tried.. "
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114. "I feel like Dave Chappelle got stories. "
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126. "Denzel, Sam Jackson, Morgan Freeman... I bet they got tons of them"
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****************
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145. "Weird how all the people on Twitter who are SUPER concerned"
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about sexual assault on men aren't sticking up for Terry in this situation.

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148. "because it seems wrong to turn the focus to the ONE DUDE"
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who shares his story.

it's a good story to share because it shows people it can happen to anyone, but it makes sense to not lose focus on the primary group targeted by this sort of behavior.


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159. "that's not it."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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91. "i felt small."
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I've been damaged.

Just talking to you my body is shaking.

I felt responsible.

If I were strong I would've kicked him and run away. But I didn't.


Years of GUILT.

I said no no no.

It was a nightmare.

He was so big.

I'm a fucking fool.

I'm still trying to come to terms with what happened.

http://gothamist.com/2017/10/10/harvey_weinstein_rape.php?_ga=2.177703461.1062111305.1507639940-2047642445.1475150252

^ why they didn't come forward. If we have empathy we can understand this, right?

But Harvey I mean how can he not see the wrong in this? Is he that broken?

fuck you.

  

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93. "I wonder"
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if this will be as bad as Cosby situation.

  

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99. "Certainly has the potential to be much worse"
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When it came apart for Cosby, he was mostly retired, just doing stand-up at b and c locations around the country. There was talk of development of a new network TV show, but he was out of the public life.

Weinstein is a high powered film exec. right today. Meaning that it shouldn't surprise anyone if he was still engaging in this type of behavior right today.

So if one of the young actresses who came up under Weinstein came out and revealed that he sexually assaulted them not that long ago, he would probably face criminal charges on top losing his role as one of the top power brokers in Hollywood.

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101. "Could be bigger because it implicates a lot of current Hollywood"
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Think if all the directors and studio heads that have worked with HW. And then we suppose to believe HW the only huge Hollywood person who worked like this?

Someone on Twitter mentioned his could be Catholic Church big.


>if this will be as bad as Cosby situation.
>
>


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104. "I bet Louis CK is sweating somewhere. "
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193. "All the talk around him, he's gotta be up next"
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199. "Well that's a given either way lol."
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I love Louis' art. But for some reason....those accusations that he would just randomly start masturbating in front of someone without consent just sound like they have some truth in them for some reason.

  

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109. "wait what? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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111. "I meant."
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Think if this implicates all the directors and studio heads that have worked with HW and knew what he was doing.


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150. "There are rumours about him, actually."
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https://jezebel.com/tell-us-what-you-know-about-the-louis-c-k-sexual-abuse-1818549472

  

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105. "uhh, this will be much worse... "
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well, it should be.

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117. "HW wasn't planning to buy NBC, so no."
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I kid.

  

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140. "this is almost exactly the same"
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dude is snowballing into the land of Jell-O Pudding Pops as we type

  

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141. "it SHOULD be worse. because it is. but hollywood will circle the wagons"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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142. "I think it might be too hot to even circle the wagons"
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Right now on local news radio im listening to them drag the Manhattan DA for letting Harvey Slide two years ago.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/why-wasnt-harvey-weinstein-charged-ny-das-office-explains.html

I expect people to flip..if not for their conscious coming to light, but not to get Ben Affleck dragged, lol.

  

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168. "It's wild bc he actually bragged that he never had to "do Cosby stuff""
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I assume he just meant he never gave anyone roofies.

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169. "no it won't because Bill Cosby is black..."
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>if this will be as bad as Cosby situation.
>
>

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120. "Ryan Coogler"
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(TWC released Fruitvale Station)

"I am disturbed and saddened at the news that several women have been victimized by a person I had come to know through the purchase of my first feature film. While I had no further business dealings with Harvey Weinstein, and no knowledge of this predatory behavior, my career did benefit from this brief involvement. Because of that, I feel a responsibility to speak up on this issue.

I love working as a storyteller. But I work in an industry that too many times has proven to not be a safe space for women. I make it a priority to ensure that there is gender equity and an inclusive work environment on every project I am involved with. However, just minding our business sometimes isn’t enough. It goes without saying, but I will state it now: sexual harassment is a human rights violation, sexual assault is a human rights violation, rape is a human rights violation.

The entertainment industry, like many others, has a historic imbalance of power among gender that allows these violations to run rampant. As men we sit in positions of privilege. It is our responsibility to leverage our position, and be allies to the women in our industry. We need to do everything we can to make sure violations like these don’t continue to happen. The first step is to listen. Salute to the brave women who came forward. I could never imagine how difficult that must be."


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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200. "Very concise point."
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Nailed it.

  

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123. "And yet Pitt was in Inglorious Basterds. Smh. "
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124. "Rose McGowan Call outs Ben Affleck Over Harvey Weinstein "
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It's happening. A lot of names are going to come out of people who knew about it and did nothing and continued to work with HW.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/movies/rose-mcgowan-ben-affleck-matt-damon-weinstein.html

What's annoying about this is Fox News is treating this like early Xmas because they think it somehow exposes hypocrisy on the left. "Where's Obama and Clinton on this??!?"

Someone made a good point on Twitter, considering that the Obamas let there teenage daughter intern at Weinstein CO., that's pretty good evidence that they didn' t know about his reputation with young women.





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127. "These people are all playing dumb"
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they knew and stayed silent to further their careers. Matt Damon said if he saw it he would've stopped it. Nigga please.

All these folks trying to play tough guys and tough women AFTER those other people did the heavy lifting.

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144. "Rose has been killing it on Twitter this week"
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Completely out of fucks and coming for people's necks.

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188. "She has nothing to lose"
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she hasn't had a job in ages

  

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125. "LOL its old news Hollywood is ran by pedophiles and molestors"
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128. "true"
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this is why I don't most of us are shocked..

I'm still surprised more people aren't outing these folks once they get some money and power of their own.

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129. "I can't be mad at em though. They would be doomed"
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No matter how big you are in Hollywood the studios ultimately own your soul. A she said/he said lets say between Weinstein and lets say pre "we know you crazy now" Tom Cruise when he was in Top Gun/4Th Of July bug would have the other execs rally around Weinstein (cause even if they aint fuck their workers, lord knows what other shady shit they are trying to hide and Weinstein would call them favors). They would lean on their talent go out there and stump for him, (a quick hot take from Julia Roberts saying 'Harvey was always professional with me' which to her knowledge would be true)..and now Cruise is out here looking scientology crazy before we knew he was scientology crazy.

They are gonna have to deal with the moral issue at night, but lets not act like people dont do the see no evil, hear no evil all the time when its just a 35k job on the line, lol

  

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132. "I read a comment in NYT that said"
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Once the dragon is slayed these folks come out from hiding in the woods and want to stab the dragon with a sword and pose for the photos.


I will reserve my respect for the women who spoke up, said something, filed lawsuits, left the game completely...

but those who stayed silent and collecting checks and fame who now want to come out and grab the mic? nah. can't do it.

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197. "who also happen to vote and support the (D) like Weinstein himself."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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131. "So...anyone notice they shuffled LA Reid outta the paint quietly?"
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How many skeletons are going to pop out of other parts of the entettainmentindustry?

  

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133. "Clooney said he knows women sleep with producers to get parts"
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but worded it like "ehhh, that's part of the game"

but taking it? nah.. that's different.

so it's common knowledge in the industry. The rape shit tho, the molestation? That's well known too but folks stay silent cause they want those big checks.


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134. "The same crowd that gave Roman Polanski a standing ovation. "
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135. "Ben Affleck: GOTDAMMIT I TOLD HIM TO STOP DOING THAT!!!"
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This was what he said when Rosie told him what happened.

Then you have Seth McFarland joking in 2013 on live TV: “Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein.”

The crowd laughs...

These folks know whats going on.

and yeah, who can forget Whoopie Goldberg: Is wasn't rape-rape?

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More than 100 film industry figures have now signed a petition calling for the release of Polanski, the acclaimed director of Chinatown, Rosemary's Baby and The Pianist.

Whoopi Goldberg's strange defence of Polanski 30 Sep 2009
They include leading Hollywood figures Martin Scorcese, Woody Allen, David Lynch, Wim Wenders, Pedro Almodovar, Tilda Swinton and Monica Bellucci.

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136. "yup people knew what was going on. Its disgusting."
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and unfortunately, not surprising.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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137. "so to run in after the fact with this fake concern is hilarisad"
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I'm glad she put him on blast.

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139. "Harv out there with the 'I-I-I-I LOVE COMPANY FLOW' tape"
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sounding desperate and creepy as fuck. SMH.

too bad he ain't up for a vote. he'd be a shoo-in following 45.

  

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157. "nice Linda Tripp reference"
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146. "Harvey's going to sex addiction rehab in Europe"
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Am I being paranoid or is he going to pull a Polanski (or for a more current reference, an Assange?) I can't see any criminal charges actually coming unless someone has a more recent rape allegation than what we've heard so far.

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147. "I doubt it."
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Sex addiction treatment makes sense though. Until the rape allegations I wasn't thinking of the cases like that.

fuck you.

  

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154. "his only addiction is the power he had over nubile Hollywood pussy"
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if it were just a sex thing he's wealthy enough to solicit prostitutes

  

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156. "Yeah, he ain’t coming back. Lol"
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153. "NBC killed this story. (c) Ronan Farrow"
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https://www.salon.com/2017/10/11/ronan-farrow-nbc-had-my-weinstein-expose-first-and-killed-it/

y'all are asking why folks didn't come forward previously.

this is why.

b/c Weinstein was able to marshal all kinds of resources to threaten those who would come forward. i don't blame anyone for not wanting to take all of that on alone.

fuck you.

  

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155. "Ben Affleck disavowed Harvey Weinstein. Here's the real Ben Affleck"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMq6xDHBKwQ

  

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158. "What exactly do you see in this video?"
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https://media.tenor.com/images/54451401d52c0dd2fe9ee5752857d53c/tenor.gif


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162. "Not sure about that video but that other video is damning"
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Its juuuust outta frame but you see the titty bounce and everything

http://gothamist.com/2017/10/11/ben_affleck_sorry_not_sorry.php

  

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177. "creepiness and sexual harassment"
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161. "Im surprised his company is getting a pass on all of this"
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they were quick to give him the hook and act like they were outraged but they knew. These stories have been floating around Hollywood forever and shit the internet forever. You know his company just turned a blind eye to it. Well that's just Harvey. Good ol rapey Harvey. People want to talk about why actors didn't come forward why didn't his company put him out years ago or force him to get help? This reminds of the Joe Pa Sandusky scandal.

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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163. "neither Miramax (sold in 1993) nor TWC (just fired him)"
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have been given a pass.

this story just broke - meaning names have been attached to allegations 'on the record' just this week. it's based on interviews w/the accusers and w/ppl who've worked w/Harvey.

it seems some of the accusers have lawyers. i dunno if any are suing since Harvey may have an obvious statute of limitations defense, depending on the timing of the alleged bad acts.

just yesterday some accusers came out w/allegations that allege criminal behavior. they might've talked to or might be talking to police and/or prosecutors.

but back to the companies - if any accusers file civil suits i'd expect they'd name the companies and possibly certain employees/execs as defendants. of course the companies are doing what they can to distance themselves and they'll keep at it through any civil litigation or employment litigation, i'm sure. it's not over yet.

and in the court of public opinion - ppl are already asking who supported/enabled Harvey. i saw several articles on that issue already today. it's in the air.

fuck you.

  

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164. "good"
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I was missing all of that information with all the celeb stories

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171. "ppl are already asking you say? saw several articles on that issue"
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TODAY did you?

I see what yall did here.

>and in the court of public opinion - ppl are already asking
>who supported/enabled Harvey. i saw several articles on that
>issue already today. it's in the air.


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172. "what i didn't do here is blame the women Harvey harassed/battered"
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for not reporting sooner and name THEM as enablers.

b/c that's gross.

otherwise i'm not sure what else i did here.

fuck you.

  

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173. "Neither did I and you know it (but I doubt you will admit it.... "
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even though the entire record is right here!!)

It's all right dude. I'd rather you see my point than admit you were wrong (even though it took reading some other folks making the same point before you acknowledge it).




>for not reporting sooner and name THEM as enablers.
>
>b/c that's gross.
>
>otherwise i'm not sure what else i did here.
>
>


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174. "i'm not sure if you meant this for me."
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LOL

and i didn't accuse you of calling the folks who didn't report Harvey enablers. can you show me where i did?

oh i see...you've confused me w/you.

b/c YOU raised the question whether Paltrow is an enabler (who was harassed by Harvey, she claims).

i didn't address that in my reply to that post. i addressed whether it's assholish to cast aspersions on Paltrow and others Harvey harassed for not having spoken up sooner. i didn't make the connection from that to enabling b/c...eww.

you did your normal thing and played 'devils advocate' on an issue for which the devil needs no advocate. b/c that position is so abhorrent that it's not worthy of consideration. and though you issued a toothless disclaimer to the contrary, your 'devils advocacy' there is definitely victim-blaming.

but to answer the question you raised in your Satanic representation...no, the ppl Harvey harassed cannot be called enablers just b/c they didn't report sooner. it's not fair to them to put that on them.

the real enablers seem to be the ppl who helped orchestrate the 'meetings' and whatnot Harvey used to harass and batter his victims. and then the ppl in positions of power @ Miramax and TWC who could've taken action against Harvey to curb his behavior but instead approved payment of several settlements and used non-disclosure agreements to silence Harvey's victims. and then whatever henchmen Harvey used to threaten victims. those are the enablers i see so far. but not the other victims like Paltrow.

fuck you.

  

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182. "I'm not playing devil's advocate, I am asking for myself "
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who people consider to be the enablers of HW. You say it' can't be Paltrow because she is a victim. That's understandable. Does that mean Melania Trump isn't an enabler though (I am sure she has been subject to Trumps most brutish behavior)?

You say it's the people who arranged the setups and the women who acted as "honeypots" for him, but a lot of these were low-level women in subordinate positions who probably complied out of fear of HW. I can sympathize with them to a certain extent as other people who feared the wrath of HW.

What about the actors and directors (like Ben Affleck, Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow, Matt Damon and QT who I mentioned before) who continued to work with HW? Clooney said he knows that Producers like HW try to leverage their clout to sleep with women but didn't know HW was engaging in non-consenual sex. Are folks okay with that? I am curious what those folks have said glowingly about HW over the years.

Folks in my FB feed are giving props to Brad Pitt for stepping to HW over GP but I'm kind of like, what all the next women that had to work with HW? What did Brad Pitt do for them?


I'm only here for the thornier more complicated questions. I think we can all agree that HW is a dirtbag and there are a multitude of reasons why victims wouldn't come forward. I am not sure who needs that lecture.

Some people are spectrum-y half-wits like RJCC who are incapable of nuance and dealing with complicated topics so they immediately resort to accusing people of blaming the victim. I am not interested in getting sucked into that troll-ish dumb conversation (though I always fall for it. SMH).

You might not be interested in having that convo and that's cool, but you did appear to go from "That's Victim Blaming" with the Donna Karen quote to "Yeah people are talking about it".



>LOL
>
>and i didn't accuse you of calling the folks who didn't report
>Harvey enablers. can you show me where i did?
>
>oh i see...you've confused me w/you.
>
>b/c YOU raised the question whether Paltrow is an enabler (who
>was harassed by Harvey, she claims).
>
>i didn't address that in my reply to that post. i addressed
>whether it's assholish to cast aspersions on Paltrow and
>others Harvey harassed for not having spoken up sooner. i
>didn't make the connection from that to enabling b/c...eww.
>
>you did your normal thing and played 'devils advocate' on an
>issue for which the devil needs no advocate. b/c that
>position is so abhorrent that it's not worthy of
>consideration. and though you issued a toothless disclaimer
>to the contrary, your 'devils advocacy' there is definitely
>victim-blaming.
>
>but to answer the question you raised in your Satanic
>representation...no, the ppl Harvey harassed cannot be called
>enablers just b/c they didn't report sooner. it's not fair to
>them to put that on them.
>
>the real enablers seem to be the ppl who helped orchestrate
>the 'meetings' and whatnot Harvey used to harass and batter
>his victims. and then the ppl in positions of power @ Miramax
>and TWC who could've taken action against Harvey to curb his
>behavior but instead approved payment of several settlements
>and used non-disclosure agreements to silence Harvey's
>victims. and then whatever henchmen Harvey used to threaten
>victims. those are the enablers i see so far. but not the
>other victims like Paltrow.


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190. "enjoy the thorns, player."
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have fun out there.

and btw - yeah, Karan was victim-blaming. and she walked back her horrendous question about what the women were wearing and whether that should be considered a factor in any of this b/c gladly someone hipped her to the idea that the question is bullshit. b/c the answer is obvious to those who've already worked through the issue.

some questions...i guess i have to remember folks out there in the big wide world are working through various issues on their own schedule and plenty are just starting out. so like w/this topic i know there are ppl who just haven't thought about this shit before and so they ask questions that are like "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" to me or anyone else who's worked through this stuff for a while. and hell i'm still asking questions on plenty other topics that set off "!!!!!!!!!!" for plenty ppl. so i see that. but fuck it i'm me and i'm impatient. i'm not a hand-holder. at least on topics that really set me off. other ppl will hold hands and gently walk newbies through the thorns and patiently answer ridiculous horrendous offensive questions. i won't.

fuck you.

  

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192. "The horse is dead but one point of clarification. "
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Of course Donna Karan was victim blaming. I didn't say otherwise. Not sure why you would think I was saying otherwise or doubting that (other than you think the worst in folks). My point is that you were suggesting I was victim blaming by comparing my question to Donna Karan's statement. Then turn around and acknowledge that other (respectable) people were doing the same.


>have fun out there.
>
>and btw - yeah, Karan was victim-blaming. and she walked back
>her horrendous question about what the women were wearing and
>whether that should be considered a factor in any of this b/c
>gladly someone hipped her to the idea that the question is
>bullshit. b/c the answer is obvious to those who've already
>worked through the issue.
>
>some questions...i guess i have to remember folks out there in
>the big wide world are working through various issues on their
>own schedule and plenty are just starting out. so like w/this
>topic i know there are ppl who just haven't thought about this
>shit before and so they ask questions that are like
>"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" to me or anyone else who's worked through
>this stuff for a while. and hell i'm still asking questions
>on plenty other topics that set off "!!!!!!!!!!" for plenty
>ppl. so i see that. but fuck it i'm me and i'm impatient.
>i'm not a hand-holder. at least on topics that really set me
>off. other ppl will hold hands and gently walk newbies
>through the thorns and patiently answer ridiculous horrendous
>offensive questions. i won't.
>

And get over yourself. No one is asking you to hold their hand. I ask the questions because I am just curious about other peoples POV, not because I need you to school me.

And you got your head up your own ass if you think I'd need YOU to school me on this shit when I was raised by a career mom and got a wife with a career who deals with this all of her life as well. That I would need you to tell me what it's like to be a woman in uncomfortable sexually inappropriate but suppose to be professional situations?

This sort of self-important condescension is why the term "Woke" has become a joke.




>


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194. "awesome."
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have fun in the thorns playing court w/the devil. maybe mom and your wife will bring you snacks while you're out there.

fuck you.

  

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196. "Shit that makes your soul burn slow. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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166. "that's rose mcgowan's big push at this point"
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because it's impossible for miramax to pretend they had no idea if they were paying the settlements.

we'll see if that sticks in the reporting as this develops.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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195. "The company knew and was giving him a pass"
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http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/12/weinstein-contract-the-weinstein-company-sexual-harassment-firing-illegal/

  

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165. "Damn, he tried Cara Delevingne"
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Seems sexual preference ain't stop Harvey either; Like, how did this guy even function as a producer if he had no self control?

For people hinting at how at a certain level of fame your immune when she was transitioning to acting she was probably one of the top 3 models out there:


https://www.instagram.com/p/BaHc485FRVx/


caradelevingne:
When I first started to work as an actress, i was working on a film and I received a call from‎ Harvey Weinstein asking if I had slept with any of the women I was seen out with in the media. It was a very odd and uncomfortable call....i answered none of his questions and hurried off the phone but before I hung up, he said to me that If I was gay or decided to be with a woman especially in public that I'd never get the role of a straight woman or make it as an actress in Hollywood. A year or two later, I went to a meeting with him in the lobby of a hotel with a director about an upcoming film. The director left the meeting and Harvey asked me to stay and chat with him. As soon as we were alone he began to brag about all the actresses he had slept with and how he had made their careers and spoke about other inappropriate things of a sexual nature. He then invited me to his room. I quickly declined and asked his assistant if my car was outside. She said it wasn't and wouldn't be for a bit and I should go to his room. At that moment I felt very powerless and scared but didn't want to act that way hoping that I was wrong about the situation. When I arrived I was relieved to find another woman in his room and thought immediately I was safe. He asked us to kiss and she began some sort of advances upon his direction. I swiftly got up and asked him if he knew that I could sing. And I began to sing....i thought it would make the situation better....more professional....like an audition....i was so nervous. After singing I said again that I had to leave. He walked me to the door and stood in front of it and tried to kiss me on the lips. I stopped him and managed to get out of the room. I still got the part for the film and always thought that he gave it to me because of what happened. Since then I felt awful that I did the movie. I felt like I didn't deserve the part. I was so hesitant about speaking out....I didn't want to hurt his family. I felt guilty as if I did something wrong. I was also terrified that this sort of thing had happened to so many women I know but no one had said anything because of fear.

  

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170. "The routine is what's so disgusting to me"
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I remember thinking the same thing about Darren Sharper. The way everything follows a pattern that he's probably honed over the years. Like there was probably a moment where he said to himself "oh, that time I came out of the shower, she was able to get to the door too quickly, next time I'll be sure to have her sit farther away" or something. Or just when he figured out that having another woman at the meeting would put them at ease before he attacked (since a lot of the stories involve a female assistant or someone who left right after the meeting started.)

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176. "one of the big things you notice about stuff like this"
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when people get caught, they act like it's the first time they did it -- it's never the first time.

which is how you end up with so many people saying "oh, I'd heard he did something but I didn't know it was this bad, was going on this long"

because they didn't want to dig and find out more, so they didn't.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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167. "#ImAHoeToo"
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"During the Sundance Film Festival in January, when Park City, Utah, held its version of nationwide women’s marches, Mr. Weinstein joined the parade."

smh...THIS nxgga

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179. "How Men Like Harvey Weinstein Implicate Their Victims in Their Acts"
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so that the losers who fall for his game can stop being losers who ask stupid questions.

"Afterward, you are rarely presented with even a single good option. Stay silent and you have acquiesced to whatever happened. Tell a friend and nothing much will be done. Come forward to an authority figure and you’ll face unfair consequences: people will be uncomfortable around you, perceiving ulterior motives; people will look for reasons that this happened to you, specifically; maybe you simply won’t be believed. There will be retribution—the power dynamic in these situations makes it a foregone conclusion. Men like Harvey Weinstein prey on women who are inexperienced enough that they can be penalized if they say no and implicated if they give in."



https://www.newyorker.com/culture/jia-tolentino/how-men-like-harvey-weinstein-implicate-their-victims-in-their-acts


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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180. "Twitter suspends Rosie’s account"
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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59df0f1de4b00abf364657f9?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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181. "LOL. i hope it was a weird bot"
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cause if it was a human, lol.

“Lemmie censor a story as big as the catholic church scandal that every news media group is covering, no one will notice!”

  

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187. "Twitter responds to criticism over blocking Rose McGowan"
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http://thehill.com/policy/technology/355137-twitter-responds-to-criticism-over-blocking-rose-mcgowan



"We have been in touch with Ms. McGowan's team. We want to explain that her account was temporarily locked because one of her Tweets included a private phone number, which violates our Terms of Service," Twitter wrote.
"The Tweet was removed and her account has been unlocked. We will be clearer about these policies and decisions in the future."

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183. "Jay-Z trying to buy Weinstein Co. "
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There is a good Bill Cosby buying NBC joke but can't figure it out.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/11/jay-z-harvey-weinstein-company-twc-buying-interest-share/


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184. "Just wondering, has Bill Crosby admitted to any of the sexual "
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abuse allegations yet?

Just after seeing clip of Harvey telling reporters he needs help and admitting he did wrong. Has Bill owned up to anything yet?

'Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. ~Victor Hugo'

  

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185. "Nope."
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186. "hmmmm, i'm just stunned that these dudes got away with that shit"
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for so long.... Bill not admitting to it at all must be pretty painful for his victims

'Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. ~Victor Hugo'

  

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191. "Make no mistake... "
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Not only didn't Bill ever cop to the multitude of rapes he committed, he spent years and millions of dollars trying to discredit his accusers. As a result, I believe a few of them ended up financially, not to mention emotionally ruined.

  

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189. "Bill has maintained his innocence "
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and there hasn’t been a long line of dudes coming out admitting they knew about it like Harvey.

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198. "Hmmmm...."
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Good point. I wonder why Bill's work associates weren't involved in the same way we're seeing with Harvey.

It is kinda weird for all these guys like Ryan Gosling feeling obliged to make these statements. Gosling quote:

I want to add my voice of support for the women who have had the courage to speak out against Harvey Weinstein. Like most people in Hollywood, I have worked with him and I'm deeply disappointed in myself for being so oblivious to these devastating experiences of sexual harassment and abuse. He is emblematic of a systemic problem. Men should stand with women and work together until there is real accountability and change."

Deeply disappointed in himself? I don't know. If I found out my boss was raping my female co-workers I don't think I'd feel 'deeply disappointed' in myself. And are there any women that feel obliged to make statements like this and are deeply disappointed in themselves?

  

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201. "cause them niggas do."
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Everyone knew..they joked about it at award shows.

But they cant come out and be like I know, but i didn't do anything. So its better to make a statement saying you feel bad while trying to absolve yourself of blame than not saying anything.

I get the impression that what cosby allegedly was doing was not as well known/widespread and had as many accomplices as Weinstein's actions.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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202. "Here's a pretty good collection of evidence of prior knowledge:"
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http://mashable.com/2017/10/13/harvey-weinstein-timeline/#LFlQM6Vxhqqk

Seems pretty clear that noone was genuinely 'shocked' when the story broke.

And listening to the audio footage of him pressuring the actress to go into his room is legitimately triggering. It really upset me to be honest. It's just such a perfect encapsulation of that type of behavior. Like a case-study in abuse.

I think we're fooling ourselves by saying that gender roles are irrelevant in this case. Buddy touched on it above and I think there's more to discuss. I think it boils down to this.....Was there a greater onus on the men in HW's life to identify and speak out on his behavior?

Mindy Kaling tweeted this:

'Why is it helpful men speak up? Bc that's what this personality fears most: the disintegration of the tacit male support for this behavior.'

Ryan Coogler:

The entertainment industry, like many others, has a historic imbalance of power among gender that allows these violations to run rampant. As men we sit in positions of privilege. It is our responsibility to leverage our position, and be allies to the women in our industry. We need to do everything we can to make sure violations like these don’t continue to happen. The first step is to listen. Salute to the brave women who came forward. I could never imagine how difficult that must be.

Most importantly, Lena Dunham's article for the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/opinion/harvey-weinstein-lena-dunham-silence-.html

Gawd I hate Lena Dunham....but she's definitely articulating the most explicit and clearest position stating men have the bigger responsibility in outing this behavior. I'm being pulled in two directions here. On the one hand....I kinda agree with some of her points. On the other hand....I think she's an opportunistic hypocrite who's basically chastising men for a moral transgression without providing ANY pragmatic suggestion for what they should have done. In fact....it would seem SHE is guilty of what she's accusing men of doing.

She writes:

"The reason I am zeroing in on the men is that they have the least to lose and the most power to shift the narrative, and are probably not dealing with the same level of collective and personal trauma around these allegations."

This is the crux of the argument. Firstly, it's important to note that Dunham acknowledges she was aware of the rumors for a long time but did not personally experience any abuse from HW. So I'd contend that it's fair to compare her experience of this whole affair in the same way that say, Christian Slater did. They both depend on Hollywood for their livelihood, they were both aware of rumors about HW and they both could have their careers ruined by the most powerful man in Hollywood.

So does she have 'more to lose' than Slater in outing HW's behavior? I don't think so. Apparently, HW would essentially destroy the career of anyone who stood in his way and he had tremendous resources at his disposal to do this. So if Slater goes public with rumors? His career's over. If Dunham goes public? Her career's over. Why is it that she thinks she has more to lose than Slater?

The next claim is that Slater has 'more power to shift the narrative' than Dunham has. I don't think this is true either. To my understanding....Rose Mcgowan is the one who came out and she certainly 'shifted the narrative'. She certainly hasn't been shown to be 'powerless'. She essentially took down the biggest hollywood mogul that exists. So the proof's in the pudding. We know that woman have the power to shift the narrative because that's exactly what happened.

The last point is a little more nuanced but I still think it doesn't hold up under scrutiny. I think we'd all agree that the ideal scenario is that one of his victims shouldn't have to be the one to out him. It would be much better for a non-victim to do the outting because they can do so without paying the emotional cost that a victim pays. But again, neither Slater or Dunham were direct victims. And don't even get me started on the 'collective' trauma that Dunham gently references (but wisely doesn't really follow up on because it borders on being disgustingly disrespectful to the actual victims). There would be no legitimate 'trauma' for neither Slater or Dunham to do the outting.

So it all begs the question....why does Dunham's argument about 'deafening silence' not apply to her? Why didn't she go public about the rumors? She attempts to take responsibility for her role in the 'deafening silence' by saying 'I’m sorry I shook the hand of someone I knew was not a friend to women in my industry'. (god she is a piece of work). So firstly, she's basically saying 'all I did was shake his hand' and present herself as the 'leading by example' righteous one. As if to say 'If I can take responsibility for such a small transgression than those closer to Weinstein should take responsibility for their much more significant transgressions'.

So she's being totally hypocritical....but even in this phony acknowledgement of her role...she doesn't actually say WHAT SHE SHOULD HAVE DONE. And similarly, she doesn't say what these horrible men in Hollywood should have done either. What should Slater have done? Go to the press and say 'I heard that HW might rape women'? I mean...we're all sitting here playing the moral righteous game....'oh it's so awful. Noone had the courage to say anything. Everybody is complicit in his crimes through their silence'. It's all bullshit. We all agree that anybody who either cooperated in Weinstein's acts or were involved in threatening reporters or victims are despicable. But those aren't the people that Dunham is attacking. She's attacking people like Christian Slater. So what was he supposed to do? And if Dunham has an answer for that....why didn't SHE DO IT?

See...this is the perfect platform for a moralizing, self-righteous asshole like Dunham to take on. You get to make these broad sweeping statements that paint a targeted group (in this case, men in hollywood) as morally corrupt without having to offer any course of action they can undertake to correct their behavior. You men of hollywood are jerks and there's nothing you can do to change it. Also...she gets to align herself with the victim (reference to 'collective trauma' and 'I TOO was sexually harassed by a director'). These women were RAPED. You were hanging out at a bar and a drunk guy started saying that women should show their tits more on tv. How desperate to self-victimize does one have to be to even CONSIDER comparing these two scenarios to each other.

'Staying silent is like gagging the victim'. All these moral parading and virtue-signalling basically amounts to empty gestures. None of it MEANS anything and none of it provides a roadmap to correcting any of the problems. We all know that you shouldn't help a rapist rape people. We all know that if you witness a rape you should report it. But that's not what we're talking about when we address the 'deafening silence'. What people seem to be suggesting....is that we spread unsubstantiated rumors just in case they happen to be true. So you overhear someone saying that a co-worker raped someone? Send out a company-wide email to everyone saying 'Ed might be a rapist'. Because 'silence' is the real enemy.

I'm not trying to be insensitive to the victims. But these sentiments are empty gestures. Designed to make you appear ethical but actually contributing NOTHING to the problem. And also attacking a vague and unidentifiable enemy (the 'men of hollywood') designed in such a way that noone will call you on your bullshit because you don't target anyone directly. It's hilarious....the actual 'men of hollywood' are tweeting out their disdain for the men of hollywood lol. Create a faceless enemy that can't be specified.....make them out to be evil....and then show everyone how woke you are by expressing outrage at them. What a stupid game.

  

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203. "Has Lena spoken this fervent about police killing us etc"
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Since she has the duty with her as a white person just as she’s putting the onus on men in this Weinstein sitch


>http://mashable.com/2017/10/13/harvey-weinstein-timeline/#LFlQM6Vxhqqk
>
>Seems pretty clear that noone was genuinely 'shocked' when the
>story broke.
>
>And listening to the audio footage of him pressuring the
>actress to go into his room is legitimately triggering. It
>really upset me to be honest. It's just such a perfect
>encapsulation of that type of behavior. Like a case-study in
>abuse.
>
>I think we're fooling ourselves by saying that gender roles
>are irrelevant in this case. Buddy touched on it above and I
>think there's more to discuss. I think it boils down to
>this.....Was there a greater onus on the men in HW's life to
>identify and speak out on his behavior?
>
>Mindy Kaling tweeted this:
>
>'Why is it helpful men speak up? Bc that's what this
>personality fears most: the disintegration of the tacit male
>support for this behavior.'
>
>Ryan Coogler:
>
>The entertainment industry, like many others, has a historic
>imbalance of power among gender that allows these violations
>to run rampant. As men we sit in positions of privilege. It is
>our responsibility to leverage our position, and be allies to
>the women in our industry. We need to do everything we can to
>make sure violations like these don’t continue to happen.
>The first step is to listen. Salute to the brave women who
>came forward. I could never imagine how difficult that must
>be.
>
>Most importantly, Lena Dunham's article for the NYT:
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/opinion/harvey-weinstein-lena-dunham-silence-.html
>
>Gawd I hate Lena Dunham....but she's definitely articulating
>the most explicit and clearest position stating men have the
>bigger responsibility in outing this behavior. I'm being
>pulled in two directions here. On the one hand....I kinda
>agree with some of her points. On the other hand....I think
>she's an opportunistic hypocrite who's basically chastising
>men for a moral transgression without providing ANY pragmatic
>suggestion for what they should have done. In fact....it
>would seem SHE is guilty of what she's accusing men of doing.
>
>She writes:
>
>"The reason I am zeroing in on the men is that they have the
>least to lose and the most power to shift the narrative, and
>are probably not dealing with the same level of collective and
>personal trauma around these allegations."
>
>This is the crux of the argument. Firstly, it's important to
>note that Dunham acknowledges she was aware of the rumors for
>a long time but did not personally experience any abuse from
>HW. So I'd contend that it's fair to compare her experience
>of this whole affair in the same way that say, Christian
>Slater did. They both depend on Hollywood for their
>livelihood, they were both aware of rumors about HW and they
>both could have their careers ruined by the most powerful man
>in Hollywood.
>
>So does she have 'more to lose' than Slater in outing HW's
>behavior? I don't think so. Apparently, HW would essentially
>destroy the career of anyone who stood in his way and he had
>tremendous resources at his disposal to do this. So if Slater
>goes public with rumors? His career's over. If Dunham goes
>public? Her career's over. Why is it that she thinks she has
>more to lose than Slater?
>
>The next claim is that Slater has 'more power to shift the
>narrative' than Dunham has. I don't think this is true
>either. To my understanding....Rose Mcgowan is the one who
>came out and she certainly 'shifted the narrative'. She
>certainly hasn't been shown to be 'powerless'. She
>essentially took down the biggest hollywood mogul that exists.
> So the proof's in the pudding. We know that woman have the
>power to shift the narrative because that's exactly what
>happened.
>
>The last point is a little more nuanced but I still think it
>doesn't hold up under scrutiny. I think we'd all agree that
>the ideal scenario is that one of his victims shouldn't have
>to be the one to out him. It would be much better for a
>non-victim to do the outting because they can do so without
>paying the emotional cost that a victim pays. But again,
>neither Slater or Dunham were direct victims. And don't even
>get me started on the 'collective' trauma that Dunham gently
>references (but wisely doesn't really follow up on because it
>borders on being disgustingly disrespectful to the actual
>victims). There would be no legitimate 'trauma' for neither
>Slater or Dunham to do the outting.
>
>So it all begs the question....why does Dunham's argument
>about 'deafening silence' not apply to her? Why didn't she go
>public about the rumors? She attempts to take responsibility
>for her role in the 'deafening silence' by saying 'I’m sorry
>I shook the hand of someone I knew was not a friend to women
>in my industry'. (god she is a piece of work). So firstly,
>she's basically saying 'all I did was shake his hand' and
>present herself as the 'leading by example' righteous one. As
>if to say 'If I can take responsibility for such a small
>transgression than those closer to Weinstein should take
>responsibility for their much more significant
>transgressions'.
>
>So she's being totally hypocritical....but even in this phony
>acknowledgement of her role...she doesn't actually say WHAT
>SHE SHOULD HAVE DONE. And similarly, she doesn't say what
>these horrible men in Hollywood should have done either. What
>should Slater have done? Go to the press and say 'I heard
>that HW might rape women'? I mean...we're all sitting here
>playing the moral righteous game....'oh it's so awful. Noone
>had the courage to say anything. Everybody is complicit in
>his crimes through their silence'. It's all bullshit. We all
>agree that anybody who either cooperated in Weinstein's acts
>or were involved in threatening reporters or victims are
>despicable. But those aren't the people that Dunham is
>attacking. She's attacking people like Christian Slater. So
>what was he supposed to do? And if Dunham has an answer for
>that....why didn't SHE DO IT?
>
>See...this is the perfect platform for a moralizing,
>self-righteous asshole like Dunham to take on. You get to
>make these broad sweeping statements that paint a targeted
>group (in this case, men in hollywood) as morally corrupt
>without having to offer any course of action they can
>undertake to correct their behavior. You men of hollywood are
>jerks and there's nothing you can do to change it. Also...she
>gets to align herself with the victim (reference to
>'collective trauma' and 'I TOO was sexually harassed by a
>director'). These women were RAPED. You were hanging out at
>a bar and a drunk guy started saying that women should show
>their tits more on tv. How desperate to self-victimize does
>one have to be to even CONSIDER comparing these two scenarios
>to each other.
>
>'Staying silent is like gagging the victim'. All these moral
>parading and virtue-signalling basically amounts to empty
>gestures. None of it MEANS anything and none of it provides a
>roadmap to correcting any of the problems. We all know that
>you shouldn't help a rapist rape people. We all know that if
>you witness a rape you should report it. But that's not what
>we're talking about when we address the 'deafening silence'.
>What people seem to be suggesting....is that we spread
>unsubstantiated rumors just in case they happen to be true.
>So you overhear someone saying that a co-worker raped someone?
> Send out a company-wide email to everyone saying 'Ed might be
>a rapist'. Because 'silence' is the real enemy.
>
>I'm not trying to be insensitive to the victims. But these
>sentiments are empty gestures. Designed to make you appear
>ethical but actually contributing NOTHING to the problem. And
>also attacking a vague and unidentifiable enemy (the 'men of
>hollywood') designed in such a way that noone will call you on
>your bullshit because you don't target anyone directly. It's
>hilarious....the actual 'men of hollywood' are tweeting out
>their disdain for the men of hollywood lol. Create a faceless
>enemy that can't be specified.....make them out to be
>evil....and then show everyone how woke you are by expressing
>outrage at them. What a stupid game.

  

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205. "Good point."
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But that's the nature of these platforms. They are inherently contradictory of each other. Intersectionality simply doesn't work. It's not logically coherent. So Dunham will stick to the platforms where SHE gets to moralize and point fingers and she will tap-dance around the platforms that categorize her in the oppressor role. I'm sure she would try to employ some ally type talk but she will NEVER spend very much time on race issues.

People heavily invested in critical theory will ALWAYS downplay the versions in which they are part of the oppressor group. They exhibit power-seeking behavior and in issues of race, Dunham is powerless. (Obviously, I'm saying this in the context of the leftist environment..not society as a whole)

If memory serves...she has had some race-type transgressions. Something to do with Odelle Beckham I think? Not sure if the accusations were fair though.

  

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206. "Yes they were fair and ridiculous."
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She got upset bc they were at event at a table and he showed no interest in him. She said he looked at her and disregarded her bc he must have thought "she's not my type, she's wearing a tux..i'd rather look at instagram than look at her"

She later apologized and said odell did nothing wrong(obviously) and was it was her own insecurities about being an average bodied woman at a table with supermodels and athletes.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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207. "Yah...i checked it out."
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She's insufferable. Even her apology for it was cringe-inducing. Head firmly inserted up own's ass. I ignored her for the most part until she had that horrible horrible podcast wherein she expressed regret for never having had an abortion (no lie) and spent around two hours chastising women who DIDNT get abortions (no lie) or women who wanted babies....or wanted to be stay-home mothers...or wanted ANYTHING that SHE decided was not the RIGHT way to be a woman.

  

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204. "Excellent post"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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208. "Lena gon' Dunham"
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people's hatred for her tends to often feel extra, and she tends to often prove insufferable.

  

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209. "It's alot bigger than Lena Dunham."
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She's just a good mouthpiece for a toxic perception that's pretty widespread. Blaming men in general for rape. I don't know....this is touchy for me. I was victimized as a kid by a manipulator like HW and hearing that tape was disturbing. I resent that Ryan Gosling and other male associates of HW are blamed for his actions no matter how subtle and nuanced that blame is. It's just more poisonous ideology. If Ben or Matt was involved in any cover-up or enabling...then sure...they deserve contempt and possibly deserve to have their careers ended or altered depending on the extent of their involvement.

But all this phony hand-wringing rubs me the wrong way. If you're an associate of HW and you had nothing to do with his actions....then you should not be in anyone's ideological cross-heirs. Full stop. We really should stop fucking around with shit like this. It's not the 'men of hollywood's' fault that HW is a rapist.

I'd say the same thing if someone tried to subtly blame my daughter's muslim boyfriend for jihadist terrorism. Or if someone tried to subtly blame me for Dylan Roof. Or if someone tried to subtly blame Lena Dunham for American foreign policy. Stop the nonsense.

So Gosling says 'I'm deeply disappointed in myself'. Except what's the real message of that statement? For people like Dunham to say 'Wow, Ryan really gets it. He must be a pretty great guy for realizing that he should be disappointed in himself.' And so the real enemies are the guys who aren't disappointed in themselves? lol. It's like white privilege. So one guy acknowledges his white privilege and another guy doesn't. What's the difference? What does the one guy accomplish that the other guy doesn't?

I mean...we're essentially just requesting people make an empty symbolic gesture that doesns't actually DO anything. And the people smart enough to see how the game is being played will simply make the empty gestures and then point their fingers at the ones who don't. What's the point? There's NOTHING actually happening except for people deciding how they portray themselves. aka virtue signalling. And as a victim of this particular issue.....I get angry at this. I KNOW who's guilty for what happened to me. And I don't want any virtue-signalling male or finger-pointing feminist to say that it was partly the patriarchy and/or toxic masculinity that victimized me. I know my SO gets angry in a similar way to this stuff as it applies to race. When she can sense that a white person is trying to score meaningless, unproductive points with her (I soooo acknowledge my privilege) and then sensing that they are so pleased with themselves for doing it.

I don't know...I'm pretty far off on a tangent here.

Edit: I want to be clear that I'm not saying the concept of 'white privilege' is wrong or that it doesn't exist. What I object to is how these types of concepts are being used and how they're manifesting in these completely unproductive ways. The concept of 'white privilege' wasn't invented for woke white people to differentiate themselves from the 'bad' white people. And same thing with this toxic masculinity stuff. 'I disavow myself of Harvey Weinstein. I'm one of the good ones'. The narcissism is off-the-charts.

  

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210. "I can barely pay attention to the reactions"
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I've read the accounts of a lot of the women who were assaulted and propositioned, i'll def pay attention to what they have to say because they're the actual victims

but the feigned shock of guys like Damon, Afleck, and Tarantino.. or the right wing shit-for-brainers who think there's a left/right angle to this when the only real pattern here (Weinstein/Ailes/O'reilly/Trump/Cosby)is powerful men being predators and creeps

and yeah it gets to a point where now there's peer pressure for everyone in hollywood to make a statement to prove they're on the right side of this issue. if it's legit self reflection, that's a good thing, but much of it just feels like self-congratulatory noise.

If anyone deserves high praise it's Rose McGowan



  

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211. "Right."
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or the right wing shit-for-brainers who think
>there's a left/right angle to this when the only real pattern
>here (Weinstein/Ailes/O'reilly/Trump/Cosby)is powerful men
>being predators and creeps

I hadn't even considered this angle but I don't doubt they're pushing it. I guess it's a 'this is the product of liberal hollywood values' or something like that. Perhaps we can expect a Trump tweet: 'Liberals are the real rapists'.


  

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214. "They've been trying to push it all week"
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Weinstein was a bundler for the democratic party, so plenty of pictures of him with Hillary, and Obama, followed with "Why hasn't Hillary said anyt ....Well why did it take Hillary THREE days to say.."

The responses were easy enough. Stuff about Tucker Carlson talking about HW while he sits in O'reilly's chair, on Roger Ailes network.

I don't know if pussy grabber in chief has tweeted about it, but I would guess even he can see the obvious comeback. He probably also doesn't feel like there's anything wrong with what HW did.

  

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215. "not like this."
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you're advocating for silencing victims and those who would support victims. b/c you say if we can't suggest a solution to a cultural, systemic, institutional problem then we should just STFU and keep our 'empty gestures' to ourselves.

you've heard of 'rape culture'. it's a phrase thrown around by those dirty hippies on college campuses you seem to resent so much. you're participating in it w/this stance you're taking. you're maintaining it. or helping to.

anyway, the point of the phrase is that sexual abuse in all of its forms is pervasive and perpetrators have support throughout our society. the problem is bigger than any one of us. it's bigger than you or me. it's bigger than Harvey Weinstein.

check this out:

back in 2005, Courtney Love spoke out against Harvey Weinstein on the red carpet before Pamela Anderson's Comedy Central roast.

http://m.tmz.com/#!article/2017/10/14/courtney-love-harvey-weinstein-2005-warns-actresses-sexual-harassment/

she was asked to give advice to young women actors in Hollywood. she seems to check w/someone off-camera before she cautions that she could face a libel suit for saying it and then gives the warning about declining Weinstein's invitation to a private party at the Four Seasons (a swank hotel in Beverley Hills). then she ducks out.

Courtney says she was subsequently banned from Creative Artists Agency (one of the 2 big agencies that represent actors in Hollywood) b/c she spoke out against Harvey. <-- that's rape culture at work right there. that's Harvey being enabled right there. that's what kept victims silent. i dunno that Courtney was a victim but she seemed to be aware of Harvey's horror and for daring to say a little something about it on camera she says she lost the chance to be represented by an agency that gets gigs for actors. if she's right she lost out on the chance to land i dunno how many gigs b/c she spoke a couple of sentences of truth about Harvey.

i dunno if you can appreciate the weight of this problem. i know that you don't appreciate what's going on w/ppl saying they support those who've been victimized. you call that 'empty gestures'. they're anything but.

one reason ppl stay silent about sexual abuse is they fear no one cares. especially in a situation like the 'casting couch'. i mean, it even has a catchy name attached. look up and down this thread - more than one person has said something about either not caring or shrugging shoulders or something along the lines of 'thats just how it is'. not necessarily here b/c not even the worst of you motherfuckers isn't this terrible but some ppl out in the gen pop think these women were willing to fuck for a role and so they don't care about this Harvey thing. of course, those ppl miss the mark - coerced sex is rape. quid pro quo sex is rape. or at least it's non-consensual. there's a spectrum of rape and i put this shit on it. anyway, for those who think no one cares that they were raped it's good to know that if they come forward they CAN find support. they can find help. if they're struggling w/i-dunno-how-many problems as a result of the abuse there is help for them. there are resources. they aren't alone. being raped makes one feel very alone - very isolated. the expressions you write off as empty gestures are intended in part to counteract that feeling among victims to help them reach out to whomever to get help.

i don't mean to put you on defense - just to give another perspective.

i'm probably not reading your response if you make one.

fuck you.

  

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216. "believe women's accounts of rape/harrassment until there's reason not to"
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>Courtney says she was subsequently banned from Creative
>Artists Agency (one of the 2 big agencies that represent
>actors in Hollywood) b/c she spoke out against Harvey.

but Im skeptical here. it's possible, but Im sure Courtney Love is banned from many buildings for horrible behavior

  

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217. "Courtney never claimed she was abused by Harvey."
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instead she claims that she was penalized for speaking out about Weinstein's pattern of abuse.

indeed, in 2005 she DID make that statement warning young women to avoid accepting Harvey's invitation to a party at the Four Seasons. that fits the pattern Harvey used according to the stories we've heard recently.

Courtney says she was banned from CAA over this.

did she have other reasons for the possible ban? sure.

and this is how rape culture works.

as you know, it's how -isms work too.

like racism.

most often when we have some racist shit happen to us there are other possible explanations for why the bad thing happened that aren't necessarily about race.

this is how they do it to us.

it's a mind trick. it's gaslighting. they make you doubt your own instincts. they make you doubt your reality. they throw you off. they muddy the waters.

and they also use this to keep ppl silent. and/or to quell support.

don't fall for it.

fuck you.

  

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212. "fuck him and fuck everybody who bats for him"
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whether they're in the thread or on this site, or not.

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213. "Harvey Fierstein didn't do anything to anybody"
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besides, he's gay so there's that

https://pagesix.com/2017/10/09/harvey-fierstein-says-youve-got-the-wrong-harvey/

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218. "Yoooooo! Harvey went after Lupita? (SWIPE)"
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219. "and Tarantino admits he was complicit"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantino-weinstein.html

but fuck this since it took women coming out for him to feel bad

  

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220. "I'm so glad she came out with her experience"
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this part about her confusion with knowing how to read a man and a situation is so so real. Men know how to switch up. They turn different things off and on. Something that seemed like such a clear violation at one moment, but then later you doubt yourself...:

"He was charming and funny once more, and I felt confused about the discomfort I had previously experienced. I looked at the actress who I was informed had just worked with him on a project, searching her face for any sort of indication that she too had been made to feel uncomfortable by this powerful man, but of course I saw nothing. We did not stay very long because we had to catch a train back to New Haven. My friends had been equally charmed by Harvey. He knew when to turn it on if he wanted something. He was definitely a bully, but he could be really charming, which was disarming and confusing. I left feeling that perhaps he had learned my boundaries and was going to respect them."


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221. "This story further confirms that she is such a class act. Royalty. "
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Royalty, Royalty.


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223. "I heard that in Kendrick's voice..royalty royalty royalty! lol"
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224. "b/c she said 'no', right?"
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so she's still on a pedestal.

unlike any of the tramps and trollops who succumbed to the pressure.

i hope to be wrong and you're not one of those who blame the victims who acquiesced. b/c none of them made up the rules of the game to which they were subjected here. they were presented w/an awful choice that wasn't really a choice.

it's not unlike the Hunger Games. LOL. which maybe you didn't see but i'm not talking to you, Buddy so i don't care where you stand on any of this.

but in HG if a person is chosen to play the game - they can decline but then they're dead. if they choose to play the only way to win is to be the last surviving player. one can't just hide for the length of the game b/c it'll be manipulated to expose the player. the rules are constantly changing and the players have no control. they're at the mercy of the game and those who control it. they don't really have any choice.

no, the analogy ain't perfect and i don't care. it works for those who see it. lol

anyway, yeah Lupita is awesome but she took a huge risk that many other women have taken. she's not the only one who declined Harvey's offer or who said 'no' when faced w/that situation. most of the women who said 'no' didn't make it in Hollywood. Lupita was already lucky - she was a student at Yale Drama. so she already had som'n that most women who say 'no' there don't have. and you see Harvey was surprised she was able to make it. b/c most who said 'no' to him probably didn't make it.

so i would cautiously applaud Lupita but that's not the real point here. the real point is that she should never have had to make a choice like that. and the women who acquiesced shouldn't have had to make a choice like that either. it's not right. the focus needs to remain on the men who put those women in that position in the first place.

fuck you.

  

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a particular group of women


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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226. "You cats try waaay to hard to find the most fucked up interpretation "
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of everything I write.

What's funny is the first response is from an honest to gawd real life woman who didn't appear to interpret my post as shitting on women who did succumb to HW's demands (which of couse was not my intention at all). And Damali ain't one to tolerate anti-woman, slut shaming.

From the way the piece was written, to how she described how she stood her grand against him, she seems to carry herself with a regalness befitting of a queen.

If she had told HW to go fuck himself and threw a drink in his face, I would have thought good for her but I wouldn't use regal terms to describe those actions.

If she had actually slept with him to protect her career, I wouldn't have judged her for it. She did what she felt she had to do.

In all of those scenarios, HW is still a scumbag. Nothing changes that no matter how she responded.

I thought that we had firmly established that HW is a Piece of Shit. Let me know if you need me to start or end every post with a declaration of the foulness of HW before discussing other aspects of the issue.


Just a couple of quick notes below.



>so she's still on a pedestal.
>
>unlike any of the tramps and trollops who succumbed to the
>pressure.
>
>i hope to be wrong


no you don't. LOL.


and you're not one of those who blame the
>victims who acquiesced. b/c none of them made up the rules of
>the game to which they were subjected here. they were
>presented w/an awful choice that wasn't really a choice.
>
>it's not unlike the Hunger Games. LOL. which maybe you
>didn't see but i'm not talking to you, Buddy so i don't care
>where you stand on any of this.
>
>but in HG if a person is chosen to play the game - they can
>decline but then they're dead. if they choose to play the
>only way to win is to be the last surviving player. one can't
>just hide for the length of the game b/c it'll be manipulated
>to expose the player. the rules are constantly changing and
>the players have no control. they're at the mercy of the game
>and those who control it. they don't really have any choice.
>
>
>no, the analogy ain't perfect and i don't care. it works for
>those who see it. lol
>
>anyway, yeah Lupita is awesome


Why is she awesome? If you type all of those words to then ultimately compliment her for standing up to him aren't you doing what you accuse me of doing? Is it okay for you to do because you typed all these other words?



but she took a huge risk that
>many other women have taken. she's not the only one who
>declined Harvey's offer or who said 'no' when faced w/that
>situation. most of the women who said 'no' didn't make it in
>Hollywood. Lupita was already lucky - she was a student at
>Yale Drama. so she already had som'n that most women who say
>'no' there don't have. and you see Harvey was surprised she
>was able to make it. b/c most who said 'no' to him probably
>didn't make it.
>
>so i would cautiously applaud Lupita but that's not the real
>point here.

Again why are you applauding Lupita?

the real point is that she should never have had
>to make a choice like that. and the women who acquiesced
>shouldn't have had to make a choice like that either. it's
>not right. the focus needs to remain on the men who put those
>women in that position in the first place.

Family we are 200+ post in? Do you really think I don't agree with what you just wrote? Are you really getting mad because I don't sufficiently say how horrible piece of dog shit HW is before I speak on other aspects of this?

Come on mayne. It aint' got to be this way.



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229. "Cool."
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fuck you.

  

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222. "yes we test boundaries. boundaries vary by person though."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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227. "Memba when Harvey Weinstein was in that Barbie Cartoon?"
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Yes, this actually happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57LZnYI1rGo

read about it how it happened here.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/30/harvey-weinsteins-cameo-in-a-barbie-movie


Disclaimer for SoWhat: Harvey Weinstein continues to be a Piece of Shit. Horrible Man. I hope he goes to Prison. Fuck Him and Everything he stands for.





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228. "no, why would i remember that? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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234. "haha right?"
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230. "*returns the 50 cal to its holster*"
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Lol

fuck you.

  

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232. "See it worked though. "
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235. "i'm gonna try this strategy"
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*DISCLAIMER: Rape is a despicable act and all rapists should be thrown in jail*


*DISCLAIMERS DISCLAIMER: Sexual assault that isn't characterized as rape is despicable as well and all sexual assaulters should be punished with jail as well. No woman should be subjected to rape or sexual assault **


**DISCLAIMER FOR DISCLAIMERS DISCLAIMER: This does not mean that anything short of rape and sexual assault is okay. Women should be loved and respected...

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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237. "The question is can you put all those disclaimers and then be like"
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is it me or are more women into being choked during sex these days?




>*DISCLAIMER: Rape is a despicable act and all rapists should
>be thrown in jail*
>
>
>*DISCLAIMERS DISCLAIMER: Sexual assault that isn't
>characterized as rape is despicable as well and all sexual
>assaulters should be punished with jail as well. No woman
>should be subjected to rape or sexual assault **
>
>
>**DISCLAIMER FOR DISCLAIMERS DISCLAIMER: This does not mean
>that anything short of rape and sexual assault is okay. Women
>should be loved and respected...


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239. "I don't give a damn about a disclaimer."
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Your posts don't occur in a vacuum. I have an impression of 'you' based on my recollection of what I've read from you here. I've said b4 that it seems you employ Devils advocacy on issues where the Devils perspective is easily dismissed and sometimes I wonder if you're hiding your actual perspective behind that shit. I wonder if you're afraid of not being seen as a 'good guy' so you hide your abhorrent stances behind that Devils advocacy. But you say that's not what your doing when you ask offensive questions. I don't know that I believe you. But who cares? Lol

fuck you.

  

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241. "I am curious where you think I used Devil's Advocate to hide"
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an abhorrent view. Got examples?


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242. "scroll up."
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there's one in this post. we already went through that.

fuck you.

  

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231. "lololz"
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Disclaimer for SoWhat: Harvey Weinstein continues to be a Piece of Shit. Horrible Man. I hope he goes to Prison. Fuck Him and Everything he stands for.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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233. "these dudes yo.. lol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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236. "This nigga removed a tampon to perform unwanted oral sex on a lady"
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Dafuq

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/weinstein-accuser-forced-oral-sex-period-article-1.3585875

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has to change. Just vile behavior.

  

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240. "James Toback, a dude I've never heard of -- hundreds."
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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/10/selma-blair-and-rachel-mcadams-share-their-stories-of-james-toback-sexual-harassment



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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243. "the other day a man lawyer told a pregnant woman lawyer"
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something about her breasts growing as a result of the pregnancy. she is in the process of formalizing a complaint. i expect nothing will happen but she should make a record.

i had to explain to several coworkers why that was a violation. to talk to the woman in court about her breasts.

there's a long way to go.

fuck you.

  

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244. "whyyyyy would you think that was an ok thing to do"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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