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Subject: "in 2017, is there anyone close to being the equivalent of Muhammad Ali?" Previous topic | Next topic
BigJazz
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"Poll question: in 2017, is there anyone close to being the equivalent of Muhammad Ali?"


  

          

i said close. not exactly like. you can even go with the closest one if you think that person is more than halfway there.

and i'm thinking about Ali being the outspoken activist while also being a master of his craft.

if you feel like ain't nobody remotely close, why do you think that is?

Poll result (1 votes)
nah (0 votes)Vote
there is, and i can name them (0 votes)Vote
not yet, but i see potential in a few people (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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No Ali, No Kareem, No John Carlos, No Tommie Smith
Sep 27th 2017
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As an athlete/entertainer probably not...
Sep 27th 2017
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lol
Sep 27th 2017
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Nah, those guys pushed down a lot of walls tho
Sep 27th 2017
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it's hard to tell while still in the moment
Sep 27th 2017
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Not from the world of athletics. Any current athlete grew up knowing
Sep 27th 2017
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what athlete is going to be pressured to give up their sport these days?...
Sep 27th 2017
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how close is Jay Z?
Sep 27th 2017
7
close to being Boule, but that's about it
Sep 27th 2017
8
Harry Belafonte still breathing air
Sep 27th 2017
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      although true....does he or is he popular among regular old, erday
Sep 27th 2017
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           I'd argue that he doesn't need to be
Sep 27th 2017
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                gotcha... the question was/is surrounding the outspoken which is why
Sep 27th 2017
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                     And that's totally fair
Sep 27th 2017
14

MEAT
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Wed Sep-27-17 11:46 AM

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1. "No Ali, No Kareem, No John Carlos, No Tommie Smith"
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No Edwin Moses, No Roberto Clemente
Nobody close

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hip bopper
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Wed Sep-27-17 11:51 AM

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2. "As an athlete/entertainer probably not..."
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but Farrakhan is the main voice and has been for quite some time now.

Umar Johnson still has a ways to go in my opinion.

  

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MEAT
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Wed Sep-27-17 11:53 AM

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3. "lol"
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Wed Sep-27-17 11:58 AM by MEAT

  

          

You went from one post saying that black people need to come together to the next post saying that our most vocal leaders are misogynistic, predatory fools, that also openly reject the LGBTQ community (which black people are a part of)

Angela Davis is still walking this planet

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legsdiamond
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Wed Sep-27-17 11:57 AM

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4. "Nah, those guys pushed down a lot of walls tho"
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so I don't think it's possible to have one these days.

Kap is the closest thing we got but I don't think he has the charisma and charm of an Ali.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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sndesai1
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Wed Sep-27-17 11:58 AM

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5. "it's hard to tell while still in the moment"
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and the risk is never going to be as great for current greats as it was back then, but bron seem to be moving in that direction of dgaf

  

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soulfunk
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Wed Sep-27-17 11:59 AM

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6. "Not from the world of athletics. Any current athlete grew up knowing"
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that if they made it big in their sport, they would be RICH. And while they definitely love sports, at the point that they made it, they are unlikely to be wiling to give up all of that wealth because of principle.

You'll see athletes who have already made it and are well established take stands on issues, and you'll see other athletes who may not have made it to the very top take stands when the risk is low - either at the end of their careers or when other people are already taking that stand. But you'll never see something like Ali - at the TOP of his sport, risking and giving up everything because of principle.

  

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legsdiamond
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13. "what athlete is going to be pressured to give up their sport these days?..."
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I mean, it happened to Kaep and I think Abdul Rauff aka Chris Jackson had their careers shortened but it's not like any of them were being threatened with war or jail.

I think Serena has spoken on race a few times.

IMO its hard to compare eras because back then they were dealing with segregation and Jim Crow.

Now you can tweet or speak on something and at most you get a few people calling you names online.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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BigJazz
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Wed Sep-27-17 12:01 PM

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7. "how close is Jay Z?"
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Garhart Poppwell
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8. "close to being Boule, but that's about it"
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MEAT
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9. "Harry Belafonte still breathing air"
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ambient1
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10. "although true....does he or is he popular among regular old, erday "
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Black folks?

meaning....is he effective and connecting to them?

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MEAT
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11. "I'd argue that he doesn't need to be"
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That if someone wants to emulate his effectiveness he's still around to be a consultant and not the vehicle.

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ambient1
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12. "gotcha... the question was/is surrounding the outspoken which is why"
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i asked


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MEAT
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14. "And that's totally fair"
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When people evoke 30 years into his career Jay-Z in this context, I just default to all other entertainers. Jay-Z isn't taking public risks. He seems to prefer to be a silent benefactor and honestly that's ok, it's more impactful than anything I'm doing.

So if we're talking about today's entertainers who's activism is a bit risky. I think the closest thing we have is Chance.

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