I hate the fact that I went by this lot yesterday and it was a pop up dog park with the fence that like 20 white people were just going through.
It's a bit of the fact of how fucked up the u street area has become, how a certain demographic can just skirt nearly any laws, and how the police force just exists to protect their comfortability.
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1. "In 2001...." In response to Reply # 0 Thu Sep-21-17 02:28 PM by FLUIDJ
we were shopping for our first home. looked at a row house on the corner of U St & some number street..can't recall...actually it was about a block up from U St... Anyways... Joint was a wreck, uninhabitable... They were asking $230K...and we scoffed at the notion... Instead we purchase a townhouse in Mitchellville for $189K..... FFWD to now... The old house in Mitchellville that we purchased brand new for $189K, is now worth $195K...on a GOOD week.... The house on U St that we scoffed at??? LIkely worth no less that $1mill..... smh... We were young and dumb...
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
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3. "Man, I don't know what to call it. " In response to Reply # 2
The problem is when WE buy shit and sit on it the chances of it appraising like that are slim as fuck unless you hide when other white folks look at the house next door.
Charlotte isn't appreciating that much but there were definitely places in the hood where you can buy a 1200 sq ft shack for 100K and the price is now 350K.
But who the hell wants to take that gamble on their first home if they have kids?
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
64. "That's what a lot of my clientele does now" In response to Reply # 5
I've been at a title company for a number of years and a goon number of their clients have bought property to convert homes into condos (or build new ones from scratch). I've worked on both sides of H Street (301 H is one we handled, and a few down on Florida and Staples Street are our developers too. Quite a few others around the city that I'd have to look at)
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7. "Look like they completely gutted the place, and installed new everything" In response to Reply # 1
Not something for first time home buyers with kids (did y'all have the little ones back then). I saw a few similar places in Philly that in a few years will be 3-4X what they are now, but I needed a place to LIVE since I have a kids, career, hobbies, etc.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
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24. "bruh, we had a nice chunk of change back in 2008/09" In response to Reply # 22
and instead of buying a house or investing in the stock market after it crashed we moved to Brooklyn.
smh... a part of me still kicks myself for not thinking long term but then again, we got it right before the crash and coulda lost it all if we bought something before the bubble popped.
After it popped we weren't even thinking about home ownership until 2011. our home has appreciated 63% according to Redfin but I think we could've prolly taken more of a risk.
We passed on a home a little closer to uptown due to its layout but I bet money that house is prolly worth 3 times what it sold for and they are building 600K homes in that area.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
31. "I get kinda queasy thinking about dumb money decisions we made" In response to Reply # 24
over the past 18 years... The house we live in right now in Arlington..... joint sold for $210K in 2001... that's around the same time that we were looking to buy our first place. We WORKED in Arlington....but our dumb asses listened to the Black conventional wisdom of the time that said PG County MD was the place to be for upwardly mobile black folks....so that's where we took our money..... smh... bought the townhouse I mentioned above.. FFWD to 2009... we paid $500K for the house in Arlington that dude had purchased for 1/2 that just 4 years prior. And he hadn't done JACK shit to the place. It was in good condition and all..but still...dude doubled his money in 4 years.
This is why I get kinda twisted about the mentality that Black folks should always move together and clump into the same neighborhoods. Fiscally speaking that is.....
>and instead of buying a house or investing in the stock >market after it crashed we moved to Brooklyn. > >smh... a part of me still kicks myself for not thinking long >term but then again, we got it right before the crash and >coulda lost it all if we bought something before the bubble >popped. > >After it popped we weren't even thinking about home ownership >until 2011. our home has appreciated 63% according to Redfin >but I think we could've prolly taken more of a risk. > >We passed on a home a little closer to uptown due to its >layout but I bet money that house is prolly worth 3 times what >it sold for and they are building 600K homes in that area.
When we were looking for our place I was willing to take anything that had potential.
I scared our realtor when I asked her to give me the murder house. I would have taken it with blood still splatted on the walls if it meant it would be worth more later.
She almost passed her off to another agent after that.
40. "Inability to invest fuels income disparity" In response to Reply # 1
There are lots of places where we wish we could find $230-$300k to invest and hope that it will quadruple in 17 years. But that start up cash is why we can't.
Where were you supposed to live in the meantime? How would you get money for inevitable hiccups in remodeling? If you planned to have kids, where would the live?
You made the best decision for your reality. The sad part is our neighborhoods don't appreciate like they should, when they are predominantly black.
I knew U street was on the rise. The black people who I knew who could afford to buy were mainly gay, attorneys, single, and or already established in DC.
Any newcomer would really have to have a large down payment in order to buy at that time.
Having a big cash downpayment makes a big difference in what you can do as a young buyer.
>There are lots of places where we wish we could find >$230-$300k to invest and hope that it will quadruple in 17 >years. But that start up cash is why we can't. > >Where were you supposed to live in the meantime? >How would you get money for inevitable hiccups in remodeling? >If you planned to have kids, where would the live? > >You made the best decision for your reality. The sad part is >our neighborhoods don't appreciate like they should, when they >are predominantly black. > >I knew U street was on the rise. The black people who I knew >who could afford to buy were mainly gay, attorneys, single, >and or already established in DC. > >Any newcomer would really have to have a large down payment in >order to buy at that time. > >Having a big cash downpayment makes a big difference in what >you can do as a young buyer.
6. "In LA, i'm noticing Mid City is in the works" In response to Reply # 0
i drive through there on the way to work, if you drive down pico, you'll see things like an old school barber shop with a bunch of mansfield crips hanging out, next to some new organic whatever spot, white hipsters on bikes riding around. it's a trip how gradual it is.
Boyle Heights is going through it hard
Venice is going through it's second round, with the first round of gentrifiers now crying about being pushed out by the tech people.
Echo Park, Silverlake etc.. been gone.
I'm assuming Inglewood is also in the works with the stadium coming and another train.
16. "my grandparents owned duplexes in Boyle Heights" In response to Reply # 6
my uncle took care of the properties for them. We would go with my dad to help my grandpa do repairs. I think my grandpa bought them in the 60's. Well fast forward to 2003 and my grandma passes. The will stated to sell off everything and split the money equally. My dad was doing real estate then and told everyone else to hold off on selling both my grandparents house and the duplexes for a few years. Nobody listened. Sold the house for 250k. Those people sold it 3 years later for 500k. The duplexes were sold for like 600k and i dont even want to know what they are worth now.
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33. "any area close to downtown is prime for gentrification " In response to Reply # 19
In Miami, Beckham is trying to build his MLS stadium in Overtown there's already pioneer "luxury" condos and "artist" lofts on the fringes the main core is still a free-fire zone, but come back in 5 years after the stadium opens
8. "Can we have a meta discussion on the long-term effects of gentrification..." In response to Reply # 0 Thu Sep-21-17 03:39 PM by Kira
What happens when all the ethnic people are moved out completely? I am not ready to see a Brooklyn without black people. Imagine Seattle's central and international districts without POC. The same can be said of Portland.
If Gentrification hits Cleveland we about to clash for real. Real interested to see an enclave of $250,000 homes spread between St. Clair and Superior and the collective bird man hand rubs the wolves make as the process begins...
Do entrepeneurs understand the ultimate ramifications of their actions when they escalate these tactics?
Where do these people stripped of their legacies move to?
This can't be good for any of the local economies. Everyone can't pay $120K a year every year for a basic place to stay.
What do you think is the endgame and what's the next step in the gentrification takeover? Are they hitting up the Jewish communities next?
11. "😬 and how you gonna move without jobs?" In response to Reply # 8
Or if your service job stays but you get pushed out to a two hour commute. I don't know how it'll play in the the NE but in Houston and Dallas it's just endless sprawl.
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14. "RE: Can we have a meta discussion on the long-term effects of gentrifica..." In response to Reply # 8
>What happens when all the ethnic people are moved out >completely?
means look at 'them'...'they' the Captain now
>Do entrepeneurs understand the ultimate ramifications of their >actions when they escalate these tactics?
they trying to maximize their return on investment by any means necessary
> >Where do these people stripped of their legacies move to?
family...another under developed area
>This can't be good for any of the local economies. Everyone >can't pay $120K a year every year for a basic place to stay. > >What do you think is the endgame and what's the next step in >the gentrification takeover?
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25. "It's going to be like European cities; See Paris" In response to Reply # 8
The city itself will spread out from the absolute 1% in the center to middle/upper middle in the fringe...outside suburbs will be where they keep the darkies extra marginalized since it's harder for them to get to the job center and out of site, out of mind.
At least during white flight there was SOMEWHAT of a forced interaction since minorities weren;t necessarily locked out of the job centers. So what's funny is all those things put into place to keep the suburbs safe from the poors traveling to them will work just as good the opposite way (high public transpo prices, cars being necessary to even get to suburban public transpo, etc)
10. "Dog parks seem like a hostile place for "locals"" In response to Reply # 0
I get the most hostile looks when walking by dog parks (and gentrified playgrounds). People will be laughing and joking with someone, big smiles, then they make eye contact with me and their ENTIRE facial expression changes. They minus well put up a big sign that says:
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
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38. "this is why gentrification can eat a dick" In response to Reply # 30
folks move in and want to change the whole culture of the neighborhood.
fuckers are scared to play with Black and Brown folk...smh.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
15. "then don't ever move to oakland, bro. " In response to Reply # 0 Thu Sep-21-17 04:16 PM by Flash80
you'll wanna blow your brains out before you make it to 6 months.
for face value i don't have a problem with people moving where they want to. it's the associated air of smugness/inconsideration/aloofness that seems to come along with it that i have a problem with.
example: when i moved to my neighborhood 8 years agao, it was mostly a 35-and-over crowd... a good amount being black and white folk baby boomers. everybody said hi to each other. had a fedex package in the lobby that you didn't know about? folks would bring it to you.
then...
out-of-state hipste gentrifyers started moving in.
- letting their dogs shit in the park w/out picking it, despite bag dispensers everywhere.
- not saying hi and staring empty-eyed even after being told hi first.
- blasting music... pulling in @ 2am, walking up the street and yelling like they're still in the bar. nigga... some of us are trying to sleep.
17. "Even though you're a 9ers fan and your organization is shit for the Kaep..." In response to Reply # 15
>you'll wanna blow your brains out before you make it to 6 >months. > >for face value i don't have a problem with people moving where >they want to. it's the associated air of >smugness/inconsideration/aloofness that seems to come along >with it that i have a problem with. > >example: when i moved to my neighborhood 8 years agao, it was >mostly a 35-and-over crowd... a good amount being black and >white folk baby boomers. everybody said hi to each other. had >a fedex package in the lobby that you didn't know about? folks >would bring it to you. > >then... > >out-of-state hipste gentrifyers started moving in. > >- letting their dogs shit in the park w/out picking it, >despite bag dispensers everywhere. > >- not saying hi and staring empty-eyed even after being told >hi first. > >- blasting music... pulling in @ 2am, walking up the street >and yelling like they're still in the bar. nigga... some of us >are trying to sleep. > >i cannot wait for next recession! > >old man rant #349834 finished. >
^^^ I FUCKS WITH ALL THIS, minus those New York rent prices. I know some people, NOT ME OF COURSE because I'm a pillar of the community bout that Jesus, that cannot wait for the recession to hit so they can retake these neighborhoods. They know exactly who to "encourage" to relocate to a far more suitable location once the rent prices decrease as a result of the recession. It's going to come within eight years due to Trump's policies and this administration's hardline stance on student loan debt. Landlords are getting a "positive pep talk" as well.
Gentrifiers are the fucking worst. They brought in increased police presence and have the unmitigated gall to act like they own everything. Never have I wanted to "engage in dialogue" with another group of people more than them.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
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26. "anyone know a Black fam who came up due to gentrification? " In response to Reply # 0
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
27. "I get ya point MEAT. Its not even gentrification" In response to Reply # 0
Its the wink and a nod at the different treatment. Last ticket I got during stop and frisk era was me waking out of a bank, hopping on my bike for 10 feet off a sidewalk into the street at like 2 miles an hour. The officer couldn't even fill out the ticket because they didn't know the code for riding a bike on a sidewalk..they just wanted to run me through the system and fuck with me.
Same neighborhood I see white bike riders sidewalk riding all the time past cops, they don't even look up, lol.
28. "I'm convinced that Frisbee leagues exist for de-facto segregation" In response to Reply # 0
Frisbee leagues seem to be a gentrifier's *wink & nod* activity, because they know black, hispanic & native white people ain't playing that shit. I'm seeing more and more parks taken over by folks that look suspiciously like gentrifiers. Mofos looking nervous walking from their car to the park, then get all "Hey, Pat! How are you!" when they get to the field. They seem very insular too, like they'd tell me "uh, league's closed" if I tried to join.
Just some random thoughts I had as I was doing pullups in the part last night while this frisbee game was going on.
32. "What makes some cities ripe for gentrification and others not?" In response to Reply # 0 Fri Sep-22-17 10:01 AM by Overqualified
I look at what's happened in DC and wonder why that hasn't happened by and large somewhere like Baltimore which is a stones throw away. Proximity to jobs? Government that makes concessions in the name of "progress"? I just moved back to the area after a good amount of time away, and things for the most part in Baltimore are pretty much how I left them, but DC is unrecognizable (both good and bad). I even looked at moving into that building in the background of your screen cap.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Fri Sep-22-17 09:40 AM
37. "govt jobs yo.. they pay well. " In response to Reply # 32 Fri Sep-22-17 09:42 AM by legsdiamond
and I think it's a case of Black and Brown folks moving further away from the city that has people flocking back to the city.
also, I bet if Charter schools stopped operating folks would dip fast as fuck.
Charlotte is seeing all types of gentrification. When I used to drive for Uber I would drive through the hood and it's all black everything and rough as shit and then all a sudden... ALL NEW EVERYTHING and luxury condos in the middle of the hood.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79607 posts
Fri Sep-22-17 10:26 AM
45. "it's more than that... has to be. " In response to Reply # 41
cause for years folks got jobs and moved to the burbs for good schools.
now they flocking to small ass houses in the city and paying 3X's what they would pay with a 30 minute commute.
something else has to be at play.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
47. "Well, there's the 'coolness' of the city." In response to Reply # 45 Fri Sep-22-17 10:35 AM by flipnile
No matter how much people try to hype up the suburbs, they just aren't fun or interesting.
You can walk/bike/transit to bars, clubs & restaurants. Not as many complaining-ass neighbors complaining about dumb shit. People can do what they want without it being "weird." All sorts of events, museums, parks, galleries, etc. All relatively close. Also, the freedom from suburban gossip & whatever other insular dumb shit they have going on out there.
52. "That's kind of what I'm getting at. Those places were always "safe" " In response to Reply # 46
The turn in the market has just pushed them further along. Like, at least for Baltimore, places that have proximity to other things - Hopkins/Water will always be safe bets. But the actual "neighborhoods" are kind of left to their own devices. What separates a Brookland in DC from a Northwood or Pimlico in Baltimore?The development in Baltimore just seems to be spotty and have an eternal "coming soon" sign. Howard and Fayette streets, smack in the middle of downtown immediately come to mind.
57. "Branding, city planning and management are important" In response to Reply # 52 Fri Sep-22-17 05:13 PM by Cocobrotha2
>The turn in the market has just pushed them further along. >Like, at least for Baltimore, places that have proximity to >other things - Hopkins/Water will always be safe bets. But the >actual "neighborhoods" are kind of left to their own devices. >What separates a Brookland in DC from a Northwood or Pimlico >in Baltimore?The development in Baltimore just seems to be >spotty and have an eternal "coming soon" sign. Howard and >Fayette streets, smack in the middle of downtown immediately >come to mind.
While I don't know Baltimore nearly as well, I feel confident in saying that the reason DC has gentrified so thoroughly is because even though white families and their wealth fled the city for decades, they never went very far because DC is still the seat of federal government, making it a destination for the world's politicians, bureaucrats, lawyers and all the people that cater to them.
When the signal went up that the city was open for business again (alot of it due to Anthony Williams cleaning up the city's finances, improving city services and also reversing the populism and patronage of the Barry years ), the money streamed back in.
what's Baltimore's claim to fame now? And what is the city government doing to make it an attractive place for people to live and for companies to invest?
I know big sections of the city have been basically given to JHU and Under Armor but I think the city needs something else to really improve it's brand nationally and internationally.
IMO, the city's image in the DMV area is this low-priced, funky town with character that you visit every once in awhile for crabs, PBR, and Orioles games. People that live there seem to love living there but what's going to motivate people from across the nation to move there? (Or even county people to move into city limits?)
49. "transit/reduced commute time" In response to Reply # 32
A lot of cities that have gentrified have decent public transit some millenial hipsters don't even own cars, just bike/train/uber everywhere for some the higher costs of gentrified city living are worth the reduced rush hour headache and soul killing traffic
53. "Urban living is more fun!" In response to Reply # 32
I love living in the city. I can walk to the library, walk to yoga and walk to the park. I still have to drive to a grocery store. But if I could walk to a grocery store, my life would be perfect.
Even suburbs with an urban design are more fun. (Reston,VA or Silver Spring, MD)
I agree that if you are gay, interracial, insert non-norm identity, the suburbs can feel like conforming.
I have no desire to live in the suburbs and I have a child. So I am sure there are more people like me.
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