My experience is to come with cash so I don't have to deal with a card. I split the check equally regardless of what I've had or didn't have.

Now with that being said and including the stress & bullshit factor, I have a dilemma.

Hubby and I rented a house large enough for all our family members - his side and mines.

First mistake.

Then we had to help everyone make travel arrangements.

Second mistake.

Now we're talking about how to split the check for groceries for the extended weekend.

Our idea was to have everyone 'host' a meal. That person/s (if they want to group up with someone else) buys the stuff to feed everyone for that specific meal. Then you don't have to be financially responsible for anything else except for when we go out to eat - which is only going to be 1 or 2x. I'm by no means thinking gourmet, but you can easily throw together a spaghetti meal and it's relatively cheap.

My mom flipped and said she's not going to pay for anybody else. She said they are all adults and can fend for themselves.

Hubby's cousin doesn't think it's fair because she didn't budget to feed 'everyone'. Mind you she's so called budgeting for herself, husband and kid.

Oh and outside of food there are no other activities that require money of any kind.

What's a good solution?

lol.

Venmo if you want to split the cost. Someone buy all the groceries and then split the cost evenly after the fact

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But no...everybody feel some type of way and it's been all blown to shit.

This whole episode seems personality based.

Im sorry.

I don't have any advice, but I just...sympathize on traveling with people who aren't flexible to bend to the greater good.

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

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I ain't lyin. This shit i'm making up is true...

if I do its really loose. We are going to be here on this date at this time. You can find tickets here and lodging here. Let me know if you guys want to meet up. People are petty as shit and I wont let them ruin my good time.

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so no one is being asking for any other monies besides food

While on the surface it's probably a good idea I can see how it would cause problems if I'm on a budget and only expected to feed my immediate family.

and newsflash for you rich OKP's. Some of your family members arent balling so instead of being an asshole how about letting folk operate how they normally operate instead of putting them on blast.

This isn't directed at the OP but in general.

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>While on the surface it's probably a good idea I can see how
>it would cause problems if I'm on a budget and only expected
>to feed my immediate family.

I just know that since hubby and I footed the bill on just about everything else, we should be able to ask everyone else to put in on food. We're not asking for anything else.

>and newsflash for you rich OKP's. Some of your family members
>arent balling so instead of being an asshole how about letting
>folk operate how they normally operate instead of putting them
>on blast.

Ok. I can't even with this bullshit.
Fucking rich? I can't I just can't

People are in here on some "I don't travel with broke people" bullshit. Well that's not how shit works when you have fam that's broke or real close to broke.

Hit dogs tho

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>People are in here on some "I don't travel with broke people"
>bullshit. Well that's not how shit works when you have fam
>that's broke or real close to broke.
>
>Hit dogs tho

no hit dog
I dont travel with my family
Ill either visit them where they live/hometown/or my city
outside of that nope
learned my lesson

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Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

you know your fam better than I do but I feel like we all know our family and should be smart enough to know what works and what will cause issues.

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im good
they wouldnt even come to vegas for my wedding lol

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Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

j/k

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OP is being generous as hell renting the place but she also knows her family. You have to go to the brokest family member first to see if it will fly. LOL.

Shit prolly will end up being cheaper but when you say 10 folks those family members flip the fuck out cause they don't normally buy meals for 10 people.

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I don't know them.

I've always known my mom to lay out a spread for a bunch of folks with no hesitation. So I didn't see that one coming.

His family they are different overall, so I didn't know what to expect from them. They claim broke once and went out and bought a dog, they said they couldn't afford something but they go a add on to the house.

So I call bullshit.

Even if no likes any one it's enough room in the house where people can find a quiet room and never be bothered for the whole weekend.

Should be a fun weekend if they can get past this little hiccup

Maybe it's because y'all rented the house and now they feel like you are making all the rules?

Good luck. I love when family gets together in a big house. We are renting one for Christmas in Pittsburgh. We usually eat out but we have one huge dinner and eat off that for the rest of the holiday.

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that would't fly for me anyway. let people fend for themselves. buy some basic shit for breakfast that everyone can share and then let everyone figure out lunch and dinner on their own. if they all want to bbq or something then everyone puts in

and asking each "family unit" to contribute like $50?
and everyone pays for their own meals when eating out?
cause you are just talking 3 breakfasts and 2 lunches/dinners inside the house
buy lunch meat, cereal, spaghetti, and a whole chicken
what is that? $300-400
if you get $200 from family that will help

They got bologna and cheese with no fixings and want your ham, roast beef,tomatoes, mayo, mutrd, pickels etc etc

oh yall got drink..we forgot


can I have someof yalls chips?


>My experience is to come with cash so I don't have to deal
>with a card. I split the check equally regardless of what
>I've had or didn't have.
>
>Now with that being said and including the stress & bullshit
>factor, I have a dilemma.
>
>Hubby and I rented a house large enough for all our family
>members - his side and mines.
>
>First mistake.
>
>Then we had to help everyone make travel arrangements.
>
>Second mistake.
>
>Now we're talking about how to split the check for groceries
>for the extended weekend.
>
>Our idea was to have everyone 'host' a meal. That person/s
>(if they want to group up with someone else) buys the stuff to
>feed everyone for that specific meal. Then you don't have to
>be financially responsible for anything else except for when
>we go out to eat - which is only going to be 1 or 2x. I'm by
>no means thinking gourmet, but you can easily throw together a
>spaghetti meal and it's relatively cheap.
>
>My mom flipped and said she's not going to pay for anybody
>else. She said they are all adults and can fend for
>themselves.
>
>Hubby's cousin doesn't think it's fair because she didn't
>budget to feed 'everyone'. Mind you she's so called budgeting
>for herself, husband and kid.
>
>Oh and outside of food there are no other activities that
>require money of any kind.
>
>What's a good solution?
>
>
>
>

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Didn't realize it was time for this post again already. Haha

Edit: this one had a different twist. My bad, I didn't read it earlier. That's not a bad idea for the meal splitting. Folks can get away with not spending a lot on their meal if they just want to keep it simple. Coordinating that many people for that many days would definitely be a bit of a headache, especially if it's not something the group does regularly where a pattern and norms have been established.

spaghetti noodles with butter and salt and shit...

hot water soup..

hotpocket breakfastesses

edit: I don't want no struggle meals unless I prepare them and lower my taste buds expectations.

Also, it sounds like these folks may have never been in the same house before. I think it's best to let folks get together, chill and make decisions themselves once they are in the house.

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i wouldn't take a trip like that with people that don't normally get together and do things. i know you gotta start somewhere, but maybe not an overnight/extended trip where everyone is in the same house. that's a lot.

like. Who idea was it to rent the house? I'm thinking people weren't given enough detail.

In my experience, there would be less resistance when details are provided beforehand. Personally, I would provide all the food, cook and perhaps, one of the days asks if anyone would like to cook. Damn, you should have hired me lol

now that's what I'm talking about


prolly can't cook for shit tho j/k

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I can cook..
I just don't make traditional dishes
you gonna get it any where I'm hosting

excuse the boast...

you about to be on and popping.

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This is how I see it:

Y'all copped the house. So they getting a free ride there.

Make them put in for food and provide a 'small' list of things they'd like to eat for breakfast and lunch.

Most people can get a reasonable lunch/breakfast for $15-20 total so multiply that by however many days you all are staying (so if it's 4 days, $15 x 4 for singles and $20 for families).

Go grocery shopping before you go and then commit to scheduling out each breakfast (either cook it or determine a menu...lunch can be sammiches, breakfast can be cereal or whatever you elect to cook).

If anybody gripes about having their breakfast/lunch dictated to them, tell them they can commit to cooking a meal but it'll be for the whole house so everyone can eat fairly.

It's either this or you dictate what everyone brings and how much of it.

Mom - drinks: 3 cases of sparkling water, couple bottles of wine, pack of juice boxes for the kids, OJ
Hubby's Bro's family - breakfast food: 3 packs of bacon, 2 cartons of eggs, box of oatmeal, grits and/or rice
Your sister's family - Lunch food: ham, turkey, cheese, condiments, bread, pickles, etc.

I've learned that people need a clear plan and justification (y'all paid for the room and covered all other expenses). If they get aggy, leave 'em home and invite a willing participant. lol

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If somebody covering, it's downright crass to not expect to pitch in or at least offer.

We were thinking of doing Disney with my sister/her daughter and my wife's best friends family (3 total).

We were gonna cover the bulk of the trip (hotel, park passes, extra transpo in Orl if needed). All we told them to cover was airfare and food for their family. But we had every right to say, since we getting the rooms (for a group that big for the length of time we were staying, bill would have been just south of 20 stacks, we were trying to get the mega suite with multiple rooms for a large group), y'all cover our food (there's 6 people in my fam that would have gone on the trip lol)

No matter how much we ate that week, it would have paled in comparison to them copping a resort room, paying for park hopper passes (with the fast past joints so no long lines) and transpo.

Airfare + food is nothing compared. We ended up postponing the trip though.

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of course a few of them are going to be crass just cause.

and it doesn't matter how much you are paying, when you hold it over someone's head they are going to feel some type of way.

I said up above even if splitting the meals is cheaper folks will still be in their feelings because it feels like they are being dictated on what to eat or how to spend their money.

best best is eggs, cheese, bacon/sausage/toast and some deli meat and bread for lunch. Let folks handle it how they want to handle it.

family gets real funny when the person with deep pockets pays up front but also wants to tell folks how to spend their money.

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if you aren't at least offering to contribute, you won't get another invite from me. At least not one where I cover the heavy lifting.

The way I see it is, if I'm inviting you on an experience you couldn't afford otherwise, put your ego aside if you accept the invite and at least OFFER to contribute. If I give you a parameter (which I know most of their financial sitch anyway and wouldn't ask them to go above their means) then by all means, meet that parameter.

But to get all "I ain't feeding everybody" when we're in essence paying your way, is just poor show to me and it wouldn't endure you to us the next time we feel generous.

Better approach is to ask a few questions around cost and how the other meals get covered. if it's something they 'can't' do, fine, but 'won't do' is a whole lot of extra.

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Uncle Kenny ain't chipping in so if you invite Uncle Kenny... you shouldn't be all "how dare he"

that's why I made the post about OKP's being on that bullshit.

don't look down on fam that you invited and you know how they get down.

OP says she never met some of these people but her husband prolly knew a few of them roll a certain type of way.

and I agree with folks cause it's actually not wrong to expect these things from any reasonable person but family usually isn't reasonable.

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unless I know his situation couldn't afford to assist. But if Uncle Kenny got a boat and a vacation home, he can kick rocks.

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No one can say they didn't have time to save cuz we've been planning this since March.

All they had to do was cover travel. We literally looked at a map and picked a central location so no one could say they came a further distance than the other person.

It's just food and no one is asking for gourmet.

At this point I'm going to give out directions to the grocery store, buy what you want and put your name on your food.

When they see us eating good and want to get a taste I'll tell them deuces.

selfless should beget selfless

when selfish is the result: "cool, do you"

But you know how that's gonna go when they see y'all got the hook up-hot meals and they cold cutting it. Times 2 if young kids are involved "Mommy, why can't we have what THEY have?".

People will cut off their nose to spite their face I tell ya.

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I hope that doesn't offend you but, you can't be telling folks stuff at the last minutes...especially black folks.

we gotta move money around LOL

You really think it's fair to tell everyone they come for a gathering, but pay for every meal out?

If you pay once for a group, then go to a restaurant 1 maybe 2x it comes out way cheaper.

We didn't talk about money for the house in March either, but nobody is asking to help out. So we should just assume that everyone should depend on us to provide everything?

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Assuming it was your (and husband) idea...its the same as if you invited folks to your place. I think you're getting push back because they weren't told this information beforehand. It may not even be about the cost or helping but the lack of details.

if the goal is for everyone to have a good time - suck it up.

I don't think anyone expect to be fed and housed for free. You're from Buffalo tho so maybe that's why.

I just think people expected to fend for themselves and not be expected to cover a 10 plate meal.

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fending for yourself and just your family doesn't even sound right
((WE'RE FAMILY)))
got dam
it defeats the purpose of staying in one house

didnt u niggas see soul food
Had you no big mama

FOH
cancel the trip

>FOH
>cancel the trip

If it wasn't non-refundable (at this point) I would have a while ago.

When we get a house we kick in for one huge meal but it's usually around Christmas or Thanksgiving

Besides that we are eating out and more than likely we pay for our individual families when we eat out.

it always works out in the end and there aren't never any hard feelings.

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And the more people you have, the more basic it has to be... lowest common denominator. Eggs, toast, maybe some fruit and cereal for breakfast. Sandwiches, pasta or ordering pizza for other meals. Random fruit or other stuff for snacks.

If folks want to get fancy, they can go out and have a fancy meal on their own ... but everyone contributes to the basic meal plan because, in my experience, just about everyone is going to eat several of those basic meals just out of convenience and wanting to be part of the group.

You've gotta make it basically all-inclusive (but cheap) or else the group is going to start to segregate based on finances.

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i'd mentally calculate what i had and add $20 on top of that and toss the cash on the table.

at that point, i'm out of the conversation. y'all split hairs if you wanna. tawmbout ALL I HAD WAS THE WINGS.

folks don't always know what it's like to have a good time so you have to show them.

<--- Big Baller World Order

thank goodness most waiters ask before taking orders these days.

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In a lot of countries (most?), restaurants aren't going to bother with individual checks; if you're lucky, they'll split it in half, equally, but generally there's one bill.

I experienced this in Colombia for a friends bachelor party. Eight or nine of us went out to restaurant the first night and had some great meals. The check came to the table and folks started fumbling for there credit cards but our host told us that most restaurants there aren't doing individual checks.

Turned out the entire bill was $200 though! For $10 people having steaks!.. So one person took care of it and didn't *have to* pick up another check the rest of the trip (they only dug in their pockets again later in the trip bc one of the guys had a Discover card and nobody would take it).

So yeah, if you end up on an international group trip, definitely think about this issue. Bring some cash to kick to the person covering the bill or be ready to pick up a bill too.

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Somebody is gonna take a loss...

I went on a family trip one year and we all split the bill evenly for the food for the week.

Well,

My cousins big head kids get up in the morning and will eat a whole box of cereal and then sit down for pancakes and sausage with the family later...

you just have to chalk it up... best thing to do is buy the basics and split that evenly then when you want something special go out and buy that on your own...

just know that anything in the fridge is fair game

You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

I don't have to deal with this type of bullshit.

>I don't have to deal with this type of bullshit.



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

these niggas don't really rock with Black folk like that...lol

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Coolin...

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Shit sounds terrible.

I think rchick is the one who said she doesn't speak to Black people at work too.

Shit is wild.

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My other ethnic friends are much more dependable.

family tho... it is what it is.

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Make a nightly meal plan.
Set up a list of required items.
Ask folks to volunteer to bring stuff from the list, like a registry almost...
But let them know if the list isn't filled, then that particular dish isn't gonna happen.

Just a suggestion.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ig5vcY9R50

THIS SHIT AINT FREEEE

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good luck lol

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

makes check splitting pretty simple if you got Venmo

I mean, we have one but the thought of swiping for friends seems rather weird.

Damn, maybe we should keep it with us at all times. Next time someone says they only have a card... lmao, I bet they will look at us like "Whoa!!! I mean my OTHER card"

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Shit had me laughin so hard I had
ta share it on FB.

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"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

and pay for everything or don't do it at all. Trying to do something like this with a large group of people is always challenging. Trying to do it with a large group of FAMILY is nearly impossible.

That's one of those things that sounds like a good idea on paper but is a terrible idea in real life.

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... mention having dinner "out" together at a point or two, but otherwise, you buy what you eat... Respect other peoples stuff and try to enjoy yourselves

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So the trip was horrible.

We split the cost of the food and no one said anything - at the time.

Except....

Husband's cousin saw the grocery bill, around $80 (split that by 9 people covering the cost of breakfast and dinner for one day), and thought I paid too much. Early afternoon that day I take a nap and she dips out with the groceries I just bought. Why? She returned them to the grocery store. She then trekked 30 minutes away (one way) to specifically go to Aldi. Ended up spending more money and had the nerve to buy alcohol (fucking swill) expecting everyone to pay for that as well.

Other things that happened:
MIL is a narcissist and made side comments about my kid and my parenting style. He's FUCKING 2 and if he doesn't eat everything on his plate I don't care just so long as he eats.

Husband's cousin brought her teenage daughter that complained about the wi-fi the whole weekend. Also claimed she was narcoleptic and spent the nights going throughout the house making noise (like going through the cabinets in the kitchen) or watching the tv on blast. We took her to the movies and she talked through the whole thing.

My mom pulled my sister and I into her room and wanted to review her wishes upon death. My mother is not sick and has no real health issues. I told my mom that we've talked about this a million times, so I know what she wants. However, my sister never heard 'the talk' before. So that ended in sister talking about how much will she get when my mom dies - no other concerns whatsoever.

My sister wants to have a kid, but doesn't want to be a spinster. She goes on and on about the guy she's dating in a wheelchair or adopting a kid.

I drugged my kid with Benedryl hoping he would sleep through the flight. Nope. He slept for all of 45ish minutes and then proceeded to scream off and on for the remainder.

My phone died on the plane and my kid occupied my ipad (of course). I figured I would get in a nap (if my kid wasn't crying). Nope. My kid would see my eyes closed and shout my name really loud and slap my leg til I woke up.

We got to the airport and forgot where we parked. It took us about 30 minutes of going through floor after floor of the parking structures to find it.

It was a mess and I'm so glad it's over.

I'll never do that shit again.

Lol

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>Husband's cousin saw the grocery bill, around $80 (split that
>by 9 people covering the cost of breakfast and dinner for one
>day), and thought I paid too much. Early afternoon that day I
>take a nap and she dips out with the groceries I just bought.
>Why? She returned them to the grocery store. She then
>trekked 30 minutes away (one way) to specifically go to Aldi.
>Ended up spending more money and had the nerve to buy alcohol
>(fucking swill) expecting everyone to pay for that as well.
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