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"Have y'all been keeping up with this Kenneka Jenkins case?"


  

          

The 19 year-old girl found dead in a freezer in a Chicago hotel?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kenneka-jenkins-hotel-freezer-timeline-20170912-story.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-track-friends-kenneka-jenkins-article-1.3492699

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-kenneka-jenkins-dahleen-glanton-met-20170913-column.html

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Yea, something aint right
Sep 14th 2017
1
how the hell do you leave with her car.. but without her?
Sep 14th 2017
2
did one of the articles specifically say they left in her car?
Sep 14th 2017
3
      ionno.. but it reads like they left.
Sep 14th 2017
7
is it just speculation that the friends had something to do with it?
Sep 14th 2017
4
at this point i think that's a given. it's just to what extent
Sep 14th 2017
5
      yeah i know it looked like they did
Sep 14th 2017
6
Mods, can I post the 29 minute speculation video?
Sep 14th 2017
8
i saw a video on twitter
Sep 14th 2017
9
Ehh, id err on the not side
Sep 14th 2017
12
goodness, that is heart-breaking....
Sep 14th 2017
10
Liam Nelson wouldn't have shit on me bruh
Sep 14th 2017
11
I know Black folk mind is to go to the most nefarious outcome
Sep 14th 2017
13
RE: I know Black folk mind is to go to the most nefarious outcome
Sep 14th 2017
16
In the end it won't be malicious, but it's gonna be dumb and selfish
Sep 14th 2017
14
This is my feeling too.
Sep 14th 2017
15
      Booze, drugs, 19?? Real easy to lose track of someone
Sep 14th 2017
20
They say there's video of her wandering in alone
Sep 14th 2017
17
damn. n/m
Sep 14th 2017
18
the whole thing is bizarre on many levels.
Sep 14th 2017
19
according to the moms videos
Sep 15th 2017
21
Everybody was seizing on this. It's like they wanted her to be killed.
Sep 15th 2017
22
      The hotel dug its own grave as far as litigation
Sep 15th 2017
23
           Wait, unless she booked a room there
Sep 15th 2017
24
           I 'm no attorney, but I sell liability insurance for a living.
Sep 18th 2017
32
           the hotel allowed the girl and allows others to enter the hotel
Sep 18th 2017
36
           I think the hotel would only be liable if the freezer locks from the
Sep 15th 2017
25
                I thought they got rid of those freezers that lock from the inside
Sep 15th 2017
26
                It's hard to believe she passed out in a freezer and didn't leave
Sep 15th 2017
27
                     if she was stumbling and it was dark?
Sep 15th 2017
28
                          Yeah, any of that could have happened.
Sep 15th 2017
29
                               I wouldn't want to believe my daughter died like that
Sep 15th 2017
30
                i think the hotel could've/should've looked for the girl.
Sep 18th 2017
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                     I agree with you. I also wonder if the hotel rented rooms to
Sep 18th 2017
38
                          i don't think a person needs to be over age 18 to rent a room?
Sep 18th 2017
40
                               I think of a swimming pool at a hotel.
Sep 18th 2017
42
                                    RE: I think of a swimming pool at a hotel.
Sep 18th 2017
43
                                         RE: I think of a swimming pool at a hotel.
Sep 19th 2017
48
                                              agreed.
Sep 19th 2017
50
                                                   You can never tell; anecdotally, I've had clients with similar experienc...
Sep 19th 2017
52
how long can you survive in a freezer?
Sep 15th 2017
31
Should be at least 12 to 24 hours
Sep 18th 2017
33
Hmmmm....I mean maaaaaaaybe. Not if you pass out though
Sep 19th 2017
60
Inappropriate place for a Ted Williams joke? Yes or No?
Sep 18th 2017
34
the hotel needs to STFU.
Sep 18th 2017
35
I hear you but at this point I don't know if its clear that the
Sep 18th 2017
39
no, guy.
Sep 18th 2017
41
      i thought the police recording said her body was frozen
Sep 18th 2017
47
           Maybe, doesn't mean she froze to death though.
Sep 19th 2017
54
Everything is just sketchy
Sep 18th 2017
44
      i dunno if that kitchen was in use or what.
Sep 18th 2017
45
      That's where I have confusion
Sep 18th 2017
46
           RE: That's where I have confusion
Sep 19th 2017
56
      Not hard to walk into a kitchen of a hotel
Sep 19th 2017
49
           i've heard someone else say that.
Sep 19th 2017
51
           Yeah its not even hard to get into hotel pools when closed
Sep 19th 2017
55
                Common sense and personal responsibility go out the window
Sep 19th 2017
57
                i'm a 41 yr old dude and i'm surprised that hotel freezer
Sep 19th 2017
58
                     Agreed i think someone will pay
Sep 19th 2017
59
           It's funny because I remember my brother and I would wander
Sep 19th 2017
53
Death ruled an accident. She died of hypothermia.
Oct 07th 2017
61
was there any evidence of Kenneka walking into the freezer?
Oct 08th 2017
62
      They didn't specify. May not have been cameras there.
Oct 09th 2017
63

bnicedh
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1. "Yea, something aint right"
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So the camera's leading to where she was found just happen to be the only one's not working!?!?

  

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legsdiamond
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2. "how the hell do you leave with her car.. but without her? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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3. "did one of the articles specifically say they left in her car?"
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i read it as they were calling from her car and they had her cell phone. And then the fam came to the hotel. It didn't say they actually left...unless you read something different.

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7. "ionno.. but it reads like they left. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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4. "is it just speculation that the friends had something to do with it?"
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really sad.

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5. "at this point i think that's a given. it's just to what extent"
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but i havent checked up on the story since tuesday.

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6. "yeah i know it looked like they did"
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I hope they can prove it.

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8. "Mods, can I post the 29 minute speculation video?"
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There's a 29 minute speculation video that alleges one of her friends set her up for $200. Can I post it or not?

  

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9. "i saw a video on twitter"
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where someone said you can hear her scream "help me" I guess it could be anyone though.

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12. "Ehh, id err on the not side"
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>There's a 29 minute speculation video that alleges one of her
>friends set her up for $200. Can I post it or not?

Just cause I assume there's a good chance they already got names of the friends and that's a slipperly slope if they aint do nothing and they getting put on blast

  

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10. "goodness, that is heart-breaking...."
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I don't know how I would keep myself together if that was my daughter.

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11. "Liam Nelson wouldn't have shit on me bruh"
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Wouldn't be as graceful, prolly a whole lot of collateral damage too.

On some " I closed my eyes and fired alwarning shots" at the whole house type steez

shut up already, damn

  

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13. "I know Black folk mind is to go to the most nefarious outcome"
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But from what's available at this point, it looks as if she got blackout drunk and somehow found herself in the freezer unable to get out. From the news story I read when the case first broke, the friends noticed that she had been gone for a while and after looking for her without locating her, took her car back to her parent's place thinking she was there, calling her mom from her phone which she left behind to tell her what happened. Sad story, but it seems like a freak accident. She wasn't in any shape to take care of herself and it's very easy to freeze to death when you're drunk.

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16. "RE: I know Black folk mind is to go to the most nefarious outcome"
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>But from what's available at this point, it looks as if she
>got blackout drunk and somehow found herself in the freezer
>unable to get out. From the news story I read when the case
>first broke, the friends noticed that she had been gone for a
>while and after looking for her without locating her, took her
>car back to her parent's place thinking she was there, calling
>her mom from her phone which she left behind to tell her what
>happened. Sad story, but it seems like a freak accident. She
>wasn't in any shape to take care of herself and it's very easy
>to freeze to death when you're drunk.


Yea i think theres a video of her stumbling near the front desk drunk and at that time by herself. So that indicates she couldve gotten to the freezer on her own.

And I assume the friends saw her phone and were looking for her so went to her car with it.

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14. "In the end it won't be malicious, but it's gonna be dumb and selfish"
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Somehow someone fucked up and it became serious (too much drinking, an accident)

As opposed to going straight to someone to help, they try to cover it up or 'deal with it themselves' because they don't wanna get in trouble

And someone dies.

It's something about being young where even when its serious you think about yourself first, and that what's the WORST that can happen because of course we are gonna live forever and they are gonna bounce back.

Too many of these stories in college.

  

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15. "This is my feeling too. "
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Especially when they said her friends had her phone and her car, but not her. 12 folks supposedly in the room. So a dozen 19ish year olds with booze and drugs and one of them goes missing? Yeah, someone fucked up.
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20. "Booze, drugs, 19?? Real easy to lose track of someone "
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especially if people are coming and going

shut up already, damn

  

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17. "They say there's video of her wandering in alone"
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kenneka-jenkins-freezer-death-update-0915-20170914-story.html

  

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18. "damn. n/m"
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19. "the whole thing is bizarre on many levels. "
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21. "according to the moms videos"
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this activist called her and said the hotel is losing money cause of the protests. then he goes to the cops and they show him video of her walking into the freezer? and haven't shown the mom the video? just this random activist? why did it take four days for the video to show up? they knew the timeline of when she was missing and where she was found. its not like they had to search through the entire hotel footage to find her.

it all sounds so fucking weird

  

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22. "Everybody was seizing on this. It's like they wanted her to be killed."
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And then when they truth came out, did what they could to back off.

The protestors were fucking up the hotel and getting into it with police. The activist that was leading the demonstrations acted like he was representing the family, so the cops showed him the tape first. They were familiar with him it seems. But then his ass calls a news conference without consulting the mother.

The hotel, in keeping their staffing together and also avoiding possible litigation stuck to the books and didn't look for her until the missing persons report was filed.

It was just a culmination of a lot of dumb shit. Prayers to the family.

Streets won't let me chill.

  

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23. "The hotel dug its own grave as far as litigation"
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>The hotel, in keeping their staffing together and also
>avoiding possible litigation stuck to the books and didn't
>look for her until the missing persons report was filed.

They were extremely negligent, if the timeline presented thus far is to be believed:
-not blocking off guest access to the unused sections
-not having security or employees present who would prevent guests from going there mistakenly
-failing to look for the guest even when she went missing on hotel grounds. This maybe especially damning depending on how long it may have taken her to freeze to death.

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24. "Wait, unless she booked a room there"
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Why would they be responsible for finding her?

Not defending the hotel but outside of blocking off access to a freezer I don't see it.

shut up already, damn

  

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32. "I 'm no attorney, but I sell liability insurance for a living."
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The failure to secure the freezer is obviously the big red flag.

The young lady was an invitee, even if she was not the registered guest, and was therefore entitled to assurances of safety from the facility, advice on potential hazards, and a duty to rescue in the event of an incident.
The hotel clearly failed on all three of those.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invitee

I can see a few factors that could work against her being considered an invitee (such as her wandering into the vacant area), but none that would be strong enough to counter the facts that they knew she was missing, failed to search the premises thoroughly for her when they knew she was missing, and ultimately found her much later frozen to death in an unsecured freezer on premises. The fact that she was inebriated could go either way - while it's tempting to say 'she got drunk and she shouldn't have,' from some perspectives, it would strengthen the hotel's obligations to keep her safe since she was clearly unable to recognize what was safe and unsafe on her own.


But even aside from all that - One of the things I've seen over and over again with big bodily injury claims is that it doesn't even usually matter if the premises operator was truly at fault - if an occurrence is horrific enough, somebody's gonna pay.

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36. "the hotel allowed the girl and allows others to enter the hotel"
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who aren't guests who've booked a room.

so that puts a duty on the hotel to at least warn these ppl about dangerous conditions they wouldn't necessarily expect.

like being able to walk into a freezer that's so cold it can kill a person where the escape lever is broken (or is sometime-y).

if it turns out the girl walked into that freezer and there was an escape mechanism that was functioning properly then the hotel is likely less liable for the girl's death. there's still the problem of her being able to access the freezer in the first place.

fuck you.

  

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25. "I think the hotel would only be liable if the freezer locks from the"
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inside.

I think it's hard to say that the hotel had to start a search of the hotel just because a drunk teen is missing. The kid could have wondered off anywhere.

The piece that is missing from the stories I read is exactly how did this girl die? Did she freeze to death because she was trapped in the freezer and couldn't get out? I think that's what everyone assumed happened but I haven't read anything to confirm that.

It sounds like a terrible accident. Folks want to blame the hotel but a bunch of teens drinking and doing drugs unsupervised has to figure in as the bigger reason as to why this happened.


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>>The hotel, in keeping their staffing together and also
>>avoiding possible litigation stuck to the books and didn't
>>look for her until the missing persons report was filed.
>
>They were extremely negligent, if the timeline presented thus
>far is to be believed:
>-not blocking off guest access to the unused sections
>-not having security or employees present who would prevent
>guests from going there mistakenly
>-failing to look for the guest even when she went missing on
>hotel grounds. This maybe especially damning depending on how
>long it may have taken her to freeze to death.


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26. "I thought they got rid of those freezers that lock from the inside"
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what if she was too drunk to find the door once it closed?

I wouldn't be surprised if she passed out.

shut up already, damn

  

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27. "It's hard to believe she passed out in a freezer and didn't leave"
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the room if she could.

If I had to bet I would bet her death doesn't have anything to do with the freezer but there is so much unknown about what happened to her it just seems like protesting now is a bit premature.

I'd like to see what the autopsy comes back with.




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28. "if she was stumbling and it was dark? "
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I could see her struggling to find the door once it closed if it was dark.

..and if she was shit faced I could see her passing out after a few.

I knew dudes back in college who would sleep at live shows next to a speaker once they were shit faced.

shut up already, damn

  

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29. "Yeah, any of that could have happened. "
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It's just weird to me how people are going straight to "it's a murder", "setup", "follow the money...", etc.



>I could see her struggling to find the door once it closed if
>it was dark.
>
>..and if she was shit faced I could see her passing out after
>a few.
>
>I knew dudes back in college who would sleep at live shows
>next to a speaker once they were shit faced.
>
>


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30. "I wouldn't want to believe my daughter died like that"
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so I understand thinking someone killed her.

Has nothing to do with being Black either, that's just a natural reaction when she is 19 and at a party.

shut up already, damn

  

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37. "i think the hotel could've/should've looked for the girl."
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mom showed up at 5am looking for her and she may have been dying in the freezer right then. the hotel sent mom away and refused to conduct ANY search until mom had a missing persons police report.

that's an enormously awful fact. but i don't know much about liability in this area...it just seems really really terrible at this point. i dunno how the hotel would get past that w/a jury or even a judge at trial. b/c from where i sit w/o knowing more...right now it seems like if the hotel had searched the girl and found her in that freezer she might be alive now. the hotel had security video footage showing her in the kitchen only a few hours or maybe even only a few MINUTES prior at that point. but instead of doing anything the hotel did NOTHING. while that girl maybe froze to death in a freezer the hotel controlled.

yikes.

fuck you.

  

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38. "I agree with you. I also wonder if the hotel rented rooms to "
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underage people.


>mom showed up at 5am looking for her and she may have been
>dying in the freezer right then. the hotel sent mom away and
>refused to conduct ANY search until mom had a missing persons
>police report.
>
>that's an enormously awful fact. but i don't know much about
>liability in this area...it just seems really really terrible
>at this point. i dunno how the hotel would get past that w/a
>jury or even a judge at trial. b/c from where i sit w/o
>knowing more...right now it seems like if the hotel had
>searched the girl and found her in that freezer she might be
>alive now. the hotel had security video footage showing her
>in the kitchen only a few hours or maybe even only a few
>MINUTES prior at that point. but instead of doing anything
>the hotel did NOTHING. while that girl maybe froze to death
>in a freezer the hotel controlled.
>
>yikes.


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40. "i don't think a person needs to be over age 18 to rent a room? "
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i dunno.

but still - any hotel anywhere should expect underaged ppl to be drunk in the hotel. or ppl of any age to be drunk in the hotel. yeah it's illegal for ppl under age 21 to drink but we all know they do it and they frequently do it in hotel rooms so do the ppl who run hotels and so they need to work to keep those ppl safe. kids who drink underage shouldn't be left to die in a hotel's freezer while the hotel staff does nothing when it could've done at least a little something.

fuck you.

  

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42. "I think of a swimming pool at a hotel. "
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What liability does a hotel have to keep drunk people from dying in their swimming pool.

Is it negligence to NOT lock up a pool at night?

I am guessing this all turns on how easy (or not easy) it is to open that freezer from the inside (and cause of death of course). Is it negligence that most people can open but maybe not an out of their mind drunk person might not be able to. IDK.



I hear you on the search thing, I wonder how that conversation went.


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43. "RE: I think of a swimming pool at a hotel. "
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>What liability does a hotel have to keep drunk people from
>dying in their swimming pool.

quite a bit, actually.

which is why many/most hotels keep the pool area locked and ppl need a guest key to access the pool area. and then there are signs all over the pool area warning folks about blah blah (like: don't dive b/c the pool is too shallow, there's no lifeguard on duty, no drinking in the pool area, et al.) the law is well-developed on this issue.

>Is it negligence to NOT lock up a pool at night?

i'm sure that varies by state. i've seen plenty locked pools in hotels, player.

>I am guessing this all turns on how easy (or not easy) it is
>to open that freezer from the inside (and cause of death of
>course). Is it negligence that most people can open but maybe
>not an out of their mind drunk person might not be able to.
>IDK.

varies by state, most likely. w/o checking my gut says - hell yeah.

well, my gut says if the hotel had a freezer that this girl could enter and that freezer had an escape mechanism that was broken the hotel is fucked. b/c my gut says right now that we don't know if the girl tried to get out and couldn't b/c the mechanism was broken or was sometime-y. if that mechanism was functioning properly then the hotel is in less trouble - the issue might still be why was she able to get down into that kitchen at all?

>I hear you on the search thing, I wonder how that conversation
>went.

mom: my daughter was here for a party tonight and now she's missing. can you look for her?

hotel staff: no.

mom: what?

hotel staff: not w/o a missing persons police report.

mom: are you serious right now???????

hotel staff: yes, pretty much. sucks to be you. cry about it.

fuck you.

  

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48. "RE: I think of a swimming pool at a hotel. "
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>well, my gut says if the hotel had a freezer that this girl
>could enter and that freezer had an escape mechanism that was
>broken the hotel is fucked.

I'm pretty confident the hotel's liability insurer will roll right over on this one.

They could argue mitigating circumstances:
a) Young lady was not a guest
b) Young lady was inebriated
c) The young lady's venturing into no-fly zone could potentially rescind her invitee status.
d) apparently there are specific rules regarding a hotel's obligations to a guest or invitee regarding whether the guest is on hotel premises for 'illicit purposes' and underage drinking could certainly be considered illicit. Anything I can find on this is vague though so I don't know one way or another.

BUT

a) hotel did not ask her to leave, so not being a guest doesn't affect her status as invitee;
b) we're uncertain of how hotel has handled/marked no-fly zone;
c) her inebriated status could also be argued to mean the hotel needed to exercise extra caution
d) the hotel allowed an underage party on its premises
e) the fact remains that an invitee died on the hotel's premises, and if they had searched for her or even just allowed the family to search for her when the matter was first brought to their attention, the young lady may still be alive.

So while some circumstances may provide mitigation for just how fucked the hotel actually is, the hotel is still fucked.

And it's possible several other parties will also be fucked.

>if that mechanism was
>functioning properly then the hotel is in less trouble - the
>issue might still be why was she able to get down into that
>kitchen at all?

Regardless of whether the mechanism was working correctly there is a good chance a liability claim will be brought against the manufacturer of the freezer as well (either directly, or they will be enjoined by the hotel's insurer). If the closing mechanism wasn't working properly, the freezer manufacturer's insurer will likely cough up some dough, and then subrogate against the manufacturer of the opening/closing/locking mechanism.
If hotel security is an independent service, the security provider will likely be brought in at some point.
And unless they don't have insurance, there may also be claims against the host(s) of the party, and other party attendees who provided drinks to the young lady.

Basically, as the claims pile up and the insurers start to pony up, each party will look for other parties to help share the blame. It's very possible that the other parties will not be found liable, but that won't prevent the young lady's family from going after them, or the hotel's insurer from trying to pass the buck.

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50. "agreed. "
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freezer manufacturer - totally.

unless the malfunction was maybe the result of bad maintenance or a lack of maintenance from the hotel or some other party who was supposed to maintain the thing. like if it was 'rented' equipment installed in the hotel under some contract that included regular inspection/maintenance.

and yeah - this will totally come down to buck passing. hell, it's already happening. it always happens in these cases.

the real deal is the search by the plaintiff for the deep pocket - hotel owner/franchisee, freezer manufacturer, security firm, et al. sue 'em all and let the judge/jury sort 'em out.

fuck you.

  

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52. "You can never tell; anecdotally, I've had clients with similar experienc..."
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one in Chicago a few years back actually, where the equipment functioned exactly as intended and in so doing killed someone who was where he wasn't supposed to be.

To my surprise, the equipment manufacturer in that one was not required to contribute to whatever settlement the deceased's family got from the building owner.

I've had other claims though where the mfr was not at fault at all, and still had to shell out for liability.

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31. "how long can you survive in a freezer?"
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this whole story is weird.


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33. "Should be at least 12 to 24 hours"
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but if she was dressed in something skimpy and drunk/dehydrated???

shut up already, damn

  

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34. "Inappropriate place for a Ted Williams joke? Yes or No?"
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35. "the hotel needs to STFU."
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it seems the hotel's main concern is, of course, protecting itself.

but that's not going to work. well, i doubt it will work. i think the hotel is fucked one way or another.

if the girl walked into a freezer and got locked in there (the release mechanism was known to be faulty)...how in the hell does that happen? that feels like negligence. b/c that girl's condition (drunk after partying in the hotel) was something the hotel should've expected and it should've done more to address that.

if the girl was killed in the hotel by some other guest and her body was dumped in that freezer...shit, that might be a better look for the hotel, really. bad PR, yeah...but the hotel seems less liable for the girl's death that way. i guess the hotel is more concerned w/not being known as the site of a murder.

yikes.

maybe the hotel is more willing to pay out on the liability issue and wants to avoid the murder tag.

fuck you.

  

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39. "I hear you but at this point I don't know if its clear that the "
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girl froze to death. Or even that the freezers were even on. I don't see it in the articles I am reading.

Is that confirmed yet?


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41. "no, guy."
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that has not been confirmed.

yet another reason for the hotel to STFU.

"We are deeply concerned and are participating in the ongoing police investigation. We are also conducting our own internal investigation. We will have no further comment until further notice as we do not comment publicly about ongoing police and internal investigations."

and then actually STFU. no surveillance videos released publicly. no comments. STFU.

fuck you.

  

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47. "i thought the police recording said her body was frozen "
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54. "Maybe, doesn't mean she froze to death though. "
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And I am not defending the hotel, I just don't think any of us have enough info to conclude what happened.


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44. "Everything is just sketchy"
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I don't understand the whole kitchen thing. Was the kitchen closed and no longer being used or just closed for the night?

  

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45. "i dunno if that kitchen was in use or what."
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but it just seems strange that she was able to access it in first place.

if it was in use there are who knows how many dangerous things she could've found in there other than the possibly-deadly freezer.

if it was not in use - i imagine the hotel would still want to secure b/c of the possibly-deadly freezer.

i agree - this is sketchy.

fuck you.

  

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46. "That's where I have confusion"
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If it was in use, then why did it take so long to find here? Breakfast in hotels, especially near airports, start as early as 6/7am. So you mean to tell me that during breakfast prep nobody went into the freezer?

If the kitchen wasn't being used anymore, then why still monitor it and have cameras there?

  

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56. "RE: That's where I have confusion"
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Kenneka Jenkins’ body was discovered early Sunday inside the walk-in freezer in an under-construction area of the Crowne Plaza in Rosemont, Ill.

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49. "Not hard to walk into a kitchen of a hotel"
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Its not Alcatraz it's pretty easy.

Now it's sketchy like you said why nobody came into the freezer and saw her. But I'm also going to ask was the hotel even up and running during a search? Cause the answer could be there as to why nobody saw her during prep or work hours for kitchen staff. It could've been shutdown

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51. "i've heard someone else say that."
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that it's easy to get into a hotel's kitchen. you wouldn't think so considering the risks involved.

maybe if this case gets enough attention and/or the plaintiffs in a lawsuit win a big enough payout there will be changes made in securing access to this sort of hotel kitchen.

sadly that's how safety precautions happen - someone(s) get seriously injured/killed and then there's a big ol' lawsuit and big ol' payout and then come the changes.

fuck you.

  

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55. "Yeah its not even hard to get into hotel pools when closed"
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its hard not to get caught when actually in the pool but its pretty easy to get in the pool if you wanted to

Security and all, at what point are we just not holding her, the people at the party accountable for a hotel party. Thats even pretty easy to get done cause all you have ot say is your visiting that room its not like a bank. IMO It's not the hotels responsibility for stupid shit people do in their rooms. Someone in Toronto was shot in their hotel room while guests were in surrounding rooms. I think its a pretty nice hotel too. Stupid shit can happen because of people. Only think i question is when the hotel knew and if they were buying time to figure out how fucked they were legally. Like i wonder if they found her and were like fuck, how did we miss this and how are we responsible. Thats sort of what its looking like IMO


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57. "Common sense and personal responsibility go out the window"
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when it comes to determining liability.

Especially when there's a potentially liable party that has deep pockets.

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58. "i'm a 41 yr old dude and i'm surprised that hotel freezer"
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was possibly so unsecured that an intoxicated person may have been able to get in there and possibly have been trapped w/no functioning escape mechanism.

this is a big ol' hotel we're talking about. generally, as a person invited by the hotel or allowed to enter the hotel, i expect the hotel to at least try to keep me away from dangerous locations w/in the hotel that the hotel knows about that i don't expect b/c i'm not up on the inner workings of a big ol' hotel like that. i also expect that since the hotel allowed one or several of its guests to throw a party at the hotel and/or the hotel itself serves alcohol...i expect that a drunk person walking around the hotel is not something strange to the hotel staff/mgmt. this hotel is in Rosemont, IL. that's out there by O'Hare Airport. lots of bars/clubs/casino out that way. ppl go there at night to party. ppl who party out there frequently rent hotel rooms. this is common practice. this hotel should've expected either a hotel guest or someone invited by a guest to be drunk in the hotel. ppl have to walk the hallways in the hotel to get to their rooms. they may be drunk. they use the elevators. drunk. none of this is brand new. whether this girl was a guest or not...the hotel allowed her in as it allows others in who either are drunk when they arrive or get drunk in the hotel. my point - drunk person wandering hotel hallways is not unusual. drunk ppl often will not perceive danger that sober ppl will perceive. like a walk-in freezer in an abandoned kitchen. was the girl irresponsible by getting drunk? sure. did she deserve to die for that? no. but she might have died. drunk. frozen. in the hotel's unsecured freezer. while the hotel staff did nothing to even try to find her after her mom alerted them that she was missing.

the girl has been punished for her irresponsibility. she paid w/her life. the question is whether the hotel or someone else will have to pay something for its irresponsibility. if the hotel's negligence was a factor in the girl's death. maybe it wasn't. or maybe some other person's act was a greater factor to the point where whatever the hotel did or didn't do doesn't matter as much and that other person should pay either w/money or liberty.

fuck you.

  

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59. "Agreed i think someone will pay"
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53. "It's funny because I remember my brother and I would wander"
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through hotels all the time as kids.

I've definitely been in a hotel's kitchen at night.


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61. "Death ruled an accident. She died of hypothermia."
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Had alcohol, caffeine and the epilepsy/migraine medication topiramate (not prescribed) in her system. No signs of trauma or sexual assault.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kenneka-jenkins-death-20171006-story.html

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62. "was there any evidence of Kenneka walking into the freezer?"
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I'm behind on the details of the case....

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63. "They didn't specify. May not have been cameras there. "
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