http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/08/09/concussion-doctor-youth-football-is-child-abuse/

Was just listening to Bennet Omalu give an interview, and I agree with this statement.
Not just football. All sports with high intensity contact as a main feature of the game.

It is not just severe concussions which are a problem. Repeated minor trauma to the head produces similar results. There is no cure for brain damage. Why willingly expose children to such danger?

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and from what i'm aware of now...i wouldn't do it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

making them play would be abuse.

i used to be all for kids playing football but that was before i skimmed enough research to change my mind.

fuck you.

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no reason to be that sensational to get your point across.

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The sport isn't the problem, the high risk of head trauma is.

Parents/schools that are wary of their kids playing tackle football should organize their own leagues rather than trying to stop everyone else from playing the sport.

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can't be mad at the "look at me"-ness of it

i'm thrown by the knee-jer reaction to it

actually, no i'm not

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I just naturally assumed kids could only be involved in flag football or two hand touch up to a certain age

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Hubby and I talked about that long ago.

We're debating soccer and lacrosse, but definitely not football.

those headers are no joke and players knocking heads going for headers is common

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We live next to a park and every weekend they have kids league. We go to watch sometimes. It looks great for the tikes, but the older kids are rough.

We're hoping he wants to follow in hubby's tradition and become a nerd.

i get the pros because they're selling out for every ball. but i've played my whole life and i can't even imagine how these kids are racking up concussions like this.

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and its not really an expectation until high school. i honestly don't know how the numbers would be that similar

So the sport is at least working to make it even safer for the kids, which even still is still far safer than tackle football.

He can kick the ball around for almost an hour.

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I played catcher and I don't see how anyone plays in the infield. That baseball comes fast as shit off that aluminum bat.

She better try golf

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i forgot the baseball term for it

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without doing any research.

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of space this dude had to gear up to clock me was far longer than anything that could be done in football

I think it's fair to assess the dangers involved, and decide whether it is safe or not, but 'child abuse'.. that's a hella loaded term.

I was just reminiscing the other day about how much i enjoyed playing football in high school. It was one of the most fun things i did at that age. It's weird, knowing what we know now, trying to reconcile the dangers of the sport, but I don't feel like I was abused. That's just silly.

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not sure how to explain it but it's different.

I played all the sports and there is something about the physical aspect, the plays, the proximity that makes football different from these other sports when it comes to team building.

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soccer or hockey would probably disagree with your perspective, even though they 'played all the sports.' Perhaps to them, the plays and close proximity of physicality is not as important as the sets, trust, accountability and collective dexterity required for soccer. Different strokes.

It would take someone who ACTUALLY played a bunch of different sports to weigh in and disagree.


>soccer or hockey would probably disagree with your
>perspective, even though they 'played all the sports.' Perhaps
>to them, the plays and close proximity of physicality is not
>as important as the sets, trust, accountability and collective
>dexterity required for soccer. Different strokes.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

nope, exactly what he said.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

It didn't even have to be him (which he doesn't claim to be), he could have referred to someone else who shared that view (which he didn't).

Can't convincing argue "there is some person out there who similarly played many different sports who probably would disagree with you".


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

in any that were actual team sports

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

that's poor form for arguing and poor science. All of us engaged in this conversation probably played football, soccer, hockey, baseball, basketball, etc., but that does not make us authorities on the psychology of sports. You don't get to determine who I consider an authority.In my opinion, that is an actual sports psychologist who earned a PhD and performs research in this area.

If we rely on anecdotal evidence, then you are relying on the perceptions of people who played different sports, as we all did, but may have not been good or understood the complexities of all those sports. Someone who doesn't understand the game of soccer cannot necessarily speak to the team chemistry or cohesion that is necessary for success. Same goes with football or any other sport. So I'm not taking another random dude's experience playing sports as an some sort of authority when I also played said team sports and wouldn't making sweeping claims about how one of them is more conducive to producing certain traits. I also have driven a lot of cars, but I can't compare the engineering of the engines.

and a few years of indoor soccer. Now maybe it's because I'm Black but soccer and baseball didn't have it.

Basketball has some but for me? It's was football because so many plays involve 11 guys being on the same page for a simple run up the middle. The amount of trust you have to have for each other is huge and it's not like a mistake will result in an open 3 pointer. A mistake in football can get you fucked up and forgiving a lineman for missing a block on a 300 pound player takes a lot of love. LOL...

It's definitely the last gladiator sport.

Loved every minute of it until I didn't.

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of one person who played a couple of sports. That would be false authority, bud.

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The times on the gridiron were the BEST! I didnt feel abused at all.

but wouldn't let him play organized football.

He was one of the best athletes too.

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like if you want to play football you are going to get concussions and do some damage to your brain. There is no way around that. So why not stick the younger kids in flag football? They still get to play and learn about the game. Then at maybe HS age they can go ahead and start playing regular football. If head trauma is going to happen why speed it up and put it on them at such an early age?

A lot of people give me shit about having my son in hockey but there is no checking until age 13 or 14. Sure there is incidental contact right now. But so far the only contact to the head he has had was when a kid fell on him from behind and he went face first into the boards. You arent smashing helmets every single play.

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Playing contact sports presents a substantial risk of injury and injury to arguably our most important organ. Given that, and the fact that kids are minors and their participation in any of these sports requires the permission of parents, then parents are willingly allowing their kids to engage in activities that have a substantial risk of head and brain injury. There are still questions but the research that has been done in this area certainly doesn't bode well. CTE is just one potential outcome, there are myriad other ways brains might be affected. People point to the potential in other sports as if this somehow makes the findings in football, OK.

skateboarding, football, high jump, pole vault, javelin, horseback riding, gymnastics, wrestling, rugby etc. could all be considered neglect or abuse?

I know the other sports don't have the same profile as football, but the risks are pretty immense.

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does draw extra scrutiny. Also, not all sports carry the same risk of head injury as others. I don't disagree though.

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that a young kid with a still-developing brain should be protected from potential damage. The kids are too young to fully appreciate the risks, and some parents do not even bother to look at research or step outside themselves to consider their child's best interests. You have to know parents who take pride in their child's athletic accomplishments or see their kid as a vehicle to right their own inadequacies as a kid.

All of that said, I don't personally judge people who let their kids play football, but it would be hard for me to criticize this perspective from a guy who studies the effects of football on the brain and who suffered tremendously as a result of his work in this area.

i'm not calling football abuse or neglect.

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If something is so clearly a threat to a child, does it become abuse? What would it take, research wise, to prove that football or any sport has fallen into that category?

For football and my family, the risks kind of outweigh the benefits. I don't want my kid to take that risk, and i'm pushing him towards other sports, but I'm having a hard time pinning down where you draw that line and actually calling it abuse.

Most sports come with some inherent risk - like am i being abusive to my daughter if i let her play soccer? Soccer has concussions and female soccer players have a pretty high rate of knee injury. So there's a chance I could be impacting her health negatively in a number of ways if i let her play. It's not as far off from football as most people think either. It's a risk, but there are benefits that outweighed those risks in my mind.

I live in a place where I see kids on horses all the time, doing shows and contests and stuff. Is that abuse? because the dangers of horseback riding in various forms are equal to or greater than football? Same with say, skateboarding or surfing or whatever.

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i can't take yo seriously if you use that type of hyperbole

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because deep down they know that football is dangerous and risky, and that evidence will continue to mount that it is not a particularly intelligent decision to let their kids engage in the sport. A child's brain is his or her future and gambling that future on a sport is questionable.

football.

you understand the man's point - given what we know about the risk of head injuries which can create long-term health problems, allowing your kid to play (tackle) football is an unwise decision that's harmful to the child. he summed that up by saying 'it's abuse'.

i understand the pushback - b/c football is 'woven into the fabric' of many communities. that Friday Night Lights shit is real for many of us. and many of us don't like to hear that the way they were brought up was wrong or harmful. or that the way we're considering (or wishing we could) raise our kids is wrong or harmful. and for some odd reason parents like to believe there's some pact between them where they don't criticize the way they choose to raise their kids (that shit is total bullshit, btw). so what this guy says causes lots of pearl-clutching.

he right though.

*shrug*

fuck you.

I can't imagine a kid running onto the field for his first contact in pads vs a kid who has 8 years of pop warner and Junior high under his belt.

Stepping onto the field with just flag football experience? nah... bad idea.

I played 2 hand tag and tackle football every day since I could remember as a kid and it was still a totally different game the first time I played in pads.

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a kid that ( for lack of better phrasing) "doesn't know how to get hit" is gonna get killed.

Flag and Full contact football are two different games. Body control, technique, and other things come into play.


There's nothing worse than seeing a flag kid in pads for the first time. they don't know how to protect themselves. He's definitely gonna feel it in the morning.

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shifts to this. the transition time would overlap and you'd have pad vs no pad experiences.

if would take years for the transition, but what about afterwards if everyone stayed away from pads til high school? is it still a bad idea?

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You can still completely enjoy hockey without playing full contact. Especially as a little kid. With football it seems like direct hits are a more integral part of the game but still as a kid you can have plenty of fun without it.

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the more we read about it...the more we all, including him believe he has it
I remember telling him at 12 I want to play football
he stuck a tennis racket in my hand and said no lol

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or just wrap him in bubble wrap and let him play video games.

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Nothing is 100% safe, but there are other, better options out there

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>Nothing is 100% safe, but there are other, better options out
>there

Trying to maximize benefit and minimize unnecessary risk for my kids.

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but I definitely will stay away from the sports that have a high risk of head trauma.

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and that wood floor is hard as hell.

Seem plenty of heads bounce off that wood back in the day.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

If you are worried about concussions and serious injury I wouldn't tell a parent to choose basketball.

I would choose golf, tennis, volleyball or track

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concussion or serious injury...its i'm worried about my child having repeated head trauma and/or debilitating injuries later in life.

How many basketball players you know that have had more than one concussion in their entire career?

Basketball has a fraction of the safety issues or concerns so a parent saying basketball is a much safer option than football is 100% correct.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I responded to tomjohn by saying choose golf or tennis if you don't want your kid to ever have a concussion.

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ever getting 1 concussion. Obviously, nobody wants their child to get one, but no sane parent is saying you can't play this sport bc 1 day you might get 1 concussion.

So your point makes no sense in the context of this discussion or the views you are responding to.

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the fuck?

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You said you were replying to tomjohn who was talking about CTE and you replying about trying to avoid 1 concussion or injury lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

so I listed a few sports parents could choose if they didn't want their kid to get ONE concussion

then you swooped in MAD LATE cause I said basketball shouldn't be on the list and here we are...

I mean, you could've just admitted you didn't read his whole post and KIM but nah.. you had to try and win the day.

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having one concussion except you. How you jumped from dude's dad who probably has CTE from FOOTball putting a tennis racket in his hand bc he didn't want him to play FOOTBALL to 'if you don't want him to get one concussion ever, don't play basketball' i have no idea bruh.


That was a logic leap of epic proportions.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

it's ok bruh... I know it's hard to admit you didn't catch it but it's cool, really.. it's going to be alright.

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not sports that are completely safe or that you can't get 1 concussion.

In fact the list was directly followed by:

>Nothing is 100% safe, but there are other, better options out there


So again, your response about getting 1 concussion from basketball makes zero sense.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

and that list was under words that said "if you don't want your kid to have a concussion..."

But please, keep going.

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>Nothing is 100% safe, but there are other, better options out there


Again, no one is talking about having their kid play a sport which they could never, ever, possibly have a concussion except you. Which is an asinine idea

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

so stop crying and

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with that explanation you gave..smh

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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no kid should be anywhere near either

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.