This reads a movie and should be read but ill give the TL: DR version along with some snippets

While Putin was strong arming other Russian Oligarchs to consolidate power a rich American businessman with ties in Russia naively tried to fight the corruption and got his boy killed. For revenge he got the Russian sanctions placed which put a damper on Putin and Co's money laundering abilities in the West (which Putin pettily responded with that orphan adoption ban) and Putin and co been fighting tooth and nail since they know as long as the cash stays in russia its not safe.

One of the main propagandists was the Russian lawyer who met with Trump and Kusher, so when they saying they are talking just about russian adoptions...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/bill-browders-testimony-to-the-senate-judiciary-committee/534864/




...I had always thought Putin was a nationalist. It seemed inconceivable that he would approve of his officials stealing $230 million from the Russian state. Sergei and I were sure that this was a rogue operation and if we just brought it to the attention of the Russian authorities, the “good guys” would get the “bad guys” and that would be the end of the story.


We filed criminal complaints with every law enforcement agency in Russia, and Sergei gave sworn testimony to the Russian State Investigative Committee (Russia’s FBI) about the involvement of officials in this crime.

However, instead of arresting the people who committed the crime, Sergei was arrested. Who took him? The same officials he had testified against. On November 24, 2008, they came to his home, handcuffed him in front of his family, and threw him into pre-trial detention

...In 2010, I traveled to Washington and told Sergei Magnitsky’s story to Senators Benjamin Cardin and John McCain. They were both shocked and appalled and proposed a new piece of legislation called The Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act. This would freeze assets and ban visas for those who killed Sergei as well as other Russians involved in serious human rights abuse.

...The Russian government has also used its resources and assets to try to repeal the Magnitsky Act. One of the most shocking attempts took place in the spring and summer of last year when a group of Russians went on a lobbying campaign in Washington to try to repeal the Magnitsky Act by changing the narrative of what had happened to Sergei. According to them, Sergei wasn’t murdered and he wasn’t a whistle-blower, and the Magnitsky Act was based on a false set of facts. They used this story to try to have Sergei’s name taken off of the Global Magnitsky Act that passed in December 2016. They were unsuccessful.

Who was this group of Russians acting on behalf of the Russian state? Two men named Pyotr and Denis Katsyv, a woman named Natalia Veselnitskaya, and a large group of American lobbyists, all of whom are described below.

If Trump goes down due to his dealings so be it, but I'm not team OMG Russia!!

We should be working with them not against

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

They got their fucked up shit and America has theirs

>They got their fucked up shit and America has theirs


They don't keep their murders on their shores and local agencies are unable to really stop it.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/from-russia-with-blood-14-suspected-hits-on-british-soil?utm_term=.pbprawexr#.irVXQM3OX

They have backdoor access to a huge security system, ever had your social stolen? It sucks. Just look at Luckey Whitehead.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/kaspersky-antivirus-now-freely-available-114403121.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/kaspersky-and-russian-spies-2015-3


They can shut down power grids. Remember my post the other month about power outages during a heat wave or what about a snow storm? People will die from that

http://www.newsweek.com/russian-hackers-shut-ukraine-power-grid-415751


They're arming the people our troops are fighting. Me and you aren't over there. But I have a half dozen friends and family members on perpetual tours of duties

http://www.newsweek.com/taliban-claim-russians-provided-their-guns-afghanistan-probes-reports-641426

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Out of respect I'll leave the war issue alone.

But is it really that one sided? Do you really think America can't shut down Russia's power grid or hack its systems? That organised crime here isn't somehow connected to organised crime there? Personally I find that hard to believe.

I will say that no nation has won in Afghanistan with or without Russian arms being supplied to the opposing forces. Not the British, not the Russians, and why the US thinks it can beat the odds is a serious question that has gone unanswered. So that's as much as I'll say about that my apologies for not taking it completely off the table

Because you tend to convey that a lot. And by doing so strips anything of context and is a dumbed down version of the conversation.

No. Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates aren't propped up by the government with secret, unaccountable, assassination squads globally.

No, our government isn't targeting other countries by distributing software and backdooring into it. Germany, France, the U.K. have pretty strict laws and penaltie, China has censorship.

Yes, we do arm the enemies of our enemies see Syria, but Russia is our enemy. So we're currently in a proxy war with them via these actions.

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that I just got to boil down to what I perceive to be basics

What has Russia done to harm people like you and me? Now if you group yourself with White Americans as an American than fine you drink the kool aid or really believe them to be a threat.

Personally I see the biggest threats to people like you and me being right here in America not Russia

>that I just got to boil down to what I perceive to be basics
>
>What has Russia done to harm people like you and me? Now if
>you group yourself with White Americans as an American than
>fine you drink the kool aid or really believe them to be a
>threat.
>
>Personally I see the biggest threats to people like you and me
>being right here in America not Russia

It doesn't have to be either or. It can be equally gross. Irreparable identify fraud and the potential to have you locked in a sweltering apartment are real, and part of their MO. It's not propaganda, it's something they do, with regularity.

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.

If you're trying to take the "Communism Bad!!" approach I'm just not buying it

the fact you think I would be on some "communism bad," when I co-signed what you said in the Jessica William's show thread about other ethnic groups being read as or identifying as "black" outside the US, then citing a Marxist author within my reply, proves how you have very little grasp of intellectual thought.

it also shows you have very little grasp of what goes on with America in relation to Russia geopolitically.

while most economic forces within the G7 are moving towards a post-nation state technocracy, Russia, who is not in the G7, is one of the only global powers stuck in economic crisis, but still has an old world "might is right," "brute force is the only true power," view.

they are literally a main catalyst in the crisis in Syria. That feeds the immigrant/refugee crisis. Which has been a crucial vehicle in the rise of global white nationalism. Oh they also have nukes, and murder public officials in their streets.

They are just as shitty and possibly more maniacal than our own powers when it comes to violence.

And now it seems they have colluded with an idiot mediocre white man, and his band of mediocre idiots, because Russia, understands 45 and his band of idiots, are isolating the US geopolitically, which is good for them.

they are your enemy like white supremacy is your enemy. like the obsession for power from above is your enemy.

or you can keep thinking they are cute little "Commie" island like Cuba... I mean you really brought up the Cuban missile crisis... good lord... like WWI, WWII, and the Cold War weren't actual things

or you could start by reading Robeson's Here I Stand or Lorde's Sister Outsider for Black global perspectives on Russia from a autobio-historical lens, or not

and just keep making things up in your mind

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

But I did enjoy your snarky statement for what it's worth


>the fact you think I would be on some "communism bad," when I
>co-signed what you said in the Jessica William's show thread
>about other ethnic groups being read as or identifying as
>"black" outside the US, then citing a Marxist author within my
>reply, proves how you have very little grasp of intellectual
>thought.

I cited someone? I was just trying to figure out what your angle was since you didn't provide one

>it also shows you have very little grasp of what goes on with
>America in relation to Russia geopolitically.

I know that Kennedy was killed the day Bobby met with Kruschev(sp?) to broker a peace deal

I know that Russia once had a lot more territory and it's not like America didn't assist in that collapse yet America aids Saudi Arabia which may very well have played a role in 911

I know if the US lost half of its states it would use similar right makes right approaches to getting back its lost states which it doesn't even have any true ethnic claim to

I know that a lot of this beef between the two superpowers is over some petty and poorly thought out looting of Nazi research and scientists so yeah no wonder there is such strong white supremacist sentitment in both nations. Tends to happen when you pardon overzealous racist war criminals and place them in positions of power


>while most economic forces within the G7 are moving towards a
>post-nation state technocracy, Russia, who is not in the G7,
>is one of the only global powers stuck in economic crisis, but
>still has an old world "might is right," "brute force is the
>only true power," view.

Let's be real. This is the same thing happening here and has always happened. They showed you they're ready during Furgeson and Americas police are militiaeized as hell

>they are literally a main catalyst in the crisis in Syria.
>That feeds the immigrant/refugee crisis. Which has been a
>crucial vehicle in the rise of global white nationalism. Oh
>they also have nukes, and murder public officials in their
>streets.

We want the oil there too keep it 100. Americas corporate interests in that region are as much to blame and white people are to blame for white nationalism not Russia. The onus is on their culture at large. You don't need russians to spread no damn white supremacy. Americas politicians are shot and or killed in the streets too only by "lone wolfs" every.single.time

>They are just as shitty and possibly more maniacal than our
>own powers when it comes to violence.

Yup but when I see a bunch of white people grinning in front of dead negroes I'm not going to say they are more maniacal


>And now it seems they have colluded with an idiot mediocre
>white man, and his band of mediocre idiots, because Russia,
>understands 45 and his band of idiots, are isolating the US
>geopolitically, which is good for them.

People get the leader they deserve and you know the chickens must come home to roost at some point

>they are your enemy like white supremacy is your enemy. like
>the obsession for power from above is your enemy.

Who's been at it longer?

>or you can keep thinking they are cute little "Commie" island
>like Cuba... I mean you really brought up the Cuban missile
>crisis... good lord... like WWI, WWII, and the Cold War
>weren't actual things

Addressed above. Russia is the affect America is the cause when I look through the lens of history

>or you could start by reading Robeson's Here I Stand or
>Lorde's Sister Outsider for Black global perspectives on
>Russia from a autobio-historical lens, or not

Was thinking about it. I thought he enjoyed his time there perhaps I was mistaken.

>and just keep making things up in your mind
if I made up anything in this response please point it out

>the fact you think I would be on some "communism bad," when I
>co-signed what you said in the Jessica William's show thread
>about other ethnic groups being read as or identifying as
>"black" outside the US, then citing a Marxist author within my
>reply, proves how you have very little grasp of intellectual
>thought.
>
>it also shows you have very little grasp of what goes on with
>America in relation to Russia geopolitically.
>
>while most economic forces within the G7 are moving towards a
>post-nation state technocracy, Russia, who is not in the G7,
>is one of the only global powers stuck in economic crisis, but
>still has an old world "might is right," "brute force is the
>only true power," view.
>
>they are literally a main catalyst in the crisis in Syria.
>That feeds the immigrant/refugee crisis. Which has been a
>crucial vehicle in the rise of global white nationalism. Oh
>they also have nukes, and murder public officials in their
>streets.
>
>They are just as shitty and possibly more maniacal than our
>own powers when it comes to violence.
>
>And now it seems they have colluded with an idiot mediocre
>white man, and his band of mediocre idiots, because Russia,
>understands 45 and his band of idiots, are isolating the US
>geopolitically, which is good for them.
>
>they are your enemy like white supremacy is your enemy. like
>the obsession for power from above is your enemy.
>
>or you can keep thinking they are cute little "Commie" island
>like Cuba... I mean you really brought up the Cuban missile
>crisis... good lord... like WWI, WWII, and the Cold War
>weren't actual things
>
>or you could start by reading Robeson's Here I Stand or
>Lorde's Sister Outsider for Black global perspectives on
>Russia from a autobio-historical lens, or not
>
>and just keep making things up in your mind


Bang bang^^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

the window.


Think about things in the last just 7-10 months that a good portion of the country is okay with, even cheering-

openly working with Russia to take down a rival, attacking the press, encouraging violence against the press/protesters, openly vilifying and insulting the previous administration, straight up lies on top of lies, p*$$y tape, etc, video banned at press briefings, etc.


I'm not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of our relationship with Russia, all I know is that it is a big part of a long list that an already broken country will now openly accept.

Yeah, that scares me.


I mean, I also hope it eventually brings dudes down, of course.

ppl who don't have much invested in the idea or reality of "the USA" so they don't care if some foreign power has influenced an election or if norms are being violated b/c "fuck America anyway".

same line of thought that was ok w/Trump being elected despite calls from rational ppl that his election would place the country in jeopardy in several different ways..."fuck America anyway".

they're broken and need healing. but while they remain in their broken state they think they don't care about anything b/c everything is trash. they're not thinking clearly. unfortunately plenty of them can vote and have some agency and shit and so they can make decisions irrationally that impact the rest of us.

they're not unlike mad toddlers just throwing shit all over a room b/c they're upset and lack the skills to address the thing that's upset them so instead they just yell and throw shit.

fuck you.

you are the last person qualified to call anyone broken I mean shit.. I don't need to say anything else

Stfu.

fuck you.

Oh and I'm talking directly to you and don't really give a fuck who you address, but don't waste too much effort replying as I wouldn't want you to get your black shoepolish smudged on your keyboard

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Who finds you to be a decent person only to then show that person a completely opposite side of yourself due to disagreeing about bullshit on a public message board?

You mean that kind of touched?

Help me out here. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

Reproach. And for the last year or so you've been ever increasing bullshit. It started with that thread about the black girl being body slammed, it apexed with the flat earther thruther stuff, and then it's just been non stop post after post about being critical about black people at all times. Doesn't matter if it's a post on black pain, or white atrocity, you almost immediately flip it to condemn black people. I'd call my own mama out on that, nobody else should've expect any less.

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And I stand by what I said about the different ways in which children of different cultural/ethnic backgrounds act out

And yeah black people in America are fighting a war on two fronts

Atrocities? Are you talking about that Nword post? If you can't see the irony in a white person trying to trademark something that most white people use like it's their last name maybe step back from the abyss a bit or petition against it -- whatever

I find it odd that you're far less direct in person than over fiber optics and copper wires. If you can't call me dumb to my face but find the courage to be so bold online well to each their own I suppose

Let's both pick a character of antiquity -- Abraham or Lot and act accordingly

https://i.imgur.com/suUWUWh_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high

though that a lot of these people probably have 'Murican flags displayed in their front yard and sh!t.

I'll never understand how these folks reconcile accepting/embracing this sh!t with their "patriotism"


Like, you really hated a black president THAT bad huh?



The scare part though, in addition to thinking about what other sh!t will become acceptable over the next few years, is how does it get fixed?

Just like the GOP call it what it is -- a polluted mess

A lot of things you write sound good, but have been studied and clarified or debunked.

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that's is the basis for all my opions on this board (mostly)

but seeing as how you love that which clearly hates you so very very much I don't see that changing anytime soon.

>ppl who don't have much invested in the idea or reality of
>"the USA" so they don't care if some foreign power has
>influenced an election or if norms are being violated b/c
>"fuck America anyway".
>
>same line of thought that was ok w/Trump being elected despite
>calls from rational ppl that his election would place the
>country in jeopardy in several different ways..."fuck America
>anyway".
>
>they're broken and need healing. but while they remain in
>their broken state they think they don't care about anything
>b/c everything is trash. they're not thinking clearly.
>unfortunately plenty of them can vote and have some agency and
>shit and so they can make decisions irrationally that impact
>the rest of us.
>
>they're not unlike mad toddlers just throwing shit all over a
>room b/c they're upset and lack the skills to address the
>thing that's upset them so instead they just yell and throw
>shit.

>ppl who don't have much invested in the idea or reality of
>"the USA" so they don't care if some foreign power has
>influenced an election or if norms are being violated b/c
>"fuck America anyway".
>
>same line of thought that was ok w/Trump being elected despite
>calls from rational ppl that his election would place the
>country in jeopardy in several different ways..."fuck America
>anyway".
>
>they're broken and need healing. but while they remain in
>their broken state they think they don't care about anything
>b/c everything is trash. they're not thinking clearly.
>unfortunately plenty of them can vote and have some agency and
>shit and so they can make decisions irrationally that impact
>the rest of us.
>
>they're not unlike mad toddlers just throwing shit all over a
>room b/c they're upset and lack the skills to address the
>thing that's upset them so instead they just yell and throw
>shit.


Indeed...Unchecked nihilism mixed with healthy dose of conspiratorial bliss....

Basically, it's Donald Trump....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

despite the people (myself included) calling senators and signing petitions. The American people (if there is such a thing) were largely in support of their politicians passing some form of legislation to help prevent such events in the future and those motherfuckers didn't do a damned thing.

The system failed and it continues to fail. How are any of you/us for whom the system was never designed going to keep it from failing?

Is that not a clear enough message for all of you who think that you will be able to march, hold hands, get tear gassed and clubbed into bringing about change? But yeah Russia is what's really causing the problems.

This country doesn't even give a fuck about it's own WHITE children when it's majority demographic is in steady decline.

Keep at it though. Let me know how your hope in democracy and faith in something that has never ceased to persecute you works out.

A child was shot leaving a party for no damn reason

Just what in the hell do you all think is going to "Change" if the other party was in charge?

The problem isn't the parties it's WHO the parties are comprised of. Shitty Fucking People who represent many many more Shitty Fucking People. They are not going to become less shitty until they shuffle off their mortal coils. It's either speed up that process or congregate and find ways to outlast and outsmart such individuals IMO.

Keep marching protesting and blocking traffic maybe a new way of changing a leopards spots will come about as a result.

On the other hand, sticking it to "the other" has always been a part of America. Lynching parties, segragation, freedom fries, Popeye propogana, the red scare, concentration camps, the Dixie chicks, sports (jumbled list of differing severity)... there's never been one social thing that America hasn't "us" vs "them"d

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This is about 'wanting to see America burn'. Or more like not caring or being indifferent about the possibility that America could be damaged or at least compromised.

fuck you.

even the worst politicians before operated in good faith and w/ a sense of decorum and respect for the process.

trump looked at all that and said it was weak af.

<--- Big Baller World Order

No snark. Just that foxification, right wing, low decorum shit really hit the gas pedal after all of that.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

>No snark. Just that foxification, right wing, low decorum
>shit really hit the gas pedal after all of that.


Word

Like 15? People came and knocked down the towers and then every single day of white americas life became "they're coming for you next" then it was "they're secretly here and waiting to strike" then when there was black president it was "he's one of them and he's waiting for his people to get you"

White america has been served a daily dose of paranoia for 16 years straight at least at this point. Even Bin Laden being killed wasn't enough, they wanted the body. They'll never have enough, there will always be more to hate, now that it's not just brown people it's also the whites that force them to try to accept brown people.

Trump is the id. He was on the TV week after week, as the last person standing to prove Obama was one of them. He's a hero to a lot of them. They morphed with him.
Historically. This won't end well.

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>Like 15? People came and knocked down the towers and then
>every single day of white americas life became "they're coming
>for you next" then it was "they're secretly here and waiting
>to strike" then when there was black president it was "he's
>one of them and he's waiting for his people to get you"
>
>White america has been served a daily dose of paranoia for 16
>years straight at least at this point. Even Bin Laden being
>killed wasn't enough, they wanted the body. They'll never have
>enough, there will always be more to hate, now that it's not
>just brown people it's also the whites that force them to try
>to accept brown people.
>


Wait, was this for me or Brooklyn?

I said "word" because that is what I'm getting at. How much non "presidential" sh!t Murica is accepting because they hated the black guy who had the office before.

Like...remember when bubba wasn't presidential, and even got impeached, for lying about a bl0w j0b?

Dubya was going to "restore honor and integrity to the whitehouse..."


I get that America has been f*cked up.


I get that politicians play nice and put on a show.

I get that.


But my point is just to sit back and think about all that has transpired just since p*$$y tape..? sh!!!!t


I honestly didn't think about 9-11's role. My working theory was them losing "their" country to a black man who they painted as liberal, but honestly wasn't even THAT liberal.




>Trump is the id. He was on the TV week after week, as the last
>person standing to prove Obama was one of them. He's a hero to
>a lot of them. They morphed with him.
> Historically. This won't end well.


This is also my point. It is scary how much people have accepted the past 7 months...what else is coming?

How does it get fixed, etc.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SBacP3u_TPI/hqdefault.jpg

One of the best things about being black in America is the benefit of being called every name in the book. Maybe that's why I don't I bother returning the favor.

It's become a really lame way to address posts on OKP for a minute now.

"But it's not black enough!" or "That doesn't apply to black folks!"

you disagree then you be the first to reply and we can throw stones at your glass house

>you disagree then you be the first to reply and we can throw
>stones at your glass house


But I like to think that folks are smart enough to be able to discuss separate issues. We can recognize and discuss a variety of things without it becoming a referendum on how black the issue is.

Hopefully it won't put me In the news headline

j/k

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia#Africans

similar to the us depicting Putin as the devil? And regarding racism there it certainly doesn't look WORSE than the US.

Russia doesn't have a 300+ year history systematically hating black people which has to account for something.

I agree America has a long history of using Russian propaganda as an excuse for imperialism. (Shit, US has a long excuse as using an arbitrarily chose 'other' for an excuse for their imperialism)

HOWEVER.

The whole, 'gotta hear both sides' is just disingenuous. You're effectively saying 'they fucking up' so why can't we 'fuck up'.

Putin IS the devil; he's clamped down on human rights, played with jingoism, murdered his opposition and journalists not because of some great vision of a new Soviet Union, but for motherfucking cash.

The fact that the US has bloody hands as much as Russia doesn't excuse the fact its fucked up and NEITHER should get pass.

My thing is you type like that shit don't affect you nigga and you in the trees

But if you did know you'd understand why I give zero fucks

I mean how many young men did America murk for Vietnam which wasn't based on any real threat and how many black people died and are still dying for cash? I mean if we weren't a nation that practiced such hypocrisy I'd be way more on board but shit man America has some vile unspeakable actions in its closet. I don't know I can't look at Russia and say they are worse.

You're right both are guilty and really all are but if that's the case aren't we just splitting hairs?

White supremacist gathering underscores Russia's nationalist trend
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-neonazi-20150822-story.html

Black in the USSR: what's life like for a 'Russian of colour'?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/15/black-in-the-ussr-whats-life-like-for-a-russian-of-colour

African migrants in Russia describe 'hell on Earth'
http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-russia-africans-20141102-story.html

A black couple's trip to Russia
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g298484-i718-k3299834-A_black_couple_s_trip_to_Russia-Moscow_Central_Russia.html

First Black Elected Official Defies Racism In Russia
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130102777



What what I've read, seems like a not-so-bad place to visit, but a not-so-good place to live for black people.

and personally I believe in getting your own shit straightened out before trying to straighten out someone else's

>What what I've read, seems like a not-so-bad place to visit,
>but a not-so-good place to live for black people.

I feel like this could apply to right here sometimes

but what Russia is doing is actually pretty scary.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

Nothing is "played out" about it...Dolt 45 didn't become President just because he appealed to low information, tantrum-throwing, racist white folk who could;t look at their shadow after the first black President. Putin indeed played a role....No, they are not the most dangerous mufuckas on the face of the earth. But Trump damn well is....And that's enough to connect the dots....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>If Trump goes down due to his dealings so be it, but I'm not
>team OMG Russia!!
>
>We should be working with them not against


Oh...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

it is.

What part of our democratic process is being hijacked by a foreign power, without our best interest, and is holding the president hostage are folks not getting?

Russian influence is affecting housing via shell corps and money laundering, which will determine if you'll be able to get a house or your tax rates or accelerate genetrification.

Russian influence is affecting manufacturing (Russia steel) which is determining which communities are thriving at the expense of others.

Russian influence is affecting laws, see everything Jeff Sessions is doing

Russian influence has allowed this president to be enabled by his congress, who's pushing judges in circuits at an alarming rate and unless we manage to get to 2018 and win (Russian influence) thouse court systems aren't coming back in our life times.

Russian influence is affecting our foreign policy, got some service member friends in classified jobs or in dangerous areas? They're not completely subject to the whims of Putin

Russia has infiltrated a number of our grids, has attempted to access our nuclear sites, and has stolen countless identities.

Russia is quite literally everything right now. If you choose to stay in this country you're choosing to ether be run by Russia or try to navigate life protected by it.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

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It is a LONG game. What matters is the result of Mueller's investigation. The pieces of info we get along the way - feel free to ignore them. I mostly do. Bc I can't let Maddow whip me into a frenzy every night over whatever WaPo/NYT have just found out about Trump/et al connections to various nefarious Ruskie oligarch villains. It's too much. I'll wait. Bc Mueller. And I doubt a Repug Congress will do much with the info. DOJ may not charge the right ppl. But...history. This will be remembered one way or another. The consequences may not hit Trump. But the Repugs? That party is going to answer for these shenanigans. It may not happen for years though.

fuck you.

Outside of any definitive, scathing conclusions from Mueller, Russia will not factor in one bit in the 2018 or 2020 elections.

I swear if the dems go into the mid term elections talking Trump and Russia, I am done with them.

For people's day to day lives, Russia doesn't mean shit other than it's the thing on CNN all day every day.
It's economy #1 and healthcare #2 (maybe reverse that for 2018). That's it. Don't worry about anything else.

Trump won't be impeached no matter what happens. Russia is just a thing for the legacy of the republican party and the history books.

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I don't think the Russia thing should be abandoned, because I think it is important and hell it may bring some of these f*ckers down...


But if the Dems don't start developing a positive message and figure out how to effectively resist, etc.???

We are all f*cked.

and focus on all the failures and false promises of this administration

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>and focus on all the failures and false promises of this
>administration

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"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

any dem message is better than the current repub message lol.

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except for republicans tryna downplay russias involvement in our election (for obvious partisan reasons)
and bernie supporters who wanna pin 100% of everything on how bad of a candidate clinton was.

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