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"Virginia White Man Wants To Trademark The N-Word"


  

          

Now before we get too far into the article

I just want to say that Snowflake Enterprises LLC is not a registered LLC in VA, despite what the paperwork says (link and a phone call)

https://sccefile.scc.virginia.gov/Find/Business?SearchTerm=snowflake&SearchPattern=K&as_fid=ba16649e9e99968cc873c2094c423b5012b9f32d - purged

If the entity’s status is "Purged," then its existence or registration has been canceled, revoked, terminated or withdrawn for a period of more than 5 years and, under Virginia law, the entity is not eligible for reinstatement or restoration.

So these two applications that have been submitted should be tossed out and this dude should be charged with fraud.

At the very least this sham and dude shouldn't be able to file any more of these kind of applications, so we'll see how this plays out. But I wanted to get all my info in a line before I queued up outrage

The signatory being warned that willful false statements and the like are punishable by fine or imprisonment, or both, under 18 U.S.C. § 1001, and that such willful false statements and the like may jeopardize the validity of the application or submission or any registration resulting therefrom, declares that all statements made of his/her own knowledge are true and all statements made on information and belief are believed to be true.


the article
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http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/virginia-white-man-wants-trademark-n-word.html


Following a ruling made by the U.S. Supreme Court on trademarks last month, a small group of companies and individuals are hoping to trademark racially charged words and symbols for their products, including the N-word and a swastika.

In a report from Reuters, at least nine such applications have been filed with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) following the U.S. Supreme Court’s unanimous ruling to get rid of federal law prohibiting disparaging trademarks, with the court stating the law violated free speech rights under the U.S. Constitution.

READ: New York Woman Running For Office Defends Use Of N-Word

“We’re now opening the door, chipping away at what’s acceptable under cultural norms,” Attorney David Bell, a trademark expert with the law firm Haynes and Boone, said. “I think it could be a slippery slope, where you get more people and companies thinking, ‘This is okay.'”

If the applicants follow through, products ranging from clothing and energy drinks to flags and toilet paper could become branded with the offensive material. Also, because they are federally registered trademarks, they can protect businesses against unauthorized uses of their brands, too.

According to PTO records, seven trademark applications for versions of the N-word, have been filed. One such application was filed by a white man named Steve Maynard, a Virginia consultant who helps others obtain trademarks and is the founder of Snowflake Enterprises.

The company has submitted applications to trademark a version of the N-word to appear on clothing, hard liquor and beer, and intends to turn the slur into a brand. Maynard even described one item featuring a picture of Martin Luther King with the N-word and a question mark underneath it. Regardless, Maynard insists he is “not at all” racist.

“We want to desensitize it, we want to provoke questions, we want to spark conversation and not suppress,” Maynard said during an interview with WUSA9. Maynard remained anonymous during the video interview, having reportedly received death threats from white supremacists for also hoping to trademark the swastika.

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cot damnit, Washington football team, just change the fucking name.
Jul 27th 2017
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Ironically Daman Wayans filed an application in 2005 and 2006
Jul 27th 2017
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good post
Jul 27th 2017
2
In other words, "we as white ppl shouldn't be prohibited from saying
Jul 27th 2017
3
He also filed an application for a swastika
Jul 27th 2017
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Yeah I peeped
Jul 27th 2017
7
no. the answer is no.
Jul 27th 2017
6
lol. you ain't right Boogie
Jul 27th 2017
9
      he's absolutely right
Jul 27th 2017
16
           don't everyone have that right?
Jul 27th 2017
40
                I can't shout fire if i damn well pleased in a crowded movie theater
Jul 27th 2017
43
                RE: I can't shout fire if i damn well pleased in a crowded movie theater
Jul 27th 2017
45
                Which is why I put the light quotes around 'right'
Jul 28th 2017
48
Spark what conversation?
Jul 27th 2017
8
In 2016 his employer was the patent office .... soooo
Jul 27th 2017
10
      We talking about seven people...
Jul 27th 2017
11
           There's an immediate application you can stop
Jul 27th 2017
12
There needs to be some kind of institution/clearinghouse
Jul 27th 2017
13
creatives like Erykah don't think about shit like trademarks
Jul 27th 2017
14
I agree, they dont Limp Noodle* That's the cultural aspect and I get tha...
Jul 27th 2017
21
      Not everything needs to be sold
Jul 27th 2017
27
      You don't see the vision. That's ok.
Jul 27th 2017
41
           🙄
Jul 27th 2017
42
      true, but eventually we got up on publishing and royalties
Jul 27th 2017
29
Here's a black woman that tried to register it for an educational prog
Jul 27th 2017
15
      Yeah but Snow flow and
Jul 27th 2017
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           Incorrect.
Jul 27th 2017
36
                Ah. Google messin up.
Jul 27th 2017
38
I always thought white folks had the trademark rights anyway
Jul 27th 2017
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.
Jul 27th 2017
18
lol nice
Jul 27th 2017
24
glad you get the joke Trin
Jul 27th 2017
44
Smh
Jul 27th 2017
25
The Irony of the NFL (***Skins) is
Jul 27th 2017
19
I work for the USPTO.....this and others like it will never get granted
Jul 27th 2017
20
Famous last words
Jul 27th 2017
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but it wont be tradmarked
Jul 27th 2017
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      lol, touche.
Jul 27th 2017
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      lmao
Jul 27th 2017
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If there a number to call to complain aside from the board?
Jul 27th 2017
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      complain about what?
Jul 27th 2017
31
           The LLC from VA on the application isn't legit.
Jul 27th 2017
32
                that will work itself out during prosecution...
Jul 27th 2017
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                     I had planned to register a complaint with the commerce of va
Jul 27th 2017
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Interesting because NPR has been covering a similar story
Jul 27th 2017
33
Which was the impetus for them filing this guy filing the trademarks
Jul 27th 2017
35
apparently last weeks insecure showed a sweatshirt with it*
Jul 28th 2017
46
what?
Jul 28th 2017
47

KiloMcG
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1. "cot damnit, Washington football team, just change the fucking name."
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this is getting WAAAYYYY out of hand.

  

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5. "Ironically Daman Wayans filed an application in 2005 and 2006"
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But abandoned it.

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2. "good post "
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3. "In other words, "we as white ppl shouldn't be prohibited from saying "
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anything we damn well please, and we'll go
to any length to protect that 'right'."

>“We want to desensitize it, we want to provoke questions, we
>want to spark conversation and not suppress,” Maynard said



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4. "He also filed an application for a swastika"
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Capitalism and trollism converge

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7. "Yeah I peeped"
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6. "no. the answer is no."
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9. "lol. you ain't right Boogie "
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16. "he's absolutely right "
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Coolin...

  

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40. "don't everyone have that right?"
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43. "I can't shout fire if i damn well pleased in a crowded movie theater"
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last time I checked **shrugs**

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45. "RE: I can't shout fire if i damn well pleased in a crowded movie theater"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/11/shouting-fire-in-a-crowded-theater/?utm_term=.83fa1027e00f

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48. "Which is why I put the light quotes around 'right'"
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It's stigmatized for them now, and they've never
liked that. Hence, "Why's it ok for YOU to say it
and not me??" It's like the one thing they can't
do that Black people can, and it irks them so much,
because America is built on them being able to get
away with stuff that we can't... having 'rights' that
we don't have whether legally recognized or not.
White rappers, comedians, entertainers can't use
the word the same way Black ones can without some
type of scrutiny or backlash, and they want that
not to be the case. A white person can get cut from
a team just because footage of them saying it to a
Black person was released. But why am I explaining this?
I'm out lol.

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8. "Spark what conversation?"
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>“We want to desensitize it, we want to provoke questions, we
>want to spark conversation and not suppress,” Maynard said

What conversation is my black ass supposed to have with someone that dehumanizes me? No words need to be spoken at this point at all. Am I the only person actively searching for the person that filed's employer right now? We need to have a conversation about how my lawyer is coming for their 2017 revenue from employing a racist.

I'll make sure to provoke questions and spark conversation with every employer that hires this person. By provoke questions and spark conversation I mean sue every last one of them.

  

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10. "In 2016 his employer was the patent office .... soooo"
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I mean all of his info is on the application. But what you could do is call up the trademark office after 2 (they're in training) at the moment and point out the discrepancies in his application vs Virginia's status on that LLC.

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11. "We talking about seven people..."
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“We want to desensitize it, we want to provoke questions, we want to spark conversation and not suppress,” Maynard said during an interview with WUSA9. Maynard remained anonymous during the video interview, having reportedly received death threats from white supremacists for also hoping to trademark the swastika.

Why's he going the anonymous route? Proclaim your free speech rights and try to "provoke questions" without hiding.

These seven people's names are going to come up at some point and best believe "conversations" are going to be hand.

  

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12. "There's an immediate application you can stop"
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You can do that today. Not down the line, not with employers, not targeting and identifying shadow people.

There's an application out there right now, that can be stopped.

If it's principle you're after, fine, I get that.
But don't come in Billy Badass talking about taking down the system, when you can't be bothered to take a small victory.

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13. "There needs to be some kind of institution/clearinghouse"
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that starts trademarking/copywriting/archiving Black culture and
places proceeds towards scholarships for Af-Am youth in the
arts and sciences.

Some Chicana rapper named Snow da Product (lol)
trademarked Stay Woke in an effort to educate (and make
money off the creative minds of others)
she claims.

Damnit Erykah if you're so sensitive about it you should have gotten
ahead of these culture vultures.

  

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14. "creatives like Erykah don't think about shit like trademarks"
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or care for them...

shit belongs to the universe

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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21. "I agree, they dont Limp Noodle* That's the cultural aspect and I get tha..."
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Thu Jul-27-17 01:01 PM by Meadow

          

These artists need to get like the Trump administration
and lawyer up.


>shit belongs to the universe

That's not what the USPTO office says.

*Edit for clarification

  

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27. "Not everything needs to be sold"
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She paid $225 for name that's not even associated with her as a brand, if she the artist isn't the first person you think of when you think of "stay woke" or even the 30th, she's gonna get no money from that, her twitter handle for her website was already gone so if she wants it she'll have to pay for that, there's already a big cartel site with her name so she'd have to pay for that if she wants it, her website is trash, the phrase has lasting power in language by low lasting power in clothing, she doesn't have mass distribution, her clothing line is trash, and being a subpar broke rapper she doesn't have the lasting power to pay a lawyer whenever someone uses the word on clothing.

Add that on to the proliferation of one offs like zazzle, the t shirt man in the parking lot, design by humans ... etc etc. She paid a small amount of money that she can hopefully net $1000 for, but when you think of the lawyer fees she's already paid she's going to end up owing.

So good luck to her.

As far as Trump, he's a shitty business man that licenses his name to shitty products and launders money. I'd rather our creatives not get involved with that. Trump steaks, vodka, airlines, hotels, casinos, school ... all scams. Part of the reason his administration is so corrupt is because they're all actually broke, they need the money to stay afloat. Kushner is like a couple billion in debt.


A bad idea is a bad idea, and just because some white people do it, doesn't mean we should emulate.

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41. "You don't see the vision. That's ok."
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Either way its going to get used/sold.

Might as well get paid for the cotton.

>She paid $225 for name that's not even associated with her as
>a brand, if she the artist isn't the first person you think of
>when you think of "stay woke" or even the 30th, she's gonna
>get no money from that, her twitter handle for her website was
>already gone so if she wants it she'll have to pay for that,
>there's already a big cartel site with her name so she'd have
>to pay for that if she wants it, her website is trash, the
>phrase has lasting power in language by low lasting power in
>clothing, she doesn't have mass distribution, her clothing
>line is trash, and being a subpar broke rapper she doesn't
>have the lasting power to pay a lawyer whenever someone uses
>the word on clothing.

True.

>Add that on to the proliferation of one offs like zazzle, the
>t shirt man in the parking lot, design by humans ... etc etc.
>She paid a small amount of money that she can hopefully net
>$1000 for, but when you think of the lawyer fees she's already
>paid she's going to end up owing.
>
>So good luck to her.
>

No. She doesn't deserve any luck.

>As far as Trump, he's a shitty business man that licenses his
>name to shitty products and launders money. I'd rather our
>creatives not get involved with that. Trump steaks, vodka,
>airlines, hotels, casinos, school ... all scams. Part of the
>reason his administration is so corrupt is because they're all
>actually broke, they need the money to stay afloat. Kushner is
>like a couple billion in debt.

I don't care to discuss that flaming bag of vomit situation.
I'm just saying Black artists need to cut the bullshit and make sure
they trademark and own their publishing rights.

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>A bad idea is a bad idea, and just because some white people
>do it, doesn't mean we should emulate.

It doesn't have to be done in a tacky way. I'm talking ownership/power to stop the CVs and benefit not emulation/imitation on some white is right.

  

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42. "🙄"
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29. "true, but eventually we got up on publishing and royalties"
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so maybe we will get smarter in the future

but its hard to be creative and lawyer up right after you create? We need more "trusted" black lawyers cause I can see white lawyers fucking up the paperwork and running with the money

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15. "Here's a black woman that tried to register it for an educational prog"
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http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4810:3k58it.2.8

https://www.thedreamprinciples.com/founder


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34. "Yeah but Snow flow and"
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Some clothing apparel company filed first. All were filed in the same year.

  

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36. "Incorrect."
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http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4810:3k58it.2.9

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38. "Ah. Google messin up."
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17. "I always thought white folks had the trademark rights anyway"
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18. "."
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24. "lol nice "
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44. "glad you get the joke Trin "
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and people say I'm sensitive -- good lord

  

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25. "Smh"
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19. "The Irony of the NFL (***Skins) is"
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Washington took this to the Supreme Court to keep the name

But the NFL wouldn't allow Ron Mexico jerseys

So they'd rather allow a racist name than a funny alter-ego

  

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20. "I work for the USPTO.....this and others like it will never get granted"
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https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TMEP/current#/current/TMEP-1200d1e1688.html

specifically 1202.3 statute

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Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

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22. "Famous last words"
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You going to see Ted Nugent at a White House dinner wearing a "Nigger" hat.

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23. "but it wont be tradmarked"
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Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

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26. "lol, touche. "
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28. "lmao"
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30. "If there a number to call to complain aside from the board?"
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31. "complain about what?"
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Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

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We sweat and life is not safe
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When we unite we hedge amen

  

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32. "The LLC from VA on the application isn't legit."
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37. "that will work itself out during prosecution..."
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plus the LLC has nothing to do with the application and whether its valid or not
usually the assignee goes by their name when doing an application
complaining about a valid lcc would not do anything

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Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

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We sweat and life is not safe
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When we unite we hedge amen

  

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MEAT
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39. "I had planned to register a complaint with the commerce of va"
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If the scope wasn't registered with the LLC. So I went to check the purpose of the LLC to see if alcohol merch was on there, that's when I found there was no LLC

It wasn't just to register a complaint with the patent office, it was also to report a company misrepresenting their purpose.

But thank you for the insight into proceedures

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33. "Interesting because NPR has been covering a similar story"
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/19/533514196/the-slants-win-supreme-court-battle-over-bands-name-in-trademark-dispute


An all Asian Band calling themselves 'The Slants'....

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35. "Which was the impetus for them filing this guy filing the trademarks"
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46. "apparently last weeks insecure showed a sweatshirt with it*"
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*the black acceptable non "-er" version


the problem with capitalism (one out of many) and the greedy yacubians is everything is for sale and can have a price tag attached to it



i just saw that they are trying to take the little roombas that clean ppls houses, using them to map and memorize the floorplan of every room in your house, and then selling the data to 3rd parties



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47. "what?"
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cant trust anybody or any product these days.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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