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"Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?"


  

          

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let's set some criteria for appropriation and exploitation
Jul 13th 2017
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RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?
Jul 13th 2017
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that nigga show more love to black culture than a lotta black folks lol
Jul 13th 2017
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^^^
Jul 13th 2017
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^
Jul 13th 2017
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right, he ain't never denied his black influences
Jul 13th 2017
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basically
Jul 14th 2017
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lol, exactly. 24K Magic > 21 Savage
Jul 17th 2017
72
no, I believe he's talented and genuine but not for me
Jul 13th 2017
6
yup!
Jul 13th 2017
7
RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?
Jul 14th 2017
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JBoog been a nigga from Long Beach tho so he dont count
Mar 14th 2018
81
Was wondering when this question would be asked...
Jul 14th 2017
10
not just black culture. bruno is just a pure biter
Jul 14th 2017
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I'm just gonna leave this here
Jul 14th 2017
12
No, and thank Gog for him. He's the only young-ish person doing
Jul 14th 2017
13
I'd bet not
Jul 14th 2017
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I doubt it.
Jul 16th 2017
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LOL
Mar 14th 2018
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http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg
Jul 14th 2017
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Join me for a thought experiment.
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: Join me for a thought experiment.
Jul 14th 2017
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10 years from now though.....
Jul 14th 2017
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I don't think that works because none of our parents listened to
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: Join me for a thought experiment.
Jul 14th 2017
28
House vs playground is a very arbitrary distinction
Mar 15th 2018
118
In 2017, I can't wholeheartedly say that it's solely ours anymore....
Jul 14th 2017
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I made a late pass post
Jul 17th 2017
66
I feel ike folks miss a crucial point in all this "appropriation" talk
Jul 14th 2017
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That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting.
Jul 14th 2017
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      RE: That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting.
Jul 14th 2017
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      how much is the appropriation created by the media
Jul 15th 2017
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           I agree.
Jul 16th 2017
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whichever one claims to be a gangster rapper is the guilty party
Jul 17th 2017
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We exploit it on our own; we love being mad at the wrong people
Jul 14th 2017
21
I really hate this. Seems like fake outrage.
Jul 14th 2017
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appropriating, definitely, exploiting, not sure
Jul 14th 2017
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he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude that.....
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude th...
Jul 14th 2017
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I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane.
Jul 14th 2017
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      RE: I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane.
Jul 14th 2017
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      I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so he....
Jul 14th 2017
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           yep it was all laid out for him
Jul 14th 2017
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           RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so...
Jul 14th 2017
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                RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so...
Jul 14th 2017
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                     RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so...
Jul 14th 2017
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You telling me THIS dude is passing white America?
Jul 14th 2017
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      I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black music".....
Jul 14th 2017
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           RE: I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black musi...
Jul 14th 2017
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           the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish
Jul 14th 2017
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                exactly...
Jul 14th 2017
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                RE: the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish
Jul 15th 2017
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                shit is stupid
Jul 16th 2017
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                     I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made
Jul 16th 2017
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                          RE: I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made
Jul 17th 2017
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                               people will still evaluate whether those transitions have
Jul 17th 2017
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                                    RE: people will still evaluate whether those transitions have
Jul 17th 2017
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                                    People are upset because he is versatile
Mar 14th 2018
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                                    Radiohead made OK Computer
Mar 14th 2018
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                So you want him to stay in a box?
Mar 14th 2018
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           so...is Morris Day a coon? because...thats kind of the reference
Jul 14th 2017
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                Morris Day was doing it 35 years ago, if a black man TODAY came out...
Jul 15th 2017
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                     that isnt what he asked you
Jul 16th 2017
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                     The question was an improper response to the statement
Jul 17th 2017
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                          Exactly. n/m
Jul 17th 2017
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                     He wouldn't be called a coon but it isn't "special"
Jul 16th 2017
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                          does that mean the whole Neo Soul thing was pointless?
Jul 17th 2017
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                          Bruno isn’t white
Mar 14th 2018
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Can't nobody tell me he ain't got no Black in him...
Jul 14th 2017
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Yeah. There's some negro somewhere in his bloodline.
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: Can't nobody tell me he ain't got no Black in him...
Mar 14th 2018
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This is ridiculous.
Jul 15th 2017
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So what you're REALLY saying is....
Jul 17th 2017
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I never got into him
Jul 15th 2017
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same here.
Jul 16th 2017
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naw because he ain't faking who he is and what he apreciates
Jul 16th 2017
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there are a lot of sad people in the world. how can you NOT enjoy 24k
Jul 17th 2017
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Bean pies got these niggas too constipated to enjoy anything.
Mar 14th 2018
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I like some of his songs and think he is an amazing performer
Jul 17th 2017
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Mars and Macklemore are the only dudes paying homage it seems
Jul 17th 2017
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thats fucking sad
Jul 18th 2017
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I think 9th Wonder is making the same point I was trying to make
Mar 14th 2018
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No, as I said in the other thread, Bruno Mars is Black so...
Mar 14th 2018
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THATS DIFFRENT!!!!
Mar 14th 2018
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And now we're back to the B)lack vs b)lack issue...
Mar 14th 2018
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RE: And now we're back to the B)lack vs b)lack issue...
Mar 14th 2018
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Kool Herc is Jamaican
Mar 14th 2018
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      RE: Kool Herc is Jamaican
Mar 14th 2018
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           This generation is loud but wrong on a lot of issues
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                RE: This generation is loud but wrong on a lot of issues
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                open and shut case Johnson
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                The real hood ?
Mar 14th 2018
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                RE: The real hood ?
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                Good point
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                So, by your logic it would NOT be 'appropriation' if I starting acting.....
Mar 14th 2018
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                     A dude from college fronts a reggae band in Richmond
Mar 14th 2018
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                     My milk of magnesia! When the devil made you...
Mar 14th 2018
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                     Fair enough w/ the viewpoint. FWIW I don't think Bruno is "appropriating...
Mar 14th 2018
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                          RE: Fair enough w/ the viewpoint. FWIW I don't think Bruno is "appropria...
Mar 14th 2018
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                     RE: So, by your logic it would NOT be 'appropriation' if I starting acti...
Mar 14th 2018
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                          and wasn’t Lauryn Hill middle class?
Mar 14th 2018
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We're not back to that argument, *you are.
Mar 14th 2018
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      Goes both ways
Mar 14th 2018
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*cosign*
Mar 15th 2018
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According to his wikipedia page...the answer is NO.
Mar 14th 2018
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thats how it works?
Mar 14th 2018
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      Allegedly, he was also on that MJ work schedule
Mar 14th 2018
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           He’s been at it his whole life
Mar 14th 2018
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I don't think so at all.Especially considering the racism "he" has faced
Mar 14th 2018
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I purposely avoided this post for the most part when it was made, but...
Mar 15th 2018
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Ionno man, sounds like nit picking to me
Mar 15th 2018
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You completely missed the point.
Mar 15th 2018
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      I got it, I just don’t agree with it.
Mar 15th 2018
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           Don't need you to agree, but your response says you didn't get it.
Mar 15th 2018
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                No we got it. It was aN example of u going down a worm hole lol
Mar 15th 2018
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                     Yeah, its easy to get
Mar 15th 2018
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I appreciate the nuance of "imitator" vs "app...
Mar 15th 2018
116

Cocobrotha2
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1. "let's set some criteria for appropriation and exploitation"
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Thu Jul-13-17 04:42 PM by Cocobrotha2

          

I think to avoid the appropriation label, you have to show a genuine appreciation for the culture AND the people that it came from by deliberately and proactively ACKNOWLEDGING them... GIVE as much as you TAKE from the culture... and be accepted by the culture.

With Bruno, I feel that he's been upfront about where he gets his musical inspiration from. I don't know how those guys feel about him though... and whether he's doing anything for them in the form of royalties, etc.

I don't feel like he's simply a shallow trend hopper like Vanilla Ice or a Miley Cyrus.

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2. "RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?"
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Thu Jul-13-17 05:09 PM by Selah

          

I would need to be clear on the following before positing an answer:

1st - definitions (feel free to correct as necessary):

appropriate - (verb) to take (something) for one's own use, typically without the owner's permission.

exploit - (verb) to make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)

2nd - questions
a. in order to NOT appropriate Black culture, whose permission should one obtain?
b. how exactly are we defining "Black culture"? (seriously)

my answers:
appropriate - no (again, whose permission does He need to get? if the Black folks in his band say cool, is that enough?)
exploit - no (mainly because I would have a hard time identify what specifically of his whole deal is purely ours)

off topic questions i would have related to the subject:
1. can a Black person appropriate/exploit Black culture?
2. is exploitation or appropriation inherently a bad thing? if not - where exactly is the line before it BECOMES bad?
3. do some folks get passes (e.g. Teena Marie), and if so why?

  

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3. "that nigga show more love to black culture than a lotta black folks lol"
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4. "^^^"
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5. "^"
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8. "right, he ain't never denied his black influences"
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and he gives credit where it's due



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15. "basically "
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72. "lol, exactly. 24K Magic > 21 Savage"
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6. "no, I believe he's talented and genuine but not for me"
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it's watered down and sparkling pop music, but I believe his heart is in the right place

  

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7. "yup!"
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9. "RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?"
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No...

Island boys been doing this thing here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6fgVVlPl08

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81. "JBoog been a nigga from Long Beach tho so he dont count "
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we keep it moving,

  

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10. "Was wondering when this question would be asked..."
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..I personally dig the homie's isht. He hasn't done anything to derail that with me, just yet.

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11. "not just black culture. bruno is just a pure biter"
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he make some fun songs sometimes. but we have to call a spade a spade here

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12. "I'm just gonna leave this here"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DeJgbd_a04

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13. "No, and thank Gog for him. He's the only young-ish person doing"
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anything on a major scale to possibly get black youth somewhat interested in traditional R&B and funk. I'd bet money a bunch of black kids have dug into the Time, Lakeside, G.A.P. Band, etc. because of what he's been doing the last 3 or 4 years.

  

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44. "I'd bet not"
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52. "I doubt it."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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96. "LOL "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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14. "http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg"
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http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg
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16. "RE: http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg"
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lol...

argument could be made there certainly

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17. "Join me for a thought experiment. "
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Let's say three kids grew up in Madison Wisconsin and they are all huge fans of Hip-Hop. One Kid is black, one kid is white and the other is Filipino.

They all got exposed to hip-hop the same way: BET, radio, the internet.

They all pursue music careers as rapper.

Can it be argued that the white kid is more guilty of cultural appropriation than the black or Filipino kid? Is the Filipino less guilty than the white kid?








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18. "RE: Join me for a thought experiment. "
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The one thing you've missed in their music exposure is what music was played at home.

Parents of the black, white and Filipino kids won't be playing the same music, and that makes a big influence on what music may create in the future.

  

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20. "10 years from now though....."
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27. "I don't think that works because none of our parents listened to "
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hip-hop.

I think where you discover it, home versus the world, doesn't matter so much. As long as you genuinely come to it and appreciate it.

Vanilla Ice failed this test because Hip-hop wasn't his thing. It was something dreamed up at a record label.



>The one thing you've missed in their music exposure is what
>music was played at home.
>
>Parents of the black, white and Filipino kids won't be playing
>the same music, and that makes a big influence on what music
>may create in the future.
>


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28. "RE: Join me for a thought experiment. "
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Neither would parents of different black kids...

one grows up on gospel

one grows up on 80s hits and R&B

one grows up on jazz and classical

one grows up on reggae

they all decide to rap though.. so

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118. "House vs playground is a very arbitrary distinction"
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19. "In 2017, I can't wholeheartedly say that it's solely ours anymore...."
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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66. "I made a late pass post"
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for Paul C. McKasty for the same reason.To find out now that early hip hop had multiple Rick Rubins makes me question the color monopoly in general as a rational-minded person.

The combination made my eyes bleed.

  

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23. "I feel ike folks miss a crucial point in all this "appropriation" talk"
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>Let's say three kids grew up in Madison Wisconsin and they
>are all huge fans of Hip-Hop. One Kid is black, one kid is
>white and the other is Filipino.
>
>They all got exposed to hip-hop the same way: BET, radio, the
>internet.
>
>They all pursue music careers as rapper.
>
>Can it be argued that the white kid is more guilty of cultural
>appropriation than the black or Filipino kid? Is the Filipino
>less guilty than the white kid?

In your example, I don't see anyone actually appropriating anything.

I see appropriation when someone tries to change a fundamental aspect of hip-hop (in this case) in order to alter who is credited for it, who consumes it or how it's viewed.

White kid or Filipino kid creating or enjoying hip-hop? He's not appropriating anything.

White kid adding a country angle to hip-hop and saying that hip-hop has always been music for everybody? Nah, at that point he's changing some fundamental tenets of hip-hop in order to bring outsiders under the tent.

  

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26. "That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting. "
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> White kid adding a country angle to hip-hop and saying that
>hip-hop has always been music for everybody? Nah, at that
>point he's changing some fundamental tenets of hip-hop in
>order to bring outsiders under the tent.


Interesting but I am having a problem with the notion that there are fundamental tenants of hip-hop. I think art is always changing and evolving. I think the best thing an artist can do is break the rules. I think the only rule is has to be dope, so if a white boy makes dope country rap and expands the definition of rap, I am with that. I think Eminem did that to a certain extent.


Here is what I think Cultural Appropriation is. Stealing peoples stuff and passing it off as your own. White Musicians going down to the Blues Delta listening to black bluesmen and then passing that music off as their own? That's Cultural Appropriation. Madonna learning Voguing from the gays and passing it off as her own? That's Cultural Appropriation. Miley Cyrus being credited for inventing twerking? That's Cultural Appropriation.

Now there is a thin line between an artist bringing a certain cultural practice to a larger audience while giving credit to the creators, I think that's okay. Maybe Madonna did that. I forget.





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46. "RE: That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting. "
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.
>
>
>Here is what I think Cultural Appropriation is. Stealing
>peoples stuff and passing it off as your own. White
>Musicians going down to the Blues Delta listening to black
>bluesmen and then passing that music off as their own? That's
>Cultural Appropriation. Madonna learning Voguing from the
>gays and passing it off as her own? That's Cultural
>Appropriation. Miley Cyrus being credited for inventing
>twerking? That's Cultural Appropriation.
>
>Now there is a thin line between an artist bringing a certain
>cultural practice to a larger audience while giving credit to
>the creators, I think that's okay. Maybe Madonna did that. I
>forget.
>

That's where I'm at with it. Bruno credits Black music as the foundation of American music, including Puerto Rican music. Cultural appropriation rarely or doesn't give credit to the source at all. They'd rather take the credit for themselves.


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48. "how much is the appropriation created by the media"
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vs the artist? mind you, I don't follow miley or bruno much, but have either of them ever claimed a style as their own that clearly came from other influences? anybody with any sense knows that miley aint created no damn twerking. lol. even madonna....did she ever tell folks that she created Vogue?

a lot of those white artists that went down in the Delta also gave credit to the artists they pulled from. the rolling stones have always talked about where they got their style from. as has bruce springsteen.

point is, I think the media and the unaware audiences push the narrative of who created what rather than the artists themselves.

nah, you trippin

  

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65. "whichever one claims to be a gangster rapper is the guilty party"
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there is nothing wrong with being from the midwest or the burbs and doing rap.


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21. "We exploit it on our own; we love being mad at the wrong people"
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22. "I really hate this. Seems like fake outrage. "
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but at the same time I'm having a hard time making a case for Bruno.

i dunno, it just SEEMS like he is authentically into black stuff and is invested

none of this would hold up in court though.

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24. "appropriating, definitely, exploiting, not sure"
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25. "he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude that....."
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sounded just like Bruno Mars sang those songs and performed the way Bruno does he wouldn't be taken seriously.

But because its a latino-asian guy with curly hair that acts like a black dude surrounded by his black band/backup dancers/hypemen people think its something special.

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29. "RE: he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude th..."
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There is no all around better performer and songwriter than Bruno Mars currently (int he commercial space) ..

As talented as Phil (Bruno writing partner in smeezingtons) is he is on 10 with Bruno involved...

Anderson, C Breezy and Janelle are as dope performance wise and Janelle got some of the same looks as Bruno early one but end of the day

his songs are on smash..

So you can say it wouldn't happen but there is no one to even compare it too..

Chris Brown could be one of the biggest artists on the planet with his talent.. but A. he gets in his own way and B. His songs dont hit like that

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31. "I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane. "
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Which is a shame, but I can't think of a Male artist who is going after the BBQ music that the parents, grandparents and children can all listen to like Michael Jackson.

When a new Chris Brown track pops up on my spotify I got to run and cut if off before my kids hear:

Why your pussy so damn good, miss lady?
Go and put that booty up, baby, one on one
You know I'ma go crazy when your legs in the air
You know your panties never getting in the way
You know I kinda like it, when you make me work for it


>There is no all around better performer and songwriter than
>Bruno Mars currently (int he commercial space) ..
>
>As talented as Phil (Bruno writing partner in smeezingtons) is
>he is on 10 with Bruno involved...
>
>Anderson, C Breezy and Janelle are as dope performance wise
>and Janelle got some of the same looks as Bruno early one but
>end of the day
>
>his songs are on smash..
>
>So you can say it wouldn't happen but there is no one to even
>compare it too..
>
>Chris Brown could be one of the biggest artists on the planet
>with his talent.. but A. he gets in his own way and B. His
>songs dont hit like that


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32. "RE: I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane. "
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Ha...

and its a shame cuz C Breezy really has the talent to be on some crazy big shit

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33. "I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so he...."
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had no choice but to the bad boy route. Before that his career was on an amazing trajectory, Forever was becoming the default white folk wedding song, he was starting to acting roles, then it all came crashing down. And he's still having an amazing career by normal standards but he could've been so much more.

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35. "yep it was all laid out for him"
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once those pics came out it was over. if it wasnt so severe i think he could've recovered.

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36. "RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so..."
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Nah...

Deuces, Loyal, Post To Be, Look At Me Now, were HUGE Post Rih

Think Like A Man was Post Rih

Chris stopped making big records and everything else outside of music fucks his scenario up

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40. "RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so..."
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>Nah...
>
>Deuces, Loyal, Post To Be, Look At Me Now, were HUGE Post
>Rih
>
>Think Like A Man was Post Rih
>
>Chris stopped making big records and everything else outside
>of music fucks his scenario up

No doubt he's had success post Rih but I think he could've been even bigger in the mainstream lane, after the Rih shit he seemed to veer back into the "R&B bad boy" mode. I feel like he could've done mainstream movies and tv also but after Rih white people weren't fucking with him like that.

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43. "RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so..."
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I agree that white folks "felt a way" after that...

at the same time he couldve weathered that storm..

I mean Rihanna post fight... became BadGallRiRi to much success.. she kept making hits though..

He stopped and KEPT up with the bullshit with karruche and all that

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30. "You telling me THIS dude is passing white America?"
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http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/stylus/500186-bruno_mars_mugshot_617_409.jpg

Not going to say there's colorism happening on top of racism with white America but he's about as accepted as this dude was pre-rihanna.

http://crazy-frankenstein.com/free-wallpapers-files/male-celebrity/chris-brown-wallpapers/chris-brown-young-wallpapers-1600x1200.jpg

He would still get pulled over by the cops and arrested for some bullshit (which he was, lol). Not sure how a half puerto rican, half filipino is suddenly not allowed to do black music; we got hella spanish guitar songs from the '00's we owe royalties on then, LOL

  

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34. "I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black music"....."
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its more of the performance lane he tries to be in when you see him perform songs like Uptown Funk & 24K Magic with the hats and shades and gold chains surrounded by the "brothas" jumping and dancing he's like a caricature of a black man. If an actual black man was doing that it would be called "cooning".

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38. "RE: I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black musi..."
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He has had the same band since day one... his ACTUAL brother is on the drums

Phillip Lawrence co-writes and co-produces with him in all those records..

think its reaching just to reach

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39. "the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish"
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from "the lazy song" and "you're amazing just the way to are"

to

"uptown funk"

"24 carat"

and "that's what I like"


is like night and day


so....


to make a leap like that seems kinda fake if there doesn't seem to be a good reason for it.

  

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41. "exactly..."
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>from "the lazy song" and "you're amazing just the way to
>are"
>
>to
>
>"uptown funk"
>
>"24 carat"
>
>and "that's what I like"
>
>
>is like night and day
>
>
>so....
>
>
>to make a leap like that seems kinda fake if there doesn't
>seem to be a good reason for it.
>
>

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50. "RE: the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish"
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Did you forget Treasure existed?

I think on unorthodox jukebox when Treasure blew the fuck up and was the prototype for Uptown Funk he just kinda ran with the lane... outside of say Chromeo and Mayer Hawthorne it wasnt being touched at mainstream

its more fun to practice and perform dance moves with your homies than sit at a piano and belt out ballads anyway...

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55. "shit is stupid"
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people are mad at him for bringing funk, soul, and disco into contemporary music?

thats a new one for me

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57. "I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made"
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before Bruno did "Treasure" called "give a little more"

I played that MP3 of "give a little more" by Maroon 5 quite often, so I seemed to be happy they brought that MJ-style into the 21st century.

but...

Maroon started their career in that vein (I know as Kara's Flowers they were more "rock" but as Maroon 5.....)

so they seem "genuine" with it

whereas...

Bruno started with "lazy song" and "you're amazing just the way you are"

so

that pipsqueaky "treasure" song didn't seem to warrant that recent caricaturish shift to me.


Some things come off as "working" (Maroon 5) and some don't (24 carat)

  

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60. "RE: I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made"
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Maroon 5 is also not "sunday morning" maroon 5 anymore either..

M5 is adam levine singing whatever song was written and produced for him featuring some guys that then pkay those songs on the road...

Everyone transitions

Bruno is here for hits.. for a great song.. no gossip... no bullshit... he gives you hits and then hes gone.

His authenticity is based solely on writing smashes... and performing the shitoutnof them.. thats it

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61. "people will still evaluate whether those transitions have "
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progressed in a manner that seems (seemed) "organic" or "natural" or "reasonable" or whether the transitions were "jarring" or "off-putting"

The Red Hot Chili Peppers obviously changed over the years due to band members dying or leaving but most would say their transitions seemed "reasonable"

The band Fishbone however put a lot of heavy rock songs on their "give a monkey a brain..." album and one friend of mine who recently got into Fishbone from an album that had some rock songs on it ("truth and soul") reacted to "Give a monkey a brain..." by saying "that's not Fishbone"



that's how transitions can work or not work.

  

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71. "RE: people will still evaluate whether those transitions have "
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For sure....

Imo the transition from unorthodox jukebox to 24kt is natural... he went from early to mid 80s hits to late 80s early 90s hits..

People forget uptown funk is not a bruno idea.. its a mark ronson/jeff bhasker one that bruno and phil executed incredibly...

Once that happened it solidified the idea that bruno could bring 80s r&b (that was never on pop radio) to the masses again..

and thats what he is doing

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94. "People are upset because he is versatile"
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and it seems like everything he does is a hit

I guess its because we are used to Black artist being strictly R&B.. or rap.

How dare this dude do some slow shit, some melodic shit, some funky shit, some rock shit and all of it sells.

Its not fair, he's cheating..

shut up already, damn

  

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93. "Radiohead made OK Computer"
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then came back with Kid A.

When I went to Tower records to buy it at 12:01 AM I heard a banging programmed drum and asked who the fuck was that playing?

Its Radiohead

Totally

Different

Sound

shut up already, damn

  

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92. "So you want him to stay in a box? "
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He cant change lanes or genres because????

Thats just dumb

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42. "so...is Morris Day a coon? because...thats kind of the reference"
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or at least one very prevalent influence

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47. "Morris Day was doing it 35 years ago, if a black man TODAY came out..."
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acting like Morris Day yes he would be called a coon.

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56. "that isnt what he asked you"
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he didnt ask you what he would be called.

being something and being called something are not the same

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62. "The question was an improper response to the statement"
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ThaTruth didn't even say what Bruno is or isn't.
He said what he'd be called... so he stuck to
the conversation he initiated.
I mean since we're convo policing and all.

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67. "Exactly. n/m"
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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58. "He wouldn't be called a coon but it isn't "special""
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It's not as cool when a black man does what Bruno does because black men are supposed to be funky

Same reason Adele gets the love she does. It's not special when black women are soulful.

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70. " does that mean the whole Neo Soul thing was pointless?"
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because a major selling point with Neo Soul was about a revival

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79. "Bruno isn’t white"
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He is a darker shade then Buddy and held my fam on my Dads side.

Not sure how folks put Adele and Bruno in the same convo.

shut up already, damn

  

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37. "Can't nobody tell me he ain't got no Black in him..."
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LQQK @ his pic>>>> http://brownsugar7341.bizhosting.com.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/BrunoMars.jpg

Puerto Rican, Asian w/Black sprinkled on top...Ooop, there it is !!!

BM ain't shakin' or fakin' his Black side...I love him !!!



I LUV U 2!!!

  

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45. "Yeah. There's some negro somewhere in his bloodline."
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Since 1976

  

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78. "RE: Can't nobody tell me he ain't got no Black in him..."
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I mean..

Maybe if he does an ancestry dna test thing..

Puerto Ricans may or may not have African blood.

Filipinos may or may not have African blood.

It's not outside the realm of possibility.

  

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49. "This is ridiculous."
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Shame on everyone chiming in positively on this thread. Your whole worldview will be dead in 5 years. At which time....you will claim to have never held it. For now...shame.

Any other argument I make against this premise is like fighting a ghost. A pale, light-skinned ghost.

There WILL be a race to centrist liberal values. Meet you there.

  

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69. "So what you're REALLY saying is...."
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Is that you don't really know what the hell you're talking about and need to shut the entire fuck up in these topics because you're just another alt-right buffoon with a severe detachment to anything outside the cherry-picking assed ideology to which you subsribe?

WHEW

That's a relief

I'm glad to see you finally arrived at that conclusion on your own and nobody had to actually tell you.

I'm glad we had this talk and look forward to you keeping your word on this.

  

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51. "I never got into him"
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too much biting, just not my type of vibe.

  

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53. "same here."
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I kinda liked his first album. now it just seems like he's play acting.

nah, you trippin

  

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59. "naw because he ain't faking who he is and what he apreciates"
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turkeys acting like Michael Jackson ain't threw a nod in his light is wrong.

Bruno is the real deal though the only knock i got is that he has to do more real songs and i would say one more uptempo album based and then just keep on writing better and better.

the cat can bring it live and he is the truth he just has to take more of a Bobby brown attitude and not be one of the fellas and that is what a true lead "It" act understands and gets.

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63. "there are a lot of sad people in the world. how can you NOT enjoy 24k"
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??????????



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75. "Bean pies got these niggas too constipated to enjoy anything."
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64. "I like some of his songs and think he is an amazing performer"
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I haven't been to a show but I enjoy his performances as the SB and award shows.

all that being said, dude is kind of a biter. Seems like all his hits are blatant rip offs of old hits.

he does it well tho and he pays up

shut up already, damn

  

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68. "Mars and Macklemore are the only dudes paying homage it seems"
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nm

  

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73. "thats fucking sad"
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and i dug 24k magic a lot

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74. "I think 9th Wonder is making the same point I was trying to make"
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about all of us growing up on the same music.

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76. "No, as I said in the other thread, Bruno Mars is Black so..."
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...he can't *appropriate his own shit.

Afro-Americans really need to learn a lot more about Afro-Latinos.
Black is Black whether you are an African descendant in North America(United States), or an African descendant in South America(Latin America).


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77. "THATS DIFFRENT!!!!"
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shut up already, damn

  

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80. "And now we're back to the B)lack vs b)lack issue..."
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That arguments ("we're all black!") works until one considers African-Americans (capital Bs) as a unique and separate culture Which a lot of people apparently loath to do).

Since we're talking CULTURE here and not RACE, the it's very valid to wonder:

a) Was Bruno Mars actually raised within Af-Am culture? In Hawaii?

b) If not, then he's definitely copying the culture (not gonna go as far as appropriation, because he seems to cite his sources).


  

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82. "RE: And now we're back to the B)lack vs b)lack issue..."
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>That arguments ("we're all black!") works until one considers
>African-Americans (capital Bs) as a unique and separate
>culture Which a lot of people apparently loath to do).
>
>Since we're talking CULTURE here and not RACE, the it's very
>valid to wonder:
>
>a) Was Bruno Mars actually raised within Af-Am culture? In
>Hawaii?
>

>b) If not, then he's definitely copying the culture (not gonna
>go as far as appropriation, because he seems to cite his
>sources).
>
So... without the cultural exchange from Black Caribbeans, African Americans, Afro Latinos and Latinos we would not have Hip Hop, Bossa Nova, Reggae, Reggaeton, Dance Music etc...

This link has existed and goes both ways... He isnt biting shit because the conversation is continuous and has always gone both ways...

EDIT: As a larger conversation piece I do agree that it should be accepted and understood that African American's are a distinct ethnicity in the same way that Jamaicans and Guyanese are. The Diaspora can exist as a collective while still recognizing and respecting unique cultural differences.

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83. "Kool Herc is Jamaican"
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Folks need to slow down with this shit.

I listened to a video of the woman ckaiming Bruno was a vulture. She said if Michael Jackson came out in 2018 he wouldnt be as popular.

Man, these people just mad and throsing shit at the wall, seeing what sticks

shut up already, damn

  

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84. "RE: Kool Herc is Jamaican"
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I hate that they are so reductionist..

Generations literally grew up with AND watched Michael Jackson grow up. He was embedded into the psyche of my moms generation (parents are 60). People talmbout MTV when MTV wasn't even MTV Like how we know it before Mike came through and made it so.

We have no modern music examples of MJ black, white or otherwise to compare him to. There isnt anyone in 20th or 21st century outside of child actors that have lived that long in the zeitgeist.

SIDENOTE:

Funny shit is cats watched "The Breakdown" and didn't say shit about what the characters were "ethnically". For everything it got wrong that is what it got all the way right. The melting pot made this shit we cherish today.

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86. "This generation is loud but wrong on a lot of issues"
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Theh want everything to be (B)lack but refuse to admit some of the orignators were (b)lack.

and whats really frustrating is a lot of these internet activist arent creating much more than vlogs and lazy think pieces.

shut up already, damn

  

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87. "RE: This generation is loud but wrong on a lot of issues"
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There was someone on twitter who also brought up...

A lot of these loud and wrong kids are cul de sac kids. They didn't exist IN the experience. A lot of it might be them trying to reconcile their blackness and class privilege because they didnt grow up in "the shits".

real question is anyone who sparks these convos in the real hood at a barbershop doing it?

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88. "open and shut case Johnson "
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90. "The real hood ?"
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>There was someone on twitter who also brought up...
>
>A lot of these loud and wrong kids are cul de sac kids. They
>didn't exist IN the experience. A lot of it might be them
>trying to reconcile their blackness and class privilege
>because they didnt grow up in "the shits".
>
>real question is anyone who sparks these convos in the real
>hood at a barbershop doing it?

You can't limit people based on that.

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101. "RE: The real hood ?"
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I am not...

THEY are... their perception of their own Blackness is seen through the lens of Pop Culture Black.

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95. "Good point"
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I have a friend who is African garbed out.

She wasnt even allowed to hang at the black community center growing up.

She went to a HBCU and got turned out

Now all her kids have african names and she is pro blackitty black black black. She is all about our people and teaches the youth.. good person all around but she went all the way in.

shut up already, damn

  

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89. "So, by your logic it would NOT be 'appropriation' if I starting acting....."
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...Jamaican, Guyanese, Brasillian, etc. because "we're all black" and *my* influences are from those places (which is actually true for me)?

Would my (practiced) Jamaican accent be just "honoring" because I grew up listening to Jacob Miller? If I worked on my accent and started singing, would I be seen as a fake? (Jafakin')

Could I dress like this: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yNzJsDLGl1w/VwvPgVxAXMI/AAAAAAAACcQ/BfvYSJVRbss0vQ3z8IKWW9UnW3b1pviNg/s1600/IMG-20160403-WA0068.jpg
without being insulted as a "culture vulture" or a "hotepper?"

Can I rep Pittsburgh's slang, energy and culture even though I've never even been there, but am a fan of the city and watched "Fences?"



If the answers are "yes" then I have no argument.

  

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91. "A dude from college fronts a reggae band in Richmond"
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Hes from Charlottesville. I think they usually win best reggae band in Richmond or VA.

I also know a white reggae band from DC who tours all over the world.

While I think its hilarious because none of them are Jamaican I also think folks dont really care as kong as the music sounds good.

Jamaicans might be offended tho.

I grew up in thr burbs outside of Pittsburgh. Pitsburgh slang pretty nuch sounds like Cali slang. Think of Whiz Kalifa. If thats how you want to sound I don't give a shit.


I went to college with a bunch of ethnicities at VCU. Women went thru phases, dressed in the african garb and dudes had the Jafaken accents. Some of them still rock that dhjt and their kids have African names even tho the grew up in the burbs.

If thats the life you want to live I wont stop you from doing it. Just try to be sensitive and respect the culture you are trying to emulate.


Ionno man, judt dont ckap back like Iggy Azelia whe someone challenges you or questions your intent.

I think if folk ask Bruno about music history he isnt going to be a dear in headlights. Folks act like Bruno is on some "who's Teddy Riley?"


I think one has to do their homework and really be about it. Dont be in African garb and slide thru with a white girl.

shut up already, damn

  

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98. "My milk of magnesia! When the devil made you..."
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99. "Fair enough w/ the viewpoint. FWIW I don't think Bruno is "appropriating..."
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Or "stealing." I do think he's emulating somewhat tho. Nothing wrong with that at all (see my comment in the Quincy Jones/Mike Jackson post).

I go hard in these posts because I CONSTANTLY see a version this logic:

Black American culture == "hip hop" == hip hop is by/for everyone! == Black American culture is *everyone's* culture == Black Americans have no culture (so how could anyone appropriate what didn't exist in the first place?).


Every time. It's like a lot of people are offended by the notion of Black Americans having agency.

  

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102. "RE: Fair enough w/ the viewpoint. FWIW I don't think Bruno is "appropria..."
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>

>Black American culture == "hip hop" == hip hop is by/for
>everyone! == Black American culture is *everyone's* culture
>== Black Americans have no culture (so how could anyone
>appropriate what didn't exist in the first place?).
>

Yea I hope that the arguments in this post were not trying to convey that. Cuz that'd be a fucking leap.

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103. "RE: So, by your logic it would NOT be 'appropriation' if I starting acti..."
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>...Jamaican, Guyanese, Brasillian, etc. because "we're all
>black" and *my* influences are from those places (which is
>actually true for me)?
>
>Would my (practiced) Jamaican accent be just "honoring"
>because I grew up listening to Jacob Miller? If I worked on my
>accent and started singing, would I be seen as a fake?
>(Jafakin')
>
>Could I dress like this:
>https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yNzJsDLGl1w/VwvPgVxAXMI/AAAAAAAACcQ/BfvYSJVRbss0vQ3z8IKWW9UnW3b1pviNg/s1600/IMG-20160403-WA0068.jpg
>without being insulted as a "culture vulture" or a
>"hotepper?"
>
>Can I rep Pittsburgh's slang, energy and culture even though
>I've never even been there, but am a fan of the city and
>watched "Fences?"
>

We do this all the time. "Thot" was a chicago slang that went national, Saying "Yo" clearly started in NY. Everyone saying "man dem", "mans dem", "ting" currently are all using Jamaican terms. Kid N Play (NYC) as a group blew up off Go Go styled records (DC). The Fugees were 2 Haitians and an American Black woman in love with Jamaican dancehall culture and utilized the communication and merging with Hip hop for success.


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104. "and wasn’t Lauryn Hill middle class? "
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she kinda lost herself and ended up heartbroken chasing after a Marley.

She went all the way in.

I may be wrong about it but I seem to remember her relationship didn’t end well.

shut up already, damn

  

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106. "We're not back to that argument, *you are."
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That 'Black vs. black' nonsense has always been ridiculous and invalid.

>That arguments ("we're all black!") works until one considers
>African-Americans (capital Bs) as a unique and separate
>culture Which a lot of people apparently loath to do)

What you are speaking of right ^^there is *nationality, NOT ethnicity. Black people in North America need to learn the distinction. Because that type of ignorance is what had Charlamagne confused about Amara La Negra on breakfast club, but I digress.



Semantics be damn, here is the facts(as opposed to opinion):

We are all Black(as in: African, of the indigenous African ethnic groups that have been dispersed into the Americas involuntarily< < <that is a fact, not an opinion)The disconnect is, a lot of Black people in America don't know the difference between ethnicity and nationality(<this is where the disconnect is).

So when I say, Bruno is Black, I'm not talking about his nationality(you are), I'm talking about his ethnicity(of which, Bruno is poly-ethnic or multi-ethnic since he has African, Asian and European blood in him).


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107. "Goes both ways"
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>That 'Black vs. black' nonsense has always been ridiculous
>and invalid.
>
>>That arguments ("we're all black!") works until one
>considers
>>African-Americans (capital Bs) as a unique and separate
>>culture Which a lot of people apparently loath to do)
>
>What you are speaking of right ^^there is *nationality, NOT
>ethnicity. Black people in North America need to learn the
>distinction. Because that type of ignorance is what had
>Charlamagne confused about Amara La Negra on breakfast club,
>but I digress.
>
>
>
>Semantics be damn, here is the facts(as opposed to opinion):
>
>We are all Black(as in: African, of the indigenous African
>ethnic groups that have been dispersed into the Americas
>involuntarily< < <that is a fact, not an opinion)The
>disconnect is, a lot of Black people in America don't know the
>difference between ethnicity and nationality(<this is where
>the disconnect is).
>

Do they wanna be Black ? Do those on the islands and the continent of Africa embrace Black(as in: African, of the indigenous African
>ethnic groups that have been dispersed into the Americas
>involuntarily) ?

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/13/593272215/for-the-first-time-2020-census-will-ask-black-americans-about-their-exact-origin


>So when I say, Bruno is Black, I'm not talking about his
>nationality(you are), I'm talking about his ethnicity(of
>which, Bruno is poly-ethnic or multi-ethnic since he has
>African, Asian and European blood in him).
>
>

Does Bruno say he is Black ?

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114. "*cosign*"
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85. "According to his wikipedia page...the answer is NO."
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His father is purported to be half puerto rican, from Brookly NY = black

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97. "thats how it works?"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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100. "Allegedly, he was also on that MJ work schedule"
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"Mars is one of six children and came from a musical family which exposed him to a diverse mix of genres including: reggae, rock, hip hop, and R&B. His mother was both a singer and a dancer, and his father performed Little Richard rock and roll music. Mars' uncle was an Elvis impersonator, and also encouraged three-year-old Mars to perform on stage. Mars performed songs by artists such as Michael Jackson, The Isley Brothers, and The Temptations. At the age of four, Mars began performing five days a week with his family's band, The Love Notes, and became known on the island for his impersonation of Presley. In 1990, Mars was featured in MidWeek as "Little Elvis", and later appeared in a cameo role in the film Honeymoon in Vegas (1992), and performed in the halftime show of the 1990 Aloha Bowl."

AT THE AGE OF FOUR HE WAS PERFORMING 5 DAYS A WEEK WITH HIS FAMILY'S BAND COVERING SONGS BY MJ, THE ISLEYS AND TEMPS

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105. "He’s been at it his whole life"
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but folks act like he just got on 5 years ago.

Dude wrote a lot of songs for different artist too.

He’s just one of those artist who has been at it so long they can do al types of genres.

My partner from back in the day can freestyle with the best of them. Dude just wrote a KPOP song. He can write love songs, real, rap, rock, etc.

Some people are just gifted.

shut up already, damn

  

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108. "I don't think so at all.Especially considering the racism "he" has faced"
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from within the industry because he's Latino.. which in and of itself is fucked up because as others have said, hip hop culture originated due to confluence of people from multiple cultural backgrounds including Latinos.

It's sad to watch members of the Black community relish in using the same exclusionary tactics that have been used against them.

I mean, the man was forced to change his name because industry heads couldn't wrap their head around a dude named Hernandez singing R&B (from his wiki):

"In a cover story for Entertainment Weekly, Mars stated that the song "Nothin' on You" was rejected by a "music industry decision-maker" (a person he won't name) because of his race. That experience made him feel like a "mutant", and he says that was his lowest point. "Even with that song in my back pocket to seal the deal, things like that are coming out of people's mouths. It made me feel like I wasn't even in the room." In April 2013, in a cover story for GQ magazine, Mars confessed that he changed his surname because people in the music industry took him as another Latino artist, and even tried to convince him to sing in Spanish saying: "Your last name's Hernandez, maybe you should do the Latin music, this Spanish music... Enrique is so hot right now”. Nevertheless, Mars used his childhood nickname Bruno and changed his surname to Mars, in an effort to "avoid being stereotyped"

  

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109. "I purposely avoided this post for the most part when it was made, but..."
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I do have some thoughts on it.

I have mixed feelings on the "appropriation" tag for him. I mean the definition literally fits, considering he was almost sued for jacking folks stuff... but then he paid up. What I do like about him is that he's gives credit to the originators of the sounds he's using. He's not afraid to do that. I don't know if I've ever heard of him addressing how his racially ambiguous or "exotic" looks contribute to his success, but I'd respect that. I can imagine that that's hard for him, because he actually is talented, and he might not want to imply that it was anything other than his hard work that opened doors for him or allows non-black folks to connect/relate to him, but... I'll just leave it at that.

As for my feelings on his music, I'll use something I saw in his Super Bowl performance in 2014. He did this paint-by-numbers James Brown imitation where he moved his feet, spun, and did a split. He did that whole sequence twice, but he did it exactly the same way both times. Like he was counting the steps to the move... as if he learned the sequence just for the performance... no feeling, no soul... just an obviously planned "improvisation." It amazed me that there were people who were impressed with that. It looked completely canned to me. But just the fact that he did it at all kinda got him a participation award in some ppl's eyes. That paint-by-numbers approach is how I see everything he does. He's found the keys to imitating people but not the soul. It's just someone going through the motions. He's like the JAY PHAROAH of music to me. He can imitate anyone and sound exactly like them. Jay can sound exactly like Denzel Washington, but he can't imitate his acting skill. Jay can imitate Eddie Murphy, but he can't be Eddie Murphy funny. Bruno can imitate MJ, Bobby Brown, James Brown, etc, but he can't be as soulful as them. Bruno goes as far as his talent can take him, and many of his songs are enjoyable... I mean, he's imitating the best. People talk about how he's got it honest because he grew up IMITATING Elvis. So lemme get this straight... he's true to Black soulfulness because he grew up imitating an imitator of Black soul? I swear people don't think their ideas through, lol. But here's the other thing that gives him away... he didn't come in the game doing this "Black soul" act he's doing now. He was a folksy pop guy at first. Then Uptown Funk hit and he stuck with it, because it hit. Consider this... James Brown came in the industry having to make the kinds of songs that were being recorded at the time. He eventually changed his sound, because his soul wouldn't let him keep doing something he didn't feel. When his own sound caught on, he changed music. Bruno changed his sound because of a song that was handed to him. He didn't revolutionize the game... he just kept getting his sound from elsewhere (as in imitating). He just sounds like exactly what he is... someone who doesn't have their own sound. Canned music, canned dance moves... paint-by-numbers. Other people innovated these things... he just imitates them. Yeah it's fun, enjoyable etc, b/c he's a good imitator who imitating fun and enjoyable artists... so when Meshell Ndegeocello says he's singing karaoke, that makes complete sense to me. He came up doing exactly that, right? If you wanna talk about just "who he is" it's an imitator at heart. He's trained for it since he was 6, correct? I don't see him having moved beyond that.

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110. "Ionno man, sounds like nit picking to me"
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He counts his steps while performing?

Lmao

shut up already, damn

  

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111. "You completely missed the point."
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Pretty sure that's on purpose tho.
It's like you didn't read past the first 4 sentences or so of the 2nd paragraph.

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112. "I got it, I just don’t agree with it. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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113. "Don't need you to agree, but your response says you didn't get it."
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That's whatever tho.

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115. "No we got it. It was aN example of u going down a worm hole lol"
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Shit read like a transcript for one of those youtube conspiracy theorist videos about how celebs being in the illuminati LMAO matching shapes as evidence

I love that because we don't agree we dont understand

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117. "Yeah, its easy to get"
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He thinks dude is a paint by number artist who counts his steps. A performer but nothing originally or soulful...

I dont agree.

No 2 entertainers are alike.

The whole "he did his lil move and folks acted like it was the greatest thing.." (I'm paraphrasing, I know Boogie will say that isnt exactly what he said) but that point is weird to me. Folks prolly thought it was great because it looked good AND he was jamming.

I think the main issue with Bruno is before that SB performance folks had low expectations or thought he was corny. He came out and rocked that shit. Regardless if you like or hate him his SB peformance was top 5. I had low expectations and he surprised the hell out of me.

Doesnt mean he is James Brown level or Prince level but dude did his thing.

Its unfortunate to see folks knock him like this.

shut up already, damn

  

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116. "I appreciate the nuance of &amp;quot;imitator&amp;quot; vs &amp;quot;app..."
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>I do have some thoughts on it.
>
>I have mixed feelings on the "appropriation" tag for him. I
>mean the definition literally fits, considering he was almost
>sued for jacking folks stuff... but then he paid up. What I
>do like about him is that he's gives credit to the originators
>of the sounds he's using. He's not afraid to do that. I
>don't know if I've ever heard of him addressing how his
>racially ambiguous or "exotic" looks contribute to his
>success, but I'd respect that. I can imagine that that's hard
>for him, because he actually is talented, and he might not
>want to imply that it was anything other than his hard work
>that opened doors for him or allows non-black folks to
>connect/relate to him, but... I'll just leave it at that.
>
>As for my feelings on his music, I'll use something I saw in
>his Super Bowl performance in 2014. He did this
>paint-by-numbers James Brown imitation where he moved his
>feet, spun, and did a split. He did that whole sequence
>twice, but he did it exactly the same way both times. Like he
>was counting the steps to the move... as if he learned the
>sequence just for the performance... no feeling, no soul...
>just an obviously planned "improvisation." It amazed me that
>there were people who were impressed with that. It looked
>completely canned to me. But just the fact that he did it at
>all kinda got him a participation award in some ppl's eyes.
>That paint-by-numbers approach is how I see everything he
>does. He's found the keys to imitating people but not the
>soul. It's just someone going through the motions. He's like
>the JAY PHAROAH of music to me. He can imitate anyone and
>sound exactly like them. Jay can sound exactly like Denzel
>Washington, but he can't imitate his acting skill. Jay can
>imitate Eddie Murphy, but he can't be Eddie Murphy funny.
>Bruno can imitate MJ, Bobby Brown, James Brown, etc, but he
>can't be as soulful as them. Bruno goes as far as his talent
>can take him, and many of his songs are enjoyable... I mean,
>he's imitating the best. People talk about how he's got it
>honest because he grew up IMITATING Elvis. So lemme get this
>straight... he's true to Black soulfulness because he grew up
>imitating an imitator of Black soul? I swear people don't
>think their ideas through, lol. But here's the other thing
>that gives him away... he didn't come in the game doing this
>"Black soul" act he's doing now. He was a folksy pop guy at
>first. Then Uptown Funk hit and he stuck with it, because it
>hit. Consider this... James Brown came in the industry having
>to make the kinds of songs that were being recorded at the
>time. He eventually changed his sound, because his soul
>wouldn't let him keep doing something he didn't feel. When
>his own sound caught on, he changed music. Bruno changed his
>sound because of a song that was handed to him. He didn't
>revolutionize the game... he just kept getting his sound from
>elsewhere (as in imitating). He just sounds like exactly what
>he is... someone who doesn't have their own sound. Canned
>music, canned dance moves... paint-by-numbers. Other people
>innovated these things... he just imitates them. Yeah it's
>fun, enjoyable etc, b/c he's a good imitator who imitating fun
>and enjoyable artists... so when Meshell Ndegeocello says he's
>singing karaoke, that makes complete sense to me. He came up
>doing exactly that, right? If you wanna talk about just "who
>he is" it's an imitator at heart. He's trained for it since
>he was 6, correct? I don't see him having moved beyond that.

He pays his dues but I wonder if anyone he pays tribute to would feel they can learn something from his music that they can apply to there's?

What's the distinctive Bruno "sound" or "voice" that makes his peers think "Hmm, I need him to write or produce for me?" (Which I believe he does).

I think the perceived lack of contribution to the music world is part of what makes many feel he's an appropriator.

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