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"Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?"


  

          

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let's set some criteria for appropriation and exploitation
Jul 13th 2017
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RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?
Jul 13th 2017
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that nigga show more love to black culture than a lotta black folks lol
Jul 13th 2017
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^^^
Jul 13th 2017
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^
Jul 13th 2017
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right, he ain't never denied his black influences
Jul 13th 2017
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basically
Jul 14th 2017
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lol, exactly. 24K Magic > 21 Savage
Jul 17th 2017
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no, I believe he's talented and genuine but not for me
Jul 13th 2017
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yup!
Jul 13th 2017
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RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?
Jul 14th 2017
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Was wondering when this question would be asked...
Jul 14th 2017
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not just black culture. bruno is just a pure biter
Jul 14th 2017
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I'm just gonna leave this here
Jul 14th 2017
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No, and thank Gog for him. He's the only young-ish person doing
Jul 14th 2017
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I'd bet not
Jul 14th 2017
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I doubt it.
Jul 16th 2017
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http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg
Jul 14th 2017
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Join me for a thought experiment.
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: Join me for a thought experiment.
Jul 14th 2017
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10 years from now though.....
Jul 14th 2017
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I don't think that works because none of our parents listened to
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: Join me for a thought experiment.
Jul 14th 2017
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In 2017, I can't wholeheartedly say that it's solely ours anymore....
Jul 14th 2017
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I made a late pass post
Jul 17th 2017
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I feel ike folks miss a crucial point in all this "appropriation" talk
Jul 14th 2017
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That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting.
Jul 14th 2017
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      RE: That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting.
Jul 14th 2017
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      how much is the appropriation created by the media
Jul 15th 2017
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           I agree.
Jul 16th 2017
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whichever one claims to be a gangster rapper is the guilty party
Jul 17th 2017
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We exploit it on our own; we love being mad at the wrong people
Jul 14th 2017
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I really hate this. Seems like fake outrage.
Jul 14th 2017
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appropriating, definitely, exploiting, not sure
Jul 14th 2017
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he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude that.....
Jul 14th 2017
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RE: he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude th...
Jul 14th 2017
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I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane.
Jul 14th 2017
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      RE: I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane.
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      I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so he....
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           yep it was all laid out for him
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           RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so...
Jul 14th 2017
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                RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so...
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                     RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so...
Jul 14th 2017
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You telling me THIS dude is passing white America?
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      I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black music".....
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           RE: I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black musi...
Jul 14th 2017
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           the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish
Jul 14th 2017
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                exactly...
Jul 14th 2017
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                RE: the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish
Jul 15th 2017
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                     shit is stupid
Jul 16th 2017
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                          I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made
Jul 16th 2017
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                               RE: I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made
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                                    people will still evaluate whether those transitions have
Jul 17th 2017
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                                         RE: people will still evaluate whether those transitions have
Jul 17th 2017
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           so...is Morris Day a coon? because...thats kind of the reference
Jul 14th 2017
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                Morris Day was doing it 35 years ago, if a black man TODAY came out...
Jul 15th 2017
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                     that isnt what he asked you
Jul 16th 2017
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                     The question was an improper response to the statement
Jul 17th 2017
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                          Exactly. n/m
Jul 17th 2017
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                     He wouldn't be called a coon but it isn't "special"
Jul 16th 2017
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                          does that mean the whole Neo Soul thing was pointless?
Jul 17th 2017
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Can't nobody tell me he ain't got no Black in him...
Jul 14th 2017
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Yeah. There's some negro somewhere in his bloodline.
Jul 14th 2017
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This is ridiculous.
Jul 15th 2017
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So what you're REALLY saying is....
Jul 17th 2017
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I never got into him
Jul 15th 2017
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same here.
Jul 16th 2017
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naw because he ain't faking who he is and what he apreciates
Jul 16th 2017
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there are a lot of sad people in the world. how can you NOT enjoy 24k
Jul 17th 2017
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I like some of his songs and think he is an amazing performer
Jul 17th 2017
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Mars and Macklemore are the only dudes paying homage it seems
Jul 17th 2017
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thats fucking sad
Jul 18th 2017
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1. "let's set some criteria for appropriation and exploitation"
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Thu Jul-13-17 04:42 PM by Cocobrotha2

          

I think to avoid the appropriation label, you have to show a genuine appreciation for the culture AND the people that it came from by deliberately and proactively ACKNOWLEDGING them... GIVE as much as you TAKE from the culture... and be accepted by the culture.

With Bruno, I feel that he's been upfront about where he gets his musical inspiration from. I don't know how those guys feel about him though... and whether he's doing anything for them in the form of royalties, etc.

I don't feel like he's simply a shallow trend hopper like Vanilla Ice or a Miley Cyrus.

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2. "RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?"
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Thu Jul-13-17 05:09 PM by Selah

          

I would need to be clear on the following before positing an answer:

1st - definitions (feel free to correct as necessary):

appropriate - (verb) to take (something) for one's own use, typically without the owner's permission.

exploit - (verb) to make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)

2nd - questions
a. in order to NOT appropriate Black culture, whose permission should one obtain?
b. how exactly are we defining "Black culture"? (seriously)

my answers:
appropriate - no (again, whose permission does He need to get? if the Black folks in his band say cool, is that enough?)
exploit - no (mainly because I would have a hard time identify what specifically of his whole deal is purely ours)

off topic questions i would have related to the subject:
1. can a Black person appropriate/exploit Black culture?
2. is exploitation or appropriation inherently a bad thing? if not - where exactly is the line before it BECOMES bad?
3. do some folks get passes (e.g. Teena Marie), and if so why?

  

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3. "that nigga show more love to black culture than a lotta black folks lol"
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4. "^^^"
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5. "^"
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8. "right, he ain't never denied his black influences"
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and he gives credit where it's due



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15. "basically "
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72. "lol, exactly. 24K Magic > 21 Savage"
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6. "no, I believe he's talented and genuine but not for me"
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it's watered down and sparkling pop music, but I believe his heart is in the right place

  

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7. "yup!"
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9. "RE: Is Bruno Mars is appropriating and exploiting black culture?"
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No...

Island boys been doing this thing here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6fgVVlPl08

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10. "Was wondering when this question would be asked..."
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..I personally dig the homie's isht. He hasn't done anything to derail that with me, just yet.

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11. "not just black culture. bruno is just a pure biter"
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he make some fun songs sometimes. but we have to call a spade a spade here

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12. "I'm just gonna leave this here"
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13. "No, and thank Gog for him. He's the only young-ish person doing"
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anything on a major scale to possibly get black youth somewhat interested in traditional R&B and funk. I'd bet money a bunch of black kids have dug into the Time, Lakeside, G.A.P. Band, etc. because of what he's been doing the last 3 or 4 years.

  

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44. "I'd bet not"
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52. "I doubt it."
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14. "http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg"
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http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg
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16. "RE: http://www.xxlmag.com/files/2017/02/Lil-Yachty-1.jpg"
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lol...

argument could be made there certainly

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17. "Join me for a thought experiment. "
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Let's say three kids grew up in Madison Wisconsin and they are all huge fans of Hip-Hop. One Kid is black, one kid is white and the other is Filipino.

They all got exposed to hip-hop the same way: BET, radio, the internet.

They all pursue music careers as rapper.

Can it be argued that the white kid is more guilty of cultural appropriation than the black or Filipino kid? Is the Filipino less guilty than the white kid?








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18. "RE: Join me for a thought experiment. "
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The one thing you've missed in their music exposure is what music was played at home.

Parents of the black, white and Filipino kids won't be playing the same music, and that makes a big influence on what music may create in the future.

  

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20. "10 years from now though....."
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27. "I don't think that works because none of our parents listened to "
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hip-hop.

I think where you discover it, home versus the world, doesn't matter so much. As long as you genuinely come to it and appreciate it.

Vanilla Ice failed this test because Hip-hop wasn't his thing. It was something dreamed up at a record label.



>The one thing you've missed in their music exposure is what
>music was played at home.
>
>Parents of the black, white and Filipino kids won't be playing
>the same music, and that makes a big influence on what music
>may create in the future.
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28. "RE: Join me for a thought experiment. "
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Neither would parents of different black kids...

one grows up on gospel

one grows up on 80s hits and R&B

one grows up on jazz and classical

one grows up on reggae

they all decide to rap though.. so

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19. "In 2017, I can't wholeheartedly say that it's solely ours anymore...."
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66. "I made a late pass post"
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for Paul C. McKasty for the same reason.To find out now that early hip hop had multiple Rick Rubins makes me question the color monopoly in general as a rational-minded person.

The combination made my eyes bleed.

  

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23. "I feel ike folks miss a crucial point in all this "appropriation" talk"
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>Let's say three kids grew up in Madison Wisconsin and they
>are all huge fans of Hip-Hop. One Kid is black, one kid is
>white and the other is Filipino.
>
>They all got exposed to hip-hop the same way: BET, radio, the
>internet.
>
>They all pursue music careers as rapper.
>
>Can it be argued that the white kid is more guilty of cultural
>appropriation than the black or Filipino kid? Is the Filipino
>less guilty than the white kid?

In your example, I don't see anyone actually appropriating anything.

I see appropriation when someone tries to change a fundamental aspect of hip-hop (in this case) in order to alter who is credited for it, who consumes it or how it's viewed.

White kid or Filipino kid creating or enjoying hip-hop? He's not appropriating anything.

White kid adding a country angle to hip-hop and saying that hip-hop has always been music for everybody? Nah, at that point he's changing some fundamental tenets of hip-hop in order to bring outsiders under the tent.

  

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26. "That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting. "
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> White kid adding a country angle to hip-hop and saying that
>hip-hop has always been music for everybody? Nah, at that
>point he's changing some fundamental tenets of hip-hop in
>order to bring outsiders under the tent.


Interesting but I am having a problem with the notion that there are fundamental tenants of hip-hop. I think art is always changing and evolving. I think the best thing an artist can do is break the rules. I think the only rule is has to be dope, so if a white boy makes dope country rap and expands the definition of rap, I am with that. I think Eminem did that to a certain extent.


Here is what I think Cultural Appropriation is. Stealing peoples stuff and passing it off as your own. White Musicians going down to the Blues Delta listening to black bluesmen and then passing that music off as their own? That's Cultural Appropriation. Madonna learning Voguing from the gays and passing it off as her own? That's Cultural Appropriation. Miley Cyrus being credited for inventing twerking? That's Cultural Appropriation.

Now there is a thin line between an artist bringing a certain cultural practice to a larger audience while giving credit to the creators, I think that's okay. Maybe Madonna did that. I forget.





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46. "RE: That's interesting. Not sure I agree but that's interesting. "
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>
>
>Here is what I think Cultural Appropriation is. Stealing
>peoples stuff and passing it off as your own. White
>Musicians going down to the Blues Delta listening to black
>bluesmen and then passing that music off as their own? That's
>Cultural Appropriation. Madonna learning Voguing from the
>gays and passing it off as her own? That's Cultural
>Appropriation. Miley Cyrus being credited for inventing
>twerking? That's Cultural Appropriation.
>
>Now there is a thin line between an artist bringing a certain
>cultural practice to a larger audience while giving credit to
>the creators, I think that's okay. Maybe Madonna did that. I
>forget.
>

That's where I'm at with it. Bruno credits Black music as the foundation of American music, including Puerto Rican music. Cultural appropriation rarely or doesn't give credit to the source at all. They'd rather take the credit for themselves.


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48. "how much is the appropriation created by the media"
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vs the artist? mind you, I don't follow miley or bruno much, but have either of them ever claimed a style as their own that clearly came from other influences? anybody with any sense knows that miley aint created no damn twerking. lol. even madonna....did she ever tell folks that she created Vogue?

a lot of those white artists that went down in the Delta also gave credit to the artists they pulled from. the rolling stones have always talked about where they got their style from. as has bruce springsteen.

point is, I think the media and the unaware audiences push the narrative of who created what rather than the artists themselves.

nah, you trippin

  

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65. "whichever one claims to be a gangster rapper is the guilty party"
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there is nothing wrong with being from the midwest or the burbs and doing rap.


shut up already, damn

  

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21. "We exploit it on our own; we love being mad at the wrong people"
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22. "I really hate this. Seems like fake outrage. "
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but at the same time I'm having a hard time making a case for Bruno.

i dunno, it just SEEMS like he is authentically into black stuff and is invested

none of this would hold up in court though.

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24. "appropriating, definitely, exploiting, not sure"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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25. "he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude that....."
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sounded just like Bruno Mars sang those songs and performed the way Bruno does he wouldn't be taken seriously.

But because its a latino-asian guy with curly hair that acts like a black dude surrounded by his black band/backup dancers/hypemen people think its something special.

"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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29. "RE: he's talented but he's a novelty act, I feel like if a black dude th..."
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There is no all around better performer and songwriter than Bruno Mars currently (int he commercial space) ..

As talented as Phil (Bruno writing partner in smeezingtons) is he is on 10 with Bruno involved...

Anderson, C Breezy and Janelle are as dope performance wise and Janelle got some of the same looks as Bruno early one but end of the day

his songs are on smash..

So you can say it wouldn't happen but there is no one to even compare it too..

Chris Brown could be one of the biggest artists on the planet with his talent.. but A. he gets in his own way and B. His songs dont hit like that

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31. "I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane. "
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Which is a shame, but I can't think of a Male artist who is going after the BBQ music that the parents, grandparents and children can all listen to like Michael Jackson.

When a new Chris Brown track pops up on my spotify I got to run and cut if off before my kids hear:

Why your pussy so damn good, miss lady?
Go and put that booty up, baby, one on one
You know I'ma go crazy when your legs in the air
You know your panties never getting in the way
You know I kinda like it, when you make me work for it


>There is no all around better performer and songwriter than
>Bruno Mars currently (int he commercial space) ..
>
>As talented as Phil (Bruno writing partner in smeezingtons) is
>he is on 10 with Bruno involved...
>
>Anderson, C Breezy and Janelle are as dope performance wise
>and Janelle got some of the same looks as Bruno early one but
>end of the day
>
>his songs are on smash..
>
>So you can say it wouldn't happen but there is no one to even
>compare it too..
>
>Chris Brown could be one of the biggest artists on the planet
>with his talent.. but A. he gets in his own way and B. His
>songs dont hit like that


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32. "RE: I was going to say that no one is trying to be in Bruno's Lane. "
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Ha...

and its a shame cuz C Breezy really has the talent to be on some crazy big shit

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33. "I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so he...."
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had no choice but to the bad boy route. Before that his career was on an amazing trajectory, Forever was becoming the default white folk wedding song, he was starting to acting roles, then it all came crashing down. And he's still having an amazing career by normal standards but he could've been so much more.

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35. "yep it was all laid out for him"
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once those pics came out it was over. if it wasnt so severe i think he could've recovered.

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36. "RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so..."
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Nah...

Deuces, Loyal, Post To Be, Look At Me Now, were HUGE Post Rih

Think Like A Man was Post Rih

Chris stopped making big records and everything else outside of music fucks his scenario up

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40. "RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so..."
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>Nah...
>
>Deuces, Loyal, Post To Be, Look At Me Now, were HUGE Post
>Rih
>
>Think Like A Man was Post Rih
>
>Chris stopped making big records and everything else outside
>of music fucks his scenario up

No doubt he's had success post Rih but I think he could've been even bigger in the mainstream lane, after the Rih shit he seemed to veer back into the "R&B bad boy" mode. I feel like he could've done mainstream movies and tv also but after Rih white people weren't fucking with him like that.

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43. "RE: I feel like Breezy blew his mainstream shot with the Rihanna shit so..."
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I agree that white folks "felt a way" after that...

at the same time he couldve weathered that storm..

I mean Rihanna post fight... became BadGallRiRi to much success.. she kept making hits though..

He stopped and KEPT up with the bullshit with karruche and all that

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30. "You telling me THIS dude is passing white America?"
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http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/stylus/500186-bruno_mars_mugshot_617_409.jpg

Not going to say there's colorism happening on top of racism with white America but he's about as accepted as this dude was pre-rihanna.

http://crazy-frankenstein.com/free-wallpapers-files/male-celebrity/chris-brown-wallpapers/chris-brown-young-wallpapers-1600x1200.jpg

He would still get pulled over by the cops and arrested for some bullshit (which he was, lol). Not sure how a half puerto rican, half filipino is suddenly not allowed to do black music; we got hella spanish guitar songs from the '00's we owe royalties on then, LOL

  

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34. "I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black music"....."
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its more of the performance lane he tries to be in when you see him perform songs like Uptown Funk & 24K Magic with the hats and shades and gold chains surrounded by the "brothas" jumping and dancing he's like a caricature of a black man. If an actual black man was doing that it would be called "cooning".

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38. "RE: I'm not necessarily saying he shouldn't be allowed to do "black musi..."
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He has had the same band since day one... his ACTUAL brother is on the drums

Phillip Lawrence co-writes and co-produces with him in all those records..

think its reaching just to reach

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39. "the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish"
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from "the lazy song" and "you're amazing just the way to are"

to

"uptown funk"

"24 carat"

and "that's what I like"


is like night and day


so....


to make a leap like that seems kinda fake if there doesn't seem to be a good reason for it.

  

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41. "exactly..."
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>from "the lazy song" and "you're amazing just the way to
>are"
>
>to
>
>"uptown funk"
>
>"24 carat"
>
>and "that's what I like"
>
>
>is like night and day
>
>
>so....
>
>
>to make a leap like that seems kinda fake if there doesn't
>seem to be a good reason for it.
>
>

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50. "RE: the shift in his style is seeming caricaturish"
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Did you forget Treasure existed?

I think on unorthodox jukebox when Treasure blew the fuck up and was the prototype for Uptown Funk he just kinda ran with the lane... outside of say Chromeo and Mayer Hawthorne it wasnt being touched at mainstream

its more fun to practice and perform dance moves with your homies than sit at a piano and belt out ballads anyway...

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55. "shit is stupid"
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people are mad at him for bringing funk, soul, and disco into contemporary music?

thats a new one for me

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57. "I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made"
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before Bruno did "Treasure" called "give a little more"

I played that MP3 of "give a little more" by Maroon 5 quite often, so I seemed to be happy they brought that MJ-style into the 21st century.

but...

Maroon started their career in that vein (I know as Kara's Flowers they were more "rock" but as Maroon 5.....)

so they seem "genuine" with it

whereas...

Bruno started with "lazy song" and "you're amazing just the way you are"

so

that pipsqueaky "treasure" song didn't seem to warrant that recent caricaturish shift to me.


Some things come off as "working" (Maroon 5) and some don't (24 carat)

  

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60. "RE: I've spent money on Maroon 5 - a very MJ-ish song they made"
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Maroon 5 is also not "sunday morning" maroon 5 anymore either..

M5 is adam levine singing whatever song was written and produced for him featuring some guys that then pkay those songs on the road...

Everyone transitions

Bruno is here for hits.. for a great song.. no gossip... no bullshit... he gives you hits and then hes gone.

His authenticity is based solely on writing smashes... and performing the shitoutnof them.. thats it

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61. "people will still evaluate whether those transitions have "
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progressed in a manner that seems (seemed) "organic" or "natural" or "reasonable" or whether the transitions were "jarring" or "off-putting"

The Red Hot Chili Peppers obviously changed over the years due to band members dying or leaving but most would say their transitions seemed "reasonable"

The band Fishbone however put a lot of heavy rock songs on their "give a monkey a brain..." album and one friend of mine who recently got into Fishbone from an album that had some rock songs on it ("truth and soul") reacted to "Give a monkey a brain..." by saying "that's not Fishbone"



that's how transitions can work or not work.

  

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71. "RE: people will still evaluate whether those transitions have "
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For sure....

Imo the transition from unorthodox jukebox to 24kt is natural... he went from early to mid 80s hits to late 80s early 90s hits..

People forget uptown funk is not a bruno idea.. its a mark ronson/jeff bhasker one that bruno and phil executed incredibly...

Once that happened it solidified the idea that bruno could bring 80s r&b (that was never on pop radio) to the masses again..

and thats what he is doing

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42. "so...is Morris Day a coon? because...thats kind of the reference"
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or at least one very prevalent influence

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47. "Morris Day was doing it 35 years ago, if a black man TODAY came out..."
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acting like Morris Day yes he would be called a coon.

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56. "that isnt what he asked you"
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he didnt ask you what he would be called.

being something and being called something are not the same

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62. "The question was an improper response to the statement"
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ThaTruth didn't even say what Bruno is or isn't.
He said what he'd be called... so he stuck to
the conversation he initiated.
I mean since we're convo policing and all.

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67. "Exactly. n/m"
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58. "He wouldn't be called a coon but it isn't "special""
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It's not as cool when a black man does what Bruno does because black men are supposed to be funky

Same reason Adele gets the love she does. It's not special when black women are soulful.

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70. " does that mean the whole Neo Soul thing was pointless?"
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because a major selling point with Neo Soul was about a revival

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37. "Can't nobody tell me he ain't got no Black in him..."
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LQQK @ his pic>>>> http://brownsugar7341.bizhosting.com.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/BrunoMars.jpg

Puerto Rican, Asian w/Black sprinkled on top...Ooop, there it is !!!

BM ain't shakin' or fakin' his Black side...I love him !!!



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45. "Yeah. There's some negro somewhere in his bloodline."
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Since 1976

  

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49. "This is ridiculous."
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Shame on everyone chiming in positively on this thread. Your whole worldview will be dead in 5 years. At which time....you will claim to have never held it. For now...shame.

Any other argument I make against this premise is like fighting a ghost. A pale, light-skinned ghost.

There WILL be a race to centrist liberal values. Meet you there.

  

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69. "So what you're REALLY saying is...."
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Is that you don't really know what the hell you're talking about and need to shut the entire fuck up in these topics because you're just another alt-right buffoon with a severe detachment to anything outside the cherry-picking assed ideology to which you subsribe?

WHEW

That's a relief

I'm glad to see you finally arrived at that conclusion on your own and nobody had to actually tell you.

I'm glad we had this talk and look forward to you keeping your word on this.

  

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51. "I never got into him"
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too much biting, just not my type of vibe.

  

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53. "same here."
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I kinda liked his first album. now it just seems like he's play acting.

nah, you trippin

  

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59. "naw because he ain't faking who he is and what he apreciates"
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turkeys acting like Michael Jackson ain't threw a nod in his light is wrong.

Bruno is the real deal though the only knock i got is that he has to do more real songs and i would say one more uptempo album based and then just keep on writing better and better.

the cat can bring it live and he is the truth he just has to take more of a Bobby brown attitude and not be one of the fellas and that is what a true lead "It" act understands and gets.

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63. "there are a lot of sad people in the world. how can you NOT enjoy 24k"
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legsdiamond
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Mon Jul-17-17 07:45 AM

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64. "I like some of his songs and think he is an amazing performer"
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I haven't been to a show but I enjoy his performances as the SB and award shows.

all that being said, dude is kind of a biter. Seems like all his hits are blatant rip offs of old hits.

he does it well tho and he pays up

shut up already, damn

  

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Atillah Moor
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68. "Mars and Macklemore are the only dudes paying homage it seems"
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Madvillain 626
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73. "thats fucking sad"
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and i dug 24k magic a lot

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