http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/senate-health-care-bill/index.html

Idiocracy yo...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Good for them, they won't care though, because there will still be someone browner, poorer, or gayer than them suffering too.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/comparing-obamacare-ahca-senate-health-care-bill/index.html?sr=twCNN062217comparing-obamacare-ahca-senate-health-care-bill0942PMVODtopPhoto&linkId=39001164

Trumpcare has a mandate:

https://www.vox.com/2017/6/24/15867614/senate-health-waiting-period

I'd say 50-50 chance to pass

They threw a token few billion dollars in opiate addiction funding. That will be enough to get the Ohio and West Virginia senators to pretend like they won and get on board.

Cruz got his amendment in which allows the sale of plans without essential health benefits. That will get the "real" Conservatives who were posturing on board.

I think Rand Paul might stay opposed with his "principled conservative" stance.

And there may be a moderate or two who can stand for the deep medicaid cuts. But once the CBO says it will cut 17 million instead of 22 million off of medicaid, they can treat that like a win and jump on board the McConnell train

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Mitch McConnell's Obamacare repeal plan stalled

MJ LeeLauren Fox

By MJ Lee and Lauren Fox, CNN

Updated 11:27 AM ET, Tue July 18, 2017


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's plan to repeal Obamacare faltered Tuesday

Sen. Lisa Murkowski called for Republicans to develop a new bill in committees

Washington (CNN)Another day -- another excruciating setback for the Republican Party.

Three Republican senators said Tuesday that they would oppose a procedural vote to advance the Senate's efforts to overhaul Obamacare, once again plunging into chaos Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's latest efforts to make good on the GOP's seven-year campaign promise to gut the Affordable Care Act.

Sens. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia and Susan Collins of Maine announced that they could not support any plan that would roll back significant parts of Obamacare without a replacement plan in place.

McConnell told reporters at a news conference that it is "pretty clear there are not 50 Republicans at the moment for a replacement", saying he still wants to hold a repeal-only vote "in the very near future." McConnell did not specify when that vote would be but Senate GOP whip John Cornyn told reporters a vote is expected some time this week.

Those revelations came just hours after McConnell was forced to concede that his original attempt to repeal and replace the health care law at the same time was no longer a viable strategy.

Acknowledging defeat, McConnell had proposed a Plan B late Monday night: move ahead with a vote to take up an Obamacare repeal bill that the House passed earlier this year and aim to introduce as an amendment a 2015 bill that would effectively roll back key parts of Obamacare after a two-year waiting period.

That legislation was approved by a GOP-controlled Congress in 2015 and vetoed by then-President Barack Obama.

And the opposition that trickled out into the public Tuesday reinforced a painful reality for many Republicans to swallow -- that after years of railing against Obamacare, there is now not enough will within the party to pursue wholesale repeal of the law.

"My position on this issue is driven by its impact on West Virginians," Capito said in a statement. "With that in mind, I cannot vote to repeal Obamacare without a replacement plan that addresses my concerns and the needs of West Virginians."

She later tweeted she would not vote to move forward on a motion to proceed to repeal Obamacare without a replacement.

Murkowski called for Republicans to develop a new proposal in committees, a step that has thus far been skipped by GOP leadership in the chamber.

Trump: 'We'll let Obamacare fail'
Trump: 'We'll let Obamacare fail'

"I think what has to happen is the Republicans have to admit that some of the things in the ACA, we actually liked, and the Democrats have to admit that some of the things they voted for in the ACA are broken and need to be fixed," Murkowski told reporters.

White House deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Tuesday that the White House's message to Congress is "do their job."

"At this point, inaction is not a workable solution so they need to come to the table and figure out how to reform the system and fix it," she said.

The weight of the most recent development quickly cast a shadow over Republicans on Capitol Hill Tuesday afternoon.

Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican and a key vote, reflected that it might be time for Republicans to move on from repealing and replacing Obamacare "pretty quickly."

"I think we need to move on probably pretty quickly," Johnson said. "I mean, we've been at this. It did not, unfortunately, end in success."

Meanwhile, with some GOP lawmakers' key priorities like boosting funding for the opioid crisis now also stalled, Republicans who were planning to vote for the Senate health care bill are looking at their colleagues bewildered by the latest state of play.

"It was not the best possible bill, but it was the best bill possible," said Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas. "When you can't even get to a motion to proceed, you're in pretty bad shape."

Asked what it said about the Republican Party's ability to govern, Roberts candidly replied "not much."

Amid the news of McConnell's latest defeat, President Donald Trump told reporters during a luncheon with Afghanistan veterans at the White House that he was "very disappointed" by Senate Republican's inability to pass health care. He added that his new plan is to "let Obamacare fail and then the Democrats are going to come to us."

Even still, Trump said Tuesday that he doesn't think the Republican plan "is dead" but it "may not be as quick as we had hoped but it is going to happen."

He's talking about leaving the taxes in place and using $200 billion to buy folks off.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/342853-source-senate-leaders-to-offer-200b-to-win-over-moderates

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process where they combine what the House did and what the Senate did, those taxes would be taken out again.


This attempt could work, but it is obvious it is a fake-out.

They want another keg party in the Rose garden

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that the only way the hardline conservatives wouldn't simultaneously withdraw their conservative support for the bill is because this new McConnell attempt obviously will be "corrected" or "taken back" when they do that process when they combine what the House did and what the Senate did.

So, the moderates would have to know that McConnell (and the hardline conservatives) would only permit this because they think moderates will fall for anything.



Here's an article about the "reconciling" process which is ironically from the ACA era:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-lucey/steps-in-reconciling-hous_b_402618.html

THE BLOG 03/18/2010 05:12 am ET | Updated May 25, 2011

Steps in Reconciling House and Senate Bills
By Bill Lucey

So if everything goes according to plan, and the Senate approves the health care reform bill on Christmas Eve morning, what happens next?

Since both the House and Senate have passed different versions, this historic piece of legislation must be reconciled between leaders of both houses before it’s ready to be presented to the president.

The Constitution, after all, requires that the House and Senate approve the same bill or joint resolution in exactly the same form before it’s presented to the president for his signature.

The House version, which includes a public option and strict anti-abortion language is not included in the Senate bill; meaning, the effort to merge these two bills will involve twists and turns, peaks and valleys, and skillful parliamentary maneuvering before agreement is reached.

Historically, when both houses reach a standoff like this, the next battle involves going into a conference committee to iron out their differences with the resolution required to be approved by a majority of the Senate and House conferees.

The alternate course of action — which Congress has apparently elected to take — is an informal settling of differences. This will involve amendments being shuttled back and forth between each house, each chamber proposing an alternative until an agreement is reached. Settling their differences informally carries the added benefit of not having to prepare both a conference report and a joint explanatory statement once agreement has been reached.

So what happens if informal discussions shut down without an agreement being reached?

One potential consequence might be that the bill dies altogether.

Another alternative would be the creation of a conference committee, involving members from both houses, until a mutually agreed upon compromise is reached. It’s up to each house to determine for itself how many members will be represented in the conference committee. The conference report requires agreement by a majority of conferees from the House and a majority of conferees by the Senate — never both bodies combined — which is why both houses typically appoint an odd number of members in order to avoid a tie vote.

Other alternatives include: the House may approve an entirely new version of the bill and send it to the Senate; it might agree to the Senate’s amendments, which eliminates the need for a conference; or it might amend the Senate’s amendments and return the bill back to the Senate.

Just like he was running around secretly telling moderates that the deep medicaid cuts in the bill would never be fully implemented. Conservatives caught wind of that and blew up his spot

I have to wonder though, can they really be dumb enough to get tricked? Or are they just looking for the best excuse to go along with?

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"But moderates were not initially sold on Verma’s Medicaid proposal, in part because it raises the question of whether it would stretch the program too thin since the bill also includes hundreds of billions in cuts."


like:


"yeah, you're (McConnell) promising us 200 billion....yet there's also 'hundreds of billions in cuts'....uh....yeah"


but, if they really want an excuse...then maybe....

nope

https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-senate-proposal-repeal-obamacare-already-brink-defeat-162318631.html

The Senate GOP’s new Obamacare repeal plan is effectively dead
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WASHINGTON — A plan to cleanly repeal the Affordable Care Act appears to have failed in the Senate after three GOP lawmakers said they would not vote to proceed with the latest attempt to reform the health care system.

Shortly after Sens. Mike Lee, R-Utah, and Jerry Moran, R-Kan., said Monday night they would not even vote to allow the original repeal-and-replace proposal to come to the Senate floor, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., announced he would scrap that plan and move forward with repealing former President Barack Obama’s signature legislation.

“I regret that the effort to repeal and immediately replace the failures of Obamacare will not be successful. That doesn’t mean we should give up,” McConnell said on the Senate floor Tuesday. We will now try a different way to bring the American people relief from Obamacare — I think we owe them at least that much.”

And though that proposal has the support of President Donald Trump, McConnell appears to lack the votes to undo the ACA with no plan to replace it — even though Republicans have been campaigning on that promise for years. They voted for the same thing two years ago, when the certainty that President Obama would veto it made it a cost-free move to please Republican voters.

But now at least three lawmakers have said they would not vote to repeal it this time around, effectively killing the proposal because McConnell can only afford to lose two members and still advance any bill.

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W. Va., quickly became the first lawmaker to come out against a repeal-only plan. Despite voting to repeal the ACA in the past, Capito said she was concerned about the effect doing so would have on her home state.

Related slideshow: Protesters across the country oppose GOP’s health care plan >>>

“My position on this issue is driven by its impact on West Virginians,” Capito said in a statement. “With that in mind, I cannot vote to repeal Obamacare without a replacement plan that addresses my concerns and the needs of West Virginians.”

Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, quickly followed, reiterating her past opposition to undoing the ACA.

“I do not think it is constructive to repeal a law that is so interwoven within our healthcare system without a replacement in place,” Collins said in a statement. “We can’t just hope to pass a replacement in the next two years.”

And Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, delivered what seemed to be the fatal blow early in the afternoon, telling NBC News that she was “not there” on the repeal-only bill.

“I said in January we should not repeal without a replacement, and just an indefinite hold on this creates more chaos and confusion,” she said.

Another potential roadblock is the procedural maneuvering McConnell needs to do to arrive at a vote to repeal the 2010 law. In a statement Monday night, he said he would bring the House-approved replacement for the ACA to the floor with the intention of passing an “amendment” that substitutes a full repeal to take effect in two years — a move designed to buy lawmakers time to devise a new system.

That amendment is the same as 2015’s symbolic repeal bill. But to even introduce it, McConnell will first have to convince hesitant senators to begin debate on the House bill, which was considered “dead on arrival” in the Senate when it passed in May.

Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., voted for the 2015 bill and said he would do so again if the amendment came to a vote, but he did not know if he would even support bringing the House bill to the floor.

“I’m still trying to understand the implications of bringing up the House bill,” Flake told reporters.

Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio did not say whether he would support the motion to proceed, but expressed concern about the uncertainty a repeal-only bill would create.

“If it is a bill that simply repeals, I believe that will add to more uncertainty and the potential for Ohioans to pay higher premiums, higher deductibles. So we’ll see,” Portman said.

Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, earlier said he was unsure whether leadership had the support to bring the House bill to the floor, but implied that they would move forward with a vote in any case.

“We will find out,” Cornyn told reporters. “One of the purposes of having a vote soon is to find out where the votes are and where we go from there.”

The timetable for that vote is unclear, however. The GOP majority is reduced for at least this week, with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., recovering at home after surgery to remove a blood clot.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/24/539051768/the-senate-health-care-vote-simplified

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I wouldn't think he would waste his time for anything else.

They changed the narrative to "we need to at least vote to get on the floor to debate". Debate what? Nobody knows yet.

But I think that narrative might be enough to bring the former no voters in line.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

by surprising everyone with some no votes and some actual "straight talk."

He obviously won't, but if he's thinking about his legacy these days, it's something for him to consider.

That is: just repeal the mandates and do nothing else.

There's a smart idea.

The terrifying thing is: it vaguely sounds like the kind of thing they could finally pass.

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They can pass it because it doesn't really change much in the immediate term. The mandates are already underenforced (and they were under Obama too; it's not an easy thing to enforce, politically). That's exactly WHY the individual market is still struggling.

All this mandate repeal would do is promote that chickenshittery to a law, make it impossible for even a future administration to shore up the market.

And all the while they'll claim to be doing it BECAUSE the individual market is struggling.

McConnell "promised" him it will be a clean repeal bill

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Guess that's it. What are the next steps?

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This vote is on the motion to proceed. That is, just to bring a bill to the floor. An actual vote on a bill is at least a few days away.

There are senators who have agreed to proceed. That doesn't mean they've promised to support the eventual bill. Once the bill comes up, amendments begin, and everything can explode the same way it has so many times before.

I don't think he'd let it go through this hurdle without getting guarantees that this thing will pass and get out of his hands before the recess.

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If he was the legislative jedi people pretend he is, they would have put a bill through weeks ago.

The vote today would not have went through unless he know almost with certainty he'll get the win.

Going in to a vote on the actual vote without assurances it will pass seems a lot worse than just letting it die last week before bringing it to the floor.

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He clearly does not have assurances on a bill.

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And that's not what this vote is for.

I'm not saying it's impossible. In fact I already said above that I can see them passing something. But I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the process pretending this is over.

Like 4-5 people who seemed either to be hurt on the other side of the fence or strongly against this motion to proceed suddenly got on board.

McConnell is feeding them stuff to make them happy in the end.

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Paul has already said he was promised a "full repeal" bill, which if it were true would lose about six other Republicans.

Heller, Portman, and others were presumably promised a bill with minimal changes, preservation of Medicaid, and big new opioid programs, which would cause a revolt among Senate conservatives and be a tough bill for a conference committee to swallow.

Health Care is hard, and you're exactly right: nothing has changed in the past few days.

they're all just trying to act like they're doing something while they build up ammo on blaming mitch.

it's a fucking mess.

This is another vote that doesn't have to mean anything. In the immediate term, at least, which is all they can handle right now.

They can tell their anti-obamacare constituents that they were fighting the good fight.

They can tell their Trump supporting constituents that they were sticking it to the Democrats.

And they can tell their constituents who depend on Medicaid or the Obamacare rules that they were only voting to hold a debate, that they're just riding along to keep representing their interests in the negotiations.

For some of these senators, it's Schrödinger's bill, and they're just not thinking about the fact that the box eventually gets opened and they'll have to choose a side and deal with the consequences.

NV senator a yes. Ohio and WV too.

Only Susan Collins and Murkowski hanging tough

Nobody but McConnell knows what they are voting to debate on lol

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Word is Mitch promised him a blowjob in the Senate cloak room.

The two Republicans who already voted against proceeding are almost certainly not gonna vote yes on the end.

So they'll need to turn McCain, who just said he's currently a no, Paul, who's said he's a no on anything that isn't a straight repeal, and Heller, Johnson, Portman, etc., whose demands will be in direct opposition to Paul's demands.

So nothing has changed. The GOP is still mired in this politically toxic issue for the foreseeable future.

It is starting to sound a lot like "don't worry, he won't win the nomination" logic/promises...

And LOLCRY at the Dems giving an ovation to McCain as he proceeds to begin the process of f*cking the country more.

I'm surprised Booker didn't put him on his shoulders and sing Jolly Good Fellow

We

Are

F*cked

humans recognize humans

So Democrats recognize a human on a human level


that is the way it is supposed to be


McCain is also a veteran


McCain has also been in the Senate for a long time

>So Democrats recognize a human on a human level

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I really want to explain anything I post

yes

I think I'll side with them.

It would be nice if the Dems cared more about them than the optics...

other humans

while ignoring the reality that the Democrats voted against the measure.


So....


You need a political party who will make sure they always seem combative over what they are actually are doing of substance.


You'll be much happier when you find (or form) such a political party that will suit you.

it's not going to be as easy as just changing presidents when the senators themselves are the barriers.

so we're talking a year and a half, year at the shortest if it becomes an election issue for the holdouts.

(or maybe some of these senators giving up their seats before then and getting replaced by someone willing to work with mcconnell, but that's unlikely)

the republicans are just back to their old holding pattern and wishing (like they did for the supreme court nomination, and unfortunately that worked for them so they're probably comfortable doing it again)

Point being is we gotta stop underestimating these evil rich a$$ white dudes...


They are a step closer today.


And the "opposition" party gave a standing ovation to the deciding vote, then lined up for hugs.

that what we do

that's what we're supposed to do.

to f*cking human beings lives up.

Thats how THEY do.


The Dems held a symbolic vigil, and emailed me 6 times asking for money.

Thats how THEY do.


"Sorry you lost your protections for your healthcare, but just think about how polite Democrats are..."

FOH SMH

and you can trust Democrats to be decent enough to do that.


Sorry if you expected different.

But I could have told you Democrats are decent enough to recognize a human being.


So now you know where you belong - and where you don't belong.

Honest question.

Cuz you sound like you're high. Or a Jesus freak.


You really think Democrats are just decent people doing the right thing, recognizing humanity?

Nah.


They didn't want to get cooked on Fox news for not celebrating a veteran.

Simple as that.


Because Dems are far more concerned with, for whatever reason, how they look to the right and center than they do to their own base or even non-political people WHO SEE NO DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO PARTIES.


Put down the peace pipe, or bible, for a second and think politics.


There is a LARGE amount of people who see no difference between the two parties.

Right or wrong...its facts.

So they tune in yesterday to see McCain give a bullsh!t speech, and the "opposition" party line up to jerk him off.

I thought Booker was going to kiss his hand.


Get it?


Look, I vote Dem 100% of the time because they are the better of two options by far.


But, miss me with that "Dems are just good people" bullsh!t lol lol


Bottom line, if the Dems want a Blue wave in the way that should happen in 2018 they might want to stop being the polite party...the run to the center party....etc.



While they are busy respecting norms, the other party doesn't give a f*ck.

Guess who is winning and losing that fight?


I'm not saying they should throw tomatoes at him BUT...


Their reaction could have, and should have, been far more subdued.

The country got one step closer to f*cking a lot of HUMANS....

Democrat

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>They didn't want to get cooked on Fox news for not celebrating
>a veteran.
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>Simple as that.

a friend on FB was gushing over McCain's speech cause he said God...

after a few people pointed out how he voted she was like "oh damn, I got hoodwinked"

fuck McCain. He's 80, has brain cancer and just voted to continue a discussion about repealing HC for 10's of millions of poor people.

what type of human being does that shit and deserves to get praised in the media?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

He doesn't even have a selfish reason to be this sh!tty.


But yeah, lets all line up to applaud him.

>Democrat
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>celebrating
>>a veteran.
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>>Simple as that.
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It is completely okay to be a member of an organization, and still question their methods.

You don't have to be a sheep.

But, you do you.

i sure hope he gets tired of this before we get another 3-4 terms.

Moron.

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supposedly, the only thing left for Wednesday is to vote for "repeal only"

So....

Wise people will acknowledge what the Democrats did.

Unwise people will nit-pick because....they're not Democrats (in any way whatsoever)



http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/politics/senate-health-care-vote/index.html

Senate rejects proposal to repeal and replace Obamacare

By Lauren Fox, MJ Lee, Phil Mattingly and Ted Barrett, CNN

Updated 10:54 PM ET, Tue July 25, 2017


Washington (CNN)Senate Republicans voted Tuesday afternoon to advance to floor debate on their efforts to re-write health care policy, with Vice President Mike Pence breaking the tie.

But hours later, the Senate decisively rejected a Republican proposal to repeal-and-replace Obamacare, a sign of the chaos expected to envelop Capitol Hill as GOP leaders work to find a plan their conference can agree to.

Wednesday morning, floor debate on the legislation to overhaul the Affordable Care Act will continue, even though there aren't any guarantees the votes are there to eventually pass it -- and it's unclear what a final bill will look like.

But little may match the drama of Tuesday's vote on the motion to proceed, when Sen. John McCain returned from Arizona to applause from fellow senators to cast what would be a critical vote for the Republicans. Two GOP senators -- Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski -- sided with all Democrats in opposition, meaning all remaining Republicans and Pence were necessary for the motion to pass.

Emotions were high all afternoon -- as the vote began, protesters in the Senate gallery shouted "kill the bill" and "shame, shame, shame!"
The vote came as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and President Donald Trump dared their fellow Republicans to block their seven-year campaign promise to repeal and replace Obamacare.

Senators late Tuesday cast their first vote on what could be dozens of amendments considered to it.

This first vote dealt with a measure that combined a previous Senate proposal known as the Better Care Reconciliation Act -- that was rejected by several Republican senators -- with $100 billion in extra money for people on Medicaid desired by moderate Republicans and a proposal from conservative Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, to allow bare-bones health insurance plans.




Democrats moved successfully to kill the amendment, which was possible because it had not been officially scored by the Congressional Budget Office and therefore didn't meet the complicated reconciliation rules that the Senate is using to consider the bill.





Republicans needed 60 votes to keep the amendment alive. It died on a 43 to 57 vote.




The vote came after a Senate clerk was forced to read the text of the amendment aloud in the Senate chamber, all part of the delaying tactics Democrats employing to express their overall unhappiness with the bill.




On Wednesday, senators are expected to cast a vote on a "repeal-only" proposal. It too is expected to be defeated because many Republicans as well as all Democrats reject repealing without a replacement ready.
Drama before Tuesday's big vote

The vote was up in the air until the last moments, when several Republican holdouts announced their support, including Sens. Rand Paul, Dean Heller, Rob Portman and Shelley Moore Capito.

Trump, who has repeatedly said he's ready to sign any repeal legislation, celebrated the vote, which creates a path to give him the major congressional victory that's eluded the White House thus far.
"I'm very happy to announce that with zero of the Democrats' votes, the motion to proceed on health care has moved past and now we move forward toward truly great health care for the American people. We look forward to that. This was a big step," Trump said at a White House news conference.

Senate protesters chant 'kill the bill,' interrupt motion to proceed

Senate protesters chant 'kill the bill,' interrupt motion to proceed
"I want to thank Sen. John McCain," he added. "A very brave man. He made a tough trip to get here."

But while Trump was happy with the result, he also acknowledged there's a long road ahead for the legislation and criticized the two GOP senators who opposed the motion.

"We had two Republicans that went against us, which is very sad, I think," Trump said. "It's very, very sad -- for them. But I'm very, very happy with the result. I believe now we will, over the next week or two, come up with a plan that's going to be really, really wonderful for the American people."






Democrats are united against the bill, saying it would end health care coverage for millions of Americans.







"Anyone who thinks this is over is sadly mistaken," said Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-New York. "There are many, many Republicans who don't like this bill, who don't want to vote for it. They are under enormous pressure to vote for it. ... Anyone who voted to move to proceed and certainly anyone who votes to send this bill to conference is virtually, certainly, voting to kick millions off health care, to make it much harder to get coverage if you have a pre-existing condition, to slash Medicaid and give a huge amount of tax cuts to the rich."

Sen. Bernie Sanders Monday called the bill the "cruelest, most destructive and irresponsible piece of legislation ever brought to the United States Senate in the modern history of this country."

In a speech at the NAACP national convention, highlighted the possible effects of the bill's provisions, which include cutting Medicaid, defunding Planned Parenthood and roadblocks for those with pre-existing conditions

From how I hearing it described, it's pretty much a way just to pass something and get it to conference.

Dean Heller is on board with it. As is Rand Paul

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Ironically, we probably need the insurance companies' lobbyists to get on the senators over what a bad idea that is. Repealing the mandates really would kill the individual market, as a few of the insurers have already said. The mere flirtation with this idea has supposedly been the main driver lately on premium increases and carriers dropping out.

not whole bill yet....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/health-care-bill-wednesday/index.html

Health care debate: Senate rejects full Obamacare repeal without replacement


By MJ Lee and Phil Mattingly, CNN


Updated 5:24 PM ET, Wed July 26, 2017

'Repeal-only' health amendment fails in Senate


Washington (CNN)The Senate rejected a proposal from Republican lawmakers to repeal Obamacare on Wednesday, marking a significant milestone in the Republican Party's years-long political crusade to gut former President Barack Obama's legacy health care law.

The vote was 45-55, with seven Republicans opposing the measure.

The failed effort was a remarkable contrast from less than two years ago, when a Republican-controlled House and Senate passed an identical measure and sent it to Obama. He vetoed the bill. In 2015, the passage of that legislation was largely viewed as a political messaging exercise: GOP lawmakers were keenly aware that Obama would not sign it into law.

But now, with Republican President Donald Trump in the White House and ready to sign a bill, the stakes are real -- as are the realities of voting to repeal the current health care law without a replacement in place. The failure crystalized the new reality for Republicans: more than seven years after the enactment of Obamacare, there is growing recognition within the GOP that a straight repeal of the law is not viable.

Sens. Shelley Moore Capito, Susan Collins, Dean Heller, Lisa Murkowski, John McCain, Rob Portman and Lamar Alexander all voted against the amendment.

"I'm for repeal and replace and we're going to continue to work on replacement," Portman, R-Ohio, said after the vote.

"I didn't think repeal only was appropriate because it didn't provide for those people who are stuck in the status quo."

The proposal would have significantly gut the Affordable Care Act by repealing its unpopular individual and employer mandates, ending Medicaid expansion and rolling back a slew of the law's taxes. The repeal would not go into effect for two years -- a "transition period" during which Republicans would draft a replacement plan.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the proposal would result 32 million more uninsured over the next decade. Three-quarters of the nation would live in areas with no insurers participating in the individual market by 2026, CBO said, leaving many without an option if they do not have employer-provided or government health insurance, such as Medicare or Medicaid.

The vote came during the Senate's second day of a marathon debate to dismantle Obamacare, with Republican senators continuing painstaking deliberations to reach an ultimate agreement on health care reform.

Senators were initially scheduled to vote on the 2015 repeal measure around mid-day, but that plan was unexpectedly delayed until later in the afternoon. According to a Democratic aide, the holdup was over language in the amendment about Planned Parenthood, and whether it passed the so-called "Byrd Rule," which determines what language is permissible under the budget reconciliation process.

Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn described the snafu to reporters as a "kerfuffle" and said that there was a need to make "arguments to the parliamentarian."

What's next?



The goal for Majority Leader Mitch McConnell at the moment is to find a way to get 50 Republicans to back a final bill -- whatever it looks like.



As with the full repeal without immediate replacement vote, the GOP leadership is getting a sense of where their members are on various proposals, as well as testing out revised language with the parliamentarian on things like the Planned Parenthood defunding provision.

If McConnell can get 50 votes, he can bring the repeal and replace bill to conference with the House. That was why the emergence of the "skinny repeal" option Tuesday is noteworthy -- a scaled back version of repeal that would knock out the Obamacare mandates and some of the taxes. In no way would Republicans want something like to that to become law in isolation. But it may become an option just to get something across the finish line, for now. Then they would attempt to hammer out a more comprehensive repeal and replace proposal in the conference with the House.

lol and smh

Still got it at 50-50 chance to pass. They're going to run with the line that "we don't like this bill. this vote is only to move the process forward"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

They are trying to pass something that they hope does not become law. The republican senators are trying to get assurances that the House will not pass this skinny repeal in conference.

Absurdity.

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They will vote yes as long as the cowboys in the house provide "assurances" that they won't pass whatever the hell hits their doorstep.
Cmon...The house just wants to drink beers in the Rose garden. You know what it is.

This whole shit is madness.
House passed their bill saying: "we don't like this bill, but we'll send it to the senate and they'll fix it.

Now the Senate is saying: "we don't like this bill, but we'll send it back to the house and they'll fix it"
smh

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Paul Ryan made the most flimsy statement on what the house will do with the Senate's skinny repeal.
But apparently that was enough for the deputy maverick

The maverick in chief will be right with him too

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I mean, regardless of the vote, we should all just celebrate McCain's health...and all of the Republicans' humanity.


Right?


I mean, at the end of the day, we can all tell people who are affected by this sh!t...our family, our friends, our neighbors....just how f*cking polite Deomocrats have been in this entire process.


You can't put a price on that, right?


The Democrats have been so polite and proper, that you can almost cure any ailment you have just thinking about their sheer commitment to appearing like nice people to Fox News.

polite Democrats!!!! That's all we need, really....

Two hours between bill being available and voted on.
I don't want to hear the phrase "Obamacare jammed down our throat" ever again.

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i see you graham and mccain. this is some evil, hateful shit.

They're talking about McConnell and Coryn looking distressed on the floor. McCain talked to Schumer and Schumer smiled.

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with that vote days ago. or just by staying home.

AND THEN HE GAVE A SPEECH ABOUT WASHINGTON BULLSHIT.

Promising him the world I bet.

They're doing the same thing to Murkowski (Pence couldn't talk to her alone)

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The surrounding Murkowski like sharks.

Pence was working McCain hard for 15 minutes, left the room. McCain then had a mini celebration with the dems. Then Pence returns from the depths of hell to work him again

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NEWS: Two Ariz Republicans w direct knowledge tell me they now anticipate McCain WILL vote "no" on skinny.


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There is now a glimmer of hope that we stop this and hopefully start over in a bipartisan way to stabilize ins markets and bring down costs.

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Good for him.

Even though that's clearly not the case here.

But whatever. He made the right vote today.

And I can't wait to see what Trump tries to say about him now.