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Damali
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"Let's Talk About Communism"


          

is it still a dirty word? is it still something we are or should be afraid of as an idea?

i'm not talking about North Korea or Russia or Cuba...i mean the average joe in the neighborhood that believes in it...right here in the U.S.

If someone pointed out an older black man to you and they said, "did you know that he is a communist?", what does that mean to you? is he someone you would fear? If he was a youth coach or a community activist, would you be concerned about what he's "teaching the children?"

textbook definition aside, what do you feel/think about communism?

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I wouldn't fear such a person
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ok that makes sense
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Common Sense at his best IMO!
Apr 27th 2017
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wow...what is that from?
Apr 27th 2017
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2nd Album
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thanks!!
Apr 27th 2017
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOjsyRTAukA
Apr 27th 2017
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Whaaaaaaaat !
Apr 27th 2017
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      LOL i just wasn't heavily into Common at that time
Apr 27th 2017
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Top 5 Common joint right there
Apr 27th 2017
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Fuck. Beat me to it.
Apr 27th 2017
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RE: Common Sense at his best IMO!
Apr 28th 2017
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CLASSIC MATERIAL.
Apr 30th 2017
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it'd be a great idea if humans weren't human
Apr 27th 2017
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All that encouraged by their revolutionary freedom-fighting savior
Apr 27th 2017
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my 9th grade english teacher was one...he kinda broke it down
Apr 27th 2017
9
On the surface....
Apr 27th 2017
13
yes, this is what i'm trying to get at. Thanks! the whole concept of sha...
Apr 27th 2017
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      Idealism vs Realism IMO
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      true
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      sharing to support the collective was apparently
Apr 30th 2017
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Anything can work if it's genuinely meant to better people
Apr 27th 2017
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http://i.imgur.com/js24qRR.gif
Apr 27th 2017
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Lol pretty much
Apr 28th 2017
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Not if it suppresses the individual in favor of the collective.
Apr 30th 2017
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I somewhat identify as a communist
Apr 27th 2017
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I usually agree with you bruh
Apr 27th 2017
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      It's gonna have to be a mighty hefty dose, man.
Apr 27th 2017
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Join Democratic Socialists of America
Apr 27th 2017
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nah i'm not interested in joining any political orgs at all
Apr 28th 2017
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I'd rather my kids hang out with communists instead of libertarians.
Apr 27th 2017
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I definitely lean more socialist as well. i see that as a happy medium, ...
Apr 28th 2017
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That's because the USA ain't White enough like them.
Apr 29th 2017
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      yeah socialism works when everybody looks the same
Apr 30th 2017
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I appreciate the basis for Communism and Anarchism
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When Communism Inspired Americans -swipe
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1. "I wouldn't fear such a person"
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I'd think they were an idiot.

(The same way I would regard someone who described themselves as a pure capitalist--or a libertarian, as they tend to call themselves.)

A person who found aspects of socialist or capitalist policy useful, on the other hand, is a person I'd probably consider reasonable.

  

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4. "ok that makes sense"
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2. "Common Sense at his best IMO!"
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I'm on some calm shit watch Com get complicated
Simple motherfuckers say the way that Com communicated
Was too complex, I got a complex not to complain
On my brain no complain and so will my community
And I prefer compliments
So I complement at an angle, of ninety degrees
It's the nineties, and music got known for the grease
I got a sense of direction and a compass
Com passed MC's with no compassion, though I heard the screams of
But I ain't shy, so why shall I comfort?
Com should have been at the fort with Jeff I'm so ill
But I chilled in my compartment with no company and no meals
Now Com could get the penny, but I want my own company
And Com is on a mission not to work for commission
It's a common market and it's so much competition
But to me, competition is none
To my comp I'm a ton I get amped like Watts in a riot
My compact disc is a commodity, so buy it
Instead of competing with Pete
Com compromised, Com made a promise
Not to commercialize, but compound the soul
With other elements, compelling sense into Communism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpoHG7piChM

  

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3. "wow...what is that from?"
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5. "2nd Album"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpoHG7piChM

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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7. "thanks!!"
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6. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOjsyRTAukA"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOjsyRTAukA

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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12. "Whaaaaaaaat !"
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Oh man I can't imagine my life without this song haha.

You really young ? Not trying to be snarky just curious especially considering you've been an OKP member since 2002.

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16. "LOL i just wasn't heavily into Common at that time"
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and never really went back to listen to his first few albums

  

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10. "Top 5 Common joint right there"
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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

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11. "Fuck. Beat me to it."
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Used to listen to that song before every basketball game in HS. One of his best moments IMO and that's saying a lot.

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30. "RE: Common Sense at his best IMO!"
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That's my standard of 10.0 in bars there.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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33. "CLASSIC MATERIAL."
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One Hundred.

  

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8. "it'd be a great idea if humans weren't human"
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shit don't work, because equalizing means you got to take from the haves. the haves don't wanna give it up, so the have-nots end up letting the chopper ring. rinse, repeat, millions dead

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23. "All that encouraged by their revolutionary freedom-fighting savior"
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liberator "of the people" who'll eventually turn on them and brutalize them.

>shit don't work, because equalizing means you got to take
>from the haves. the haves don't wanna give it up, so the
>have-nots end up letting the chopper ring. rinse, repeat,
>millions dead

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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9. "my 9th grade english teacher was one...he kinda broke it down"
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Thu Apr-27-17 01:05 PM by ambient1

  

          

for us

I kinda look at him as my 'real life/tangible' example vs say a country

I agree with a lot of their ideologies and agree America utilizes it's prinicples (medicare....free public schools) but don't see it as realistic as a whole here....................unless zombies come and even then

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13. "On the surface...."
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Feels like Christian values are so much more compatible with communist idealogies than capitalist ones. Also...all the stuff we teach our children is more compatible with communism too. Imagine raising a child with capitalist type principles? They'd be little monsters.

  

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19. "yes, this is what i'm trying to get at. Thanks! the whole concept of sha..."
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We teach our kids to share...but then the world isn't really set up that way

  

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25. "Idealism vs Realism IMO"
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28. "true"
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35. "sharing to support the collective was apparently "
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at the core of most of humanity's existence. the book on sexuality "sex at work" really did a good job of reminding me of that.

  

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14. "Anything can work if it's genuinely meant to better people "
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and bettering people and thus society is something most humans are not wired for doing or understanding

  

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15. "http://i.imgur.com/js24qRR.gif"
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http://i.imgur.com/js24qRR.gif

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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29. "Lol pretty much "
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32. "Not if it suppresses the individual in favor of the collective. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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17. "I somewhat identify as a communist"
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It's crazy to me the incredible job this country did of turning it into a filthy word.
Like when these muhfuckas were coming at Obama "he's a communist"
Nigga, I wish he was!
It is, to me, an unquestionably better, more just system than capitalism. It is difficult to get right, but I think if people actually understood what capitalism is and their role in it... how they're affected by it and what the alternatives are, they'd dig it.

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20. "I usually agree with you bruh"
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but I can't ride with you on this one.

I'd say capitalism with a good dose of socialism is the best system we've come up with so far.

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21. "It's gonna have to be a mighty hefty dose, man."
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The whole foundation of capitalism is exploitation.
Yes, it's good for production, but it is so so bad for (not rich) people.
Adding socialist elements to capitalism is the only thing that makes it sustainable.

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18. "Join Democratic Socialists of America"
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I'm not ideologically pure and don't really have the interest or imagination to understand a life after our current political structure. But since I don't think there's a such thing as a positive (in the sense of having identifiable values) political moderation then I'm very happy with people who want to blow the ping pong ball toward the left.

So, I give these nerds money:

http://www.dsausa.org/

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26. "nah i'm not interested in joining any political orgs at all"
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22. "I'd rather my kids hang out with communists instead of libertarians."
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But I think communism is about as wrong as libertarianism is.

I'm somebody who is plenty socialist, but I ain't religious about it. I just see how people live in the Nordic countries and feel like they clearly got shit figured out better than we do in capitalist ass USA. So I sympathize with communists, but I don't think they got the answers.

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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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27. "I definitely lean more socialist as well. i see that as a happy medium, ..."
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communism just seems so extreme...

  

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31. "That's because the USA ain't White enough like them. "
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I just see how people live in the Nordic countries
>and feel like they clearly got shit figured out better than we
>do in capitalist ass USA. So I sympathize with communists, but
>I don't think they got the answers.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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34. "yeah socialism works when everybody looks the same"
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try it here and it devolves into "why does ______ get ______, they don't deserve it cuz (insert racist bullshit here)"

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24. "I appreciate the basis for Communism and Anarchism"
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and I enjoy reading about the early dudes like Marx and Trotsky, their general ideas have merits IMO


politically I also really really enjoy reading about the history of the soviet union, stalin was a damn pyschopath



  

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36. "When Communism Inspired Americans -swipe"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/29/opinion/sunday/when-communism-inspired-americans.html?_r=0


When Communism Inspired Americans

A packed hall in 1947 for a speech by Eugene Dennis, a longtime leader of the Communist Party in the United States. Credit Patrick A. Burns/The New York Times
At a rally in New York City in 1962, the famously liberal journalist Murray Kempton said to an audience full of old Reds: “I have known many Communists in my life. I have not known them as criminals. I knew them once as activists — and we had our quarrels. But while this country has not been kind to you, it has been fortunate in having you. You have been arrested, you have been followed, you have had your phones bugged, you have had your children fired. Throughout this, I can think of numbers of you I have known who have remained gallant and pleasant and unbroken.” He added, “I salute you and I hope for times to be better.”

My mother was in the audience that night and said, when she came home: “America was fortunate to have had the Communists here. They, more than most, prodded the country into becoming the democracy it always said it was.”

My parents were working-class socialists. I grew up in the late 1940s and early ’50s thinking of them and their friends as what they themselves called “progressives.” The sociology of the progressive world was complex. At its center were full-time organizers for the Communist Party, at the periphery left-wing sympathizers, and at various points in between everything from rank-and-file party card holders to respected fellow travelers.

In my childhood, these distinctions did not exist for me. The people who came to our Bronx apartment or were present at the fund-raising parties we attended, the rallies we went to, and the May Day parades we marched in were all simply progressives. At the kitchen table they drank tea, ate black bread and herring, and talked “issues.” I understood nothing of what they said, but I was always excited by the richness of their rhetoric, the intensity of their arguments, the urgency and longing behind that hot river of words that came pouring ceaselessly from them.

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They were voyagers on that river, these plumbers, pressers and sewing machine operators; and they took with them on their journey not only their own narrow, impoverished experience but also a set of abstractions with transformative powers. When these people sat down to talk, Politics sat down with them, Ideas sat down with them; above all, History sat down with them. They spoke and thought within a context that lifted them out of the nameless, faceless obscurity into which they had been born, and gave them the conviction that they had rights as well as obligations. They were not simply the disinherited of the earth, they were proletarians with a founding myth of their own (the Russian Revolution) and a civilizing worldview (Marxism).

While it is true that thousands of people joined the Communist Party in those years because they were members of the hardscrabble working class (garment district Jews, West Virginia miners, California fruit pickers), it was even truer that many more thousands in the educated middle class (teachers, scientists, writers) joined because for them, too, the party was possessed of a moral authority that lent shape and substance, through its passion for structure and the eloquence of its rhetoric, to an urgent sense of social injustice.

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Most Communists never set foot in party headquarters, laid eyes on a Central Committee member, or were privy to policy-making sessions. But every rank-and-filer knew that party unionists were crucial to the rise of industrial labor; party lawyers defended blacks in the South; party organizers lived, worked, and sometimes died with miners in Appalachia; farm workers in California; steel workers in Pittsburgh. What made it all real were the organizations the party built: the International Workers Order, the National Negro Congress, the Unemployment Councils. Whenever some new world catastrophe announced itself throughout the Depression and World War II, The Daily Worker sold out in minutes.

It is perhaps hard to understand now, but at that time, in this place, the Marxist vision of world solidarity as translated by the Communist Party induced in the most ordinary of men and women a sense of one’s own humanity that ran deep, made life feel large; large and clarified. It was to this clarity of inner being that so many became not only attached, but addicted. No reward of life, no love nor fame nor wealth, could compete with the experience. It was this all-in-allness of world and self that, all too often, made of the Communists true believers who could not face up to the police state corruption at the heart of their faith, even when a 3-year-old could see that it was eating itself alive.

I was 20 years old in April 1956 when Nikita Khrushchev addressed the 20th Congress of the Soviet Communist Party and revealed to the world the incalculable horror of Stalin’s rule. Night after night the people at my father’s kitchen table raged or wept or sat staring into space. I was beside myself with youthful rage. “Lies!” I screamed at them. “Lies and treachery and murder. And all in the name of socialism! In the name of socialism!” Confused and heartbroken, they pleaded with me to wait and see, this couldn’t be the whole truth, it simply couldn’t be. But it was.

The 20th Congress report brought with it political devastation for the organized left around the world. Within weeks of its publication, 30,000 people in this country quit the party, and within the year it was as it had been in its 1919 beginnings: a small sect on the American political map.

The effective life of the Communist Party in the United States was approximately 40 years in length. Hundreds of thousands of Americans were Communists at one time or another during those 40 years. Many of these people endured social isolation, financial and professional ruin, and even imprisonment. They were two generations of Americans whose lives were formed by political history as were no other American lives save those of the original Revolutionists. History is in them — and they are in history.

Vivian Gornick is the author, most recently, of the memoir “The Odd Woman and the City.”

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