Even though Trap has been pretty dominant in it's several forms since the decade started...I think this is the year that it is at it's absolute peak, especially by name. It's to the point that hundreds of parties are popping up with "Trap" in the title, even as silly as Trap Yoga and Trap Kitchen...and events promote by saying things like "Trap, Reggae, and Soul" instead of "Rap, Reggae, and Soul."

From what I see...it's also similar to how Disco was before I was born (in 84). I've heard that a lot of artists who did any type of Soul or R&B had to make Disco songs, or songs with a Disco feel in order to get played at parties and clubs. And even White acts who may have been more Rock or Yacht Rock, along with other subgenres, seemed to make Disco or Disco influenced music. It seemed like the majority of Black artists that came out in this period had to at least make a few Disco sounding tracks to appeal to the world.

I feel that Trap may be the first time since the Disco era that a sound was as dominant as Disco was. With NJS, most Rap still remained separate, although a lot of young and old R&B artists did cave into that sound. Also, NJS was a truly Black sound, with only a few Pop acts using that sound.

Literally every new artist I hear, Rap and even R&B, use the Trap sound. Every single Top artist this decade has used it in some way, and even Jay's biggest hits since "Empire" were all Trap sounding. (Tom Ford and Niggas in Paris). Kendrick uses it a whole lot, Drake does, J. Cole does, Future surely does. The EDM world stole the term for a few weeks, but that Trap-EDM/Dubstep sound is still around as well. For R&B, Beyonce's biggest songs recently all use the template, along with some of Rihanna's. In Pop, everyone from Ariana Grande to Bruno have used it in some form.

Now personally....being from L.A., and having to DJ here, it feels like folks claim to love it more than they actually do. Playing 15-20 min straight Trap ALWAYS ends up burning the crowd out, even the young heads who swear to love it more than L.A. music. But in the South, it's parties where the ONLY thing you hear is Trap the entire night.

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when i was born circa Saturday Night fever


Trap been goin strong for at least 10-12 now and not 'resisted' as much as disco was imo


but in general not a bad analogy

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i don't see Trap as being any different than any other trend.

plus...Trap hasn't crossed over to Pop in the way Disco did.

if we see Cher making a Trap record then we can say Trap is what Disco was. Ethel Merman made a Disco record. she was a way old act. way beyond her prime. she came out of retirement basically to make a Disco record.

Trap ain't that big.

fuck you.

adopt kind of a minimalist trap aesthetic though

do we see retired ppl learning how to Dab or whatever at dance studios out in the ex-urbs?

b/c that's where Disco was in the late 70s.

fuck you.

and I don't know when the last time you went to a basketball game was but every single white kid on the jumbotron between age 7 through 21 is dabbing

i said "OLD PPL"

fuck you.

wasn't the cool thing always dictated by youth?

the question is whether Trap today is like Disco was in the late 70s.

i said no b/c Trap hasn't filtered as deeply into mainstream white America as Disco did in the late 70s.

OLD PPL in the late 70s were hopping on the Disco trend. it had infiltrated THAT deeply.

Trap hasn't done that AFAIK.

HH generally has already done so, of course.

i'd say HH has DEFINITELY become what Disco was and has gone even deeper.

but Trap specifically? naw.

try to keep up.

fuck you.

with your original post that understates its mainstream presence a little much

I don't think we need to discuss its popularity among older folks because ultimately its irrelevant

old people weren't dancing to disco because they chose it

they were dancing to disco cause their gay dance instructor chose it

also to your original point

Madonna has definitely made several trap records. and she's fucking old.

I'm not going to listen to any of her recent catalog to support that claim, but I'm sure of it

does Barbara Streisand need to come back on a trap record?

>with your original post that understates its mainstream
>presence a little much
>
>I don't think we need to discuss its popularity among older
>folks because ultimately its irrelevant

*sigh*

my point remains - Disco got so played out that old ppl at like Arthur Murray Dance Studios were learning to Disco dance (http://arthurmurray.com/dances-we-teach-2/) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVkaPxTTaaI).

>old people weren't dancing to disco because they chose it
>
>they were dancing to disco cause their gay dance instructor
>chose it

hahaha.

fuck your stereotyping, player.

and yes, those old ppl WANTED TO LEARN DISCO b/c the shit was everywhere. they were trying to be hip.

Trap just hasn't gone that far.

HIP HOP has already gone that far, of course.

but Trap in particular? naw. Trap is no different than any other HH trend. HH in general has penetrated deep into mainstream America.

>also to your original point
>
>Madonna has definitely made several trap records. and she's
>fucking old.

you have no idea what you're talking about.

>I'm not going to listen to any of her recent catalog to
>support that claim, but I'm sure of it

like i said.....


LOL

>does Barbara Streisand need to come back on a trap record?

if she does then i'd agree that Trap has become what Disco was in the 70s.

fuck you.

as a subgenre, it's been extremely dominant, more G-Funk, Crunk (which is it's older brother), even above New Jack Swing in a way. Boom Bap may be a bit tougher to define, but I would argue that even during the Boom Bap era, it wasn't the ONLY sound you heard, especially in the club and on radio, nationwide.

Cher herself wouldn't make a Trap record, but almost ANY White star who's similar to what Cher was back then is making Trap influenced music, no question.

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It's no deeper than that.

Within HH Trap is a trend. It's like any other trend.
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Especially because my mom amongst others always swore that Rap would die within a few more years, just as Disco did.

At this point, there's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more subdivisions of Hip Hop/Rap than Disco was ever able to spin off. I mean, what subgenres or styles within Disco existed? I know some was more Funk based, some got very watery and Poppy, but...it was all basically the same tempo, same exact four on the floor drum patterns, almost identical instruments on each track, no synthesizers, etc....it's a completely different thing. If anything, Disco was a trend within Soul or R&B.

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the eventual huge backlash from mainstream white society

disco began as an underground phenomenon

record label i used to work at that put out a lot of early hip-hop, the ceo was like disco was capital B Black and also as you know big in the gay circuit

it was embraced by the mainstream but always carried those connotations for some

eventually there was an oddly virulent backlash among the more red-blooded white male populace that wasn't feeling the good times being had by all

like...

Ok

given the historically anti-gay/hyper masculinity thread that can be found in hip hop in places and eras

plus

the sometimes conservative nature of some areas of blackness


how did that work out with disco during its day?

Like, if you were black and into disco where you looked down upon by other black folks?

Or was it just "this is a jam"


I guess I might be over thinking this

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1. Black and gay are not at odds.

2. Disco started in Black gay clubs.

3. black ppl who were gay.

4. too.

5. the music played in those Black gay clubs was R&B.

6. Philly Soul records like 'Bad Luck' and 'Back Stabbers'.

7. those records were also played in Black clubs that weren't frequented by gay ppl.

8. so there was no 'crossover'.

9. eventually the gay Blacks kept on digging the records like 'Back Stabbers'. and the non-gay Blacks were into those but also into shit like James Brown and P-Funk and whatnot.

10. the non-gay Blacks got deeper into Funk.

11. the gay Blacks got deeper into that Philly Soul type stuff. which became SalSoul stuff. (not exclusively though b/c James Brown and P-Funk records also rocked Black gay clubs, but for simplicity let's pretend...)

12. so there was sort of a split. (but it wasn't THAT deep b/c Disco records dominated R&B radio and clubs.)

13. then non-Black gays filtered in to the Black gay clubs.

14. and they brought the attention of mainstream white folks.

15. and that's how the 'Disco' thing started. ('Disco' was short for 'discotheque' which referred to dance clubs - so 'Disco' music was whatever was played in dance clubs, which initially was R&B, Soul and Funk. eventually that sound got popular and became Pop and non R&B acts began to make their own versions of R&B, Funk and Soul records - of course their versions were watered down and simplified and that warped the idea of what 'Disco' really was all along. but at its heart Disco music is R&B and Funk.)

does this make sense?

fuck you.

and the backlash is going on now just not as vocal and blatant

aka NFL endzone celebrations

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There was probably a huge spike in "guess who's coming to dinner" type scenarios leading up to its demise

> But in the South, it's parties where the ONLY
>thing you hear is Trap the entire night.
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drug culture at their peaks.

seems like you have to be smacked to really really enjoy both.

EDM - Pills/Molly: Super fast, high energy

G-Funk/Mob - Weed: Very laid back

Crunk - Liquor: High energy, makes you wanna fight

80's Electro - Coke: Fast, uptempo, high energy

Hyphy - Thizz (X Pills): Pretty fast and high energy compared to everything else at that time period

And I don't know the technical terms, but a lot of that spacey Psychedelic Rock and Funk from the 60's and 70's that I would associate with LSD and all those experimental Hipster drugs

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Opiates I presume? My teens like some Trap but I mostly tune it out.

So I might be completely wrong here....but it kinda has roots in the chopped and screwed thing right? So I'm guessing percocets and codeine and vicodin?

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lol. When I used....there was nothing better than saving opiates for the end of the night. X and coke to start....then avoid the awful comedown by falling into an opiate pillow at around 1 or 2am.

O, Canada.

If I'm rolling and doing blow I'm not coming down until 7 or 8 am at the earliest.
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But I had that shit down to a science. After 6 or 7 hours of coke you ain't got any serotonin left in the bank. Not getting high anymore...just getting more and more sketched out. That's why I switch to dopamine. The opiates will keep you going for another 6 or 7 hours. A lot of people overlook that opiates are actually stimulating in reasonable doses. You only nod off if you take too much.

sounds like the end of yer night, fella.

i see your save attempt there.

i was introduced to how you Canadians get down way back when i visited Toronto for the first time and stepped out for my first night on the town at about 10:30. i was in a club by 11 and it was JUMPING. i thought 'damn, okay'. and dove right in. only for it to wind down tremendously just after midnight. and then that was it.

i was like...what?

and that's when i learned they party early up north. and shit shut down early. no late options.

maybe this has changed (that visit happened more than 20 yrs ago). but for that trip i learned - and i was out on the town by 9 for the rest of my time there and found all the shenanigans i wanted. i just had to get used to it all being over by 1am.

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tempos and soundscapes generally morph to fit the high du jour

the most striking is the birth of hardcore from acid house as meth replaced ecstasy in england ~1990ish

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I dont think there will be that many trap songs future generations will be able to enjoy

the internet makes everything easily accessible whether through Spotify, Apple Music, Youtube or sites where you can download old material

2050 niggas gonna look at their grandkids when Mask Off drop like "what you know about this youngin"

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If you're age 15-25...in 20 years, you'll feel like 25-50 of these songs are anthems. Just like anyone age 35-50 can find 25-50 anthems from 1990-2000.

Generations capture their own thing. Like most people at the time didn't think Disco would have 25-50 anthems 20+ years later.

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>If you're age 15-25...in 20 years, you'll feel like 25-50 of
>these songs are anthems. Just like anyone age 35-50 can find
>25-50 anthems from 1990-2000.

Future put maybe 100 songs in the past few years
Same for Young Thug. Double that for Gucci Mane
Drake put out 42 songs between More Life and Views

not a whole lot of it feels special or timeless anymore

>>If you're age 15-25...in 20 years, you'll feel like 25-50
>of
>>these songs are anthems. Just like anyone age 35-50 can
>find
>>25-50 anthems from 1990-2000.
>
>Future put maybe 100 songs in the past few years
>Same for Young Thug. Double that for Gucci Mane
>Drake put out 42 songs between More Life and Views
>
>not a whole lot of it feels special or timeless anymore

From our perspective, it seems that way. These kids absorbing this generation won't see it that way.

Views still had songs my kids sing (Hot line bling, controlla, one dance), young thug was on "no limit" which was Usher's Trap mid tempo hit from last year and Future got 'commas, jumpman with drake, turn on the lights, same damn time, etc.

Some of these guys have to be prolific given the short attention span of the music listening public (and the fact that they don't actively invest in the artists projects anymore makes it more of a catch all by-the-numbers approach).

Disco has a TON of songs we don't listen to or know of from the 70's. I was saying to your original point, there will be anthems this generation identifies with when they hit post 30/40. THEY don't view it as disposable. Just like those who loved disco don't view the hits as disposable.

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buck, No hands, Hood nigga, and Swag surf would be seen as so legendary at this point? Or even "Slob on my knob."

It does seem like the bar is lowered, but a lotta songs that the 30+ hated when they dropped have become classics.

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hip hop literally reinvented itself with trap. the tempo and drum pattern have already divorced from the content. trap isn't going anywhere

And it hasn't really died either if you recognize that it was part of the evolution of dance music. House, techno, edm, hell even Trap music itslef can be partly traced to disco.

as a fad

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Trap don't have no moments like that

I'd say trap music might be to hip hop music what new wave was to punk. But I'm no expert on this.

whenever you see footage of the 70's undoubtedly there's some Disco dancing/clubbing in it. It changed the world.

Disco changed the way music was made, played, and sold. Without Disco and discotheques, there probably wouldn't such a thing as megaclubs and big name DJ's. Period.



Wake me up when Trap creates a seismic shift like that.

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Considering how much has changed in the music industry and the various ways in which music is consumed (radio, video, on-line, streaming, mp3 player, phones, etc) there's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more access to things that might have taken much more effort to access in the 70's.

Given that there are soooo many outlets, Trap has dominated the sound of music for a good while which is remarkable to me. I mean, there's even hillbilly trap. C'mon...no body in bumblewoods, AK was hopping around trying to sound disco. Disco had a distinct Major City push to it. Trap is practically everywhere.

Considering the times, Trap won't have the singular impact of Disco given limited venues of consumption back then (music was more force fed to the masses) but as an overall influencer, I'd say trap has done a remarkable job given the landscape today.

I'd also venture to say, when people see footage from 2010-2020, there will be some trap in it with kids of all colors hitting the folx and the nae nae.

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it was a fad that spread like wildfire. and then after the fad died down it went underground and remains alive today.

i just don't see Trap as that popular today. HH definitely IS that popular and Trap is a trend w/in HH. it's like Gangsta Rap or any other HH trend. it'll probably pass once the next set of kids start doing their thing a bit louder.
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>i just don't see Trap as that popular today. HH definitely IS
>that popular and Trap is a trend w/in HH. it's like Gangsta
>Rap or any other HH trend. it'll probably pass once the next
>set of kids start doing their thing a bit louder.

see also: Snap, Hyphy, etc.


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i would agree Trap is among the longest running/most dominant trends in HH. but i disagree that Trap's popularity has matched that of Disco's in the late 70s. it just ain't there. as i keep saying, HH in general is definitely there and has gone beyond Disco's popularity in the late 70s but Trap itself is a mere trend w/in the larger genre.
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Every generation thinks the shit they like will last forever. It doesn't.


*sits on porch whittling*

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>Considering how much has changed in the music industry and
>the various ways in which music is consumed (radio, video,
>on-line, streaming, mp3 player, phones, etc) there's
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more access to things that might have taken
>much more effort to access in the 70's.


Yet Disco still made it's way around the world.


>
>Given that there are soooo many outlets, Trap has dominated
>the sound of music for a good while which is remarkable to me.

Does Billboard have a Trap Hot 100? They had a Separate chart for Disco.


> I mean, there's even hillbilly trap. C'mon...no body in
>bumblewoods, AK was hopping around trying to sound disco.

That's an extreme example, but you DO realize they were making Disco children's records and silly shit like that, right?


>Disco had a distinct Major City push to it. Trap is
>practically everywhere.

German Disco, American Disco, French Disco, Italo Disco. Do I need to go on?


>
>Considering the times, Trap won't have the singular impact of
>Disco given limited venues of consumption back then (music was
>more force fed to the masses) but as an overall influencer,
>I'd say trap has done a remarkable job given the landscape
>today.

Music has NEVER been more force fed to the masses than it is today. In the 70's there were independent radio stations ( as opposed to Clear channel and MTV, etc.) , not to mention that Disco was born in the clubs and THEN came to the radio. I'm willing to bet that this time next year somebody on these very boards will be declaring trap 'dead'.

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>I'd also venture to say, when people see footage from
>2010-2020, there will be some trap in it with kids of all
>colors hitting the folx and the nae nae.


I highly doubt it.

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>Yet Disco still made it's way around the world.

There was a trap song about Kristaps Prozingis, in another language...before he played one game for the Knicks. I'm saying tho...

>Does Billboard have a Trap Hot 100? They had a Separate chart
>for Disco.

But they don't anymore because it's been absorbed into 'dance/house' (which is appropriate by the way). They don't create genre's on 'trends' anymore, they morph them into a category until they show lasting ability. Trap was born of hiphop and EDM so they won't have a 'trap' charts per say. This is probably DUE to the death of 70's disco.

>That's an extreme example, but you DO realize they were making
>Disco children's records and silly shit like that, right?

lol...there's a Michael Trapson MJ-trap-rap-sing-tribute ablum. Your move. And you do realize they did trap remix of Sid the science kids theme song right?

>German Disco, American Disco, French Disco, Italo Disco. Do I
>need to go on?

touche' and trap has the same influence. Even dubstep and garage are adapting portions of it. It's less 'regional/national' versions of Trap but more hybrid sounds.

>Music has NEVER been more force fed to the masses than it is
>today. In the 70's there were independent radio stations ( as
>opposed to Clear channel and MTV, etc.) , not to mention that
>Disco was born in the clubs and THEN came to the radio. I'm
>willing to bet that this time next year somebody on these very
>boards will be declaring trap 'dead'.

This patently false. Radio is a dying format because people don't like being force fed the same songs over and over again. Why listen to the radio when steaming exists? Why hear the same 15-20 songs over and over again when you can go on youtube and vibe out? I carry around 15,000 songs in my hand. No body is force feeding me anything. You weren't carrying around 1000 records in the 70's if you weren't a DJ. And it's 2017, trap's been rampant for a good 7-9 years already. If it dies next year, it will have enjoyed just as long a run as disco. *shrug*

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>>I'd also venture to say, when people see footage from
>>2010-2020, there will be some trap in it with kids of all
>>colors hitting the folx and the nae nae.
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>I highly doubt it.

Fam...ELLEN hit the nae nae on her show. There have been numerous viral challenges around trap songs that all races have participated in. This IS their generation. What's funny is, people were saying exactly what you said about disco at the end of the 70's.

The 70's had afro's, bell-bottoms and disco.
The 2010's will have had, nappy-high tops, dreads, skinny jeans and trap.

These are seasons fam. Just because you aren't immersed in it, doesn't mean it isn't significant.

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I agree with you in principle, but once it started to get mass produced, they were cranking out a LOT of wack ass Disco records.

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i can remember that song being on basically ery jukebox i checked out as a kid...

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RIP GOATs

People made fun of it, but the second half of that song is pure heat. Actually, a LOT of that Joe Tex album is heat.

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To those who grew up prior to the disco generation, Disco was hot a** doo-doo.

To the rock/punk backlash that killed it, disco was trash.

And to the hiphop pioneers trying to make their own way, it was bubble gum waste.

Let's not romanticize for the sake of making a point.

Some of this trap stuff is outstanding...ESPECIALLY when someone puts some effort into spitting and still maintains modern flows.

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on any beat and it sounds amazing

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be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

Most born the year you graduated high school through Obama's first election feel like a lot of it is "lit".

Like I said...subjective. People thought most of rocknroll, disco, hiphop, R&B was garbage once upon a time too.

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boom bap is still a thing people are doing all these years later

it's still casting a shadow over the music to this day.

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And I get both sides. T.I. essentially "created" the term and definition, while Jeezy defined the production sound, vibe/energy and lifestyle behind it all. And Outkast was one of the first to mention "Trap" in the 90's...I was lost when they first said it.

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Jeezy definitely defined it


it is slightly screwed influenced nowadays too

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>it is slightly screwed influenced nowadays too

i mainly hear screw influence in rocky and sometimes in random songs when a line is repeated they'll add screw style effects to the voice

trap actually reminds me quite a bit of mid-90s electronic artists like aphex twin and squarepusher. b.o.b.'s "4 lit" has these violent and jarring lightning fast drum rolls placed at odd spots in the measure. "good drank" has those quick buzzy hi hat rolls. both these elements are juxtaposed against very melodic and light keys/synths. also the way producers occasionally pull the beat out from under the raps for a beat or two, then reincorporate it with those slow down and speed up effects. it's all very electronic. it's fucking fascinating and such a 180 from the staid drums and straight up looped samples of boom bap

what Trap is to Disco

and I GUARANTEE both have the similar lovers and haters as we see here


cuz I like how erybody think erybody was on Disco like that

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2017 "trap" drums dont sound like Jeezy

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most of the bigger southern acts after him were birthed through him or some sort of extension

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it's like calling "sagging" a fashion trend lol.

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in 5 years it'll sound dated based on new music technology being available in the future. That and once public schools are completely gutted the already horrid language skills of today's aspiring artists will be near impossible to understand, but by then words probably won't be a thing anymore.

Whats so interesting about traps impact is that musically it is inherent in the DNA of hip hop (which is why I think its here for a bit longer)

At its core trap's tools are just hip hops tools... 808 drums, synths and a chosen tempo. That tempo has slide around a bunch over the last decade though (140 bpm is still the center)

Jeezy and TI made trap flippin (replaying) samples

Dj Carnage makes trap with EDM synths

Metroboomin makes trap with 80s synth replica vsts

Think its here for a minute

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most old heads think all trap music is mumble rappers and they're at least 25% right

i think the word is more popular than the actual style...

some might say the same about disco since it was really just r&b and funk hybridized but it still manages to be easily recognizable

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