..if kdot keeps his original date, the collision course is avoided.

still, there's room for everybody.

i've been listening to "the seven" for the past month. these albums actually play well along side each other.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

I hoped for a full length but this was very good.

..that might be one of the hardest joints on the album, dude.

the tribal influence, the chant, the percussion?

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! © clay davis


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

________________________________________
"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

It says something that you can say passive aggressive shit like that but you can’t have a simple discussion about…

A song.

You know, a piece of subjective art.

You can’t do that but you can post this passive aggressive bullshit.

What’s hilarious is that you don’t get that you inarguably painted yourself as the person who is far less likely to be able to have a civil discussion if he disagrees with someone.

>..that might be one of the hardest joints on the album, dude.

Hard? You think this is *hard*?
Ante Up is hard. U Don’t Know is hard.
The beat to Rhianna’s “Hard” is harder than this.

Nothing about this joint is particularly “hard” from a musical standpoint.

Seriously, the hardest thing about that beat is the open hi-hat.

The whole thing sounds like the B side to “Get Em High”, another song I don’t particularly care for.

It’s a boring, unengaging bassline with a groove that’s basic to a fault, clunky claps that have zero punch or pop.

Meanwhile the chorus- which is also anything *but* hard, sounds like a cutting-room floor leftover from the worst cuts from the Rising Down sessions. In fact that chorus is pretty damn soft.

There’s very little aggression to be heard.

>the tribal influence, the chant, the percussion?

…none of which I enjoy. Outside the subject there’s nothing about this that hits on anything I enjoy in hip hop.

..in the realm of art, the term 'hard' has many different forms.

whether you acknowledge/recognize it or not, this song has a very strong tribal influence. the stomp chant of the percussion, paired with the simplified bass line hearkens back to the tribal music of our ancestors.

no, this isn't 'heavy meta'l-hard. no, its not 'trap-beat'-hard. its an entirely different beast, on its own. its a traditional posse cut that speaks directly to the current climate of the world (in various perspectives).

"..they love it
how the cut so premium
a vegan
but its 35% more meatier
jamla is the squad
javotti & war media
industry is greedy
you're makin' it more tedious
for me to just
get the shit directly to the fans
come to the show
i'll put it directly in your hands
what's happenin' rog?
yo, they love to say we mackin' ya
these half-ass rappers
be cheatin' like oscar madison
that's why we hackin' 'em
masks, its impossible to be anonymous
when ya presence in the market
is so dominant (fuck society)
mr. robot
voice of the apocalypse
the rapper with the golden esophagus
a tower like an obelisk
egyptian symbolic
just try to follow the
words that paint pictures
my heiroglyphics
are hard as script to read
emcees believe in passin' the buck
i give 'em lashes
with my african tongue

teleprompters
telling lies
broadcasting live
helicopters in the sky
tell the coppers not to lie
(they gon' lie, they gon' lie)
fell on top of us
we don't die.."

the song might not be your cup of tea, but this shit goes hard.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>..in the realm of art, the term 'hard' has many different
>forms.

Cool. I have mine and this doesn't for the bill for me

>whether you acknowledge/recognize it or not, this song has a
>very strong tribal influence.

I didn't deny that at all and either way it's immaterial to *my* dislike of the song.

the stomp chant of the
>percussion, paired with the simplified bass line hearkens back
>to the tribal music of our ancestors.

....ok. Is this supposed to make me suddenly enjoy it?

>no, this isn't 'heavy meta'l-hard. no, its not
>'trap-beat'-hard. its an entirely different beast, on its own.
>its a traditional posse cut that speaks directly to th
>current climate of the world (in various perspectives).

The content and subject matter doesn't change my perception of this song from an aesthetic standpoint.

>"..teleprompters
>telling lies
>broadcasting live
>helicopters in the sky
>tell the coppers not to lie
>(they gon' lie, they gon' lie)
>fell on top of us
>we don't die.."

Yeah, I mean, I didn't challenge the lyrics or the subject matter. Great lyrics don't change the aesthetic. I dislike the way it *sounds*, not what's being said.

>the song might not be your cup of tea, but this shit goes
>hard.

To you. Just not to me. I'm not sure what this song being "hard" to you has to do with my dislike of the song. Should I suddenly enjoy it because it fits your definition of hard and you like it?

• you said "..everything but 'teleprompters' was dope.

• i replied that i think its one of the strongest songs, and mentioned that its one of the hardest songs on the album (it goes hard, as in the feel/mood of the song, not aggression)

• you responded with comparisons, suggesting that those were examples of 'hard(er)' songs

• i then replied, emphasizing that i used the term 'hard' in reference to the overall theme of the song (posse cut, braggadocio, etc.). comparison has nothing to do with it (there's room for all of it).

in short, i'm not attempting to convince you or change your opinion (even though we disagree, i still appreciate your perspective). i just wish we could have a convo about entertainment that doesn't involved comparisons.

*edit: your point about disliking the chorus (and why) is a much better example of communicating your opinion of the song than the comparisons.

it ain't no more to it. © b.i.g.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>• i replied that i think its one of the strongest songs, and
>mentioned that its one of the hardest songs on the album (it
>goes hard, as in the feel/mood of the song, not aggression)

Cool beans. I didn’t agree at all and gave my position on the song in response.

>• you responded with comparisons, suggesting that those were
>examples of 'hard(er)' songs

Sorry but this is inaccurate.

I presented examples of what *I* view as” hard” in light of your description. Further, I presented a contrast, not a comparison.

>• i then replied, emphasizing that i used the term 'hard' in
>reference to the overall theme of the song (posse cut,
>braggadocio, etc.). comparison has nothing to do with it
>(there's room for all of it).

What you’re talking about wasn’t even a comparison, it was a contrast. Those types of songs may have had nothing to do with why *you* see this song as hard, but it literally had everything to do with why I *don’t* view the song as “hard”. There’s a pretty clear distinction there.

>in short, i'm not attempting to convince you or change your
>opinion (even though we disagree, i still appreciate your
>perspective). i just wish we could have a convo about
>entertainment that doesn't involved comparisons.

I gave examples of songs I view as hard. Not sure why that’s such a big problem.

Further, the comparisons I *actually* made were songs that actually have aesthetic similarities with this one:

Get Em High and some of the joints on Rising Down. If you play Teleprompters in a mix with Rising Down or Late Registration, it fits like a glove. The entire point of those comparisons was to illustrate that I dislike this particular style and sound in general.

Keeping in line with your header here, one of the funniest things I find in musical discussions is the disdain everyone seems to have for comparisons without regard to the context of those comparisons.

>*edit: your point about disliking the chorus (and why) is a
>much better example of communicating your opinion of the song
>than the comparisons.

Bruh….I communicated my opinion of the song exactly as I saw fit. For a guy who supposedly appreciates my perspective you do seem to want to control the way I choose to present my perspective.

Again, the context of my comparison was to give examples of songs with a similar aesthetic to illustrate that I generally dislike that aesthetic in and of itself.

The context of my contrast was to present songs that are “hard” to *me*.

..and ftr: my comparison was reference was intended as compare/contrast (my bad).

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

________________________________________
"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

Both will be in rotation for a while in here.
Along with Joey Badass' last album. I'm loving my hip hop in 2017.

time is money, money is time
so i keep 7 o'clock in the bank and gain interest in the hour of God
I'm saving to buy my freedom, God, grant me wings, I'm too fly not to fly _ Saul Williams