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Firecracker
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"New Louis CK out on Netflix today"
Tue Apr-04-17 10:35 AM by Firecracker

  

          


It was aight

My faves seem to be disappointing me a little as of late (I see you Dave)





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i'll definitely watch it
Apr 04th 2017
1
Was underwhelmed by his last couple specials
Apr 04th 2017
2
man, I think it's impossible for a comedian to keep rising
Apr 04th 2017
3
^^Only Carlin did it for over a decade on video - at 2/3 the pace
Apr 04th 2017
5
^One more point
Apr 04th 2017
6
RE: man, I think it's impossible for a comedian to keep rising
Apr 06th 2017
21
I enjoyed them, but not as much as the 3 before that
Apr 04th 2017
7
i liked the last few
Apr 04th 2017
4
I'm a big Louie fan
Apr 04th 2017
8
the '9 Eleven deniers' bit had me rollin'. CK hasn't lost a step.
Apr 04th 2017
9
Lmao me too
Apr 05th 2017
10
that voice...it was everything
Apr 06th 2017
30
mufuggin 8-teen
Apr 12th 2017
83
LMFAO! 😂😂😂
Apr 30th 2017
92
i laughed out loud
Apr 30th 2017
95
I dug it.
Apr 05th 2017
11
LEGENDARY.
Apr 05th 2017
12
lol. I did think about that
Apr 05th 2017
14
here we go
Apr 05th 2017
15
lolz
Apr 06th 2017
23
basically
Apr 06th 2017
26
oh they're definitely in correspondance
Apr 06th 2017
43
May i finger her? Finger her, you may. Finger her, I shall!
Apr 05th 2017
13
Dug the «Christianity won» bit, idk about the rest
Apr 06th 2017
16
^^^^
Apr 06th 2017
48
I saw him perform this last year. It felt a bit Alt-Right Friendly.
Apr 06th 2017
17
funny because they hate him from what I've read
Apr 06th 2017
19
Yeah it was different from his last stuff. In concert
Apr 06th 2017
24
haven't watch it yet..
Apr 06th 2017
22
Sigh....
Apr 09th 2017
55
Wait...what?
Apr 30th 2017
91
      It's a pet peeve of mine.
May 01st 2017
101
I don't think it's push back or that PC/anti-PC is much of a factor
Apr 10th 2017
70
if you want to ignore that he's specifically said
Apr 10th 2017
71
anyone else?
Apr 10th 2017
73
hmmmm
Apr 10th 2017
75
      his last SNL open he did a whole thing on child molesters perspectives
Apr 11th 2017
77
clairvoyant..nm
Jan 03rd 2019
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what year is it? 10. what year is it now? 9..wtf is gonna happen?!
Apr 06th 2017
18
solid 9/10. that magic mike part was pretty funny
Apr 06th 2017
20
i will watch. i will try to find him funny. i will probably fail, like a...
Apr 06th 2017
25
same here ...word for word
Apr 06th 2017
27
This is not going to convert folks who were not fans before.
Apr 06th 2017
28
i always try because i love comedy...
Apr 06th 2017
29
      Netflix has seriously lowered the bar for Comedy Specials.
Apr 06th 2017
33
      yep. they are specifically trying to make themselves the home of comedy.
Apr 06th 2017
34
      yup
Apr 06th 2017
35
      It's in line with the rest of their offerings. It's all about quantity
Apr 06th 2017
36
      i personally think it's the best thing to ever happen to comedy
Apr 06th 2017
37
           Agreed.
Apr 06th 2017
38
           not quite
Apr 06th 2017
39
           Best... naturally is subjective as all hell...i wouldn't call any of the...
Apr 06th 2017
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                The only one I was pleased to find was jerod Carmichael.
Apr 09th 2017
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                     try the ali wong special
Apr 10th 2017
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                     If you like jerod carmichael, then i have no suggestions lol
Apr 10th 2017
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                          I expect good things from him.
Apr 10th 2017
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                          this HBO special is the first thing i've ever seen from him
Apr 11th 2017
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                               I think he lurks on GD... lol
Apr 12th 2017
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           yep i love just being able to throw on a special at will and have so man...
Apr 06th 2017
44
      I'm about 15 minutes in and.....................Buddy G is right lol
Apr 06th 2017
42
           Wait for the Christians Won joke. If that doesn't do it for you tap out...
Apr 06th 2017
45
same here.
Apr 06th 2017
46
second only to dave. he da gawd of parenting yokes tho.
Apr 06th 2017
31
Moooom
Apr 06th 2017
32
a refresher on 'punching up' and the rules of comedy:
Apr 06th 2017
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RE: a refresher on 'punching up' and the rules of comedy:
Apr 07th 2017
51
      Stefan Molyneux ladies and gentlemen
Apr 07th 2017
52
           You just linked his twitter feed.
Apr 07th 2017
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           anyone who ever agrees with denny on anything should feel bad
Apr 10th 2017
60
                https://youtu.be/3ZhHm_xQScE?t=633
Apr 10th 2017
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                     jesus christ you're dumb.
Apr 10th 2017
63
                          It's funny.
Apr 10th 2017
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           breh really got triggered by some pasta tho lmao
Apr 09th 2017
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                I've watched that Molyneux link countless times.
Apr 09th 2017
57
starting to think he really is gay
Apr 06th 2017
47
"fuck it, maybe I will do the second half gay, I'm 40"
Apr 07th 2017
50
I mean I think he literally described how he felt about it.
Apr 10th 2017
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      Off topic....
Apr 10th 2017
76
           So he cleaned up the joke for the SNL in small ways that made
Apr 12th 2017
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                Fair enough.
May 01st 2017
100
He looked a little shook from the start
Apr 06th 2017
49
Noone's articulated the problem with the 'Christians won' bit.
Apr 09th 2017
59
      I have another post in this thread
Apr 10th 2017
61
I tried again. Louis CK just isn't for me I guess.
Apr 09th 2017
54
I'm not even going to try and watch it
Apr 10th 2017
64
I thought it was great. I'm a big fan, though. n/m
Apr 10th 2017
66
i liked it a lot. I'm a pretty big fan tho
Apr 10th 2017
69
Glad it released, saw this tour live and thought it was peak Louis so
Apr 12th 2017
79
started off very slow for me
Apr 12th 2017
81
Both Louie and this show are in the "generally enjoy" category
Apr 12th 2017
84
we're ><
Apr 12th 2017
85
Just wasnt funny
Apr 12th 2017
86
I rewatched this last night.
Apr 29th 2017
87
hell nah, breh
Apr 30th 2017
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      The amount of nut hugging in dennys post is amazing
May 01st 2017
97
           Just my opinion.
May 01st 2017
99
This was terrible
Apr 29th 2017
88
reading your post right after Denny's is pure comedy
Apr 30th 2017
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      LOL
Apr 30th 2017
90
hilarious
Apr 30th 2017
93
comparatively weak
May 01st 2017
96
I'm thinking Beacon Theatre was the weak one.
May 01st 2017
98
I was thinking about this special given the latest with this dude.
Jan 03rd 2019
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He's going to be a Fox news comedian soon
Jan 03rd 2019
103
For a certain type of white* performer, it's VERY easy to flip from
Jan 03rd 2019
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umm..niggas dont give a shit about kanye like that
Jan 03rd 2019
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Richard Spencer talked about this directly about two years ago.
Jan 03rd 2019
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      which is a lie and not relevant
Jan 03rd 2019
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      Or it means most of these guys didn't actually believe it to begin with
Jan 03rd 2019
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Small personal anecdote, apropos of nothing probably
Jan 03rd 2019
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I don't think his politics have shifted that much.
Jan 03rd 2019
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      ^ this. But ...
Jan 03rd 2019
114
I listened to all of the most recent leaked set
Jan 03rd 2019
108
I do think about a comedians ability to test out material
Jan 04th 2019
119
he had already gotten super whiny about "PC" culture
Jan 03rd 2019
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i think *all* old white guys end up bitching about pc culture
Jan 04th 2019
128
it's his reaction to outrage culture
Jan 04th 2019
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      outgrage culture is also not exclusive to the left
Jan 04th 2019
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           the outrage machine is a right wing invention.
Jan 04th 2019
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                flipped it like "fake news"
Jan 04th 2019
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                YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUP
Jan 04th 2019
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I thought all these replies were about the NEW shit
Jan 03rd 2019
113
Hot Take: He's gotten FUNNIER since all the allegations
Jan 04th 2019
117
Did you hear the new set?
Jan 04th 2019
118
there's a pretty good audio floating around on youtube
Jan 04th 2019
120
      I've laughed quite a few times at this so far. Even the "controversial"
Jan 04th 2019
122
           the larger joke it was part of..
Jan 04th 2019
127
Yeah, "Asians have small dicks" is some revolutionary shit
Jan 04th 2019
121
am I YOUR dick or are you MY dick??
Jan 04th 2019
123
it wasn't some revolutionary shit
Jan 04th 2019
124
Yeah, the school thing was the only part that stood out
Jan 04th 2019
125
*Shrug* I thought it was kinda hacky
Jan 04th 2019
129
its weird when people latch on to one specific joke
Jan 05th 2019
151
Yep he's fucking amazing
Jan 04th 2019
126
the clip of his new material didnt really offend me.
Jan 04th 2019
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Exactly
Jan 04th 2019
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      did he ever go out and do the full-throated media apology tour?
Jan 04th 2019
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           Nope
Jan 04th 2019
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           A loss of over $35M is a "time out"?
Jan 04th 2019
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                Imagine crying over a multi-millionaire creep you don't even know
Jan 04th 2019
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                     LOL honestly.
Jan 04th 2019
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                          That's fine you can have that stupid opinion but that's not the debate
Jan 04th 2019
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           I think the major fail is not finding a way to incorporate it into his a...
Jan 04th 2019
141
                EXACTLY
Jan 04th 2019
143
Huh. The new material is...regressive
Jan 04th 2019
137
I genuinely don't get the pronoun thing
Jan 04th 2019
139
      The pronoun thing is kinda annoying though
Jan 04th 2019
144
      You're not considered ignorant or bigoted for calling Michael Mike tho
Jan 04th 2019
146
           ^^^This
Jan 04th 2019
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           it's really not that difficult to call someone what they want to be call...
Jan 04th 2019
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                exactly....it's not a chore to call someone a different pronoun.
Jan 05th 2019
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                Well, Peterson thinks it's part of the neo-marxist post modernist plot
Jan 05th 2019
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                of course but refusing to do it, & havnig an opinion are separate things
Jan 05th 2019
152

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1. "i'll definitely watch it"
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kinda curious to see/hear his perspective on things right now.

  

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2. "Was underwhelmed by his last couple specials "
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My favorite standups have been disappointing me lately too

Burress, Schumer, CK .. wasn't feeling their last specials. Aparna Nancherla is probably. My favorite doing it right now. She came to SF back in March and KILLED

Still giving this one a shot tho

  

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3. "man, I think it's impossible for a comedian to keep rising"
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or even hit a level and stay on it for an extended period of time.

Kevin Hart last special was so boring to me.



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5. "^^Only Carlin did it for over a decade on video - at 2/3 the pace"
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Carlin from 1982-1992 has years of material that was funnier than the preceding material (or at least at the same level):

Carlin at Carnegie - 1982
On Campus -1984
Playin' with Your Head -1986
What Am I Doing in New Jersey? - 1988 (A serious shift in tone that works)
Doin' It Again - 1990
Jammin' in New York -1992 (I think his best of this tone)

Plus Carlin's ramp up from 1976 to 1982 and the ramp out from 1998 until 2004 had a lot of good moments.

Pryor has a classic run of about 10 years also - but most of it was not filmed and instead is on vinyl.

I think that if Louis moved his schedule from a special every year to a special every 20 months you'd get better material from him. IMHO.

Most other comedians need 24 months to 36 months to produce a special that is funny enough to be 'special."

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6. "^One more point"
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I think we agree we are talking about post Robert Klien comedians - ones where the material is observational and deals with the world through their own sensibilities.

Before Klien comedians had a team of writers crafting jokes for them - it wasn't what we consider modern comedy. Plenty of comedians in that mold stayed consistent for decades. Ron White does this now.

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21. "RE: man, I think it's impossible for a comedian to keep rising"
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they tend to run parallel to world events/social climate.

if aint nothin happenin', it's hard.


yeah Carlin had a run, but he was already a master at his craft and how many social changes did we run through as a society during his rise.

Kevin Hart been washed...he xferred over to 'entertainer'; at this point, stand-up is just 'one of the things he does' as opposed to his peers. being famous and just being purely funny aint equivalents

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7. "I enjoyed them, but not as much as the 3 before that"
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Shameless/Chewed Up/Hilarious, he really seemed to hit a stride then.

  

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4. "i liked the last few"
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dude just makes me laugh in general though so i'm gonna peep regardless

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8. "I'm a big Louie fan"
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The thing is it had me feelin the same way the Chappelle specials did

Like he didn't really HAVE to put this out.... It wasn't like oh shit, can't wait for the world to see this shit. More like, plowing through straight 3.5/6

But it had a couple of laughs for sure, some of it felt a lil meh and some of it felt like rehashes of voices and gags we've heard from him many times before

  

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9. "the '9 Eleven deniers' bit had me rollin'. CK hasn't lost a step."
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10. "Lmao me too "
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People are crazy I loved it all. It started off on a different type of beat than he usually has but I liked it.

  

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30. "that voice...it was everything"
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83. "mufuggin 8-teen"
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92. "LMFAO! 😂😂😂"
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95. "i laughed out loud"
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11. "I dug it."
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12. "LEGENDARY."
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And I thought his last special was a sign that he had run out of ideas. He's very clearly mining new territory here. I've never seen him more 'physical' than this. I'm guessing he knew he had to take a chance and try new things. An absolutely triumph here. It might take a few months for people to absorb this...but this will go down as one of his best ever. The Chappelle ones were good to great. This one is for the ages.

I wonder if they're in correspondence. They're both baiting the virtue-signallers and the PC crowd. Wouldn't surprise me if Rock follows suit.

  

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14. "lol. I did think about that"
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might just be that they are big enough to do it.
especially with the netflix cheque already cashed...lol

>I wonder if they're in correspondence. They're both baiting
>the virtue-signallers and the PC crowd.

  

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15. "here we go"
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BAITING THE VIRTUE SIGNALLERS

they're just old and you're just dumb

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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23. "lolz"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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26. "basically"
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43. "oh they're definitely in correspondance"
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gotta keep tabs on the competition and whatnot.

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13. "May i finger her? Finger her, you may. Finger her, I shall!"
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The words alone had me crying, the acting it out though...holy shit

  

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16. "Dug the «Christianity won» bit, idk about the rest"
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It felt a lil chimed in tbh, not super inspired. I thought live at the comedy store was dope too

  

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48. "^^^^"
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came to say the same, when he asked the audience what year it was I had to concede.

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17. "I saw him perform this last year. It felt a bit Alt-Right Friendly. "
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It was not too soon after the election and it was an almost all white crowd at MSG so viewing the show through that lens the "Christians Won" and a couple of other bits about whiteness and Mexican jokes felt funny to hear with an all white crowd guffawing too.

Not saying CK Louis is a White Supremacist or White Supremacist Sympathizer but I do believe that a White Supremacist or White Supremacist Sympathizer would appreciate the jokes a little too much, probably for the wrong reason. Like a Christian White Supremacist wouldn't necessarily detect the irony of the Christians Won joke.


I think the Dave Chappelle and this Special go hand in hand because you can see in both a lot of push back against progressive or center left political correctness.



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19. "funny because they hate him from what I've read"
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becuase hes been "down on white men" for sometime now

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24. "Yeah it was different from his last stuff. In concert"
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he did this bit about how he went off on this hotel staff because they didn't do his dry cleaning and it's about being white and have certain expectations and yelling at Mexican staff saying "You can't treat a white person like this" and I could see how people would miss the irony.

He didn't leave that in this special.


>becuase hes been "down on white men" for sometime now


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22. "haven't watch it yet.. "
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he isn't really my type of humor but I think CK and Dave are old school comedians and will joke anyone r anything that takes itself too serious.

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55. "Sigh...."
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We have to stop using 'alt-right' as a euphemism for 'racist', 'conservative' or 'right wing'. The large majority of people who are racist, conservative and/or right-wing are NOT alt-right. I'm well-informed about the alt-right....there are two defining aspects that have been established by them in their own words.

1. They want a white (they use 'European') ethno-state in America.

2. They want to achieve this by a method of peaceful ethnic cleansing.

Anything that falls short of that shouldn't be described as being 'alt-right'. The vast majority of republicans are not 'alt-right'. The vast majority of racist/prejudiced people are not 'alt-right'. The vast majority of conservative people are not 'alt-right'.

I've tried to hammer this home on numerous occasions here and I'm certain that it's annoying for some. My personal opinion on that is there's a motivation in accusing people of being 'alt-right' to discredit their views through a guilt-by-association fallacy. The reason I'm insistent on this is because the alt-right scares the shit out of me. And my concern is that they will become more and more powerful if they are not properly defined and understood.

And btw...Louis CK is a very common target in Alt-right circles. They talk more about him more than any other comedian. Not just because he's half-mexican...but because of his views. They use him as the epitome of 'white apology' or 'white cuck'.

  

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91. "Wait...what?"
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> The large majority
>of people who are racist, conservative and/or right-wing are
>NOT alt-right.
>
>1. They want a white (they use 'European') ethno-state in
>America.
>
>2. They want to achieve this by a method of peaceful ethnic
>cleansing

  

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101. "It's a pet peeve of mine."
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Liberals (and other leftists) are using the term 'alt-right' as a synonym for 'conservative' and/or 'right-wing'. I think they should be distinguished specifically and not associated with mainstream conservativism.

I was pleased to watch Kamau Bell's CNN special last night in which he attended an alt-right event and interviewed Richard Spencer. Bell specified what I've been trying to emphasize here for awhile....that the alt-right believe in a 'white ethno-state' and believe in a process of 'peaceful ethnic cleansing' to achieve this. I dislike Jeb Bush too...but I certainly acknowledge a difference between people like him, John Mccain, Marco Rubio, John Kasich etc and the alt-right agenda. And I think the difference is crucially important.

Buddy can clarify...but I'd assume he was suggesting that parts of Louis' act bordered on being discriminatory and/or prejudice and/or racist. I highly doubt that Buddy was suggesting Louis' act bordered on advocating for a white ethno-state by means of peaceful ethnic cleansing. I think it's dangerous for us to blur these lines because it allows the alt-right to find sympathizers (something that's happening right now) when we don't fully define their agenda which is stated in their own words. The more clearly we can define them in public discourse...the less sympathizers they will find.

They are currently getting tons of clicks and sympathizers because of their presence at the Berkley campus. Most of the people clicking on their websites and sympathizing would NOT do so if their advocation of a white ethno-state was up-front. We have too many young white males clicking on this stuff and saying 'I hate social justice warriors too'. 'I hate feminism and Black lives matter too'. 'I support freedom of speech too'. I DON'T think those young white males are saying 'I support a white ethno-state via peaceful ethnic cleansing too'. So we need to bring THAT defining characteristic of the alt-right to the forefront. We can't blur those lines.

Young white males need to hear that they can be against SJWs...they can be against radical feminists and extreme factions of blm...they can support freedom of speech. They can do all that WITHOUT being alt-right. Those aren't either/or idealogical positions....as much as RJCC tries to make them be. We're watering down how EXTREME the alt-right is. And they're sneaking into the minds of impressionable young people on those issues instead of their ultimate agenda.

  

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70. "I don't think it's push back or that PC/anti-PC is much of a factor"
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in what he says or chooses puts out there. his specials have been fairly consistent content-wise. there's always some "i'm not saying../..i'm just saying"/thinking out loud factor to them that people like to dismantle.

I think the anti-PC people, and the think piece crowd are too busy trying to figure out what 'side' he's on when he's not really thinking about that.

  

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71. "if you want to ignore that he's specifically said"
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that's what he's doing, that's your thing to do. he did at least a half dozen podcast appearances for horace and pete and mentioned it just about every time

but blaming vaporous unnamed thinkpieces is kinda weird.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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73. "anyone else?"
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75. "hmmmm"
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I think it's more conscious than how you describe. I agree that progressives are looking through it and waiting for a 'signal' or proof of what side he's on. The way you described it is the same I see it. They don't feel comfortable laughing until they get a sort of token nod. I think he's purposely NOT sending that signal or token nod. There's something about his special and snl episode that almost feels like a dare.

I couldn't help but imagine a conference call between Rock, chappelle and Louis. I'd bet Rock's next special is gonna continue the same pattern and probably up the ante.

  

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77. "his last SNL open he did a whole thing on child molesters perspectives"
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and opened with how he has "mild racism"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzh7RtIJKZk
it's not that much different, other than his last one was alot funnier, but I could see people making the same arguments, that it was driven by pushback against the pc police or whatever.. instead anger was directed at him making light of child molestation

  

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112. "clairvoyant..nm"
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>It was not too soon after the election and it was an almost
>all white crowd at MSG so viewing the show through that lens
>the "Christians Won" and a couple of other bits about
>whiteness and Mexican jokes felt funny to hear with an all
>white crowd guffawing too.
>
>Not saying CK Louis is a White Supremacist or White
>Supremacist Sympathizer but I do believe that a White
>Supremacist or White Supremacist Sympathizer would appreciate
>the jokes a little too much, probably for the wrong reason.
>Like a Christian White Supremacist wouldn't necessarily detect
>the irony of the Christians Won joke.
>
>
>I think the Dave Chappelle and this Special go hand in hand
>because you can see in both a lot of push back against
>progressive or center left political correctness.
>
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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18. "what year is it? 10. what year is it now? 9..wtf is gonna happen?!"
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already one of my favorite bits of his

"what year is it? 3. wait.. but i'm 28?" i'm cracking up now as i type this

  

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20. "solid 9/10. that magic mike part was pretty funny "
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like, dude really explored his own brain for that bit.

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25. "i will watch. i will try to find him funny. i will probably fail, like a..."
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27. "same here ...word for word"
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28. "This is not going to convert folks who were not fans before. "
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His opening abortion jokes were classic CK Louis. It is what he does best. But if you don't like that then you probably not a fan and won't like the rest of it.


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29. "i always try because i love comedy..."
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and i could have been in a mood the other couple times i tried w/ him.

we'll see.

i mean, you win some lose some. Bill Burr is in my top 3 doing it right now, but i thought his most recent Netflix joint was boring.

that is to say even though i haven't found CK funny in the past, he might hit me with this one.

  

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33. "Netflix has seriously lowered the bar for Comedy Specials."
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Not only are they giving them to anyone (do you know who Dwayne Perkins is?)

They are releasing a lot of them (one every week this year).

The days of the Chris Rock every 5 years HBO comedy special is over.

I guess it's good news if you want to see more specials. They just not, special any more.



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34. "yep. they are specifically trying to make themselves the home of comedy."
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well, stand-up comedy anyway.

it's one of their stated goals.

the real truth behind it is that it's easy money for them. those specials (whether special or not) get a lot of traction on the service and they don't have to throw much money at most of them for what they get back.

  

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35. "yup"
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36. "It's in line with the rest of their offerings. It's all about quantity "
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and I'm not mad at them.

I won't watch most of them but I love having the option for $10 a month

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37. "i personally think it's the best thing to ever happen to comedy"
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and not lowering the bar

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38. "Agreed."
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Apparently they gave Chris Rock 40 million for two hour long sets. Awesome sauce. Can't wait for those. I'm guessing Dave got the 60 mill for 6 sets. So it seems the precedent is 10 mill per hour, wow. I'm only a moderate stand-up fan....but is it common opinion to say Dave, Louis and Chris are the best? I haven't found anyone that can match up with them three. Anyone have suggestions?

  

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39. "not quite"
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they work these bits and jokes long before the 1-hour special

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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40. "Best... naturally is subjective as all hell...i wouldn't call any of the..."
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the 'best'... right now

ever or prior era is a different argument


but Netflix put me down with a bunch of damn good up and comers I would have NEVER checked for or heard of

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58. "The only one I was pleased to find was jerod Carmichael."
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He's got an original style. Nowhere near the Rock, CK, Chappelle level...but I dig him. Everyone else I've checked out didn't do it for me. Perhaps my standards are too high. Recommendations?

Pryor is the best ever. I love my Cosby records too. You can tell that CK took alot of influence from Cosby in that there's less emphasis on punchlines. Also...I don't get the hate about Sarah Silverman. She's WAY funnier than Amy Schumer. To me...Schumer is just another Margaret Cho. Safe to the point of boring.

  

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65. "try the ali wong special"
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68. "If you like jerod carmichael, then i have no suggestions lol"
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74. "I expect good things from him."
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I appreciate his focus on creating his own style. I almost see it like a sacrifice. He has to forego alot of the easy laughs for the sake of trying to establish something deeper. I don't know....I think he has the potential for becoming one of the greats. Just because he's taking the chance to be different and stylistic.

  

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78. "this HBO special is the first thing i've ever seen from him"
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i thought it was pretty great

  

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80. "I think he lurks on GD... lol"
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On this upcoming season there is an episode about not saying "n word" because we are all adults and should use the whole word.

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44. "yep i love just being able to throw on a special at will and have so man..."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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42. "I'm about 15 minutes in and.....................Buddy G is right lol "
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I tried

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45. "Wait for the Christians Won joke. If that doesn't do it for you tap out..."
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46. "same here."
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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31. "second only to dave. he da gawd of parenting yokes tho."
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that achilles bit. lmao.

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32. "Moooom"
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41. "a refresher on 'punching up' and the rules of comedy:"
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http://thoughtcatalog.com/liz-labacz/2014/07/punching-up-and-the-rules-of-comedy/

During the now-quarterly giant internet war about comedy and offensive jokes, a lot of frustrated, privileged hands are thrown up in disgust wondering like, what are we allowed to joke about? It is an important question because, as we all know, if you break a comedy rule, you will be arrested, or barred from all comedy clubs, or expelled into space through an airlock.

Haha, no just kidding, that doesn’t happen at all. When people toss around the idea of “rules” for comedy (or art in general) they are not laws or even actual rules. The bad things that happen to people who break them are like, critical backlash and, at worst, lost gigs. Sometimes, when enough of your audience doesn’t like your art, you lose your gig. That is how gigs work. Welcome to the world.

And what are the rules? No rape jokes? Rape jokes, but only if they are making fun of rape culture? Jokes that push boundaries, but only if they are punching up?

Punching up, for anyone who has been blissfully ignoring these debates, means that, in joking about taboo topics, you’re hitting the perpetrators, not the victims. It’s currently a popular “rule” for how to tackle edgy topics.

An acquaintance recently observed (and I’m paraphrasing) that for everyone who advocated “punching up,” he could probably find a comedian, or a joke, that punches down that we like.

You know what? He’s probably right. For every rule (“rule”) in art, there’s an artist that breaks it to incredible success. But for every one that does it right, there are probably 9,999 who do it wrong and take the heat in response. Writers learn the rules of grammar and some of them choose to throw them away. Without rule breakers, there would be no e e cummings. Artists are more than welcome to push the boundaries and break the rules. Maybe they’re the next e e cummings. Probably, they are not. But everyone is welcome to take a shot at it, knowing that it’s a risk. High risk. High reward. The flip side is true, too, though. If you try big, you fail big.

Everyone reading this has probably had to explain the First Amendment to someone who was sure that Daniel Tosh (or ) was being oppressed. I cannot overstate how much I am in favor of Freedom of Speech. It is your right to say things that offend me. Seriously. Anything you want. I support your right to say it and not be arrested or fined by the government. I am rehashing old territory when I note, though, that it is my right to think you’re a dick, and to say so, and that is not infringing on the First Amendment.

But more than just confusing the idea of Freedom of Speech (an unalienable right that protects you from the government, not your Twitter followers) I think people are conflating the right to say whatever they want (you can!) with the right to be listened to and paid for your words (this is not a right that actually exists) (Sometimes I wish it were! Listen to meeeeeeee).

Put plainly, artists have the right to say whatever we want. Artists do not have a right to a platform, an audience, or a paycheck. Those things are earned. If I had enough fingers, I would get that tattooed on my knuckles.

Inevitably, every time one of these debates comes up, someone (or everyone) suggests that if the offended parties can’t take the joke, they should just stay out of comedy clubs. Unfollow that twitter feed. If you don’t like it, stay away. And sure, that’s an option. But why is the answer never “if you can’t take criticism, get out of the arts?” I mean, that’s just true in general.

Am I the only one who finds it simultaneously hilarious and infuriating that the frothing, nearly hysterical reaction to being told their joke has offended someone is for comics to call their detractors overly sensitive and thin-skinned? Why is it that when a prominent feminist receives a rape threat or a female celebrity’s body is critiqued in great detail, the response is so often “that is the price you pay for being in public,” but the response to having a joke called offensive is to strike up the Bro version of “Do You Hear the People Sing?”

Stephen Fry has a screed against the word “offended.” His response is “so what?” So what that you’re offended? And you know what? He’s right. It is just a word. It has no intrinsic meaning or value. It is 100% subjective. But here’s the thing, so are things like “good” and “funny.” So when we are talking about art, and specifically art that demands audience and compensation, those subjective modifiers begin to matter. As an artist, it is my right to say “so what? So. The Fuck. What?” when someone calls my art offensive. History is littered with artists who have done just that. High risk, high reward. But to think you can take big risks without there being uh, risk, is ludicrous, silly, and childish. The surgeons that go down in history break the rules, because they had the skill to do so and they deemed the risk important enough to take. But if they fail, there are consequences. The same is true of comedy, and the consequences are so very, very much less dire.

I guess the thesis of my argument, for the people who are up in arms about the legions of offended pushing back against their art is: ohmygodshutup. Shut up, you big babies. Not like, legally. Let me clarify one more time, I am not saying you should shut up for fear of legal retribution. I’m saying you should stop whining and just say whatever it is you want to say, so long as you are willing to accept the consequences.

And I swear to god, if someone tries to tell me that society is more critical or restrictive now than ever before, I will build a time machine and drop you back to live with the Comics Code or the Motion Picture Production Code The thing is, that criticism usually served to protect the people already in power.The difference is that there are more people finding a voice, who suddenly expect artists to care about their feelings. So hard, I know! But the whole of human history involves people being sensitive to the feelings of the privileged. This is just extending the same courtesy. Let’s all put away the guitars and stop strumming the ballad of persecution. TC mark

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51. "RE: a refresher on 'punching up' and the rules of comedy:"
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Those who wish to criticize the campus protests at speaker events make a better argument by staying away from referencing 'freedom of speech' and the first amendment. That's really not the issue in those cases and I've mistakenly made that argument recently. I've since been persuaded. The best illustration I've seen of this was pretty hilarious. Stefan Molyneux, noted asshole, posted this hilarious video after Milo was shut down at Berkeley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZhHm_xQScE

You could get away with only watching from the 9 minute mark on....but the whole thing is highly entertaining in it's melodrama and self-aggrandizing. So this guy seems to be suggesting that the Milo at Berkeley incident is possibly a sign that western civilization has come to the end. Seriously. And that 'maybe....the time.....for arguments......is over' I don't think there's a better example of what you referred to as the 'frothing at the mouth' free speech defenders than this. And I don't think much more needs to be said than this (although there are endless other possible critiques):

He is literally CRYING in a video because a public speaker has been allegedly 'stripped of his first amendment rights' on the SAME EVENING that this same public speaker was interviewed on NATIONAL TELEVISION (foxnews) in front of tens of millions of viewers (probably more after youtube uploads). Obviously, that hardly constitutes a 'silenced' opinion. And just for the fun of it...I'll go ahead and suggest that this non-silencing of Milos opinion is NOT the end of public discourse as we know it lol.

The argument in support of diverse viewpoints and open dialogue at universities/colleges is much stronger when it takes the form recently articulated by Paul D George and Cornel West. It was in response to the Charles Murray/Alice Strange protests:

http://jmp.princeton.edu/statement

RJCC might note that there's a 'who's who' of the alt-right that have signed this statement in solidarity below.

In anycase...this is a much stronger argument than any of those rooted in 'free speech' imo.

I've also found myself re-thinking the 'punching up/down' argument. I'm not on solid ground with this like I used to be so a couple thoughts. Firstly, there must be SOMETHING to it. I think we all do it instinctively. I mean, even 6 year old kids are typically going to be less likely to tease another kid in a wheelchair. It's a pretty basic human instinct on that level.

On the other hand....it presupposes a consensus on the structure of oppression dynamics. With real individuals....whether or not one is punching up or down is often murky waters. For example...was Dave Chappelle punching up or down with his joke about the trans woman at the party? And can't we imagine it being either scenario based on additional information about the trans woman? Was she born rich? Is she white? Is she handicapped? In this way the criteria becomes a sort of score-keeping of group inclusion and exclusion. But even then....do we even have a clear consensus for the relative value of each individual group status for Dave and the woman? And this is why in-fighting amongst critical theorists is inevitable. Trans-exlusive feminists believe that birth gender is the cause of more oppression than identity gender. Trans activists disagree. Race theorists tend to give more weight to race identity. And then there's ableist theorists...etc etc etc.

And the whole thing is essentially driven by emotion. If a joke hurts my feelings....I then seek to identify a power dynamic that characterizes the joke as punching down. On the other hand...I make a joke 'sticking it to the man' and experience emotional satisfaction from doing it because I've identified a power dynamic that characterizes the joke as punching up and therefor justified. If someone is hurt when they are on the receiving end of a punching up joke...they are 'fragile'. If someone is hurt on the receiving end of a punching down joke...they are victimized. It follows that people clamor for group inclusion (as well as excluding others from group status) so that they inherit and/or protect the moral authority afforded. Rachel Dolezal, Germaine Greer, the recent Adachie, John Mayer thinking he has a 'ghetto pass'....these are random manifestations of those motivations. These instances will only become more commonplace and more chaotic as critical theory grows.

Lastly, not everyone sees power dynamics (oppressor and oppressed) as the driving force in human interactions. OF COURSE critical theorists would believe in a policy of evaluating jokes in a punching up/punching down context. Common critiques of critical theory address it's tendency to over-simplify human interaction into binary categories. De-emphasizing individual traits and focusing on group membership. Real life scenarios are more complicated than that. Is it really impossible for us to imagine a gay, handicapped women being a bully towards a straight white male? In the real world...it's not. This is the basis for 'black people can't be racist'....large women insulting skinny women in pop songs in the disguise of self-empowerment or 'real women have curves'.

I guess where I'm standing now.... punching up/punching down is a useful criteria...but if it's used as the sole basis of evaluation...we are going to have a hard time reconciling real life situations without at least giving some value for individual traits independent of group status.

  

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52. "Stefan Molyneux ladies and gentlemen"
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https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/848593107159576578


I'm really interested in his thoughts, thank you for citing them denny I was super wondering how he felt about anything.

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53. "You just linked his twitter feed."
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Here's a little exercise for you. Copy your response to me....hit reply....paste the initial post you made as a response to yourself. NOW is the inherent contradiction in your post clear for you to see?

  

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60. "anyone who ever agrees with denny on anything should feel bad"
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62. "https://youtu.be/3ZhHm_xQScE?t=633"
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https://youtu.be/3ZhHm_xQScE?t=633

  

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63. "jesus christ you're dumb."
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72. "It's funny."
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Lighten up and have a laugh. We have a chance to actually agree on something.

  

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56. "breh really got triggered by some pasta tho lmao"
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57. "I've watched that Molyneux link countless times."
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Is it funny to you? It's got to be in the running for most pathetic and hilarious anti-PC videos of all time. I can picture him doing several takes. And reading the comments of his supporters is hilarious too. Somebody has to satirize this shit.

In anycase...I hope Sowhat isn't banned for an extended period of time. He probably hates me but I respect that he has a baseline of intellectual honesty and it was him that persuaded me against the first amendment approach to SJW critique. Shortly after we debated it...I saw the Molyneux link and that drove it home for me lol.

  

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47. "starting to think he really is gay"
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or bi curious


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50. ""fuck it, maybe I will do the second half gay, I'm 40""
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paraphrasing here

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67. "I mean I think he literally described how he felt about it. "
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76. "Off topic...."
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I wanted a chance to ask you about the hotel laundry bit. So correct me if I'm wrong...but this was a bit you saw live that Louis repeated during the SNL monologue and you had expressed a discomfort in this being performed to a largely white audience and that it could be misconstrued as being racist by a racist audience. If there's anything I got wrong with that than my apologies.

But if that was accurate...I wonder how you'd feel about the suggestion that this bit was actually rooted in a progressive framework. I interpreted it as an acknowledgement of a specific type of white privilege. So one of the main aspects of the bit is 'White privilege is wrong and should be abolished...but it's SUPPOSED to be exist right? Then WHY wasn't my laundry done on time?"

This is a specific observation of a manifestation of racism wherein the morality of those white people who actually oppose racism still gets over-run by their opportunism and self-interest. The masterpiece 'Get Out' addresses this with the character who is blind and bids to win the protaganists' body. His first line of dialogue is 'Disgusting isn't it?' He's not racist and he thinks discrimination is the product of an 'uncivilized' mind. But he STILL wants those eyes! So he's not racist and seeks to separate himself from the morality of race discrimination ....yet at the end of the day....he will still willingly receive the benefits and advantages afforded to him BECAUSE of racism.

That's what that bit was about to me.

  

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82. "So he cleaned up the joke for the SNL in small ways that made"
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a huge difference.


1. In his live performance he made clear that the woman who answered the phone was black/latina. Might have even done her voice (I maybe misremebering that part. Not over the top accent). It was kinda implied in the SNL skit but not explicit. Which made a bit of a difference.

2. In the SNL skit he dismounted the joke to make it squarely about him being an Ass because he was wrong the whole time. I don't remember it ending that way in the live performance.

At any rate it came off a little bit different in the live performance in a way that more clearly made it a critique of white privelege. More so than I recall.


>I wanted a chance to ask you about the hotel laundry bit. So
>correct me if I'm wrong...but this was a bit you saw live that
>Louis repeated during the SNL monologue and you had expressed
>a discomfort in this being performed to a largely white
>audience and that it could be misconstrued as being racist by
>a racist audience. If there's anything I got wrong with that
>than my apologies.
>
>But if that was accurate...I wonder how you'd feel about the
>suggestion that this bit was actually rooted in a progressive
>framework. I interpreted it as an acknowledgement of a
>specific type of white privilege. So one of the main aspects
>of the bit is 'White privilege is wrong and should be
>abolished...but it's SUPPOSED to be exist right? Then WHY
>wasn't my laundry done on time?"
>
>This is a specific observation of a manifestation of racism
>wherein the morality of those white people who actually oppose
>racism still gets over-run by their opportunism and
>self-interest. The masterpiece 'Get Out' addresses this with
>the character who is blind and bids to win the protaganists'
>body. His first line of dialogue is 'Disgusting isn't it?'
>He's not racist and he thinks discrimination is the product of
>an 'uncivilized' mind. But he STILL wants those eyes! So
>he's not racist and seeks to separate himself from the
>morality of race discrimination ....yet at the end of the
>day....he will still willingly receive the benefits and
>advantages afforded to him BECAUSE of racism.
>
>That's what that bit was about to me.


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100. "Fair enough."
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I have enough respect for your judgement. So if this is the case...I'd bet Louis tweaked it. Perhaps because he sensed the way it was coming off.

  

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49. "He looked a little shook from the start"
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when he got that first big laugh he moved in, say what you want about Amy, Chappelle, Hannibal, the netflix gang, but I don't think any of them started off like they were nervous about going in.

repeating my cosign of the "Christians won" from above and the dick in the mouth for 20sec. . . that boy special.

he really did seem nervous at the beginning, unless that's just his thing.

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59. "Noone's articulated the problem with the 'Christians won' bit."
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What were you co-signing? Is it that it was offensive or not funny? I don't understand.

  

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61. "I have another post in this thread"
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I don't understand what you don't understand lol just read my other post. This can be your early easter.

and I have no interest in having a discussion about the problem you see with the joke, if it hasn't been articulated as you put it then just make a new response and point it out to everybody dude, express yourself.

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54. "I tried again. Louis CK just isn't for me I guess."
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I watched the whole special.

I wasn't horrible or anything...it just wasn't that funny. I chuckled out loud probably 3-4 times max.

  

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64. "I'm not even going to try and watch it"
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66. "I thought it was great. I'm a big fan, though. n/m"
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69. "i liked it a lot. I'm a pretty big fan tho"
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definitely won't 'convert' anyone who doesn't like him. I think Shameless/Chewed Up/Hilarious were his peak in stand-up. This wasn't on that level, but solid.

  

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79. "Glad it released, saw this tour live and thought it was peak Louis so"
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I can't really judge the special since I'd seen the material, but being there at the time I felt like it was up there with anything he'd ever done and told anyone who asked me about it that they could've filmed that performance and sold it as a special.

I did notice some of the jokes changed and there were a few new ones.

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81. "started off very slow for me"
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the abortion joke(s) really didn't do it for me but the magic mike shit had even my wife dying who hates him...

that dejected ISIS beheading joke almost killed me

it picked up halfway through and didn't slow down for me

8/10 for me

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84. "Both Louie and this show are in the "generally enjoy" category"
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I generally enjoyed 2017, but as usual with his standup and I never find my enjoyment or engagement rising to meet the high levels of reverence he gets from his more ardent base.

I will say I absolutely love Louie the show, however. I think that’s a brilliant show and ideal vehicle for him. I just don’t get the same level of enjoyment or engagement from his standup that I get from the show. I’m not sure what the disconnect is but it just seems that “I like it” is about is high as my praise gets, even with the low-key brilliance of bits like his abortion opener.

  

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85. "we're ><"
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86. "Just wasnt funny"
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I was gonna cut it off at the abortion/suicide stuff but I let it play...

just didn't get any better...

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87. "I rewatched this last night."
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The last third of this special might be the best stand-up of all time. Specifically....the bits related to 'Magic Mike'. This shit will live forever. I picked up on a couple jokes the audience didn't even get and you can see Louis cat-smiling cause he knew they didn't quite land. But for real....his dick unfurling and saying 'What are you guys doing here?' (in reference to Matthew Mchonany and Channing Tatum). Noone in the audience got it and Louis just smiles cause he knows that unacknowledged gold is coming out his mouth but will be documented forever.

This is his greatest work. Especially after a couple underwhelming specials beforehand. He wrote his way out of the kind of rut that's created by initially shocking the comedy world and then needing to find new heights and time will tell this tale. In 10 years from now....everyone will be giving this performance it's proper due. I predicted his success early on (before he became trendy) and now I'm making a new prediction. This special will go down in history as someone who had climbed Everest...then wrote himself some wings and flew even higher. The Beatles 'Abbey Road' type of thing here.

I was shocked when I first discovered 'Chewed up' and 'Shameless' around 2008/2009. I came straight to the PTP boards and declared I had seen the next best thing. There were quite a few people already hip to him. Sure enough....he became what he became in regards to mainstream success. But this special? He's taken it to a next level and we're witnessing history.

  

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94. "hell nah, breh"
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this isn't touching Shameless

that Christianity won bit was Carlin-esque, everything else was Louis in auto-pilot, which is still good, but yeah

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97. "The amount of nut hugging in dennys post is amazing"
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He climbed Everest and then wrote some wings to fly even higher?

Stay off that dope. Break!!!

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99. "Just my opinion."
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Louis is now the greatest ever. He's knocked Pryor out the number one spot for me. I've tried listening to some of the older guys. Lenny Bruce might be the most 'had to be there' type of guys cause I don't hear an ounce of funny in his old recordings. Red Foxx and Penny was worlds better than Lenny Bruce imo but after Pryor opened up the possibilities...it's hard to think of any of those old guys standing up to post-Pryor comics. I find Seinfeld over-rated. Bill Cosby is the greatest story-teller outta all them. I also find Eddie Murphy over-rated. George Carlin's politics are simple-minded to me...the kind of shit I used to think when I was 16. I used to love him and Bill Hicks but feel like I've outgrown that kinda conspiratorial worldview. I dig Sam Kinison and Dangerfield but they're lesser-weights and kinda gimmicky....still funny though.

1. Louis
2. Richard
3. Dave Chappelle
4. Bill Cosby (perhaps more story-teller than comic but nonetheless)
5. Chris Rock

I'm much more knowledgeable about music than comedy so I'd love to hear objections and/or admissions. But that's my list. Kinda strange that 4 outta 5 are black because to be honest....after those 4 there would be a STRONG drop-off for black comedians for me. I tried watching Martin Lawrence, Katt Williams, Eddie Griffith....none of them do anything for me. My numbers 6 through 20 would probably be almost all white with exceptions of Murphy and O'neil. Also Kevin Hart...I think he's alot better than the backlash against him suggests. I was under the impression comedy snobs put him in the same category as Dane Cook but when I took the time to actually check him out I was alot more impressed than I thought I'd be. It was his SNL monologue that sold me on him.

  

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88. "This was terrible"
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89. "reading your post right after Denny's is pure comedy"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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90. "LOL "
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It wasn't intentional but it goes for that post too

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93. "hilarious"
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2 thumbs up

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96. "comparatively weak"
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like did he know he had a show that night?

I still laughed.

I downloaded it.

but yeah this wasn't the best dick...

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98. "I'm thinking Beacon Theatre was the weak one. "
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this represents a change in direction in a few ways.

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102. "I was thinking about this special given the latest with this dude. "
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Aside from the #metoo stuff, I have been wondering if this dude changed or if the times changed so much that his shtick doesn't work anymore. I do remember, like I posted above, dude came off a bit Alt-Righty in his last special.

I was thinking this dude was talented enough to pivot from his #metoo to some interesting material but dude hasn't seemed to do that at all.




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103. "He's going to be a Fox news comedian soon"
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Mark my words - he'll be their new Dennis Miller.

Note:I've been less of a fan of Louis each year since 2008 or so, but I didn't see it ending this way.

I honestly expected suicide (the man is a miserable fuck, judging by his work) but now I think spite will keep him alive until he's 123 years old.

Edit; I expected a murder suicide was 50% likely too.

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104. "For a certain type of white* performer, it's VERY easy to flip from"
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caring, progressive, feminist type to alt-right talk radio uncle (particularly when the first one was just posturing and not something you actually believed.) It usually coincides with getting any pushback whatsoever for a bad thing you did.

What's so wild is this (along with Seinfeld talking about performing at colleges) is almost entirely theoretical for him. Like how often do you think he's genuinely been asked to use they/them for someone's pronouns?

* Outside of Kanye, I can't think of anyone that wasn't white that did this successfully, and the jury is still out on the successful part for him.

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106. "umm..niggas dont give a shit about kanye like that"
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pretty sure the majority of his fans are white and could care less if he wears a MAGA hat or not

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110. "Richard Spencer talked about this directly about two years ago."
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In some interview I read, he mentioned that young white people who are deep into social justice are ripe for being flipped that way because they're actively thinking about race alot, as opposed to the ones who dont, or dont have to, think about race much.

  

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111. "which is a lie and not relevant"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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115. "Or it means most of these guys didn't actually believe it to begin with"
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105. "Small personal anecdote, apropos of nothing probably"
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I saw Louis CK briefly, on a deserted train platform, on the morning of election day 2016. He was wearing a Hillary Clinton hat, skulking his way down the platform in sunglasses.

If he indeed makes the shift that you are anticipating, this image will be forever burned into my brain, and the situation will puzzle me a bit.




  

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107. "I don't think his politics have shifted that much. "
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It's not like he is a MAGA dude now I doubt. I think folks perception of him has shifted enough that he doesn't realize he can't get away with things that he use to get away with before.

If you have good will, there are a lot of jokes you can tell that people laugh off because they assume you come from a good place. If you don't have good will with your audience, then there are certain jokes you can't get away with.

Man Dave Chappelle said all sorts of stuff about these metoo victims being whiny and he got virtually no push back. Because people like him.



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114. "^ this. But ..."
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I also think it's very possible that CK, as someone already said, becomes a Fox News fixture largely because they may ultimately be the only audience who will openly and quickly welcome him back. And it's clear that he's not really going to apologize or atone for the shit he did.


>It's not like he is a MAGA dude now I doubt. I think folks
>perception of him has shifted enough that he doesn't realize
>he can't get away with things that he use to get away with
>before.
>
>If you have good will, there are a lot of jokes you can tell
>that people laugh off because they assume you come from a good
>place. If you don't have good will with your audience, then
>there are certain jokes you can't get away with.
>
>Man Dave Chappelle said all sorts of stuff about these metoo
>victims being whiny and he got virtually no push back.
>Because people like him.

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108. "I listened to all of the most recent leaked set"
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I think it's a little of both in what you are getting at. Times have obviously changed in terms of what people consider offensive, everything he says will clearly stand out more given his metoo status. He was never ultra liberal or anything. When he went on a twitter rant about common core w few years back, he had said a few right wing talk radio guys were trying to get him him to come on their shows because they felt they found a fellow traveler.

As far as that recorded set, a lot of it sounded like unpolished material he was testing out. *most* of it consistent with how he's talked about shit for the last decade, but again, everything he says now stands out more, and it's less funny talking like you're a shitty guy in stand up once people know about the shitty things you did off stage.
You can sense some increased bitterness, but the only part I felt really stood out was the Parkland kids thing. Dude was sounding like James Woods twitter feed, and just came off like a shitbag. I don't expect him to go full Dennis Miller, but I wouldn't be exactly shocked if he did.


  

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119. "I do think about a comedians ability to test out material"
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We had a big debate here when Chris Rock was testing out material about metoo culture that folks took offense to.

It seems like hard times to be a comedian because if you type of comedy is edgy shit then you are bound to cross the line a lot trying to find the edgy of the boundary. And given that that shit can leak.

Shit I know Tiffany Haddish is a hack comedian but does her spot need to be blown up every time she bombs?



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109. "he had already gotten super whiny about "PC" culture"
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very visibly, probably knowing his stuff would get out eventually

I just hope people who were defending him then would look back and say "oh, maybe there's a real, real problem with these people"

but they won't

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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128. "i think *all* old white guys end up bitching about pc culture"
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because its virtually the 1st time in american history theyre being held even slightly accountable for their bullshit.

even lefty bill maher dedicates a good couple minutes every show to rail on snowflake/sjw/woke types (using actual alt right framing/phrasing)...which apparently represent a greater threat to white men than actual fascists/authoritarians rolling back rights for various americans.

even milquetoast ass david axelrod was crying about louis ck being 'censored' (because people publicly expressed their disapproval of a routine someone had the freedom to perform and get paid for). dude helped put an actual constitutional lawyer in the white house and he still managed to come up with this bullshit.
https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1079786820370657281

pc culture is basically just historically voiceless groups now having a voice and discovering the power to tell other people how they should be defined and talked about. essentially having a say in their own public identities and inciting consequences for people who dont respect that. something white people have enjoyed since the founding of this country.

  

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116. "it's his reaction to outrage culture"
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i don't even call it anti-PC anymore but it annoys me too

i'm not railing against the left bc of it but i think most of it is intellectually cheap and largely emotional groupthink as complex as viral memes at this point

not liking something or pointing out something as problematic actually has currency...being offended even when that's part of the intent is this big thing

it's problematic or it's toxic and sometimes it is but it feels like it's gone to precise and almost academic to broad and a social currency performative kneejerkoff

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130. "outgrage culture is also not exclusive to the left"
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just more rampant, but the right interprets (misinterprets) plenty of shit as offensive regardless of intent.
Happy Holidays means fuck jesus
Anthem kneeling means fuck the troops, and fuck america
Black Lives Matter means only black lives matter, and death to all police
etc..

or getting overly upset and burning Nikes, and smashing their Goodfellas poster because DeNiro was mean to Trump


>i don't even call it anti-PC anymore but it annoys me too
>
>i'm not railing against the left bc of it but i think most of
>it is intellectually cheap and largely emotional groupthink as
>complex as viral memes at this point
>
>not liking something or pointing out something as problematic
>actually has currency...being offended even when that's part
>of the intent is this big thing
>
>it's problematic or it's toxic and sometimes it is but it
>feels like it's gone to precise and almost academic to broad
>and a social currency performative kneejerkoff

  

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133. "the outrage machine is a right wing invention."
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but nobody considered it an issue when black comedians were being barred from upscale clubs, nwa was being arrested for their concert routines, ludacris was being booted off pepsi ad campaigns, etc.

now that its been weaponized against rich and powerful white men...its apparently an existential threat to the fabric of our democracy.

shit im glad we have an outrage machine on the left now. its actually been a pretty effective equalizer at times. i just wish we would learn to train our fire away from our own side.

  

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142. "flipped it like "fake news""
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I'm not a fan of it either way. I might shrug it off and laugh when someone I don't like gets twittermobbed, but it's an overall shitty trend.

  

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145. "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUP"
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>but nobody considered it an issue when black comedians were
>being barred from upscale clubs, nwa was being arrested for
>their concert routines, ludacris was being booted off pepsi ad
>campaigns, etc.

  

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113. "I thought all these replies were about the NEW shit"
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Now it all makes sense

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117. "Hot Take: He's gotten FUNNIER since all the allegations"
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that same hunger he had when he was spittin bars on Chewed Up is back


I felt like the specials he was releasing right before all these allegations were lackluster. His belly was full



  

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118. "Did you hear the new set?"
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Or is this a super hot take?

I haven't. I will.


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120. "there's a pretty good audio floating around on youtube"
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i have heard it .. well worth the listen imo.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS13C0VUiQY

  

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122. "I've laughed quite a few times at this so far. Even the "controversial""
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bit about school shootings.
In context, the joke works.



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127. "the larger joke it was part of.."
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which was kind of an extension on Burr's take that young people are the new old people worked. The shooting thing was too cringy. It's the only part where he sounded like more of an angry dirtbag than a comedian.


>bit about school shootings.
>In context, the joke works.

  

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121. "Yeah, "Asians have small dicks" is some revolutionary shit"
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123. "am I YOUR dick or are you MY dick??"
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i'm sorry...
that shit was funny...
the Asian one, not so much...



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124. "it wasn't some revolutionary shit"
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Neither are the rest of these trash comedy specials. Louie's set was mostly funny. If he hadn't mentioned the school shooting, there would be much less chatter and no attacking each other over it.

  

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125. "Yeah, the school thing was the only part that stood out "
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Headlines lumped it with a few other things to make it sound like he went on a 45 minute hate speech rant

>Neither are the rest of these trash comedy specials. Louie's
>set was mostly funny. If he hadn't mentioned the school
>shooting, there would be much less chatter and no attacking
>each other over it

  

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129. "*Shrug* I thought it was kinda hacky"
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151. "its weird when people latch on to one specific joke"
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to get butthurt over


out of an entire set. With a comedian who is known for this kind of content




I saw your reply below about him needing to channel all of this the way Pryor did. And thats fair. He probably should be at least addressing it in his sets. But he either is not in that place yet or he simply cannot do what Pryor was able to.

  

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126. "Yep he's fucking amazing "
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Loved that set


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131. "the clip of his new material didnt really offend me."
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it didnt feel any different than 'old' louis ck.

some gender identification shit is even goofy/absurd to me...and im as liberal as they come.

and the parkland kids routine was basically a satirical way of saying young kids now are more involved/active and have their priorities straight while the kids of generations past were basically just typical rudderless do-nothings.

the asian dick shit was just unoriginal low-hanging fruit. im actually surprised that material even left the brainstorming stage because its extra stale at this point.

i think if he hadnt become such a social pariah (rightfully) then this routine wouldnt even really move the needle. his main mistake was lack of self-awareness. dude thought he was through the fire and clear to provoke again.

  

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132. "Exactly"
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>i think if he hadnt become such a social pariah (rightfully)
>then this routine wouldnt even really move the needle. his
>main mistake was lack of self-awareness. dude thought he was
>through the fire and clear to provoke again.

People going "well he was always like this" are missing the point. The audience's context for him is different now, so he can't do the "I'm a good guy, but here are the fucked up thoughts that go through my mind" persona anymore. Because audiences know that's not the case. Nobody's going to look at him the same again, so he can't be the same. It would be like Richard Pryor Live at the Sunset Strip (and I know this wasn't a special, he's working out material) if he never talked about lighting himself on fire.

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134. "did he ever go out and do the full-throated media apology tour?"
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i think it would go a long way for people to actually see him being remorseful. but it doesnt seem like he realizes the gravity of his actions...especially in the current cultural landscape.

dude shoulda came back heavy on the self-deprecation/introspection tip regarding the issue...just to ease himself back into the public sphere. thats basically an automatic comedic reflex for most folks.

i think dude just thought it would 'blow over' like any other celeb controversy. like a cheating scandal or dui or some shit lol.

maybe he had gotten away with it for so long...he prolly felt like the 'moment' was temporary...and he just got kicked up in a passing dust storm.

  

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135. "Nope"
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Put out a statement when the NYT article came out, stayed away for awhile and was back doing regular ol' Louis bits last fall. Hasn't addressed it at all except to once in a while talk about how he lost $30 million in one day or something like that while onstage.

I think he absolutely thought all he had to do was wait awhile and he could come back like nothing happened without consequence. Same thing with Matt Lauer and Charlie Rose, they're trying to come back without actually doing/saying anything, like it's a time out. They don't realize it's a workplace issue, in addition to a publicity one.

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136. "A loss of over $35M is a "time out"?"
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138. "Imagine crying over a multi-millionaire creep you don't even know"
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Couldn't be me.

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140. "LOL honestly."
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He is remorseless for his shitty actions, and is therefore a shitty person. Couldn't care less about the money he lost.

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147. "That's fine you can have that stupid opinion but that's not the debate"
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I was replying to the implication that "he didn't suffer enough mentality" that was stated as "a time out". People pretending that there was ever going to be a statement, action, loss of money, or amount of time etc that was EVER going to satisfy the people who are against him is fake, it's always fake. I don't do the pretend fantasy outcome you pretend you wish happened casue we all know you would never be satisfied LOL.


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141. "I think the major fail is not finding a way to incorporate it into his a..."
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in a way where he doesn't sound bitter behaving like a victim.

Now it's a tall order to pull off jokes about being a metoo perp but if people out there want to call you one of the great ones you have to try and do it.

Shit Richard Pryor did routines about freebasing and shooting up his wife's car...hence him being the greatest to ever do it.



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143. "EXACTLY"
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Louis would have the added obstacle of working out his material in the age of cell phone recordings, whereas Pryor was able to work his freebasing fire stuff out in small clubs before Live at the Sunset Strip made it available for everyone. But that's also the problem with every comic who reaches a certain level of fame, and he was kinda already there.

But he's not even trying to do that. Maybe he doesn't know how yet (like you said, that can't be easy) or maybe he just doesn't want to. He needs to understand that nobody is going to just accept him coming back like nothing happened and we don't all know what he did all those years.

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137. "Huh. The new material is...regressive "
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It's good, it's Louie good but it feels like a step backward from the strong progression he was making from special to special...actually, fuck it, his Netflix special felt like a small step backward as well

I say this as a fan, I felt like he doubled back on some of his old methods, riffs, techniques, etc

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139. "I genuinely don't get the pronoun thing"
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Like, people change what they want to be called all the time. Women get married, take a new last name. Your little cousin wants to be called Michael instead of Mike (or vice versa.) A new coworker once got introduced to everyone as Joe, had a nametag made up and everything, only before telling the manager he actually goes by his middle name. They made a new nametag and people called him by that.

I don't know, it just reminds me of the people who got upset when the guy who played at UCLA as Maurice Jones wanted to be called Maurice Jones-Drew in the NFL, or (still!) refuse to call Kareem Abdul-Jabbar by the name he's been using since the 70's. You know you CAN do it, you're just choosing not to.

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144. "The pronoun thing is kinda annoying though"
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Its' different from names. I went to an event with a bunch of high school kids in the city and each kid introduced themselves and their preferred pronoun. The assumption was that not only would I take the time to learn their name, but I would keep track of their preferred pro-noun. It just re-inforces the stereotype about young people being self-centered navel gazers at times.

Now as annoying as I generally find it, I get the purpose and I don't give that much of a shit about it that I would rant or rave about it, write a think piece about it, or start a movement against it. Who cares enough to fight it? people who are already miserable looking for something to complain about people.

There are ways to make fun of it in comedy, but CK louis ain't the one to do it at this point in time.

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146. "You're not considered ignorant or bigoted for calling Michael Mike tho"
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The they/them thing isn't a big deal to me other than it can get confusing in a conversation, but when we start getting into all this ze/zir and people are expected to learn 50+ new pronouns, and if you comment on it being excessive, it's considered malicious on your part, that's when it starts to all come off as self centered people looking for reasons to feel victimized.

That said, I'll cop to never having experienced any of this in real life. No one has ever asked me to call them any of these goofy modern pronouns, but there's no shortage of people I know who complain about it. It seems to be one of those things where the backlash over the thing far outweighs the actual thing.

  

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148. "^^^This"
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> It seems to be one of those things
>where the backlash over the thing far outweighs the actual
>thing.
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149. "it's really not that difficult to call someone what they want to be call..."
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if you have any respect for them at all.

and if you screw up, by accident, nobody actually tosses you into a snake filled pit. you move on and everyone lives their life.

but it's the respect part that gets folks.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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150. "exactly....it's not a chore to call someone a different pronoun."
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Saying 'they' instead of 'she' takes the same amount of effort. People like Louis CK and Jordan Peterson refuse to do this because, ultimately, they don't respect those people.

  

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153. "Well, Peterson thinks it's part of the neo-marxist post modernist plot"
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to destroy capitalism (seriously)

Louis is just being dickish at others expense. he probably doesn't actually care about it that much either way.

  

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152. "of course but refusing to do it, & havnig an opinion are separate things"
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If I met someone wanted to be called Zir, short of them being a dick about it, I would have no reason not to call them that.

That doesn't mean I don't find Zir or this mass of new pronouns any less silly. And again I gotta stress I don't know how much this is even a thing aside from facebook gender selections, and people complaining about it.

  

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