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Deacon Blues
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"Kyrie isn't serious about this flat earth stuff is he?"


  

          



It's just one big inside joke, right?

dude

  

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either way he came off/comes off as ignorant
Feb 26th 2017
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This. I have a friend or two who *insist* he's trolling.
Feb 26th 2017
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Unfortunately he and Draymond Green are serious lol
Feb 26th 2017
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Has he said he isn't? He said he believes it right?
Feb 26th 2017
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Easiest way to disprove that would be to have a live feed of the earth
Feb 26th 2017
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RE: Easiest way to disprove that would be to have a live feed of the ear...
Feb 26th 2017
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^not woke
Feb 26th 2017
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sleeping with drool coming out
Feb 26th 2017
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* *thows TV crazy @ this exchange* *
Feb 26th 2017
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The real irony is that internally I give conspiracy theories an ear.
Feb 26th 2017
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      youd think we'd atleast heard of some amature astronomers
Feb 26th 2017
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           That's what people say about the guy that "cured AIDS"
Feb 26th 2017
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that video seems to prove my point. Very select footage
Feb 26th 2017
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      so you believe the live stream is actively doctored?
Feb 26th 2017
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      I think it's fair to expect to see some debris or at least
Feb 27th 2017
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           Debris travels at up to 17,500 mph, is typically smaller than a basketba...
Feb 27th 2017
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      RE: that video seems to prove my point. Very select footage
Feb 26th 2017
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           My argument is they are obscuring the earth and space
Feb 26th 2017
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                That's your null hypothesis. Not an argument.
Feb 27th 2017
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                     now that that's cleared up why isn't the entire earth on that feed?
Feb 27th 2017
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                          If I give you an answer you'll ask another question.
Feb 27th 2017
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                               Educate himself with 'they' schools?
Feb 27th 2017
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                               how do you folks say there must be life out there given the numbers
Feb 27th 2017
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                                    Because we barely understand consciousness for onr
Feb 27th 2017
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                                         If there is life intelligent enough to get here It could likely stay hid...
Feb 27th 2017
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                                              Or evolution favors the least tasty and most adaptable species
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                   Ancient writings don't suggest that
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                        You could've started with aliens
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                             did you miss the part where I said I don't believe it's flat 2x ?
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                  Vaccinations and dental care are the accelerants.
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                       The phrase be fruitful and multiply speaks to mans early proliferation
Feb 27th 2017
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                               Could have deaded the whole thing with one but I'll ask again
Feb 27th 2017
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                                    All of the land masses or all of earth in one shot?
Feb 27th 2017
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                                         http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/57e1a3cfb0ef97eb018b709b-1200/n...
Feb 27th 2017
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                                              RE: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/57e1a3cfb0ef97eb018b709b-12...
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                   They say it's round, could show and prove, thus less doubt if any
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                        I believe you've supplemented skepticism for your own intelligence
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                             I'm not very scholastic or intelligent so I doubt that
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                  so u want a satellite
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                  Like they've somehow made rocket launches appear so easy
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                  Why are you so certain there would be no additional value?
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                  No personally I don't care but it would shut more folks up
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                       It wouldn't shut those people up though. They literally believe NOTHING
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                  RE: I'm not very scholastic or intelligent
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                       I'm just saying if they wanted to show the full earth from space live
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                            How? This is why science is so important.
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                 So a manned capsule can capture such and image but nothing else?
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      The Hubble telescope is manned?
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      I asked if you were saying astronauts can capture an image tech can't
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      RE: I asked if you were saying astronauts can capture an image tech can'...
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      MEAT what are you talking about!? I'm not saying the earth is flat!
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      You asked why they can't capture the whole earth via camera right?
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      just use panaroma setting
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      Additionally moving further away from an orb makes it appear flatter.
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      lol...just gonna look like a giant ass pizza lol
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      I drew a diagram. I'm embarrassed of myself.
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      RE: Additionally moving further away from an orb makes it appear flatter...
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      if earth is rotating it appearing flat makes no difference right?
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      I get your point, but flat earthers don't believe ANY video or pics
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      true but maybe you can reach some lol
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      Circular round or spherical round
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                                      This looks spherical to me,
Feb 27th 2017
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wth you talking about? lol ther's more going on? your Capricorn One azz
Feb 26th 2017
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There is plenty of video of unexplained phenomena in space
Feb 26th 2017
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      that is being actively covered up nm
Feb 26th 2017
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      More that it can't have all been studied and evaluated yet
Feb 26th 2017
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           There could easily be far more known than what's shared
Feb 27th 2017
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           most have something to gain
Feb 27th 2017
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           Yeah guess you can't gain much by keeping folks in ignorance
Feb 27th 2017
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                thats what im getting at
Feb 28th 2017
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           Amazing that your default is how intelligent "they" are
Feb 27th 2017
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                Nothing to do with their intelligence more about our lack of questioning...
Feb 27th 2017
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                     I don't have to question molecular bonds to wonder if my drinking water ...
Feb 27th 2017
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                          Is this a culture that practices transparency and honesty or not?
Feb 27th 2017
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                               IDK. But doubt of individuals doesn't mean I have to rehash science
Feb 27th 2017
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                                    Science is only as good as the scientist. And they work for checks too
Feb 27th 2017
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                                         Science and scientis are actually REALLY good.
Feb 27th 2017
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                                              the nazis had REALLY GOOD scientists too some even made it here
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                   bruh...
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                                                        Scientists arent the gold standard for honesty and morality
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                             I'm talking about this whole thread
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                                                                  It's weird -- just saying there could be more going on around us
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                                                                       nah bruh
Feb 27th 2017
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                                                                            thats all I was saying anyway, It's really not that serious.
Feb 27th 2017
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           Unless you don't believe that man landed on the moon in 1969...
Feb 27th 2017
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                I believe Neil Armstrong landed on the moon whatever year that was
Feb 27th 2017
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I'm pretty sure there's a lot going on in space
Feb 26th 2017
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There are known unknowns and unknown unknowns.
Feb 26th 2017
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haha
Feb 27th 2017
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you missed the important part
Feb 26th 2017
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      I didn't miss the space conspiracy part
Feb 26th 2017
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           haha nm
Feb 26th 2017
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oh jesus fuckin christ
Feb 26th 2017
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OR.......
Feb 26th 2017
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Dude I use to go to sleep watching a live feed of the earth.
Feb 26th 2017
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      so the cable companies are in on it too?
Feb 26th 2017
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           It's literally global.
Feb 26th 2017
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                what would the corresponding flat earth term be for global
Feb 26th 2017
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                     discal
Feb 28th 2017
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                          discalist
Feb 28th 2017
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this donk
Feb 26th 2017
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Lol, someone should tell him
Feb 26th 2017
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      but im certain any pilot he hires is gotten to no?
Feb 26th 2017
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We talked about this when BoB was tweeting flat earth theories
Feb 26th 2017
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Folks acting like the BoB post on OKP didn't happen.
Feb 26th 2017
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RE: We talked about this when BoB was tweeting flat earth theories
Feb 27th 2017
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      as a fed, I WILL say....it's amazing to ME that any federal agency is
Feb 27th 2017
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      a > b
Feb 27th 2017
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      The customs documents were part of the elaborate ruse
Feb 27th 2017
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      But our government has done so much amazing shit though
Feb 27th 2017
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      RE: But our government has done so much amazing shit though
Feb 27th 2017
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      we landed on the moon SIX times
Feb 27th 2017
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           RE: we landed on the moon SIX times
Feb 28th 2017
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      The moon landing folks aren't nearly as weird tho
Feb 27th 2017
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           Right. The belief that the moon landing was fake is just a small
Feb 27th 2017
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I thought he was doing a mock barbershop/hood philosopher
Feb 27th 2017
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He's had ample time to say he was just playing.
Feb 27th 2017
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nope. Occam's razor. he's dumb.
Feb 27th 2017
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why is a flat earth so unblievable tho...?
Feb 27th 2017
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tell me what you see when you take a close look at a star.
Feb 27th 2017
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RE: tell me what you see when you take a close look at a star.
Feb 27th 2017
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      maybe shitty digital screens and camera lenses plus atmosphere
Feb 27th 2017
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I mean I can't believe I'm replying to this but
Feb 27th 2017
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preciate the minimal snark.
Feb 27th 2017
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https://media.giphy.com/media/TdmTcdoN3egaQ/giphy.gif
Feb 27th 2017
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lol. good use of Willard. but i have no horse in this race.
Feb 27th 2017
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      https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oz8xKTpzyMo9bAdP2/giphy.gif
Feb 27th 2017
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           ur 2 for 2 with gifs.
Feb 27th 2017
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                https://media0.giphy.com/media/YBJ7G6SmYZAZi/giphy.gif
Feb 28th 2017
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There are several tests you can do on your own to proof the earth
Feb 27th 2017
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just re: the 'ships appearing over the horizon' thing for now
Feb 27th 2017
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      so that's obviously not true. it's a made up law of perspective.
Feb 28th 2017
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      Okay gotcha. Followup on your initial post - you mentioned that you
Feb 28th 2017
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      Lol, give this dude an F in middle school geometry.
Feb 28th 2017
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Fwd me that "27 people fell off earth today" link when you can, thanks
Feb 28th 2017
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*updates database*
Feb 28th 2017
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archive this sadness
Feb 27th 2017
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We're gonna need a bigger database
Feb 27th 2017
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gah damn. MEAT, I salute you bruh
Feb 28th 2017
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I think that's a cop out for people who may not be dumb, but aren't smar...
Feb 28th 2017
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      there's unexplained phenomena often occurring around the planet
Mar 01st 2017
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           But it really is far fetched that's the problem.
Mar 01st 2017
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                I don't know what your reading vs what I'm typing
Mar 01st 2017
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                     RE: I don't know what your reading vs what I'm typing
Mar 01st 2017
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                          I'm not pivoting -- it's all connected to one suggestion
Mar 01st 2017
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                               RE: I'm not pivoting -- it's all connected to one suggestion
Mar 01st 2017
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                                    huh? there's plenty that good science ignores or sometime warps
Mar 01st 2017
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                                         So now that you see I'm not pivoting you resort to just name calling ?
Mar 01st 2017
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                                              RE: So now that you see I'm not pivoting you resort to just name calling...
Mar 01st 2017
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                                                   If u r saying the community doesn't ignore, cover up, or lie u r wrong
Mar 01st 2017
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Im neither smart enough nor dumb enough for this post
Feb 28th 2017
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Some people in here should never make fun of Trump supporters ever again...
Feb 28th 2017
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this post is terrifying to me.
Feb 28th 2017
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I was only two months off.
Feb 28th 2017
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i agree.
Feb 28th 2017
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And. ya'll mad at me for believing in God. LOL Flat Earth.. LOL
Feb 28th 2017
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To be fair, the "healing power of prayer" is just as dumb,
Feb 28th 2017
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https://media.giphy.com/media/13zujvPkBCXhKM/giphy.gif
Feb 28th 2017
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the sky genie and his zombie clone are pretty silly also nm
Feb 28th 2017
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Why is this thread so long... lmao
Feb 28th 2017
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If I'm in being funky, I was arguing by proxy.
Feb 28th 2017
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Nah.. you good fam
Feb 28th 2017
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i do that here alot. i'll see a post time & the number of replies
Feb 28th 2017
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with this thinking here, Trump got a LOT of black votes
Feb 28th 2017
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The system is the same no matter who's running it!
Feb 28th 2017
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      yup..thats was/is 'part' of their rational aka flat earth shit
Feb 28th 2017
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So for the record organized whiteness in labcoats we can trust?
Mar 01st 2017
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at least, Bill Nye
Mar 01st 2017
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haha go explain organized whiteness to an astronaut
Mar 01st 2017
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this whole thread makes my soul hurt.
Mar 01st 2017
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He dumb
Nov 01st 2017
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It's why he is in Boston.. he thinks he is smart
Nov 01st 2017
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i was just trolling, but #actually
Nov 01st 2017
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y'all come talk your shit at the Flat Earth Confrence 2017
Nov 01st 2017
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Open bar?
Nov 01st 2017
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      VERY unlikely
Nov 01st 2017
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motherfuckers can tell you anything and EVERYTHING about NASA
Nov 01st 2017
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Kyrie is 25 looking like he's 43
Nov 01st 2017
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1. "either way he came off/comes off as ignorant"
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>It's just one big inside joke, right?

  

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13. "This. I have a friend or two who *insist* he's trolling."
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But since it isn't obvious irony, it's definitely an incredibly bad look, regardless of what he believes.

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2. "Unfortunately he and Draymond Green are serious lol "
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3. "Has he said he isn't? He said he believes it right?"
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So take him at his word.

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4. "Easiest way to disprove that would be to have a live feed of the earth"
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That wasn't edited at odd sections like much of what NASA releases. And for the record I don't believe the earth is flat, but I do believe there's more going on with our planet, it's moon, and space than is let on

  

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5. "RE: Easiest way to disprove that would be to have a live feed of the ear..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc


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7. "^not woke"
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9. "sleeping with drool coming out"
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36. "* *thows TV crazy @ this exchange* *"
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LMAO! Yall ninjaz aint shit...

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17. "The real irony is that internally I give conspiracy theories an ear. "
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I approach them from a critical standpoint and then walk through all of the bullshit that would have to exist for them to be true.
The meetings. The paperwork. The teleconferences. The collusion. The work around to petty infighting.
The list of things that would have to go right to perpetuate falsehoods on a massive scale is ridiculously long.


Meanwhile these bozos are sitting here like white people and additionally the worlds governments are all knowing and all powerful despite consistent evidence to the contrary.

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18. "youd think we'd atleast heard of some amature astronomers"
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disappearing or getting offed

  

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29. "That's what people say about the guy that "cured AIDS""
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24. "that video seems to prove my point. Very select footage "
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http://www.popsci.com/now-you-can-see-all-space-junk-floating-around-earth-real-time

They must have the space station at the cleanest point of orbit

  

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26. "so you believe the live stream is actively doctored?"
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or you believe there is no space junk?


and you are saying because you do not see space junk in that live stream proves thats theres something "they" are keeping from "us"?


Because when I look up at the sky and see an airplane at 30k feet and it appears to be the size of my thumbnail(or even smaller),

it seems reasonable to e that it would be difficult to see 99% of the space junk orbiting the earth with the naked eye from a video camera on the space station


but thats just me

  

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76. "I think it's fair to expect to see some debris or at least"
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Wasn't there any from setting up the space station in the first place? I have my doubts about the feed being live. It doesn't seem like a smart thing just from a national security standpoint.

  

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106. "Debris travels at up to 17,500 mph, is typically smaller than a basketba..."
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And traveling within frame of earth.
You can barely watch a golf ball travel across a course.
On earth
On a clear sky
Moving at less than 200 mph.
So you shouldn't expect to see something that small, moving that fast, particularly when a
PLANET
Moving
FASTER
Is
In
The
Same
Frame.

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28. "RE: that video seems to prove my point. Very select footage "
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https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-ISS-photos-show-any-of-the-thousands-of-satellites-orbiting-Earth

http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/56774/20170203/space-junk-crowds-earth-s-orbit-don-t-see-photos.htm

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AUJcdKcItAgJ:https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/43yx4f/eli5_if_there_are_tons_of_satellites_and_space/+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Like none of this is even remotely hard to figure out. You use doubt to support your point of view, but not to question your point of view, that's a you problem and against the scientific method of inquiry.

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34. "My argument is they are obscuring the earth and space "
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You can not see the entire earth in that footage so my point still stands

  

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43. "That's your null hypothesis. Not an argument. "
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44. "now that that's cleared up why isn't the entire earth on that feed?"
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46. "If I give you an answer you'll ask another question. "
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At what point will you stop answering your doubt with specific questions and instead educate yourself fully?

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48. "Educate himself with 'they' schools?"
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fuck you.

  

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51. "how do you folks say there must be life out there given the numbers"
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But it couldn't have possibly interacted with this world at any point and certainly isn't doing so now? Can't have it both ways

  

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53. "Because we barely understand consciousness for onr"
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For two what we know about dimensions and perceptions is that we cant conceive of a dimension beyond ours. A being in a two dimensional world can't even perceive a 3D one and a 3D one can't perceive a 4D one.

For three. Space and time is vast and the universe is both constantly expanding and accelerating in its expansion. So between time, distance, and space time finding signs of other life are outrageously improbable.

Four four. We have extreme limitations on what we can observe in our own world. How deep is life in the ocean? No clue we can't get there. Is there possible life at the core? Unlikely, but we can't get there to observe. Some Jungles in the Amazon can't be reached. So caves can't be explored. And that's on earth. This planet.

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55. "If there is life intelligent enough to get here It could likely stay hid..."
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Or obscured and if it's responsible for our existence than we're on it's time it's not on ours.

  

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58. "Or evolution favors the least tasty and most adaptable species"
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And we're multiplying like wildfire.

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60. "Ancient writings don't suggest that"
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They suggest evolution was hijacked which resulted in mutliplyimg like wildfire

  

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62. "You could've started with aliens"
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Wasting my time here talking to an alien flat earth conspiracy theorist.

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64. "did you miss the part where I said I don't believe it's flat 2x ?"
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Religion says humans were created from other terrestrials too. Darwin says black people are the most like monkies, I know which of those two I'm writing off.

Also you could have just answered my question about the camera distance

  

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74. "Vaccinations and dental care are the accelerants. "
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Not aliens. It's having people live longer and be less susceptible to pandemics.
As living and pregnancy become less dangerous people produce more offspring.

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79. "The phrase be fruitful and multiply speaks to mans early proliferation "
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As intended by his makers

  

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50. "Could have deaded the whole thing with one but I'll ask again"
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Why aren't they showing the entire earth from space?

This isn't about it being flat it's about there likely being things one can see from space on earth or its surrounding atmosphere that would cause a lot of control systems to fail. Particularly religion.

  

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52. "All of the land masses or all of earth in one shot?"
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54. "http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/57e1a3cfb0ef97eb018b709b-1200/n..."
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http://ep.yimg.com/ay/skyimage/earth-from-space-44.jpg

^ Why wouldn they set up a camera to capture it as above?

Never mind on the questions I think you would have answered by now

  

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56. "RE: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/57e1a3cfb0ef97eb018b709b-12..."
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Which is a single shot.

Q1:What kind of distance from the earth would a lens have to be to not distort the image.

Q2: what purpose would designating a satellite at that distance serve as

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59. "They say it's round, could show and prove, thus less doubt if any"
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You aren't t under the impression that I believe the earth is flat are you?

  

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63. "I believe you've supplemented skepticism for your own intelligence "
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That you treat the ability to ask a question as a measure of scholasticism.

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65. "I'm not very scholastic or intelligent so I doubt that "
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I'm just stating something obvious or trying to. Simply show what you want to prove the end.

Show a round earth and people stop questioning it to a large degree,

  

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68. "so u want a satellite "
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to be placed far enough that would serve zero purpose other than to appease a small number of morons? really? you can see it's round in the live stream above just by watching it long enough...wtf

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73. "Like they've somehow made rocket launches appear so easy "
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That the idea that a satellite should be developed, built, deployed, and work effectively to serve a single non essential purpose is treated rationally in some people's heads.

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82. "Why are you so certain there would be no additional value?"
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Didn't you say there was a lot we didn't understand? Isn't there radiation and what not that can be monitored from there? Maybe the propoganda value in and of itself would be enough of a return on investment? Idk

  

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81. "No personally I don't care but it would shut more folks up"
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It would be cheaper to put a satellite with a camera similar in strength to that used by the Apollo astronauts when they were at the proper distance

Certainly less costly than a Martian probe that goes offline

  

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85. "It wouldn't shut those people up though. They literally believe NOTHING"
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that isn't what they can see with their own eyes:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions

There are many pictures on the internet and in other media depicting the earth as being round. Why do these not disprove flat earth theory?

In general, we at the Flat Earth Society do not lend much credibility to photographic evidence. It is too easily manipulated and altered. Many of the videos posted here to "prove a round earth" by showing curvature will show no curvature or even concave curvature at parts. The sources are so inaccurate it's difficult to build an argument on them in either case. Furthermore, barrel distortion and other quirks of modern cameras will cause a picture to distort with little or no apparent altercation; especially without references within the picture. Photographs are also prone to distortion when taken through the bent glass of a pressurized cabin as well as atmospheric conditions on the outside. With this litany of problems, it's easy to see why photographic evidence is not to be trusted.

It's also worth noting that if a person were to look down at the earth from high above, they would expect to see a circular shape where the sun's spotlight was shining. This explains why high altitude photographs are generally curved to produce the illusion of a round horizon.

People have been into space. How have they not discovered that the earth is flat?

The most commonly accepted explanation of this is that the space agencies of the world are involved in a conspiracy faking space travel and exploration. This likely began during the Cold War's 'Space Race', in which the USSR and USA were obsessed with beating each other into space to the point that each faked their accomplishments in an attempt to keep pace with the other's supposed achievements. Since the end of the Cold War, however, the conspiracy is most likely motivated by greed rather than political gains, and using only some of their funding to continue to fake space travel saves a lot of money to embezzle for themselves.

In light of the above, please note that we are not suggesting that space agencies are aware that the earth is flat and actively covering the fact up. They depict the earth as being round simply because that is what they expect it to be.

What evidence do you have?

The evidence for a flat earth is derived from many different facets of science and philosophy. The simplest is by relying on ones own senses to discern the true nature of the world around us. The world looks flat, the bottoms of clouds are flat, the movement of the sun; these are all examples of your senses telling you that we do not live on a spherical heliocentric world. This is using what's called an empirical approach, or an approach that relies on information from your senses. Alternatively, when using Descartes' method of Cartesian doubt to skeptically view the world around us, one quickly finds that the notion of a spherical world is the theory which has the burden of proof and not flat earth theory.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/faq

What about pictures from space?

There are a plethora of resources available that show us we can't trust the photographic evidence from organizations such as NASA. Some of the evidences that these should be discounted include constant changes in their depiction of the Earth, inconsistent lighting in moon footage, and other irregularities which are discussed in depth by those who believe the Moon landing was a hoax.

What about Astronauts?

Most Flat Earthers think Astronauts have been bribed or coerced into their testimonies. Some believe they have been fooled or are mistaken.

  

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69. "RE: I'm not very scholastic or intelligent"
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Fucking obviously
So stop acting like you are. The camera that you're asking for can't/doesn't exist.
You either get one that rotates with the earth to show you the curve ... which I linked to.
Or one that's far enough away to show you curvatures of shapes ... which you linked to.

One of the main reasons you can even perceive spheres is shadows and spacial relationships in the first place. But guess what. It's fucking space. And the nearest orb is the moon. And people have been using the moon as proof of curvature well before cameras.

You don't want answers. You want to be right.

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83. "I'm just saying if they wanted to show the full earth from space live"
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They could. And if they did people would be less doubtful. Personally, I think they don't due to possibly capturing unexplained phoenomeana around our earths atmosphere as well as on its surface and yeah maybe it's not worth it overall but at the same time there's no reason why there couldn't be a way station between the earth and moon. Y'know if the human trend of colonisation hadn't abruptly ceased.

  

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88. "How? This is why science is so important. "
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What your asking for isn't physically possible.

I drew a quick sketch.

http://i.imgur.com/4JblqbS.jpg

The diameter of the earth is 31 times greater than the distance from the international space station or Hubble telescope.

That's stufff that orbits the earth.

For satellites they've sent further to explore our universe have nothing aside the moon to show the distortion backdrop needed to visualize curves.

You're asking for things that physically can not exist. And then ignoring the proofs that do exist. That's not a science thing. That's a you thing.

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90. "So a manned capsule can capture such and image but nothing else?"
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Is what you're saying?

  

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92. "The Hubble telescope is manned?"
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The largest satellite in orbit is the ISS
The second is the Hubble
You need large lenses to provide large angles.
I shouldn't have to explain these things to you.

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93. "I asked if you were saying astronauts can capture an image tech can't "
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Because that's what it sounds like you're saying since Apollo atronauts are said to have photographed the earth while between it and the moon.

A device couldn't be built to do the same thing a few men in a giant oxygen tank did?

  

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94. "RE: I asked if you were saying astronauts can capture an image tech can'..."
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You showed me a picture of the earth. It appeared flat to you. I explained why a sphere would appear flat.
I showed you a video of a low orbiting satellite which is the only way to show curvature relative to the planet. You dismissed that as doctored.
I drew a diagram of the size and distance for what you're asking to be photographed. Now you're saying about pictures from the distance of the moon.
Where you'd still run into the issue of a black background unable to show curvature.

The reason you can observe curvature of the moons surface.
https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/langley/50th-anniversary-of-lunar-orbiter-1-mission
Is because it's 7 times smaller than the earth. But responding to you isn't helping.

I'm good man. Have a good one.

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95. "MEAT what are you talking about!? I'm not saying the earth is flat! "
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I'm saying if they can photograph it as a sphere they could set up a device at the same distance the astronauts were at when they took it in the 60's and I'm asking you if your're saying that's impossible.

  

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96. "You asked why they can't capture the whole earth via camera right?"
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Live stream right ?

You posted this one; http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=13129419&mesg_id=13129745&page= correct?

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97. "just use panaroma setting"
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lol


>I'm saying if they can photograph it as a sphere they could
>set up a device at the same distance the astronauts were at
>when they took it in the 60's and I'm asking you if your're
>saying that's impossible.

  

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99. "Additionally moving further away from an orb makes it appear flatter. "
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The stars in the sky aren't flat. But they appear to be little dots because we're far away.
Jesus

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101. "lol...just gonna look like a giant ass pizza lol"
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im dying man

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102. "I drew a diagram. I'm embarrassed of myself. "
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104. "RE: Additionally moving further away from an orb makes it appear flatter..."
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>The stars in the sky aren't flat. But they appear to be
>little dots because we're far away.
>Jesus

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107. "if earth is rotating it appearing flat makes no difference right? "
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My whole point is that for people who doubt that earth is round they could just show the earth from the distance astronauts have videoed it from, but it sounds like MEAT is saying thats not possible because of the earth being too big in circumference to fully capture on film for much of the distance between earth and the moon, but if that's true where are the images that show a round earth coming from? Satellites we send out into space like voyager?

  

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109. "I get your point, but flat earthers don't believe ANY video or pics "
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from NASA or anyone else for that matter. They only believe in what they can observe with their own eyes because they believe any photographic evidence is doctored, and that NASA's entire existence is to promote the conspiracy.

  

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113. "true but maybe you can reach some lol"
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110. "Circular round or spherical round "
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111. "This looks spherical to me, "
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https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/earth-the-water-planet-blue.jpg?w=800&h=534

but even if it appears more flat and circular what difference would it make if it's rotating?

Also if images like this aren't possible to take until about the moons distance from earth where are these images coming from? Satellites we send out of the system?

  

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6. "wth you talking about? lol ther's more going on? your Capricorn One azz"
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>That wasn't edited at odd sections like much of what NASA
>releases. And for the record I don't believe the earth is
>flat, but I do believe there's more going on with our planet,
>it's moon, and space than is let on

  

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25. "There is plenty of video of unexplained phenomena in space "
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it can't all be fake

  

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27. "that is being actively covered up nm"
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30. "More that it can't have all been studied and evaluated yet"
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Man only landed on the moon in 1972. Do you know what the state of technology was in 1972? That's our baseline starting point to evaluate and observe theories ... 45 years of observable data.

We know more about football than we do about space.

We know more about coke a cola than we do about space

We know more about McDonalds burgers than we do about space.

It's not a cover up, it's lack of inquiry and funding for research.

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37. "There could easily be far more known than what's shared "
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Plenty of organizations keep secrets why would NASA be any different ?

  

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38. "most have something to gain"
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motive if you will

this is one of the aspects of the grand conspiracy i've always been fascinated by


what exactly to "they" have to gain

  

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45. "Yeah guess you can't gain much by keeping folks in ignorance "
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Didn't work for the Catholic Church or colonial and American slave masters. I suspect there's plenty that can be seen from space that at the very least would cause things like religion to fall apart. That in and of itself is enough reason.

  

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136. "thats what im getting at"
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NASA as an organization, would seemingly have MORE to gain if it turned out there was more going on in space

so to me for this to work it would require outside forces being involved which seems tough to pull off, and again to what extent, to keep people ignorant as you say? I dont really feel there is much to be gained but this is just my opinion

how would an outside group control NASA so tightly? Threaten funding of the entire agency if they reveal whats really happening?

I dunno this is where IMO it falls apart mostly the motivation and end goal for what is required to pull off

  

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42. "Amazing that your default is how intelligent "they" are"
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That despite everything we know about "them" and their short comings they're able to pull a cosmic conspiracy over your eyes.

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47. "Nothing to do with their intelligence more about our lack of questioning..."
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Honestly why should black people or any group really even trust what the culture and its organizations put out as truth?

This is the same culture and society that perpetuated false bible and scientific principles simply to keep people viewed as animal-like and now they are honest saints bringing us the raw truth about the universe in real time? Ok.

  

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49. "I don't have to question molecular bonds to wonder if my drinking water ..."
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Clean.
I don't have to question science itself to question government information.

You sound as dumb as a person who would respond to the extrajudicial killing of black people at the hands of police by asking what materials the bullets are REALLY made of.

If your mistrust of power is so deep that you'll doubt the laws of nature and physics then your issues run way deeper than any one thing another person could tell you.

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57. "Is this a culture that practices transparency and honesty or not?"
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61. "IDK. But doubt of individuals doesn't mean I have to rehash science"
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I wasn't born in 1983 to argue with Pythagoras and Socrates

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66. "Science is only as good as the scientist. And they work for checks too "
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If they'll teach you a map with knowingly disproportionate continents why would they show an untailored earth?

  

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71. "Science and scientis are actually REALLY good. "
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Historically better than nearly every other field of study and inquiry in all of human history.

Not only do they constantly work and develop new ideas and technologies but they constantly revisit old ideas and technologies to maintain accuracy.

If every profession adopted the scientific method of inquiry to problem solve, the world would be a much better place.

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78. "the nazis had REALLY GOOD scientists too some even made it here "
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I'm not questioning the validity of honest science I'm questioning when it's practiced or presented

  

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84. "bruh... "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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86. "Scientists arent the gold standard for honesty and morality "
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Is the point I'm making. Science has been used to harm just as many as it's helped. It may have even hurt more in all likelihood.

  

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87. "I'm talking about this whole thread"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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91. "It's weird -- just saying there could be more going on around us"
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That would make sense to keep quiet and folks are tripping like that's impossible!

  

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98. "nah bruh"
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be doubtful of some shit thats actually being said

you dont even think the earth is flat and don't realize they dont care about facts...but keep presenting useless hypothetical that will shut them up when we cant even shut u up about a belief you dont even hold

im fucking dying

yes, some shit may not be as it seems

some shit may even be purposefully obscured

but...price of tea in china steady as fuck man

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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108. "thats all I was saying anyway, It's really not that serious."
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Ia NASA lying about the earth being flat of course not, do they tell or show us everything they encounter I doubt it.

  

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39. "Unless you don't believe that man landed on the moon in 1969..."
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the first moon landing was in 1969.

  

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41. "I believe Neil Armstrong landed on the moon whatever year that was"
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And that I should spend more than a few cursory seconds browsing dates before posting.

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8. "I'm pretty sure there's a lot going on in space "
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Because it's Space

>That wasn't edited at odd sections like much of what NASA
>releases. And for the record I don't believe the earth is
>flat, but I do believe there's more going on with our planet,
>it's moon, and space than is let on

  

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10. "There are known unknowns and unknown unknowns. "
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115. "haha"
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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

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11. "you missed the important part"
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15. "I didn't miss the space conspiracy part"
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16. "haha nm"
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12. "oh jesus fuckin christ"
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i will not let finite disappointment undermine infinite hope
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Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
- Gary Lineker

  

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14. "OR......."
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you can simply uncover the friendship between NASA, Russian, (and any other nation's) space programs that happens to be keeping all the secrets from the rest of the world.

  

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19. "Dude I use to go to sleep watching a live feed of the earth. "
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It was part of the local cable package when I was in college.

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20. "so the cable companies are in on it too? "
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holy fuck

  

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22. "It's literally global."
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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23. "what would the corresponding flat earth term be for global"
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since you know we no longer live in a globe

  

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140. "discal"
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146. "discalist "
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21. "this donk"
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has enough money that he could literally charter a jet and say "ok, jus fly straight" until he winds up back where he started.
so, ya...

  

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31. "Lol, someone should tell him"
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dude

  

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32. "but im certain any pilot he hires is gotten to no?"
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maybe he should go get his pilots license first, and if he comes back from flight school talking all that round earth nonsense we know what time it is

  

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33. "We talked about this when BoB was tweeting flat earth theories"
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last year. And it goes WAAAAAYYYYY beyond the basic proofs mentioned in this post. The people who believe it think they have an answer for everything, and it all comes down to it being a MASSIVE conspiracy. They won't believe any pictures or video from NASA because they believe that NASA's entire existence is based on the conspiracy. They won't believe what pilots say, or any logical evidence, or pictures from regular people taken during air travel showing the earth's curvature.

To summarize, they believe the earth is a flat disc, with Antarctica actually being an ice wall around the edge. They think that what normal people think of as gravity is that flat disc constantly traveling upward. They believe the sun is rotating in the sky above the disc, causing day and night based on where is shining down like a flashlight. They even have some kind of explanation for the seasons, I just forget what it is.

Here's the FAQ from one of the fat earth websites, which explains most of the theory and their rebuttals to the basic logical proofs we'd bring up. The fact that there are a ton of people who actually believe this is so fascinating to me.

https://wiki.tfes.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions

  

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35. "Folks acting like the BoB post on OKP didn't happen. "
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Wake up, Pray! Go to work, Pray! Go home, Pray! Love, Pray! Eat, Pray! Live, Pray!

  

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40. "RE: We talked about this when BoB was tweeting flat earth theories"
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We have a dude on tour with us that believes that hollywppd had that super advanced technology to fake a moon landing but NASA didnt have enough tech to actually do it.

Dog we took him To NASA (houston) on tour.. mission control, the flag whole shit and he still is like nah... never made it there.

On one hand I think he is an idiot but on the other hand I know that there is so much BS we have been told in the past that would make it hard for ppl to trust most sources.

But niggas we was at NASA.. c'mon

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67. "as a fed, I WILL say....it's amazing to ME that any federal agency is"
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organized enough to:
a: actually plan and GET to the moon AND come back home..
b: actually coordinate and keep secrete a conspiracy of the magnitude that'd be required to successfully FAKE a trip to the moon.....

so yeah, I'm mad conflicted...and both sides have their merits I guess... but I'm an optimistic person, so I roll with the notion that we DID get to the moon and come back and we're pretty damn awesome for it... lol...

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70. "a > b"
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i believe they could pull off a. there were several missteps and mistakes b4 they got it right.

but b? no way. no way that secret stays hidden for this long w/the number of ppl who'd have to be involved in maintaining the conspiracy.

fuck you.

  

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72. "The customs documents were part of the elaborate ruse"
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Not just another example of bureaucratic ineptitude.

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77. "But our government has done so much amazing shit though"
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I say that as unsarcastically as possible.

1. The internet
2. the tech in our phones.
3. hadron collider
4. Eradicating Polio and Malaria in the US>

I mean look at the improvement of our standard of living over the last 100 years.

What a time to be alive.


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89. "RE: But our government has done so much amazing shit though"
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Lets also not forget we built (and dropped) a civilization ending weapon almost 30 yrs BEFORE we landed on the moon

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105. "we landed on the moon SIX times"
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both sides do not have merits.

stop enabling idiocy.

  

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156. "RE: we landed on the moon SIX times"
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and nobody else ever landed once

hmmm......

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75. "The moon landing folks aren't nearly as weird tho"
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the flag waving, shadows, etc, they have reason to disbelieve. Now I'm not with them but at least the conspiracy is fathomable. I think mythbusters even did an episode where they recreated the video using 1960's technology and said it was possible to be faked but that it still wasn't fake..

Earth flat tho? GTFOH

  

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80. "Right. The belief that the moon landing was fake is just a small"
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part of the flat earth conspiracy. To really believe that the earth is flat, and to ask all the critical questions on how this could be covered up, millions and millions of people in nations all over the world in the past and present would have to be actively working together to keep the conspiracy going. Most of those millions and millions of people wouldn't even be in the government. The entire airline industry, the entire naval industry, all of the non-government companies who have satellites in space, all of the scientists and educators who would need to be in on it, it goes on and on.

  

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100. "I thought he was doing a mock barbershop/hood philosopher "
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103. "He's had ample time to say he was just playing. "
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112. "nope. Occam's razor. he's dumb."
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114. "why is a flat earth so unblievable tho...?"
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(i wasnt here for the BoB poast and i dont usually poast in GD or about flat earth, so hear me out).

...yet a 'pale blue dot' spinning at unfathomable speeds in the dark neverending expanse of space, supposedly rotating around the sun, within a solar system thats also spinning and rotating at even more headscratching speeds, all of which is hurtling thru space in our galaxy at even MORE headscratching speeds, etc. IS believable?? lol. y'all swallow up big bang theory as our origin story and don't give it an ounce of side-eye? but flat earth deserves nothing but snark and derision? how is that snap-judgement reaction NOT pure programming?

how come we're so quick to believe the shit we can't even measure or independently verify? too many ppl believe globe earth on FAITH alone, coupled with nasa's unending stream of CGI. it's more of a religion than science. an easy way to start the house of cards falling? find a powerful zoom digi cam, zoom into the night sky and take a close look at a star. tell me what u see.

i think the flat earth argument/movement needs to be treated with an open mind and not utter contempt and disdain. simply speaking those two words back to back, "flat" and "earth", reveals more about the mindset of the person fervently arguing against it than anything else. some of y'all are completely married to our modern models of cosmology and have no room for questioning ANY of it. what exactly is the big deal in entertaining the possibilities? especially when the evidence out there, provided by genuine flat earth researchers, is so compelling? ESPECIALLY when flat earth cosmology elevates human beings as spiritual entities and not strictly earth-bound physical creatures?

i'm a fairly moderate individual when it comes to everything, but i like to go where the information makes sense. and there is quite a LOT of info out there about flat earth which seems logical. there are historical precedents for it. ancient cultures believed it. non-curvature can be verified via simple experiments and your own eyeballs (from any height). the problem is, like any movement that might be scratching at the truth, it got infiltrated and now there are many groups claiming to be 'flat earthers' who spread disinfo and make the moderate logical types targets for hate by making extra-ridiculous claims, by design (the flat disc constantly moving up to account for gravity, for example, is part of the disinfo campaign. most genuine advocates of flat earth believe it's pure density that causes a thing to either rise or fall, no magical gravity that somehow holds the water to the surface of the planet while it's spinning at fucking insane speeds).

the big question most ppl seem to be asking (in this post anyways), is: how? cos it's such a big thing to cover up, it couldn't POSSIBLY be true. when the fuck did that become a valid argument? have not the govts of the world, and the interests controlling them, throughout timeless history, shown they can feed the people any ol shit they want? and the masses will follow? cos we LOVE being sheep? not to mention that any one person, or group, in a position of power that wants to dupe the majority but keep the secrets to a small few, will compartmentalise the information. even within the groups that dominate this world, bullshit is reinforced among the lower levels and the truth is kept to higher levels of the structure/strictly for the adepts.

in order to approach this topic with ANY kind of logic, you need to be open to the possibility of power elites controlling the narrative of this world. it starts with one big lie, saying the earth is an insignificant orb in the nothingness of space. which is meant to already put u in the headspace that we are absolutely not special in the universe. that we revolve around the heavenly bodies, not them around us. that the scientism establishment believes we originated from a big bang, when nothing burst into life and became something. that we were nothing but fragments of space debris. we're dirt. coupled with darwinian evolution saying we transmogrified from ape to human, thereby downplaying whatever spiritual significance human beings possess. u start with one huge piece of bullshit then u can justify all the other pieces of bullshit, in order to oppress and suppress and control.

i guess the main tipping point for me was the permeation of the globe model in all forms of modern media. company and corporate logos, in particular, reinforce the globe model at every opportunity. then u see the flat earth map showing up on shit like the U.N. logo. u watch films/tv shows/read books dealing with concepts startlingly similar to the flat earth model (as in, we're a walled-in society, whether u interpret it via The Truman Show or the ice wall in Game Of Thrones, it's a recurring motif). u got that now-infamous interview with Admiral Byrd regarding his many trips to the antarctic and how he believes there's vast continents and land beyond the ice (sentiments that were expressed before and after his expeditions). the absolute mystery that is antarctica and how pretty much all the nations of the world signed a treaty agreeing not to exploit the land for natural resources? when in the fuck in history has that ever happened? why are there military installations based on the continent? they're pretty obvious questions that yield fairly obvious answers.

when an entity controls all govts, all corporations, all major science establishments, the major religions, all secret orders, and in the modern world, has the crazy-ass technology to spell-cast their version of reality into being? why the fuck would a flat earth cosmology cover-up be so out of the realm of possibility? because we supposedly walked on the moon? cos we sent probes to the far off anus' of space? lol man, nasa is a whole other kettle of fish laden with lies upon lies upon lies. blind trust in this non-govt organisation is, no sugarcoating, pretty fucking stupid. the reinforcement of the globe model absolutely relies on, like any control structure, the blind unquestioning subservience of the people. i think the world's been awe'd into a certain model of time and space so vast and incalculable and mindbending that genuine inquiry isn't ever on the cards. so when they replay the same damn news story about nasa finding other earth-like planets billions of light years away (as they did again recently), even the slightly skeptical mind will automatically flag it as bullshit.

anyways, this is coming from a regular dude. i have no investment in one cosmology or the other, i just like scratching the surface til i get to the nxt layer of bullshit mixed with truth (that's how the masters do), and then keep scratching some more until enough bullshit gets whittled away (that whole 'proving what ISN'T true in order to prove what is' method of deduction). i think most ppl today just stopped scratching. they're happy to be told how the world around them works and happy to swallow the info whole as 100% truth. getting to some semblance of truth requires exposing yourself to the side of an argument you were so sure was wrong. as a former atheist and formerly-ardent believer/lover of modern space/time cosmology, it was as simple as watchin a youtube vid to spark that interest. i then began trusting my eyes: really noticing the vast never-ending horizons (standing on the shores of a beach for eg), the absolute stillness/non-movement of the plane (not planet), seeing no discernible curve even when observing things through an airplane window, seeing that the moon and sun are actually comparable in size and shape and are not millions of miles away, to name just a few.

i know that's a lot of words i just spewed forth but i been on this journey for about 5yrs now & i got opinions n shit. i dont think ive ever posted my take on this online before either, mostly cos of the way ppl will automatically label u in their head for now and all-time. but i had the day off work so here i am lol.

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116. "tell me what you see when you take a close look at a star. "
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119. "RE: tell me what you see when you take a close look at a star. "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldcbqvxo1RI&t=252s.

i did this myself once last yr with my shitty galaxy s6 and was still able to discern a fuzzy, modulating orb. nothing in the footage looks like a distant sun (also i guess of importance is how can we even zoom in on this shit in the first place?).

just a note, my interest in this is ongoing. i dont mean to come off on a high horse. my whole way of approaching topics like this is to throw myself into it 100% but always be prepared to be wrong at some point. there's always another layer of deception to peel back.

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128. "maybe shitty digital screens and camera lenses plus atmosphere"
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aren't the best way to look at stars.

there are multiple distortions involved. you get those weird images because your phone might detect the light but the resolution for a star is much smaller than a pixel. nobody has a camera phone that's able to optically resolve even the nearest stars.

and again, the atmosphere distorts everything.

and all the digital stuff is just processor guesswork. it's impossible for that image to be in focus and sometimes the light is spread across other pixels too.

most people can't even get their camera phones to take a decent picture of the moon.

  

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117. "I mean I can't believe I'm replying to this but"
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how would you explain going out and buying a decent telescope and observing the other planets and the moon? Do they just happen to be at the exact angle that a disk shaped object appears to look round? Did someone put a big holograph roof on top of our disk that is faking us all out when we look at the stars? Bumpers on the edge of the world that effortlessly and unfeelingly redirect air traffic to the precise navigation points of destination?

Do you know what a gradient fill is? And how light and shadow look on a sphere versus a disk shaped object??? I can put a ball on a table and shine a light on it and get the same lighting effects that you get when you see planets.

If material forms at the center and expands out, a true sphere is a collection of lines that extend equally in all directions. This is how planets form. Why would one ever form in a plate-like shape, which would be the expansion of material in one particular plane? Why would every other planet and star be round, but the Earth flat?

Dude in Alexandria discovered the Earth was round and correctly concluded its size 2000 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

Also, more than about 3 people can't keep a secret, and even that is pushing it.

  

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125. "preciate the minimal snark."
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>how would you explain going out and buying a decent telescope
>and observing the other planets and the moon? Do they just
>happen to be at the exact angle that a disk shaped object
>appears to look round? Did someone put a big holograph roof on
>top of our disk that is faking us all out when we look at the
>stars? Bumpers on the edge of the world that effortlessly and
>unfeelingly redirect air traffic to the precise navigation
>points of destination?

u kinda just explained that urself. i looked thru a decent telescope and observed Jupiter a couple yrs back on a clear night. saw the striations along the surface, definitely saw a sphere. but it was constantly moving away from my pov. so-called 'planets' today were once called 'wandering stars'. ancients believed them to be 'luminaries', like stars, that moved and rotated around a fixed Earth. points of light in the sky. besides, no one is arguing bodies like Jupiter or Saturn etc AREN'T spherical. they're just saying Earth ain't. as for 'big holographic roof'? that's another big piece of flat earth, but is still contested even within FE circles. but the main literature is of a dome-like structure or 'firmament' (as mentioned in the bible). there's loads of research on it out there.
flights? flight paths are determined and calculated based on the heliocentric model. plenty of stuff out there about that too.

>Do you know what a gradient fill is? And how light and shadow
>look on a sphere versus a disk shaped object??? I can put a
>ball on a table and shine a light on it and get the same
>lighting effects that you get when you see planets.

not my area of expertise so can't comment either way on that one. im sure i can point to a youtube vid or three but i dont wanna just throw links at y'all either.

>If material forms at the center and expands out, a true sphere
>is a collection of lines that extend equally in all
>directions. This is how planets form. Why would one ever form
>in a plate-like shape, which would be the expansion of
>material in one particular plane? Why would every other planet
>and star be round, but the Earth flat?

again, answering ur own question: because there are no 'planets'. if you do away with that concept, then 'planet formation' is incorrect. the layout of earth in the flat earth model is a collection of continents in the center regions, surrounded by the antarctic ice wall which holds in the oceans, and is only one small portion of a conceivably limitless expanse of EARTH, not space. eg. if you were to somehow make it past the antarctic ice, you would find more oceans, more land, more "Earths".
as for stars and the other 'planets', how u approach them changes whether or not u believe they're solid worlds or just funky points of light in the sky. flat earth reaises Earth up to be the center of the universe. ur question comes about when our world gets relegated to one of possibly billions in the never-ending universe.

>Dude in Alexandria discovered the Earth was round and
>correctly concluded its size 2000 years ago:
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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

from Eric Dubay's informative blog:

The Eratosthenes experiment of measuring shadows is assuming the Sun to be millions of miles away with light rays all arriving to Earth at the same angle. They don't. The Sun moves over and around the Earth very close as proven at 3:00 here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcteYfOMgJg) as well as measured by sextants and plane trigonometry, the Sun and Moon are both found to be 32 miles in diameter, 3,000 miles from the surface of the Earth.

“Regiments of figures are paraded with all the learned jargon for which science is famous, but one might as well look at the changing clouds in the sky and seek for certainty there, as to expect to get it from the propounders of modern astronomy. But is there no means of testing these ever-changing never-stable speculations and bringing them to the scrutiny of the hard logic of fact? Indeed there is. The distance of the sun can be measured with much precision, the same way as a tree or a house, or church steeple is measured, by plane triangulation. It is the principle on which a house is built, a table made or a man-of-war constructed … The sun is always somewhere between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, a distance admitted to be less than 3,000 miles; how then can the sun if it be so many thousand miles in diameter, squeeze itself into a space of about 3,000 miles only? But look at the distance, say the professors! We have already done that and not one of the wise men we have so often challenged, has ever attempted to refute the principle on which we measure the sun’s distance … If the navigator neglects to apply the sun’s semi-diameter to his observation at sea, he is 16 nautical miles out in calculating the position his ship is in. A minute of arc on the sextant represents a nautical mile, and if the semi-diameter be 16 miles, the diameter is of course 32 miles. And as measured by the sextant, the sun’s diameter is 32 minutes of arc, that is 32 nautical miles in diameter. Let him disprove this who can. If ever disproof is attempted, it will be a literary curiosity, well worth framing.” -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (114-120).

>Also, more than about 3 people can't keep a secret, and even
>that is pushing it.

there's ways of keeping large secrets. thru either ignorance or intimidation. i think look at celeb cases as a good example, not just about celebs speaking out about flat earth, but speaking out about anything really. the automaton-filled music industry in particular.

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118. "https://media.giphy.com/media/TdmTcdoN3egaQ/giphy.gif"
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121. "lol. good use of Willard. but i have no horse in this race."
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just providing the counter-arguments. ur snark up and down this post & ur feelings getting hurt, tho? kinda telling.

i'd say start with Eric Dubay's work if u wanted to read a balanced refute of the modern cosmology >>> http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2014/11/the-globe-earth-lie.html. dude's put a lot of info out there but this link is a relatively short blog post if u ever get curious.

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122. "https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oz8xKTpzyMo9bAdP2/giphy.gif"
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127. "ur 2 for 2 with gifs."
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but do u wanna take the whopping 10mins it might take u to read that blog link i just posted?

.....ur just guna reply with another gif aren't u lol.

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131. "https://media0.giphy.com/media/YBJ7G6SmYZAZi/giphy.gif"
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120. "There are several tests you can do on your own to proof the earth"
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is not flat.

The first few of these are simple enough that you can check for yourself:

http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

The earth's shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse is round - you can see that yourself with a telescope during a lunar eclipse.

If you go to a beach and watch for ships appearing, they emerge from the horizon bottom up instead of just appearing when within eye range:

http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/antwalkingonanorange2-300x110.png?itok=D6QoRJtp

You can observe completely different star constellations as you move away from the equator, because of the earth's curvature.

If the sun was a “spotlight” (very directionally located so that light only shines on a specific location) and the world was flat, we would have seen the sun even if it didn’t shine on top of us (as you can see in the drawing below). The same way you can see the light coming out of a spotlight on a stage in the theater, even though you – the crowd – are in the dark. The only way to create two distinctly separate timezones, where there is complete darkness in one while there’s light in the other, is if the world is spherical.

http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/timezones22.jpg?itok=C0wviuDz


  

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126. "just re: the 'ships appearing over the horizon' thing for now"
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>If you go to a beach and watch for ships appearing, they
>emerge from the horizon bottom up instead of just appearing
>when within eye range:
>
>http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/antwalkingonanorange2-300x110.png?itok=D6QoRJtp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqnKmoZEuUw.

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129. "so that's obviously not true. it's a made up law of perspective."
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the only time things like feet vanish at a distance is when you're dealing with curves or uneven ground.

a hallway is a great example.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/83/255940388_acef94a9f5.jpg

the carpet doesn't disappear.

and if that's the way perspective worked, it wouldn't matter if you had a horizon line or not. things would be magically disappearing from any straight line-of-sight.

  

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134. "Okay gotcha. Followup on your initial post - you mentioned that you "
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feel like there are groups claiming to be flat earthers who spread rediculous claims as disinfo to make the movement look bad, specifically mentioning the belief of gravity being the flat disc constantly accelerating upward. Is the Flat Earth Society itself one of those groups? Because that info on gravity is in their FAQ. I don't know if that's a belief that they all have, but it's definitely in their FAQ as part of their base beliefs.

  

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135. "Lol, give this dude an F in middle school geometry."
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So I guess I only see the top half of airplanes because they're so far away.

  

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130. "gah damn. MEAT, I salute you bruh"
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you better than me. I'm at the point where I believe it's just best if you tell these folks you're stupid and fucking idiot, and NEVER engage with them again.

it's a waste of energy.

and both of these dumb asses said "i have no dog in this race" this is the level of idiocy we are dealing with at this moment

  

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132. "I think that's a cop out for people who may not be dumb, but aren't smar..."
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I don't think they think critically. It doesn't even seem to be a belief system to them. Just a self flagellation via question asking. "Iasked a question nobody else did. Therefore I'm smarter than other people." It's part of the whole, not everyone is smart studied in school, trope people use. And I completely reject that. You don't have to be credentialed to be educated. You don't have to be degreed to be knowledgeable.

But the public education system does provide you with a baseline of information, college teaches you to expand your thinking process, grad school says to wade into the conceptual field of study, and doctorate programs ask you to find what else is out there and where can this field of study go. All building blocks to develop thinking more.

But there's a subset of people that for various reasons reject academics, reject academia, and they're susceptible to certain bullshit that many others are not. They'll say you're wrong to reject their questions rather than spend anytime trying to figure out why the questions they're asking are the wrong questions.

I responded to Atillah giving him specific answers to why what he was asking for wasn't physically possible and then he took it to aliens ... oh?
The next dude gave a weed diatribe and wants to snark about what nobody will have a tick or a tock over something he hasn't even thought guy through himself and yet somehow claims to be a real smart person who digs all the way in. I'm sure he believes that, but for me GIF fiesta.

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157. "there's unexplained phenomena often occurring around the planet"
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And there may even be other things visible on the earths surface from space besides the Great Wall

To suggest that the earth is filmed how it is from space to obscure the more inexplicable activity that also gets captured on film is not far fetched. It's what any agency would do.

You can call it aliens if you like.

  

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158. "But it really is far fetched that's the problem. "
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And it's not because of mystery voodoo, it's limitations of science.
There's wifi signals and radio waves floating around your head right now. What camera would you use to film those? How would you capture that image?
Not everything that exists can be visualized.
That's a component of your grand mystery right there.

The objects that you say are obscured in orbit are also most likely just moving too to be seen. You can't see people from airplanes. Why? Because within scale they're significantly smaller than the image you're seeing. So if you take something significantly smaller than you with a big drop of something significantly larger than you, you don't capture it.

How often do you catch flies in your still pictures or bees? The camera isn't obscuring these things from you. The limitations of technology are there.

Other structures as large as the Great Wall built over 11 centuries? That can be answered with asking on what scale and time period humans have even been around. Weather patterns, oceans, erosion, tree coverage, lack of suitable lights... all rational reasons that even if these things somehow miraculously existed that you wouldn't be able to see them from a camera three hundred miles in the sky taking moving video.

These aren't mysteries. These aren't conspiracies.
It's
Basic
Fucking
Science
And
Logic

To pretend otherwise starts off in a world that doesn't exist and then builds upon fallacies to streeeereetch an argument.

And that's my last reply to this directly to you man. You're not an honest actor.

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159. "I don't know what your reading vs what I'm typing "
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we moved on from space debris and satellites a while ago and I specifically said "unexplained" phenomena possibly being a reason why they zoom in so close so as not to capture all of it.

At least that's what I though at first, but yeah the station is too close to zoom out far enough.

Either way it turns out the ISS does capture unexplained phenomena just fine from the distance it's at.

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7954218.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/A-supposed-object-is-caught-on-the-ISS-live-feed-leaving-the-earth.jpg

See and I got to all that by reading your replies and not projecting a whole lot of emotion or other weird feelings into it.

It's not that serious MEAT. Calm down.

  

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161. "RE: I don't know what your reading vs what I'm typing "
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You're claiming phenomenon now when I responded to your statement about the Great Wall.
And this isn't the first pivot.

You asked for live feed and I gave you a YouTube link, your contention was that it was actively doctored.
Someone asked how they'd be able to do this in real time, which is how you brought up debris in the first place.
You contention was then not about debris but you pivoted to posit they're obscuring earth and space.
When pressed for how, you pivoted to talk about intelligent life.
Then you back tracked to ask why isn't the earth in one shot, which was in response to your live feed query.
But earth in one shot would not capture debris, nor show curvature, which was your first position.
Then you got back into talking unexplained space phenomena. And conflated unexplained via conspiracy with understudied due to limitations. Which is how we're back to where we are.
But somehow unexplained phenomena in space has come around you sharing a picture of something on earth.


This is not an issue of me being calm or not.

My emotions are perfectly in check. But I am offended at the intellectual laziness you're presenting. As a human it offends me.
You personally do not offend me, you're just the most recent iteration of this; these pseudo arguments aren't based on actual study, but off the hard work of others ... that offends me.

The hundreds of thousands of work hours that went into getting man or objects into space, for people to say ... well that's doctored, without acknowledging the work that allowed them to even be in a position to question, that offends me.

That we're having versions of arguments that could be had pre-Aesop, that offends me.


That I'm going to waste the years that I have on this earth surrounded by people that have no interest in fully appreciating the sacrifices of their ancestors nor will they make things better for those that come after ... that offends me.
So I'm calm. If anything I'm resigned.

But deflecting to my perceived emotions won't keep you from being inconsistent and wrong.

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162. "I'm not pivoting -- it's all connected to one suggestion "
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and I've been saying much of that the whole time.

I WAS saying MAYBE they show such a zoomed in fixed view of the earth from the live feed because they don't want to risk capturing inexplicable phenomena on film. Also MAYBE there are areas of the earth that are anomalous to such an extent that they can be seen from space? So anomalous that they're best not given attention. It may be far fetched to you that's fine.

The debris and satellite explanations were good enough I didn't argue them and even though the space station is too close to capture the entire earth on video or film I was saying that it seemed like they COULD place a structure or device farther away from the earth to capture it rotating in its entirety. A distance equal to what the astronauts were at when we're told they captured it in such a fashion. The reason simply being to silence critics or at least so it would be painfully obvious such folks were off. Just saying they I think COULD do it not that they SHOULD do it.

As it turns out it doesn't really matter how close or far away the camera is as it captures unexplained phenomena regardless or maybe it captures it even better because it's closer? Either way I was mistaken. The capturing of unexplained phenomena plays little if any role in the camera's placement.

Shouldn't take all this typing to make that clear. Not speaking on it further.

  

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163. "RE: I'm not pivoting -- it's all connected to one suggestion "
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>I WAS saying MAYBE they show such a zoomed in fixed view of
>the earth from the live feed because they don't want to risk
>capturing inexplicable phenomena on film.

This suggestion is mind numbinly DUMB. The scientific method relies on observing items that may be currently unexplained or previously unobserved to calibrate and further explain the known. The fact that this is the core of your contention is mind numblingly DUMB.

Good science wouldn't waste time and resources hiding an unexplained phenomena, it would study it. It would NEED to study it. Unexplained items could be mechanical failures, could be extra data, could be rapidly changing conditions, it could be a myriad of things.

Good science doesn't have inexplicable items, it has unexplained observations.

Good science has hypotheses and doesn't try to prove a negative.


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164. "huh? there's plenty that good science ignores or sometime warps "
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you don't think there's any truth to the notion that some truths have the potential to do things like disrupt or undo the power of things like organized religion, government, capitalism,consumerism, etc?

There's not possibly any kind of truth out there on earth in space or both that could threaten the aforementioned by causing a major change in human perception or understanding?

For someone trying to accuse me of just wanting to be right you sure seem to not be able to drop this with a sense of civility or understanding. Not to mention there's never been any disagreement on my end with what you've stated. So why for all the feels?

  

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166. "So now that you see I'm not pivoting you resort to just name calling ?"
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Is that really what you wanted to say in the first place? My suggestion was dumb? lol okay MEAT you're right it's incredibly dumb of me to think the scientific community would or could ever be influenced to ignore, downplay, or cover up any unexplained phenomena for any reason. The community is beyond reproach and I have sinned against it in my ignorance and folly. I will calculate 1200 covalent fractions in penance.

  

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167. "RE: So now that you see I'm not pivoting you resort to just name calling..."
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Lots to unpack here.
1. For starters though, I didn't call you any names.

2. WRT to universal truths and dismantling of cohesive thoughts, I legitimately have no idea how you got to that conversation and I do not wish to entertain you in those endeavors. That would mean taking a conversation rooted in science and observation and without any real transition, break down history, religion, government, philosophy, and sociology.

3. My contention was and continues to be the same. How you personally are choosing to apply the work of others, shows a lack of understanding on how that work was developed, develops, and continues to improve. The scientific community can not survive and hasn't continued to exist by covering up things they don't understand. That's simply not how science works.

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169. "If u r saying the community doesn't ignore, cover up, or lie u r wrong"
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There's plenty of false or ignored scientific research and discovery OR it's researched and the data isn't highly publicized

  

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133. "Im neither smart enough nor dumb enough for this post"
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I must applaud yall (c) Camron

  

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137. "Some people in here should never make fun of Trump supporters ever again..."
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They aren't too far removed from them.

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138. "this post is terrifying to me."
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we all live, to some degree, in a bubble of similar thought. it's just inevitable that we surround ourselves with like-minded people.

so i never imagined that any significant number of wildly mis-informed people existed (i would've literally said maybe 10-15% of the population would believe "fake news" or flat earth shit, etc.)

but the last few months have really opened my eyes.

the most terrifying thing to me, though, is the *certainty* with which these people spout their bullshit. the indignation and cockiness they display when saying the fucking earth is flat. it's chilling. it's never a cautious "let's be open to alternative views" mentality. they're dug ALL the way in.

now multiply that mindset times 60+ million and you arrive at where we are today.

and i just don't see a happy ending here. there is simply no convincing them. you show them a FUCKING VIDEO of the goddamn round ass mother fucking earth and they say it's fake.

i mean, how do you combat that?

so, i say write those people off. don't even waste energy on them.

the war will be won in the middle. there is a persuadable group of semi-rational people in the center who can be swayed towards sanity. we HAVE to focus everything we have at them.

  

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141. "I was only two months off. "
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13052201&mesg_id=13052201&listing_type=search

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155. "i agree."
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fuck you.

  

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139. "And. ya'll mad at me for believing in God. LOL Flat Earth.. LOL"
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Wake up, Pray! Go to work, Pray! Go home, Pray! Love, Pray! Eat, Pray! Live, Pray!

  

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142. "To be fair, the "healing power of prayer" is just as dumb,"
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and the sentiment is far more dangerous.

  

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143. "https://media.giphy.com/media/13zujvPkBCXhKM/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/13zujvPkBCXhKM/giphy.gif

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147. "the sky genie and his zombie clone are pretty silly also nm"
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144. "Why is this thread so long... lmao "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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145. "If I'm in being funky, I was arguing by proxy. "
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I can't stand two people I work under right now, mainly because they don't think, and I currently don't have an outlet to break down their illogic.

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150. "Nah.. you good fam"
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But those other but why niggas are scaring me.

I like a good conspiracy but cmon...

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148. "i do that here alot. i'll see a post time & the number of replies"
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and wonder why. usually it's a few people going back & forth


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152. "with this thinking here, Trump got a LOT of black votes"
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153. "The system is the same no matter who's running it!"
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With ----- we have a chance to break the Clinton machine!

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154. "yup..thats was/is 'part' of their rational aka flat earth shit"
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>With ----- we have a chance to break the Clinton machine!

  

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160. "So for the record organized whiteness in labcoats we can trust?"
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and not in robes?

jk jk jk jk jk jk









  

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168. "at least, Bill Nye"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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170. "haha go explain organized whiteness to an astronaut"
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preferably in person

  

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165. "this whole thread makes my soul hurt. "
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171. "He dumb"
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And y'all dumb for giving him the benefit of the doubt.

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2017/10/31/5-things-we-learned-about-kyrie-irving-from-his-conversation-with-geno-auriemma

Flat Earth: Though he recently revealed that his flat Earth theories were simply a way to troll the media, it appears that Irving isn’t entirely convinced that the Earth is round. He explained the reasoning behind his thoughts to Auriemma:

“The whole intent behind it, Coach, it wasn’t to bash science,” he said. “It wasn’t to like have the intent of starting a rage and be seen as this insane individual. When I started seeing comments and things about universal truths that I had known, like I had questions.”

“When I started actually doing research on my own and figuring out that there is no real picture of Earth, not one real picture of Earth — and we haven’t been back to the moon since 1961 or 1969 — it becomes like conspiracy, too.”

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172. "It's why he is in Boston.. he thinks he is smart"
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but he's not.

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173. "i was just trolling, but #actually"
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hate that shit


  

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174. "y'all come talk your shit at the Flat Earth Confrence 2017"
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http://fe2017.com/

registration link, nigga

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175. "Open bar?"
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178. "VERY unlikely"
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The3rdOne
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Wed Nov-01-17 03:31 PM

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176. "motherfuckers can tell you anything and EVERYTHING about NASA"
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but can't tell you shit about ROSCOSMINOS and the CNSA and about how they supposedly spent trillions of dollars throughout the years to act like they conspired with and didn't feud with NASA..

the shit don't take science to me...just common sense and a lack of a money trail.

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flipnile
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Wed Nov-01-17 03:36 PM

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177. "Kyrie is 25 looking like he's 43"
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