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"Texas policy forces transgender teen boy to wrestle against female athle..."


  

          

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On Friday, Mack Beggs, an undefeated high school wrestler from Texas, will compete at the girl’s state tournament in suburban Houston.

But unlike the rest of the teen’s female competitors, Beggs, 17, is a boy.

For more than a year, the teen, who was born a girl, has been transitioning from female to male with the help of testosterone therapy.

Beggs’ participation — and dominance — in the girls’ league has spurred consternation among some in the Dallas region, including a lawsuit filed by an unhappy parent, who argued that if Beggs identifies as a boy he should have to wrestle other boys.

And Beggs would, his family told the Dallas Morning News, if he could, but the rules won’t allow it.

That’s because last year, some 95 percent of Texas superintendents voted in favor of an amendment to the constitution of the University Interscholastic League, the state’s governing body for public school athletics, that requires student athletes to compete as the gender listed on their birth certificates, the Dallas Morning News reported at the time.

When the referendum ballot was approved (586-32, with 2 non-responses), critics called it a “horrible policy” that would discriminate against transgender athletes who were unable to afford the complicated maneuvering that goes into legally changing one’s birth certificate through the state.

Now, as word of Beggs’ case has gained increased publicity, experts say the policy’s likely intention — to keep transgender female athletes transitioning from male to female from having a hormonal leg up on competitors — is backfiring.

Some of Beggs’ female competitors forfeited their matches in the regional meet, reported the Associated Press, out of apparent fear of injury because the 17-year-old is taking testosterone that could create a physical disadvantage.

That was the main argument laid out in a lawsuit filed in early February against the UIL by Jim Baudhuin, a local attorney and wrestling parent at a competing high school who sought to have Beggs barred from competing against girls at the state tournament and against other boys as long as he is taking testosterone, reported the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

But Texas Education Code and UIL rules allow the use of steroids if “dispensed, prescribed, delivered and administered by a medical practitioner for a valid medical purpose,” reported the AP. Nancy Beggs, the teen’s grandmother and legal guardian, has said the UIL reviewed Mack Beggs’ medical records and approved him for competition prior to the last two seasons.

After two wrestlers forfeited their matches at the regional competition last weekend, Nancy Beggs told the Morning News those actions were about “bias, hatred and ignorance,” and that her grandson and at least one of the other wrestlers “know each other and they are not happy about this.”

Beggs wrestles in the 110-pound class, where his record is 52-0.

It was the parents and coaches, Mack Beggs wrote on social media, that were making waves, not the kids.

“The thing is, we want to wrestle each other. I feel so sick and disgusted by the discrimination not by the kids, the PARENTS AND COACHES,” the teen wrote on Facebook. “These kids don’t care who you put in front of them to wrestle. We just want to WRESTLE. THEY are taking that away from me and from the people I’m competing with.”

Since then, Baudhuin (whose daughter is friends with Beggs, wrestles in a different weight class and disapproved of his lawsuit) has altered his position on the conflict.

He told the AP that he is amending his lawsuit to ask the UIL to make its gender policies mirror that of the NCAA, which allows athletes transitioning from female to male and taking testosterone to compete on men’s teams but not women’s teams.

“Mack is a great kid, hard-working, great kid,” Baudhuin told the AP. “So this is not a personal. This is not a hatred issue. We just don’t think it’s fair that Mack should wrestle, either be allowed or should be required to wrestle against girls.”

Baudhuin will not seek a last-minute injunction before the state tournament, he told the AP, but plans to pursue the altered lawsuit once the wrestling season is over, not just in light of Beggs’ case, but because he sees the potential for others to crop up.

“What if next year it’s a swimmer and the year after that it’s somebody who’s running track or somebody playing basketball or whatever?” he told the AP. “This isn’t the one and only time that there’s going to be a transgender athlete involved.”

According to TransAthlete, an advocacy organization for transgender athletes, Texas is one of seven states that it considers to have “discriminatory” policies for trans student athletes by requiring a birth certificate, hormone therapy documentation or proof of gender-reassignment surgery. Other state policies operate on a case-by-case basis or have no limitations, including Florida and California.

Beggs’ story hit the national stage the same week President Trump decided to roll back Obama-era directives protecting transgender students in public schools, outraging LGBTQ advocates.

Joanna Harper, an adviser to the International Olympic Committee, transgender elite runner and medical physicist in Oregon, told the Star-Telegram that she suspects the UIL’s rule is having the “exact opposite effect of what they had desired.”

“Dealing with transgender adolescent athletes is probably the most difficult time frame to make a ruling. In the NCAA, there would be no question that Mack would be required to compete against men, but that’s not an option for him because of the UIL rule,” Harper told the Star-Telegram. “I think the UIL rule is misguided, shortsighted and I actually find a wonderful irony in it.”

The UIL released a statement to the Star-Telegram about the controversy, described by the newspaper as “generic”:

“To compete at this year’s wrestling state tournament all students are subject to UIL rules and state law. This helps ensure a fair competition to the more than 400 students participating. We will continue to work with member schools to best meet the needs of all students.”

stay classy texas

  

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If they're XY and have a dudes skeleton then they wrestle with dudes
Feb 24th 2017
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He should be able to wrestle against the boys
Feb 24th 2017
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I was like hell nah til I realized the law is stopping him
Feb 24th 2017
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This is silly. He should be disqualified from wrestling anyone because o...
Feb 24th 2017
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yeah, no one should be able to take steroids and compete
Feb 24th 2017
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      If he wants facial hair, deeper voice or other testosterone induced
Feb 26th 2017
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           Nah, there are some things I don't think people should do
Feb 27th 2017
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Minors shouldn't be allowed to ''transition'' period.
Feb 25th 2017
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lmao whaaaaat kinda fuckery is this
Feb 26th 2017
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all minors are transitioning all the time
Feb 26th 2017
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Ur talking about permanent physiology altering decisions made by
Feb 27th 2017
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RE: Minors shouldn't be allowed to ''transition'' period.
Feb 26th 2017
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Might be a tad too far for me.
Feb 26th 2017
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Every time I think I might like boards.okayplayer.com again,
Feb 26th 2017
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then you might want to consider leaving and not returning.
Feb 26th 2017
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Mofos log in just to drop that line every so often.
Feb 27th 2017
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RE: Every time I think I might like boards.okayplayer.com again,
Feb 26th 2017
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Haha..America is gonna collapse on itself.
Feb 26th 2017
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RE: Haha..America is gonna collapse on itself.
Feb 27th 2017
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amend the law.
Feb 27th 2017
18

Atillah Moor
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1. "If they're XY and have a dudes skeleton then they wrestle with dudes "
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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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2. "He should be able to wrestle against the boys"
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She has an unfair advantage over her competition right now
The playing field will be more even against boys (and that's what he wants)


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legsdiamond
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3. "I was like hell nah til I realized the law is stopping him "
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He is taking steroids tho... not sure you should be able to compete at all since you have an advantage. I could see if it was basketball or soccer but wrestling is a little different.


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4. "This is silly. He should be disqualified from wrestling anyone because o..."
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his taking testosterones.


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legsdiamond
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5. "yeah, no one should be able to take steroids and compete"
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either wait to transition or pick a different sport.

seems like some people want it all and I don't think that's possible.

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Sarah_Bellum
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10. "If he wants facial hair, deeper voice or other testosterone induced "
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features he has to remain on testosterone for the rest of his life. As soon as he stops his physical features will feminize.
There are lots of medically necessary drugs that can give athletes an advantage or even be considered PEDs but if it's deemed medically nessesary they still get to take them and compete.

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legsdiamond
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20. "Nah, there are some things I don't think people should do"
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Like the guy who transitioned to a woman and now she fights in UFC. That's just weird.

I can understand soccer, basketball or even football but boxing, wrestling... sports where you are fighting should be off limits.

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Jon
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6. "Minors shouldn't be allowed to ''transition'' period. "
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9. "lmao whaaaaat kinda fuckery is this"
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rob
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11. "all minors are transitioning all the time"
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god forbid some of them have agency in it.

  

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Jon
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17. "Ur talking about permanent physiology altering decisions made by"
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kids who are still in the process of attaining a grasp on reality, and teenagers are probably the least stable, least wise, age group

But ok are you debating the gradients or are you against my statement outright? Are you saying a 6 year old boy should be able to get a sex change if he tells his parents he's really a girl?

  

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12. "RE: Minors shouldn't be allowed to ''transition'' period. "
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I agree the medical risks are still unknown

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/when-transgender-kids-transition-medical-risks-are-both-known-and-unknown/

And if he competes it should be with boys.

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14. "Might be a tad too far for me."
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But if one of my kids came to us asking to take hormones or having surgeries...our first answer will be 'wait til your 18'. On the other hand....I don't want my kid to be a suicide risk or suffer depression. It's difficult to be a hardliner either way. But again...the first answer is 'wait til your 18'. And then, of course, a lot of talking, possibly therapy.

  

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7. "Every time I think I might like boards.okayplayer.com again,"
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a thread like this comes along and ruins it.

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8. "then you might want to consider leaving and not returning."
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19. "Mofos log in just to drop that line every so often. "
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This is far from a perfect place.

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13. "RE: Every time I think I might like boards.okayplayer.com again,"
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People have different opinions, that's the way of the world

As long as we can be respectful it shouldn't be a problem.

That sort of condescending behavior helped get Trump elected,

It's better to engage, make your point.

dude

  

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15. "Haha..America is gonna collapse on itself."
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A lot of that psuedo-progessive shit
is logistically regressive and
it takes fuck-scenarios like this
for people to realize it.



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16. "RE: Haha..America is gonna collapse on itself."
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>A lot of that psuedo-progessive shit
>is logistically regressive and
>it takes fuck-scenarios like this
>for people to realize it.
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18. "amend the law."
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Simple solution.

fuck you.

  

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