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Firecracker
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"Is there a reckless dem who could do *45 the way he did Obama?"


  

          



This idiot started all this shit with the birth certificate bs and all that, Obama was smooth AF with it but was still called out by Agent Orange who actually managed to gain a massive political momentum on this bs

WHY isn't there a reckless, charismatic democrat who can call 45 out on all his consecutive mishandling of affairs, the tax release and whatnot?

I'm not from the US so feel free to explain to me like I'm 5


  

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That's Bernie Sanders
Feb 18th 2017
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No
Feb 18th 2017
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Harry Reid tried to get someone to slander Mitt Romney about his tax ret...
Feb 18th 2017
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RE: Is there a reckless dem who could do *45 the way he did Obama?
Feb 18th 2017
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No
Feb 18th 2017
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Ego, selfishness, pride, delusions of grandeur, personal agendas.
Feb 19th 2017
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That's the main knock on Dems...
Feb 18th 2017
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RE: That's the main knock on Dems...
Feb 18th 2017
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the main knock on dems is they can't run behind il douche and racism?
Feb 18th 2017
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      Cmon man... don't play dumb
Feb 19th 2017
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don't have the answers but I know the whole "We need to do what they do"...
Feb 19th 2017
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I'm just curious if the left has a T-Rump
Feb 19th 2017
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could've been Anthony Weiner
Feb 20th 2017
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Agreed.
Feb 19th 2017
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dems don't have the same support base
Feb 19th 2017
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Liberal voters: «Fight Trump or be replaced»
Feb 19th 2017
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me, if they ever put a mic and camera on me
Feb 20th 2017
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Won't work for white dudes. He has to be on film killing an animal
Feb 21st 2017
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it would only feed into his "Fake News" agenda.....
Feb 21st 2017
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every action has a reaction. this is not the way.
Feb 21st 2017
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There are lots of dems calling him on his bs
Feb 21st 2017
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Y2Flound
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1. "That's Bernie Sanders"
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He won't run again in 2020

  

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Lurkmode
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Sat Feb-18-17 08:13 PM

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2. "No"
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>This idiot started all this shit with the birth certificate bs
>and all that, Obama was smooth AF with it but was still called
>out by Agent Orange who actually managed to gain a massive
>political momentum on this bs
>
>WHY isn't there a reckless, charismatic democrat who can call
>45 out on all his consecutive mishandling of affairs, the tax
>release and whatnot?
>I'm not from the US so feel free to explain to me like I'm 5
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>

it takes a racist democrat not a reckless charismatic democrat.

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Frobert
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Sat Feb-18-17 08:41 PM

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3. "Harry Reid tried to get someone to slander Mitt Romney about his tax ret..."
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Sat Feb-18-17 08:44 PM by Frobert

  

          

Nobody would do it though and he ended up having to do it himself.
Maybe Trump being in office will change things, but I think the
Dems are still too cautious to be willing to go there.

  

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4. "RE: Is there a reckless dem who could do *45 the way he did Obama?"
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The left's base couldn't really sustain the echo chamber needed...

I mean Agent Orange said IN FRONT of his fans he could shoot someone and they would still ride with him... and. they. cheered.

You can really "birther-gate" that at all.

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5. "No"
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Dems in this country - almost by definition - are not authoritarian. (You ever notice the knock against them is they never band together and there are too many factions?)

The sad fact is this country has 33% people who will ALWAYS, ALWAYS fall for Trump's bullshit. They did it with the moron Bush Jr.

All it takes to win during an election year is they have to fool 16% to $17% of voters.

The last TWO of the three times since 2000 they haven't done it - but with help (voter suppression, help from foreign nations, help from the nearly completely fact free conservative press) they were able to win via the electoral college - and not with the popular vote.

The real solution is increase people's IQs - something the Republicans have been actively trying to prevent for 40 years with school budget bullshit, textbook bullshit, and a war on "the elites."

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9. "Ego, selfishness, pride, delusions of grandeur, personal agendas. "
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>Dems in this country - almost by definition - are not
>authoritarian. (You ever notice the knock against them is they
>never band together and there are too many factions?)
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It figures.

>The real solution is increase people's IQs - something the
>Republicans have been actively trying to prevent for 40 years
>with school budget bullshit, textbook bullshit, and a war on
>"the elites."

LOL. The Democrats controlled the education system for those very same 40 years. What happened?

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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legsdiamond
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6. "That's the main knock on Dems... "
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No one has the stones.

Keith Olberman or Bill Maher will tell a few jokes but no one will go all in because they don't want to fuck up their brand.

I'm talking about shit talking and then running for Prez.

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7. "RE: That's the main knock on Dems... "
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>No one has the stones.
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>Keith Olberman or Bill Maher will tell a few jokes but no one
>will go all in because they don't want to fuck up their brand.
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>I'm talking about shit talking and then running for Prez.

Maher could pass for a Republican the way he was helping Milo spread his bull.

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8. "the main knock on dems is they can't run behind il douche and racism?"
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12. "Cmon man... don't play dumb"
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Remember how Elizabeth warren went all Pocohontus Pit Bull for Hillary? Imagine that being her stick for the next 2 years and then running for president.

Remember John Kerry getting up at the DNC in 2008 and roasting the fuck out of the GOP and everyone screaming "where was that John Kerry when he was running for President?"

I think that's what the OP is asking. I don't think he is asking for an exact replica of Trump with a D next to his name spouting racist shit. More like someone who will call Trump voters deplorable and never apologize for it. Make that shit stick and double down when interviewed about how divisive it is.

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10. "don't have the answers but I know the whole "We need to do what they do"..."
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...thing that keeps coming up, isn't it. How left needs a Trump or their own fox news propaganda machine or their own Tea party. None of this shit is going to work

  

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11. "I'm just curious if the left has a T-Rump"
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Sun Feb-19-17 06:30 AM by Firecracker

  

          

type character who could gain traction and media attention by harping over all the scandalous shit thats goin on with 45

Not necessarily to run for pres, just to fuck things up a bit and be the official voice of frustration


Bernie is too cool for that



  

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17. "could've been Anthony Weiner"
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but..


>Not necessarily to run for pres, just to fuck things up a bit
>and be the official voice of frustration

  

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14. "Agreed."
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Only dummies want that.

fuck you.

  

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13. "dems don't have the same support base"
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There is a base that will always support 45, may even feel emboldened by him. I don't think dems could have something similar.

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15. "Liberal voters: «Fight Trump or be replaced»"
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/19/democrats-resistance-donald-trump-we-will-replace-you

Activists are pressuring lawmakers to ‘fight Trump or we’ll find someone who will’, but they must also worry about those facing elections in states Trump won

On the evening Donald Trump announced his supreme court nominee, thousands of protesters gathered outside of Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer’s Brooklyn apartment. They chanted “Just vote no” and “Obstruct” while carrying signs – “Get a spine, Chuck” – and a prop skeleton to illustrate their point.

The protesters are part of a sudden swell of liberal activism that has drawn millions to city streets and airport concourses across the US, in a startling show of resistance to Trump’s presidency. Emboldened by this groundswell, some progressives have started using the word “primary” as a verb – and as a threat.

For Democrats in Washington, many of whom are still surprised by the scale and furiousness of backlash, the challenge is how to convert this energy into electoral success.

Schumer has significantly slowed the pace of Trump’s cabinet confirmations and excoriated many of the president’s nominees. But the activists outside Schumer’s home on that January night were unimpressed by his votes in favor of Trump’s nominees to represent the US in the UN and to lead the Pentagon, CIA and Department of Homeland Security.

“Our message to Democrats is simple: fight Trump or we’ll find someone who will,” said Waleed Shahid, a co-founder of the progressive group All of Us and a former organizer with the Bernie Sanders campaign. This week, the group launched the political action committee We Will Replace You, the latest in a series of projects to warn Democrats that failures to oppose Trump’s agenda will have consequences.

Our message to Democrats is simple: fight Trump or we’ll find someone who will
Waleed Shahid
The group argues that Democrats need exercise the little political power they still have. The activists have a long list of demands: votes against “all Trump appointees”, opposing his supreme court nominee, using congressional procedures to “bring all business to a crawl to block Trump’s agenda and demand Steve Bannon be fired”. Elected officials, they say, should “publicly support impeachment if Trump is found to have broken the law or violated the constitution”.

The activists have already circled a number of Senate Democrats who have failed to meet their standards, including vulnerable and increasingly rare red-state Democrats, such as Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota. Both Democrats are up for re-election in 2018.

“The Democratic party establishment wants the support of the Tea Party of the left but they don’t want to earn it,” Shahid said, alluding to the 2010 movement that mobilized rightwing activists, confronted moderate Republicans and helped the party take control of the House in a wave.

“They say they love the grassroots activism, but they don’t want to take the next step and challenge the Democratic leadership.”

Their demands puts leaders such as Schumer in a bind. Shut out of power in Washington, public shows of support are arguably his party’s most powerful weapon, but he must also worry about the lawmakers in his caucus facing elections in states where Trump won.

Democrats must defend 23 Senate seats in the 2018 election cycle, 10 from states that Trump won in November. Already, outside groups have targeted these vulnerable red-state Democrats to try to soften their opposition to Trump’s nominees for the cabinet and supreme court.

“The activists threatening to primary Democratic candidates live in a bubble,” said Jim Kessler, a former Schumer aide and co-founder of a centrist thinktank, Third Way. “They have no idea how to win in places that aren’t sky blue already.”

Kessler believes the path back to power will require the Big Tent party to grow geographically, and not just move sharply to the left with its demands. In his view, red-state Democrats are an endangered species worth protecting – not threatening.

The activists’ campaign says its goal is not necessarily to primary the candidates and that the threat “becomes a tool that successfully pushes Democrats to fight Trump harder”.

Blanket obstructionism has proven to be a tall order – even for progressive politicians from safely Democratic states. Senator Elizabeth Warren, a progressive favorite from Massachusetts, has already been forced to defend her vote for Ben Carson for secretary of housing and urban development.

A number of activists who support using this tactic agreed that the real test will be the supreme court battle. Senate Democrats have the ability to filibuster Trump’s nominee, Neil Gorsuch, meaning that Republicans need to earn support from at least eight Democrats to confirm Gorsuch – unless the controlling party changes the rules.

“This nominee cannot be allowed to ever take the oath of office. It just cannot be allowed to happen,” said Anthony Rogers-Wright, a Seattle-based climate and environmental activist who was a surrogate for the Sanders campaign.

“If any Democrat does not take part in a mass filibuster – they’re disqualified.”

Already, a handful of senators have flatly refused to support Gorsuch, arguing that Republicans “stole” the seat from Barack Obama when they refused, for a record 293 days, to hold a hearing for his nominee, Merrick Garland. But more have said Gorsuch deserves a fair hearing, and that they will wait to hear more about his views and background before making a decision.

  

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16. "me, if they ever put a mic and camera on me"
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18. "Won't work for white dudes. He has to be on film killing an animal "
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Tue Feb-21-17 10:12 AM by Atillah Moor

  

          

and a cute one at that. Or just get caught horribly red handed like Nixon, but these jokers are so corrupt at this point even brazen law breaking would might get a pass.

  

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19. "it would only feed into his "Fake News" agenda....."
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and only discredit valid criticism in his followers eyes.

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20. "every action has a reaction. this is not the way. "
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we're in the weird political space where the tactics used by one side can and is used in a grotesque manner to push an agenda by the other side

its an arms race where the weapons are words and actions.

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21. "There are lots of dems calling him on his bs"
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but none are taking him down. Trump was laughed at by most until he won the election. Every late night host besides Fallon is destroying him nightly to no avail..

If you want someone who isn't political but successful, maybe Mark Cuban is your answer? lol I don't see that working.

Al Franken went from SNL to senator, maybe he can do something, wrote the Big Fat Idiot book on Limbaugh but Limbaugh remained popular with the right...

The dems need someone who is personable, smart but still sounds uneducated or at least like he isn't talking over an uneducated person's head cuz they will get the elitist treatment otherwise. I have no idea who that would be tho..

  

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